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29 September 2023
Note: this is EXPOSING Uttamasloka das(ex-TP Chicago temple) who is a follower and supporter of Rupanuga das:
Uttamasloka das: Another point regarding diksa. Nowhere in sastra or the books of the previous acaryas does it state that only fully realized jivas are qualified to give the diksa mantras. That is another concocted misconception.
PADA: Yep, Uttamasloka, Rupanuga and others -- thinks that conditioned souls can absorb the sins of other conditioned souls. And let us look at some of the results of their idea:
Yep. The Gaudiya Matha folks, GBC, Rupanuga, Uttamasloka etc. think that conditioned souls can act as parampara acharyas, and absorb sins like Jesus etc. And yet Srila Prabhupada says -- when a conditioned soul takes sins as a guru, he takes birth as a snake, the disciples take birth as ants, and the snake goes over the ant hill and it eaten alive by the ants. And that is the process we should endorse? Well yeah, if we want to send these gurus and their disciples to hell.
No, a conditioned soul cannot act as aacharya. How do we not know that by now? Even Bhakti Vikas swami says the GBC's gurus are "crashing like jumbo jets," because they destroy thousands of people along with them when they go down. Why do we keep insisting this is the right path forward, when "crashing like jumbo jets," is not something any normal person would encourage?
Telling conditioned souls to take sins -- is actually hurting if not killing them materially and spiritually. And it is misleading / cheating their followers, which is also hurting them materially and spiritually.
Mahesh: WRONG! If one is NOT realized bona fide(Maha Bhagavata) guru his mantra has NO effect. Bonafide REALIZED Acarya Srila Prabhupada actually gives the mantra thru the Ritvik System July 9th 1977. Srila Prabhupada’s Current Diksa Guru position is NOT for REPLACEMENT:
Devotee (3): In regard to worshiping arcā-vigraha form, you have explained that if one receives a mantra from a spiritual master who is not bona fide, that mantra has no effect. So I would like to ask if one is worshiping a Deity AND HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER IS NOT BONA FIDE, so that Deity cannot be considered the Supreme Lord?
Prabhupāda: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THING IS IF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS NOT BONA FIDE, HOW HIS MANTRA CAN BE BONA FIDE? YOUR STATEMENT IS CONTRADICTORY. IF YOU SAY THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS NOT BONA FIDE, THEN HOW HIS MANTRA BECOMES BONA FIDE? IF HE IS BONA FIDE, THEN HIS MANTRA IS BONA FIDE.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/sb/6/1/41-42/surat/december/23/1970
PADA: True. Of course many people write to PADA to claim that the ISKCON GBC's guru system is infested with homosexual's and / or pedophile's "seed" of consciousness [the beej -- or seed -- of consciousness] and they are spreading that "beej" around the society. Hence, all sorts of deviants, predators, abusers and / or their apologists keep manifesting. Yes, you become what you worship. Instead of the bhakti rasa beej, are people getting the sexual predator beej instead? And would this explain the rampant molesting going on left, right and center all over the place in ISKCON?
Note: those who are materialistic bogus GBC manufactured gurus can NOT give proper mantras.
PADA: And Urmila just recently pointed out that various GBC gurus are not even giving the standard ISKCON mantras. They are changing the system.
Antya 3.59 T The Glories of Srila Haridasa Thakura
namera aksara-sabera ei ta’ svabhava
vyavahita haile na chade apana-prabhava
SYNONYMS
namera–of the holy name; aksara–letters; sabera–of all; ei–this; ta’–certainly; sva-bhava–the characteristic; vyavahita haile–even when improperly uttered; na–do not; chade–give up; apana-prabhava–their own spiritual influence.
TRANSLATION
“The letters of the holy name have so much spiritual potency that they act even when uttered improperly.
PURPORT
SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKURA STATES THAT THE WORD VYAVAHITA (“IMPROPERLY UTTERED”) IS NOT USED HERE TO REFER TO THE MUNDANE VIBRATION OF THE LETTERS OF THE ALPHABET. SUCH NEGLIGENT UTTERANCE FOR THE SENSE GRATIFICATION OF MATERIALISTIC PERSONS IS NOT A VIBRATION OF TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND.
Mahesh: WRONG! If one is NOT realized bona fide(Maha Bhagavata) guru his mantra has NO effect. Bonafide REALIZED Acarya Srila Prabhupada actually gives the mantra thru the Ritvik System July 9th 1977. Srila Prabhupada’s Current Diksa Guru position is NOT for REPLACEMENT:
Devotee (3): In regard to worshiping arcā-vigraha form, you have explained that if one receives a mantra from a spiritual master who is not bona fide, that mantra has no effect. So I would like to ask if one is worshiping a Deity AND HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER IS NOT BONA FIDE, so that Deity cannot be considered the Supreme Lord?
