Kaunteya Das Part One: ZOMBIES - Useful Metaphors for Neo-smartas:
Zombies, Vampires, Pedophiles, Gynophobiacs & Impersonalists.
I was asked in a recent comment:
"[Y]ou seem to imply here the situation is one of active sabotage rather than latent conditioning overriding Gaudiya values in the psyche of the neosmartas. I myself have just thought the temptation of power and control is enough to lure people that direction, but not that there is some active desire to arrest Mahaprabhu's mission. Can you say more on your assessment of motive?"
Thanks for your question. Let's start from an extreme example. The cultural predecessors of the ISKCON neo-smartas tried to assassinate Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. That wasn't just "latent conditioning"; it was attempted murder or least conspiracy to commit homicide.
We may not expect such drastic attempts from the ISKCON neo-smartas, but it's hard to completely rule out malicious intent in their invasion.
Different people have different levels of conscious awareness of what they are doing and the consequences of their actions.
Let me elaborate through metaphors (neo-smartas out there: these are metaphors, not literal descriptions).
Each "active" neo-smarta may possess, to different degrees, one or more of these traits:
ZOMBIES
Some may be just blind followers, enraptured by the sheer "energy" of the neo-smarta propaganda.
They act and talk like neo-smartas but their situation is comparable to what happens in many zombie movies: once bitten by a zombie, one turns into a zombie.
Zombies (both in the movies and within ISKCON India) could be classified as "innocent" because they don't possess the capacity for ethical or intellectual discrimination.
They are still very dangerous because they are infected and can spread infection, even without being aware of what they are doing.
(Of course, if zombies are offered an antidote and they refuse it, their level of innocence drastically plummets...)
By the presence of enough zombies, some places (and not only in India) have become practically intolerable for sane Gaudiyas.
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I am trying to help the unconscious victims of neo-smarta propaganda by raising awareness about their compromised predicament, but I am hearing that, instead of being grateful, some of the zombies are plotting to attempt some disciplinary action against me.
But I refuse to stop loving them!!!
PADA: "The public image of ISKCON is suffering" -- because of too much smarta-vada, or rigid brahminical ideology. Not what most people see? Most people see ISKCON as -- if anything -- a sort of loose cannon where the leaders are NOT following strict brahmana standards. It looks a lot like a place where the leaders are many times lusty dogs, not strict smartas or brahmanas.
And no one summarizes this better than Jayadvaita swami, who says their gurus might fall down into illicit sex with men, women and possibly children. This has no connection to strict brahmana standards. If anything, the imitation of the smarta standards would help ISKCON immensely, since the smartas do not tolerate illicit behaviors in their leaders and swamis. Any smarta swami who misbehaves is booted out the door and discredited.
Whereas ISKCON swamis are widely known to be sexual predators, if not drug addicts, if not criminals etc. And therefore we have to expose them, just in order to stay alive ourselves for starters, since some of their criminal behavior involves assassinating dissenters. Hence we are forced to go to the police, courts and media for our own protection, just to save our own lives. And without police cover, I'd be dead long ago.
Then again, since a number of their crimes involves orchestrated child molesting, we have a duty to expose that process just as a matter of being a moral human being. And when it comes to loose morals and / or brahmana standards, nowhere in ISKCON has the reputation as the worst example of child abuse and sexual exploiting of minors -- than your home base -- Mayapur.
As for the "neo-smarta" ISKCON ICC, they support Lokanath, who is another molester posing as a guru. How is that connected to the smartas? You are posing more questions than answers. And you are insulting the smartas by comparing them to the ICC's pedophile worshipers. The smartas do not worship illicit sex with men, women and children as their acharyas, plain and simple.
His Grace Kaunteya Prabhu Born in Rome, Italy, in 1963, he joined ISKCON in May 1980. After years of full-time book distribution, he moved to India, where he has been based for thirty years and where he served, among other things, as Gurukula teacher in Mayapur (teaching Bhakti-sastri, Bhakti-vaibhava, etc.)
PADA: Oddly Kaunteya writes a book "The Eye of the Storm," while living in the actual eye of the storm, Sridham Mayapur, which is famous for all sorts of child abuse, including child beatings and rapes. If you have been living there under the direction of the leader of that regime, Jayapataka swami, then people would want to know -- why you did not challenge the mass molester regime going on there left, right and center, especially since that has been your base of operations.
