[PADA: I know Manjuali and she is such a sweet person. I also know she suffered a lot of grief when her husband became "His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja." And then Jayatirtha was kicking us Prabhupada devotees out of ISKCON left, right and center to make way for his "peace Krishnas" sex and Timothy Leary-ized drug cult.
Jayatirtha eventually had his head whacked off by a disgruntled disciple, which means, he is the most advanced out of the bogus 11 gurus. He was able to stop his sinful life so he would not go deeper and deeper into the hellish planets. So his offenses were minimized by Krishna's arrangement.
Srila Prabhupada said one of his Godbrothers was supporting the false gurus after 1936, and so he was killed by Krishna shortly after that. And Srila Prabhupada said "he was the most advanced of the lot, he was killed by Krishna to stop his offenses." So that means, we have to give a lot of credit to Jayatirtha, he was at least more advanced than the rest of the lot.
Anyway! Lots of really bad stuff was going down. Jayatirtha kicked me out and he told me at the end "you better watch your back." In other words, Jayatirtha was telling me he could have me treated with violence if I continued to object. So he was motivated for personal profit, distinction and adoration. He also told someone "ISKCON is my men, my money and my buildings." I, me and mine ki jaya!
So Manjuali ended up working an outside job and leaving ISKCON. In other words, Jayatirtha built a house that even he and his family could not live in. He started his own house on fire and everyone had to leave, including his wife, his God brothers, and even -- himself. Anyway, Manjuali still has faith in Krishna it seems, so check out what she has to say. ys pd
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CW: If these people like Jayatirtha would toss Manjuali under the bus to make himself a bigger guru and authority, he would toss anyone else under the bus, including all the rest of us. That is also why he tossed all the gurukulis under the bus too. Everyone else has to suffer so he could make a nice situation for -- himself. Jayatirtha will destroy a nice person like Manjuali, not to speak of destroying anyone else. A heart full of stones and rocks. Zero Krishna.
Jayatirtha was busy promoting Jayatirtha ... and he had to stomp on the heads of anyone who interfered. He must have knew these other gurus are homosexuals and predators -- so what? He just tossed the children into their mouths to be devoured.
I know, because some of these former children are my friends. After he left, UK went bankrupted, and there were rats and roaches in the manor. He left Krishna in a pile of rats, and the children in a pile of molesters, all so he could build his own empire.
I am glad he is not here, he needed to stop ruining everyone else's life just so he could have sex and take drugs. He wanted Krishna to live in a rat's pile, which is where Krishna will put him. Jayatirtha will be the person living in the rat's pile -- and Krishna will go on without him. And so will we.
He told someone "the other GBC made me be a guru and take sannyasa." No really ... you wanted to be guru and you had no authority to follow these fools. We do not follow them, and you do not have to either. Lame excuse.
This is also described here:
"In an attempt to gain relief from the disturbances of material existence, he falls victim to so-called yogīs, sādhus and incarnations who can display some magic but who do not understand devotional service."
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"Sometimes the conditioned soul tries to save himself from inexorable time and thus takes shelter of some bogus savior. Unfortunately. the bogus savior cannot even save himself. How, then. can he protect others? The bogus saviors do not care for bona fide knowledge received from qualified brāhmaṇas and Vedic sources."
Srila Prabhupada Srimad-Bhagavatam > Canto 5: "The Creative Impetus" > SB 5.14 > SB 5.14 Summary
"...if he is at all eager to be relieved of the struggle for existence, he must find a bona fide guru and take instructions at his lotus feet. In this way he can get out of the struggle."
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"The human form is an opportunity to take shelter of the bona fide spiritual master and, through him, the Supreme Lord. This Kṛṣṇaconsciousness movement has been started to give an opportunity to all the members of human society, who are misled by foolish leaders. No one can get out of this struggle for existence, which is full of miseries, without accepting a pure devotee of the Lord. The material attempt changes from one position to another, and no one actually gains relief from the struggle for existence. The only resort is the lotus feet of a bona fide spiritual master, and, through him, the lotus feet of the Lord."
Srila Prabhupada Srimad-Bhagavatam > Canto 5: "The Creative Impetus" > SB 5.14 > SB 5.14.1
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Many Moons Podcast Episode 10:
‘Lessons from 50 Years of Service’ with MANJUALI Devi Dasi (ACBSP)
Join us as we explore a unique journey of 50 years of devotional service. Manjuali Devi Dasi will take us down the memory lane of how it all began in 1971, when she first met the devotees and Srila Prabhupada. She will share how she has since had to overcome various trials and tribulations to remain on the path of bhakti yoga for the past 50 years.
We will explore practices and tools to help us strengthen our bhakti including: establishing a firm daily practice; integrating bhakti into our daily lives; the role of sadhu sangha; and cultivating and deepening our relationship with guru and Krishna.