Prabhupāda: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THING IS IF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS NOT BONA FIDE, HOW HIS MANTRA CAN BE BONA FIDE? YOUR STATEMENT IS CONTRADICTORY. IF YOU SAY THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS NOT BONA FIDE, THEN HOW HIS MANTRA BECOMES BONA FIDE? IF HE IS BONA FIDE, THEN HIS MANTRA IS BONA FIDE.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/sb/6/1/41-42/surat/december/23/1970
PADA: True. Of course many people write to PADA to claim that the ISKCON GBC's guru system is infested with homosexual's and / or pedophile's "seed" of consciousness [the beej -- or seed -- of consciousness] and they are spreading that "beej" around the society. Hence, all sorts of deviants, predators, abusers and / or their apologists keep manifesting. Yes, you become what you worship. Instead of the bhakti rasa beej, are people getting the sexual predator beej instead? And would this explain the rampant molesting going on left, right and center all over the place in ISKCON?
Note: those who are materialistic bogus GBC manufactured gurus can NOT give proper mantras.
PADA: And Urmila just recently pointed out that various GBC gurus are not even giving the standard ISKCON mantras. They are changing the system.
Antya 3.59 T The Glories of Srila Haridasa Thakura
namera aksara-sabera ei ta’ svabhava
vyavahita haile na chade apana-prabhava
SYNONYMS
namera–of the holy name; aksara–letters; sabera–of all; ei–this; ta’–certainly; sva-bhava–the characteristic; vyavahita haile–even when improperly uttered; na–do not; chade–give up; apana-prabhava–their own spiritual influence.
TRANSLATION
“The letters of the holy name have so much spiritual potency that they act even when uttered improperly.
PURPORT
SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKURA STATES THAT THE WORD VYAVAHITA (“IMPROPERLY UTTERED”) IS NOT USED HERE TO REFER TO THE MUNDANE VIBRATION OF THE LETTERS OF THE ALPHABET. SUCH NEGLIGENT UTTERANCE FOR THE SENSE GRATIFICATION OF MATERIALISTIC PERSONS IS NOT A VIBRATION OF TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND.
Utterance of the holy name while one engages in sense gratification is an impediment on the path toward achieving ecstatic love for Krsna. On the other hand, if one who is eager for devotional service utters the holy name even partially or improperly, the holy name, who is identical with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, exhibits its spiritual potency because of that person’s offenseless utterance. Thus one is relieved from all unwanted practices, and one gradually awakens his dormant love for Krsna.
PADA: Yep. People keep telling me the leaders are chanting and preaching. OK but if they are motivated for material position and etc. they are not going forward. And that is why Satsvarupa writes: "the more I chant, the drier it gets." And Ravindra Swarupa complains that he has basically become a pencil bureaucratic manager -- with no bliss.
PADA: Yep. People keep telling me the leaders are chanting and preaching. OK but if they are motivated for material position and etc. they are not going forward. And that is why Satsvarupa writes: "the more I chant, the drier it gets." And Ravindra Swarupa complains that he has basically become a pencil bureaucratic manager -- with no bliss.
Note: Mundane manufactured sound has no potency, and as such, SEEMINGLY TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND RECEIVED FROM AN UNAUTHORIZED PERSON ALSO HAS NO POTENCY
April 23 1972. lecture
One has to receive the transcendental sound from the right source and accept it as a reality and prosecute the direction without any hesitation, AND THE SECRET OF SUCCESS IS TO RECEIVE THE SOUND FROM THE RIGHT SOURCE OF A BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER. Mundane manufactured sound has no potency, and AS SUCH, SEEMINGLY TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND RECEIVED FROM AN UNAUTHORIZED PERSON ALSO HAS NO POTENCY.
One should be qualified enough to discern such transcendental potency, and either by discriminating or by fortunate chance, IF ONE IS ABLE TO RECEIVE THE TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND FROM A BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS PATH OF LIBERATION IS GUARANTEED. The disciple, however, must be ready to execute the order of the bona fide spiritual master, as Lord Brahmā executed the instruction of his spiritual master, the Lord Himself. Following the order of the bona fide spiritual master is the only duty of the disciple, and this completely faithful execution of the order of the bona fide spiritual master is the secret of success.
Uttamasloka das: The next point is that siksa is the most important part of a guru’s responsibilities – not diksa. Thus, Srila Prabhupada’s books – vani – are his legacy and therein lies his continuing potency to assist and guide anyone in their endeavor.