All of this abuse is going on for 30 years, and you are supposedly there for 30 years, but you did not notice -- there is a problem? But neither did the India ISKCON ICC's folks see the problems there either.
He is also a certified mediator and has practiced conflict resolution in several countries.He has a PhD in Indovedic Psychology and serves as distance-learning professor of Indovedic Philosophy and Psychology at the Bhakti Yoga College (Florida, USA), overseeing students from various continents:
www.centrostudibhaktivedanta.org/en
He authored/compiled the following books on congregational development: the Bhakti-vriksha Manual, the Book of Icebreakers and Super Sunday. He has travelled to dozens of countries, often more than once, presenting seminars and workshops on principles and ideas for building vibrant Vaisnava communities. www.iskconcongregation.com
At present he is serving as Co-Minister with HH Jayapataka Maharaja, his diksa-guru of the ISKCON Congregational Development Ministry,Co-Chairman with HG Gopal Bhatta Prabhu of the GBC Organizational Development Committee, Trustee and faculty member of the GBC College for Leadership Development (www.gbc-college.com) Member of the GBC Strategic Planning Team and Strategic Planning Committee for Mayapur.
PADA: Ok you are worshiping the leader of the Mayapura molester messiah's movement, and living there with him. And that is where there are many reports of severe abuse going on. And you are there at the scene of the crimes. And what have you done to fix the mess in Mayapur? I know, you are worshiping the leaders of the mess. Or so it seems.
We got Jayapataka to take karma from 50,000 people.
We almost finished him off already.
Our work is nearly complete.
There are also reports that you were notified of various problems and abuses, and you just pushed them off as insignificant. In other words, how could you be in the eye of the storm, and be a ring leader of the storm troopers, and not be implicated in all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and assassinations that emanate from Jayapataka's domain.
Meanwhile you have not explained how a conditioned soul like Jayapataka can be another Jesus and absorb the sins of 50,000 people, especially when he is the ring leader of the molester messiah's project. You keep asking people to challenge your views and you will respond, well we have been doing that since 1978. When are you guys going to respond? ys pd
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GG: I was told by a victim that Kaunteya was one of the people who personally hurt children in Mayapur. He is one of their gang members, and he covers for other abusers there for decades. Don't expect any good to come from this person, he is one of the wolves who is helping them eat up the helpless sheeps.
He ignores complaints, while posing as the complaints department. In short, he is one of their topmost covering up apologists. None of the mass abuses in Mayapur could have happened without help from these sycophants and hangers on.
Jayapataka uses him as the Joeseph Goebbels of Mayapura, to cover up the gulag camps for children. He needs to explain himself, but he never does for decades. Now he is blaming the smarta community for ISKCON's problems, while he is worse than them, they do not tolerate sex predator swamis and leaders.
Mayapur has had child abusers going on there for decades, and he has been right there with them ... acting as their assistants and apologists. And then he says the children are just getting their karma. He is one of the generals at Auschwitz for kids.
Hare Krishna Kaunteya Prabhu,
Please accept my obeisance; all glories to Srila Prabhupada
I write to you today after reading your interview published yesterday on the blog of Matsyavatara prabhu. I was slightly irritated by your skewed presentation and attempt to mitigate for Matsyavatara's mistakes. I find your disregard for the suffering many devotees experienced in those years to be distasteful; but what aggravated me the most were your words when you said that in the Gurukula there was a familial atmosphere and where you state that the ideals followed with sincerity were "Vedic and Prabhupadanuga".
Although it is true that during the time when Matsyavatara prabhu was the president of Villa Vrindavana the children in the Gurukula were not savagely raped and beaten to the degree experienced by the children in Vrindavana and Mayapur, as you state, some of the children were sexually abused and many were regularly subjected to inhumane beatings. The ones that used to wet their bed were made to sleep in their urine, night after night. Others were locked up in dark rooms, deprived of food, psychologically traumatised and otherwise abused; one of the teachers broke my elbow with a kick when I was about nine years old.
I wish to remind you also that I was one of the children who had the misfortune to have you as my teacher; I remember how, on several occasions, subsequent to your outbursts of anger you would beat and manhandle in an unjustifiable manner me and the other children. You would then explain to us how this was due to our karma.