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SPEAKER: Manjuali Devi Dasi began practicing Bhakti Yoga in 1971. She was initiated by Srila Prabhupada in May 1972 in Los Angeles. She and her late husband Jayatirtha das were sent to England to manage the Krishna Temple in 1976 by their teacher.
Manjuali worked for many years as a Media Librarian for The Times of London. Later, Manjuali moved to the southwest of the UK, and worked in the field of Psychotherapy and Counseling for an educational awarding body, producing training films and other educational material. Manjuali is a Bhakti practitioner and active in interfaith dialogue, environmental and social causes in her community.
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Wednesday 6th July
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PADA: Notice all the "trauma workshops" that are manifesting around ISKCON. Fine, but does not explain, "who or whom caused all this trauma"? We are still worshiping the people who caused the trauma, while allegedly curing the trauma? Hee hee, this is total bogus-ness. We have to remove the cause of the trauma before we can cure it. ys pd
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PADA: Thanks for the question K dasi. Yes, Jayatirtha later wrote a booklet "Notes From a Pilgrim" wherein he complains about the other gurus. In other words, he is saying all the other gurus are bogus, except himself. So he knew that going in, none of them are qualified to be gurus. He knew this whole thing was a scam the whole while.
ReplyDeleteAnd in the booklet he says everyone is leaving by voting with their feet. No, they are being booted out, just like he boots people out. People who are being forced to walk the plank off the ship by the pirates are not voting for anything, they are being forcibly removed. He could not even tell the truth at that stage. Anyway, BR Sridhara Maharaja kept telling him to stay in the guru post, and that is why his head was eventually removed, Sridhara lead him to further ruination, and even -- death. ys pd
PADA: Yep KD, I was in UK and Bhakti Vikas swami, Danavir, Vipramukhya and others were also in England and they all opposed my protest. I agree, it does look like they had to get rid of the sweet hearted devotees. like Manjuali, so they could bring in the sexual perverts, molesters, predators, child beaters etc.
ReplyDeleteThe good milk was replaced with bad poisoned water, and eventually the milk was gone or contaminated, and that explains the subsequent deterioration, child abuses, beatings, murders etc. Yep, it does look like this was well planned to end up like this, it was too coordinated. Agreed. ys pd
M Dasi: This is horrible. They remove most of the nice, sweet and humble devotees, and replace them with their arrogant misogynists, molesters and criminals. Then they wonder what went wrong.
ReplyDeleteEverything went wrong. To start with ... removing even one sincere devotee is a severe aparadha and offense to Krishna. Krishna will never be happy to see even one of His sincere devotees being ram-rodded out the door. But they already know that ... they don't care what Krishna thinks.
On top of that ... what about harassing and attacking ... a sweet and humble woman? Any woman. Another severe aparadha in Vedic culture. Women are supposed to be protected and not driven out the door ... and forced back to the material world. Very sinful. It just keeps piling up ... one aparadha on top of the next.
Now all the victims are starting to compare notes. No wonder ICC people took their names off their site. They are ashamed of what they are doing. But not ashamed enough to make real changes ... because that is their bread and butter source of income.
It is like the cigarette companies in the 1960s. The directors were trying to be taking their names off public ... hiding ... because they were ashamed of their company result ... making people sick and die.
Did they stop selling cigarettes? No way ... that is their bread and butter retirements funds. Thank goodness Manjuali is even around ... she is a survivor of their ship wreck. I wish her all the best ... we all know what she went through around here ... same things they did to us here. Same misogynist and arrogant people brought in ... sincere people chased off. Ditto what they do all over. It is a club.
LW: Manjuali showed everyone by example. When your religion turns into a drug taking guru ... even pedophile worship ... cult, leave the premises. Don't support it. Otherwise, you'll become contaminated by the offenses.
ReplyDeleteShe is a smart girl. She knew that she could not be seen as a supporter of all these aparadhis and offenders. I don't know her, but l like her already. She got a job and lived a separated and honest life.
That is what everyone should have done. Stopped supporting these rascals and asuras who want to see ISKCON, the devotees, and especially the children ruined and destroyed and Krishna living in a rat hole. They wanted to destroy her just like they destroy everything else and everyone else in their path. They are a misogynistic and pro-sexual predator cult, which treats women and children viciously, and they are nothing more than that.
Leave town, dry up their support ... if that is your only option. That is way better than hanging on to be their supportive handlers and care takers. Then you become part of their offense association.
All of these 11 ended up badly ... either they fell down, got sick, went insane, or died. Krishna's way of mopping up the mess they made. Much more mopping up will be done by Krishna as this offensive mess goes along, Krishna is not happy with any of them. They wanted to destroy the life of this poor and very humble devotee woman. They are heartless rats and that is their future birth.