Mahesh: Both are important – Siksa LEADS to Diksa, not the formality Initiation, but actual knowledge of Svarup Siddhi -- which is the further stage of the Diksa, at advanced Madhyama stage, which is necessary. Otherwise where is the question of having attaining loving mellows? See further:
Diksa Given to Madhyama-adhikari is Not a Formality
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=844
Note: Diksa is illustrated graphically here Vasudeva was on Suddha sattva platform this is why from him Krsna is transferred to Devaki
SB 10.2.18 Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Krsna in the Womb:
Thereafter, accompanied by plenary expansions, the fully opulent Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is all-auspicious for the entire universe, was transferred from the mind of Vasudeva to the mind of Devaki. Devaki, having thus been initiated by Vasudeva, became beautiful by carrying Lord Krsna, the original consciousness for everyone, the cause of all causes, within the core of her heart, just as the east becomes beautiful by carrying the rising moon.
PURPORT: As indicated here by the word manastah, the Supreme Personality of Godhead was transferred from the core of Vasudeva’s mind or heart to the core of the heart of Devaki.
Uttamasloka das: The next point is that siksa is the most important part of a guru’s responsibilities – not diksa. Thus, Srila Prabhupada’s books – vani – are his legacy and therein lies his continuing potency to assist and guide anyone in their endeavor.
Mahesh: Both are important – Siksa LEADS to Diksa, not the formality Initiation, but actual knowledge of Svarup Siddhi -- which is the further stage of the Diksa, at advanced Madhyama stage, which is necessary. Otherwise where is the question of having attaining loving mellows? See further:
Diksa Given to Madhyama-adhikari is Not a Formality
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=844
Note: Diksa is illustrated graphically here Vasudeva was on Suddha sattva platform this is why from him Krsna is transferred to Devaki
SB 10.2.18 Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Krsna in the Womb:
Thereafter, accompanied by plenary expansions, the fully opulent Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is all-auspicious for the entire universe, was transferred from the mind of Vasudeva to the mind of Devaki. Devaki, having thus been initiated by Vasudeva, became beautiful by carrying Lord Krsna, the original consciousness for everyone, the cause of all causes, within the core of her heart, just as the east becomes beautiful by carrying the rising moon.
PURPORT: As indicated here by the word manastah, the Supreme Personality of Godhead was transferred from the core of Vasudeva’s mind or heart to the core of the heart of Devaki.
We should note carefully that the Lord was transferred to Devaki not by the ordinary way for a human being, BUT BY DIKSA, INITIATION. Thus the IMPORTANCE OF INITIATION IS MENTIONED HERE. UNLESS ONE IS INITIATED BY THE RIGHT PERSON, WHO ALWAYS CARRIES WITHIN HIS HEART THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, ONE CANNOT ACQUIRE THE POWER TO CARRY THE SUPREME GODHEAD WITHIN THE CORE OF ONE’S OWN HEART.
Note: Ist and 2nd Initations were formalities but the above DIKSA is NOT formality. THIS is WHY Ritvik Initiation July 9th 1977 “on behalf of” Srila Prabhupada the actual Initator.
Uttamasloka das quoted:
CC Adi 1.47
There is no difference between the shelter-giving Supreme Lord and the initiating and instructing spiritual masters. If one foolishly discriminates between them, he commits an offense in the discharge of devotional service.
Mahesh: Likewise, also— it is best to understand that not all those who are speaking of Krsna wearing a saffron dhoti, tilak etc are instructing or initiating spiritual masters either:
760628bj.nv Conversations
Pusta Krsna: Some of them will say some things that Krsna says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
Prabhupada: HE’S MOST DANGEROUS. HE’S MOST DANGEROUS. HE IS OPPORTUNIST. He’s finding out customer, something here… According to the customer he is giving something, as the customers will be pleased. So he is not guru.
740713mw.la Conversations
Prabhupada: Then you can get rid of maya’s tricks. OTHERWISE, YOU MAY DRESS YOURSELF LIKE ANYTHING, BUT YOU ARE SIMPLY MAYA’S SERVANT. BHAKTIVINODA THAKURA HAS SUNG ONE… EI OTA KALIR CHELA: “HERE IS ANOTHER DISCIPLE OF KALI.” NAKE TILAKA GALAI MALA. “HE HAS GOT TILAKA ON THE NOSE AND MALA, KANTHI, ALSO.” SAHAJA BHAJANA KACHE MAMU SANGE LANA PARE BHALO: “AND HE’S, HE HAS BECOME A VAISNAVA BY ILLICIT SEX.”
Note: Ist and 2nd Initations were formalities but the above DIKSA is NOT formality. THIS is WHY Ritvik Initiation July 9th 1977 “on behalf of” Srila Prabhupada the actual Initator.