Given the above, the tone and content of your interview, especially your direct references to the gurukula, is inappropriate and outright offensive. I find your attempts to negate and minimize the suffering endured by the children of the Villa Vrindavava Gurukula and Matsyavatara's responsibility in this regard, as the president of the temple, to be repugnant.
I have no desire to seek revenge or have you punished, I do not even want your apologies, but I request that you withdraw your interview from the blog of Matsyavatara prabhu immediately.
Trusting in a speedy and amicable resolution,
Hare Krsna
SD
Hare Krishna Kaunteya Prabhu,
Please accept my obeisance; all glories to Srila Prabhupada
I write to you today after reading your interview published yesterday on the blog of Matsyavatara prabhu. I was slightly irritated by your skewed presentation and attempt to mitigate for Matsyavatara's mistakes. I find your disregard for the suffering many devotees experienced in those years to be distasteful; but what aggravated me the most were your words when you said that in the Gurukula there was a familial atmosphere and where you state that the ideals followed with sincerity were "Vedic and Prabhupadanuga".
Although it is true that during the time when Matsyavatara prabhu was the president of Villa Vrindavana the children in the Gurukula were not savagely raped and beaten to the degree experienced by the children in Vrindavana and Mayapur, as you state, some of the children were sexually abused and many were regularly subjected to inhumane beatings. The ones that used to wet their bed were made to sleep in their urine, night after night. Others were locked up in dark rooms, deprived of food, psychologically traumatised and otherwise abused; one of the teachers broke my elbow with a kick when I was about nine years old.
I wish to remind you also that I was one of the children who had the misfortune to have you as my teacher; I remember how, on several occasions, subsequent to your outbursts of anger you would beat and manhandle in an unjustifiable manner me and the other children. You would then explain to us how this was due to our karma.
Given the above, the tone and content of your interview, especially your direct references to the gurukula, is inappropriate and outright offensive. I find your attempts to negate and minimize the suffering endured by the children of the Villa Vrindavava Gurukula and Matsyavatara's responsibility in this regard, as the president of the temple, to be repugnant.
I have no desire to seek revenge or have you punished, I do not even want your apologies, but I request that you withdraw your interview from the blog of Matsyavatara prabhu immediately.
Trusting in a speedy and amicable resolution,
Hare Krsna
SD
M Dasi: Really? We have to fight ... Zombies, Vampires, Pedophiles, Gynophobiacs & Impersonalists. Isn't that a perfect description of the Mayapur management team. Almost no one likes the way Mayapur has been doing things, and for decades. And Kaunteya is one of the leaders there. He is steering the steering committees.
ReplyDeleteIt is interesting ... the ICC pedophile group is now attacking the Mayapur pedophile group. And in the middle of all that smoke and mirrors ... they want to add women gurus ... a conversation diversion. More smoke and mirrors to confuse the ... zombies.
Really another smokescreen ... so they can make it look like they are really coming down on deviations ... when they are the leaders of the deviations. The fireman who starts fires ... so he can be the hero ... who is putting them out. They started all these problems ... and now they are the ones who will fix all of them. Me thinks ... not going to happen.
The general in charge of Auschwitz ... should never be in charge of the memorial plaque ceremony for the victims. They just do not realize how bad all this looks. And that is because ... they are brain dead zombies. And now Kaunteya says ... real roots of the problem is ... Srila Prabhupada's defective statements. Another smoke and mirrors attempt to divert from their culps.
I cannot tell a lie! Someone else caused all this ... I am innocent. But you are the person who directed the storm ... from the eye of the storm. They might fool some zombies ... but not me.
Smarty-a** brahmanas, the whole lot. And that is why Srila Prabhupada says ... bogus brahmanas become brahmana rakshasa ghosts. And guess what ... they will come after your kids.
LD: M Dasi is right. Smokescreen. Making lots of sense here. The India ICC people are brain dead zombies ... because they follow ghostly haunted brain dead acharyas ... like Bhakti Vikas swami and Lokanath swami. Where is the love among residents of Vaikuntha ... when they are calling each other's followers brain dead smarta zombies.
ReplyDeleteFace it, many of these ISKCON gurus often hate each other guts and hope the other guru dies and goes to hell. Bunch of retard zombies that they are!