Uttamasloka das quoted:
CC Adi 1.47
There is no difference between the shelter-giving Supreme Lord and the initiating and instructing spiritual masters. If one foolishly discriminates between them, he commits an offense in the discharge of devotional service.
Mahesh: Likewise, also— it is best to understand that not all those who are speaking of Krsna wearing a saffron dhoti, tilak etc are instructing or initiating spiritual masters either:
760628bj.nv Conversations
Pusta Krsna: Some of them will say some things that Krsna says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
Prabhupada: HE’S MOST DANGEROUS. HE’S MOST DANGEROUS. HE IS OPPORTUNIST. He’s finding out customer, something here… According to the customer he is giving something, as the customers will be pleased. So he is not guru.
740713mw.la Conversations
Prabhupada: Then you can get rid of maya’s tricks. OTHERWISE, YOU MAY DRESS YOURSELF LIKE ANYTHING, BUT YOU ARE SIMPLY MAYA’S SERVANT. BHAKTIVINODA THAKURA HAS SUNG ONE… EI OTA KALIR CHELA: “HERE IS ANOTHER DISCIPLE OF KALI.” NAKE TILAKA GALAI MALA. “HE HAS GOT TILAKA ON THE NOSE AND MALA, KANTHI, ALSO.” SAHAJA BHAJANA KACHE MAMU SANGE LANA PARE BHALO: “AND HE’S, HE HAS BECOME A VAISNAVA BY ILLICIT SEX.”
This is stated by Bhaktivinoda Thakura. “Here is a Kali’s chela. He has dressed like a Vaisnava, but he is doing his bhajan with illicit sex.” Sahaje bhajana kache mamu sange lana pare bhalo. You know? There is a class of sahajiyas?
PADA: Yep. Rupanuga and Uttama sloka ilk seem to have produced a society that worships illicit sex with men, women and children as messiahs. OK they created a sahajiya cult.
Note: here is more:
Isopanisad 12
The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service–which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead–one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles.
PADA: Yep. Rupanuga and Uttama sloka ilk seem to have produced a society that worships illicit sex with men, women and children as messiahs. OK they created a sahajiya cult.
Note: here is more:
Isopanisad 12
The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service–which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead–one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles.
BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD.
Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession.
THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION -- ACARYOPASANA -- “ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA” -- and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” INSTEAD, TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS.
THESE ROGUES ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. BECAUSE THERE IS NO RELIGIOUS GOVERNMENT, THEY ESCAPE PUNISHMENT BY THE LAW OF THE STATE. THEY CANNOT, HOWEVER, ESCAPE THE LAW OF THE SUPREME, WHO HAS CLEARLY DECLARED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA THAT ENVIOUS DEMONS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS SHALL BE THROWN INTO THE DARKEST REGIONS OF HELL (BG. 16.19-20).
THESE ROGUES ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. BECAUSE THERE IS NO RELIGIOUS GOVERNMENT, THEY ESCAPE PUNISHMENT BY THE LAW OF THE STATE. THEY CANNOT, HOWEVER, ESCAPE THE LAW OF THE SUPREME, WHO HAS CLEARLY DECLARED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA THAT ENVIOUS DEMONS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS SHALL BE THROWN INTO THE DARKEST REGIONS OF HELL (BG. 16.19-20).
SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
Note: actually these Anti Ritvik people do NOT want Srila Prabhupada. They are ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada’s position as CURRENT DIKSA Guru and his ORDER of the Ritvik System July 9th1977. They want to OCCUPY his Diksa guru position, steal Srila Prabhupada’s disciples, money, and properties. THIS is WHY they TWIST Srila Prabhupada’s words to DUPE the innocent. Very MANIPULATIVE.
Mahesh Raja says:
29. September 2023 at 7:51 pm
Rupanuga das: A madhyam adhikari guru’s business is to be a transparent via media to Srila Prabhupada, the param guru, for the person he initiates. We knew from day one in 1966 that one could not take diksha from a past acharya, e.g. Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur, Srila Prabhupada’s guru, but that one could take siksha from a past acarya.
PADA: Yep, we never trusted these GBC folks from day one. My first encounter with Tamal in India? He was vehemently arguing with Srila Prabhupada that he should be allowed to take sannyasa. Therefore we knew from day one, these people are arrogant and ambitious and are not fit to be worshiped as acharyas.
Note: actually these Anti Ritvik people do NOT want Srila Prabhupada. They are ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada’s position as CURRENT DIKSA Guru and his ORDER of the Ritvik System July 9th1977. They want to OCCUPY his Diksa guru position, steal Srila Prabhupada’s disciples, money, and properties. THIS is WHY they TWIST Srila Prabhupada’s words to DUPE the innocent. Very MANIPULATIVE.
Mahesh Raja says:
29. September 2023 at 7:51 pm
Rupanuga das: A madhyam adhikari guru’s business is to be a transparent via media to Srila Prabhupada, the param guru, for the person he initiates. We knew from day one in 1966 that one could not take diksha from a past acharya, e.g. Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur, Srila Prabhupada’s guru, but that one could take siksha from a past acarya.
PADA: Yep, we never trusted these GBC folks from day one. My first encounter with Tamal in India? He was vehemently arguing with Srila Prabhupada that he should be allowed to take sannyasa. Therefore we knew from day one, these people are arrogant and ambitious and are not fit to be worshiped as acharyas.
They want a position. When Tripurari swami wanted to be a GBC guru, Kirtanananda argued -- we cannot select him as a guru because -- a person who wants to be a guru is materially ambitious. Ummm, yep.
Mahesh: So who is claiming to Jump over to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura? Just look at Rupanuga das’s word jugglery to prop-up bogus wananbe gurus in ISKCON.
PADA: Why should we worship Srila Prabhupada when Rupanuga has a pocketful of deviants, molesters, drunks, drug addicts, porno swamis and pedophiles for your kiddies to worship instead?
Point 1) First of all, Srila Prabhupada does NOT require some via media ISKCON manufactured rubber-stamped GBC conditioned soul Voted-In “madhyama adhikari” for anyone to approach him. Neither did Srila Prabhupada EVER say this his books. Check the Vedabase. It is not there.This is all Rupanuga das’s concocted bluff.
Besides, madhyama adhikari is NOT even Diksa guru. Maha Bhagavata IS the transparent via media Diksa Guru:
PADA: Well yep, pedophiles are not Madhyam Adhikary for starters, hello!
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422
721213BG.AHM
The madhyama-adhikārī should not touch the demons. Because maybe, he may turn again, be demon. Therefore one should be very careful to associate with the demons.
PADA: Rupanuga finds a person who might become a demon, and makes him God's successor. What could go wrong pilgrims?
Point 2)
There is nothing to jump over. Srila Prabhupada IS the CURRENT Acarya the actual Diksa Guru of ISKCON. This issue has already been covered here:
WHEN I Order
BY: MAHESH RAJA
In response to Tamohara Prabhu’s recent article, “Pertinent to the Directives of Srila Prabhupada”, regarding the hybrid gurus you propose, I do not see how that is feasible. Let’s consider the following:
1) From the year 1966 to 1977 Srila Prabhupada did NOT give ANY order to anyone SPECIFICALLY “YOU become guru,” so HOW can you say that they are diksa guru?
IF Srila Prabhupada would have ordered BEFORE 1977 then there would be no point in 1977 of him stating in 1977 WHEN I order.
It was SPECIFICALLY in the year 1977 that Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order” NOT before, so AFTER the year 1977 WHERE is the evidence of THAT order?
Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan:
Prabhupada: “When I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”
“When I order”– NO ORDER WAS GIVEN. On the contrary, the ONLY instruction that followed TWO months AFTER was as per 9th July 1977 Letter, that they were to act in the capacity of Ritvik Representative of Acarya and the disciples initiated would be Srila Prabhupada’s, NOT theirs.
Even Tamal Krsna Gosvami admitted they were conditioned souls and consequently not qualified. (Refer to my previous article, Brief History of Guru Hoax in ISKCON)
2) I have mentioned in my article, “Diksa Given to Madhyam-adhikari is Not a Formality”, the RECEPIENT of DIKSA is Madhyama Adhikari — so how can they give Diksa voted in by conditioned soul fake GBC?
HOW are they BONAFIDE (genuine) if they REQUIRE to be VOTED IN as GURU by a group of conditioned souls?
3) EXACTLY when did Srila Prabhupada EVER state that he has STOPPED giving DIKSA at Madhyama Adhikari stage to the countless generations of devotees still to come? (Refer to my article). When this IS the case, where is the NEED for anyone else to give DIKSA in the presence of OUR BONAFIDE DIKSA Guru Srila Prabhupada?
4) Since the initiator is one throughout (refer to my article), HOW can the conditioned soul guru opportunists VOTED IN by fake GBC give DIKSA?
5) Jumping over either way:
a) WHY should they JUMP OVER the PROMINENT ACARYA Srila Prabhupada bearing in mind GAPS in the Disciplic succession of ACARYAS are acceptable?
b) Nobody can Jump over PROMINENT ACARYA Srila Prabhupada to get diksa from Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura.