Whereas ... the Kaunteya Mayapur gang is Vaikuntha authorized ... because they are ... at this stage ... perhaps most hated and reviled child molesting camp in maybe ... all of ISKCON. And bringing Jayapataka to Los Angeles shows ... they have no feelings, no remorse even, since some of the victims there are dead. And many others simply wish they were dead.
And some of the people reading accounts of Mayapur's pastimes with children are reported vomiting, crying, and saying they can only read small sections of the children's horror show there at a time ... because it is too hard to digest. And Kaunteya is one of the top admins there ... and is said to have treated children with cruelty himself.
And because the Mayapur gang are known as the topmost child horror story program ... that makes them the REAL non-smarta people. WTF? And so let us make sure everyone goes and watches another movie ... so they won't be too upset with our child horror movie.
Let us start another cinema show called ... women diksha gurus. Then all the brain dead zombies will grab their pop corn and move over to see that show ... hopefully forgetting the horror show going on somewhere else. It is simply another smokescreen to hide the real horror show that they have had going on ... for decades.
And now they are blaming Srila Prabhupada as the eye of the storm .. when the sh*t storm is coming from ... them. It is called projection. I try to pin my faults on others so ... people won't notice my faults. Very sad that they will even project their faults on Srila Prabhupada. He did not make this mess and neither did Krishna ... you did. Man up and take responsibility for yourselves.
And now that they loaded up Jayapataka with sins from 50,000 people, and he is nearly dead, they send him to Los Angeles, to ... take more sins. They are trying to finish him off ... themselves. They made a stout and strong young man into Jabba the Hutt ... and they keep piling more sins onto him ... to what end? Another problem that skips by Kaunteya?
JD: ISKCON's ICC ban is as important as a pile of manure:
ReplyDeleteKaunteya Das
Thank you for your questions.
1. "Would like to read your reaction towards ICC ban of your grace on your new book?"
Procedurally and technically the ban has no moral, legal or institutional value - as I was never given a chance to defend myself and as they never explained what they don't like about the book.
2. "Also, if you feel like that ICC has taken a wrong decision, have you done anything to reverse it?"
No. First of all, the ban hardly affects my life as lecturing in Indian temples was a minuscule percentage of my devotional service.
Second, given their draconian attitude I would rather spend the time and energy required (for pursuing a reversal of the decision) for something else. Thank God I have enough services even without speaking in Indian temples.
3. "Are you currently following ICC's ban and restricted yourself from visiting ISKCON temples in India?"
The ban is only on lecturing in temples, not on visiting. I could go in more details but I am trying to keep the answer somewhat brief.
SD Dasi: People who are living in Mayapur are not really understanding the bigger world. They tend to discuss the local issue ... and not really concern themselves with us rabble. It is possible Kaunteya has no idea how badly their program looks to many outsiders.
ReplyDeleteMy experience is ... the people there are very backwards on the ISKCON mish-mash. That does not excuse ignorance though. Kaunteya may know there is a lot of cr*p coming down the pipeline now. Someone has to be blamed for this cr*p storm.
He is trying to blame Srila Prabhupada? It is not going well for him, people are just calling him bad names now. I see him as part victim and part evil doer. He may have had some sincere desires at the start ... then got sucked into the Mayapur machine. And he stayed with it ... not knowing how it is crumbling down in the outside world.
I just thank Krishna that I was not born in that area and I would have to depend on them to get my understanding ... of anything. Or if I was born there and realized how bad it really is ... I would rather die than stay there in that association. I do not think Kaunteya has any idea how offensive it is to operate a child molesting camp in the dham ... and how offensive it is to be in that association.
No amount of bathing in the Ganges is going to clean that off. In the end ... we might have excused him to some extent for being in ignorance for some time. But if he does not know by now what the problem is ... I would call that willful ignorance. A lot of their people are scrambling now ... they know the gates are closing.
And as the gates here are closing ... the gates of hell are opening for anyone connected to abusing children in the dham program. Like I said ... I would rather die than have to be in that association. Blaming Prabhupada is simply going to open the gates to hell more ... and for all the people in Mayapur who are supporting Kaunteya's idea. Krishna saved me from being in their company ... for which I thank Him every day.