Srila Prabhupada’s Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, December 8, 1973, Los Angeles:
“You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT FROM ME. This is called parampara system. YOU CANNOT JUMP OVER TO THE SUPERIOR GURU, NEGLECTING THE NEXT ACARYA, IMMEDIATE NEXT ACARYA.”
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Dayananda, April 12, 1968:
“Regarding parampara system: there is nothing to wonder for big gaps. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system–namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system. We have to pick up the prominent acaryas, and follow from him. There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to.”
6) Since NO ORDER from Srila Prabhupada was EVER given that they ARE Acarya (Uttama Adhikari) HOW can they give DIKSA? I am NOT talking of FORMALITY of initiation.
7) Disciplic SUCCESSION of ACARYAS. Succession means TO SUCCEED that’s dictionary meaning. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saravati Thakura has been SUCCEEDED BY His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada who IS Founder AND ACARYA of ISKCON. HOW are they ACARYA? HOW have they SUCCEEDED Srila Prabhupada? Please see below.
Srila Prabhupada IS the FOUNDER AND ACARYA note the HYPEN in his books. ISKCON Founder-Acarya His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. If it had been only ISKCON founder only there would not be hypen in between. This means Srila Prabhupada IS the CURRENT ACARYA. THIS IS THE CURRENT LINK. NO EXCUSES HERE whatsoever. The meaning is COMPLETELY CLEAR.
In the DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS the LAST name is: 30. Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta. And He is PROMINENT so we ACCEPT HIM.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.29.17:
“In Bhagavad-gita, Thirteenth Chapter, it is clearly stated that one should execute devotional service and advance on the path of spiritual knowledge by accepting the acarya. ACARYOPASANAM: ONE SHOULD WORSHIP AN ACARYA, a spiritual master who knows things as they are. The spiritual master must be in the disciplic succession from Krsna. THE PREDECESSORS OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER ARE HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GREAT-GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER AND SO ON, WHO FORM THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS.”
Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Upendra, February 13, 1968:
“My Guru Maharaja was in the 10th generation from Lord Caitanya. We are 11th from Lord Caitanya. The disciplic sucession is as follows: 1. Sri Krishna, 2. Brahma, 3. Narada, 4. Vyasa, 5. Madhva, 6. Padmanabha, 7. Nrihari, 8. Madhava, 9. Akshobhya, 10. Jayatirtha, 11. Jnanasindhu, 12. Purusottama, 13. Vidyanidhi, 14. Rajendra, 15. Jayadharma, 16. Purusottama, 17. Vyasatirtha, 18. Laksmipati, 19. Madhavendra Puri, 20. Isvara Puri (Advaita, Nityananda) 21. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, 22. (Svarupa, Sanatana) Rupa, 23.(Jiva) Raghunath, 24. Krishna dasa, 25. Narottama, 26. Visvanatha, 27. (Baladeva.) Jagannatha, 28. (Bhaktivinode) Gaura-kisora, 29. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, Sri Barshabhanavidayitadas, 30. Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta.”
8) WHY have this bogus conditioned soul opportunist gurus voted in by fake GBC DENIED Srila Prabhupada as the INITIATOR even though he says VERY clearly:
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Madhudvisa, August 4, 1975: “Regarding Sydney, that the President has left, if one does not follow the regulative principles, then he will leave. That is a fact. Has somebody else been elected? This is the function of the GBC, to see that one may not be taken away by maya. The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM in the INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.”
Srila Prabhupada’s 07-09-77, Letter to All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupad by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of his divine grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.
(SRILA PRABHUPADA’S SIGNATURE APPEARS IN THE ORIGINAL)
7) HOW are these conditioned soul opportunist gurus VOTED IN by fake GBC the Current Link? Please see below.
Srila Prabhupada and his words are on the transcendental platform, therefore his purports to the SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM is the CURRENT LINK. AS LONG AS WE HAVE PRABHUPADA’S PURPORTS TO THE SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE WILL BE OUR CURRENT LINK**THE REAL** MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM ARE***HIS PURPORTS***.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.9.7:
“As already stated, Brahma is the original spiritual master for the universe, and since he was initiated by the Lord Himself, the MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM IS COMING DOWN BY DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION, and in order to receive THE REAL MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM one should approach THE CURRENT LINK, or spiritual master, in the chain of disciplic succession.”
Conditioned soul “gurus” manufactured by fake GBC are not ACARYA and consequently can NOT initiate.
Nectar of Devotion 7 – Evidence Regarding Devotional Principles
REGARDING ACCEPTING INITIATION from the spiritual master, in the Eleventh Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam, Seventeenth Chapter, verse 27, it is stated by Lord Krsna, “My dear Uddhava, the spiritual master must be accepted not only as My representative, but as My very self. He must never be considered on the same level with an ordinary human being. One should never be envious of the spiritual master, as one may be envious of an ordinary man. The spiritual master should always be seen as the representative of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and by serving the spiritual master one is able to serve all the demigods.”
Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.7.15 Purport – Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati:
“By the mercy of the spiritual master one is benedicted by the mercy of Krsna. Without the grace of the spiritual master, one cannot make any advancement.” A disciple should never be a hypocrite or be unfaithful to his spiritual master. In Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.17.27), THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ALSO CALLED ACARYA. Acaryam mam vijaniyan: the Supreme Personality of Godhead says that one should respect the spiritual master, accepting him as the Lord Himself. Navamanyeta karhicit: one should not disrespect the acarya at any time. Na martya-buddhyasuyeta: one should never think the acarya an ordinary person. Familiarity sometimes breeds contempt, but one should be very careful in one’s dealings with the acarya. Agadha-dhisanam dvijam: the acarya is a perfect brahmana and has unlimited intelligence in guiding the activities of his disciple.
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Mahesh Raja says:
30. September 2023 at 2:55 pm
Note: Rupanuga das, Uttamasloka das etc obviously think that close physical association with Srila Prabhupada carries more weight and devotees will be duped with whatever they say:
72-02-20. Letter: Satadhanya
So far personal association with the Guru is concerned, I was only with my Guru Maharaja four or five times, but I have never left his association, not even for a moment. Because I am following his instructions, I have never felt any separation. THERE ARE SOME OF MY GODBROTHERS HERE IN INDIA WHO HAD CONSTANT PERSONAL ASSOCIATION WITH GURU MAHARAJA, BUT WHO ARE NEGLECTING HIS ORDERS. THIS IS JUST LIKE THE BUG WHO IS SITTING ON THE LAP OF THE KING. HE MAY BE VERY PUFFED-UP BY HIS POSITION, BUT ALL HE CAN SUCCEED IN DOING IS BITING THE KING. PERSONAL ASSOCIATION IS NOT SO IMPORTANT AS ASSOCIATION THROUGH SERVICE.
Madhya 18.99 Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’ s Visit to Sri Vrndavana
A sincere person is able to see Krsna through the transparent via medium of Sri Gurudeva, the spiritual master. UNLESS ONE IS ENLIGHTENED BY THE KNOWLEDGE GIVEN BY THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, HE CANNOT SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE, EVEN THOUGH HE REMAINS CONSTANTLY WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER. This incident at Kaliya-daha is very instructive for those eager to advance in Krsna consciousness.
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Prabhupāda: Yes. If by the dress of sannyāsī, you take some money and eat and sleep, then it is transcendental fraud. (SP laughs) (Hindi) Just like others are toiling, and we are getting money by some dress. That’s all. They are getting money by laboring hard, and we are getting money… In India, mostly the sannyāsīs, they do that. The priests also, they do that. This is our profession, just… My Guru Mahārāja said that ṭhākura dekhiye pāya rasta karache, rastaye ‘yandiya jīvika badram karam bhari (?). Instead of earning livelihood by showing the Deity in the temple, it is better to take the profession of a sweeper in the street and live honestly.
Mahesh: So who is claiming to Jump over to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura? Just look at Rupanuga das’s word jugglery to prop-up bogus wananbe gurus in ISKCON.
PADA: Why should we worship Srila Prabhupada when Rupanuga has a pocketful of deviants, molesters, drunks, drug addicts, porno swamis and pedophiles for your kiddies to worship instead?
Point 1) First of all, Srila Prabhupada does NOT require some via media ISKCON manufactured rubber-stamped GBC conditioned soul Voted-In “madhyama adhikari” for anyone to approach him. Neither did Srila Prabhupada EVER say this his books. Check the Vedabase. It is not there.This is all Rupanuga das’s concocted bluff.
Besides, madhyama adhikari is NOT even Diksa guru. Maha Bhagavata IS the transparent via media Diksa Guru:
PADA: Well yep, pedophiles are not Madhyam Adhikary for starters, hello!
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422
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The madhyama-adhikārī should not touch the demons. Because maybe, he may turn again, be demon. Therefore one should be very careful to associate with the demons.
PADA: Rupanuga finds a person who might become a demon, and makes him God's successor. What could go wrong pilgrims?
Point 2)
There is nothing to jump over. Srila Prabhupada IS the CURRENT Acarya the actual Diksa Guru of ISKCON. This issue has already been covered here:
WHEN I Order
BY: MAHESH RAJA
In response to Tamohara Prabhu’s recent article, “Pertinent to the Directives of Srila Prabhupada”, regarding the hybrid gurus you propose, I do not see how that is feasible. Let’s consider the following:
1) From the year 1966 to 1977 Srila Prabhupada did NOT give ANY order to anyone SPECIFICALLY “YOU become guru,” so HOW can you say that they are diksa guru?
IF Srila Prabhupada would have ordered BEFORE 1977 then there would be no point in 1977 of him stating in 1977 WHEN I order.
It was SPECIFICALLY in the year 1977 that Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order” NOT before, so AFTER the year 1977 WHERE is the evidence of THAT order?
Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan:
Prabhupada: “When I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”
“When I order”– NO ORDER WAS GIVEN. On the contrary, the ONLY instruction that followed TWO months AFTER was as per 9th July 1977 Letter, that they were to act in the capacity of Ritvik Representative of Acarya and the disciples initiated would be Srila Prabhupada’s, NOT theirs.
Even Tamal Krsna Gosvami admitted they were conditioned souls and consequently not qualified. (Refer to my previous article, Brief History of Guru Hoax in ISKCON)
2) I have mentioned in my article, “Diksa Given to Madhyam-adhikari is Not a Formality”, the RECEPIENT of DIKSA is Madhyama Adhikari — so how can they give Diksa voted in by conditioned soul fake GBC?
HOW are they BONAFIDE (genuine) if they REQUIRE to be VOTED IN as GURU by a group of conditioned souls?
3) EXACTLY when did Srila Prabhupada EVER state that he has STOPPED giving DIKSA at Madhyama Adhikari stage to the countless generations of devotees still to come? (Refer to my article). When this IS the case, where is the NEED for anyone else to give DIKSA in the presence of OUR BONAFIDE DIKSA Guru Srila Prabhupada?
4) Since the initiator is one throughout (refer to my article), HOW can the conditioned soul guru opportunists VOTED IN by fake GBC give DIKSA?
5) Jumping over either way:
a) WHY should they JUMP OVER the PROMINENT ACARYA Srila Prabhupada bearing in mind GAPS in the Disciplic succession of ACARYAS are acceptable?
b) Nobody can Jump over PROMINENT ACARYA Srila Prabhupada to get diksa from Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura.
Srila Prabhupada’s Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, December 8, 1973, Los Angeles:
“You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT FROM ME. This is called parampara system. YOU CANNOT JUMP OVER TO THE SUPERIOR GURU, NEGLECTING THE NEXT ACARYA, IMMEDIATE NEXT ACARYA.”
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Dayananda, April 12, 1968:
“Regarding parampara system: there is nothing to wonder for big gaps. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system–namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system. We have to pick up the prominent acaryas, and follow from him. There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to.”
6) Since NO ORDER from Srila Prabhupada was EVER given that they ARE Acarya (Uttama Adhikari) HOW can they give DIKSA? I am NOT talking of FORMALITY of initiation.
7) Disciplic SUCCESSION of ACARYAS. Succession means TO SUCCEED that’s dictionary meaning. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saravati Thakura has been SUCCEEDED BY His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada who IS Founder AND ACARYA of ISKCON. HOW are they ACARYA? HOW have they SUCCEEDED Srila Prabhupada? Please see below.
Srila Prabhupada IS the FOUNDER AND ACARYA note the HYPEN in his books. ISKCON Founder-Acarya His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. If it had been only ISKCON founder only there would not be hypen in between. This means Srila Prabhupada IS the CURRENT ACARYA. THIS IS THE CURRENT LINK. NO EXCUSES HERE whatsoever. The meaning is COMPLETELY CLEAR.
In the DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS the LAST name is: 30. Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta. And He is PROMINENT so we ACCEPT HIM.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.29.17:
“In Bhagavad-gita, Thirteenth Chapter, it is clearly stated that one should execute devotional service and advance on the path of spiritual knowledge by accepting the acarya. ACARYOPASANAM: ONE SHOULD WORSHIP AN ACARYA, a spiritual master who knows things as they are. The spiritual master must be in the disciplic succession from Krsna. THE PREDECESSORS OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER ARE HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GREAT-GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER AND SO ON, WHO FORM THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS.”
Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Upendra, February 13, 1968:
“My Guru Maharaja was in the 10th generation from Lord Caitanya. We are 11th from Lord Caitanya. The disciplic sucession is as follows: 1. Sri Krishna, 2. Brahma, 3. Narada, 4. Vyasa, 5. Madhva, 6. Padmanabha, 7. Nrihari, 8. Madhava, 9. Akshobhya, 10. Jayatirtha, 11. Jnanasindhu, 12. Purusottama, 13. Vidyanidhi, 14. Rajendra, 15. Jayadharma, 16. Purusottama, 17. Vyasatirtha, 18. Laksmipati, 19. Madhavendra Puri, 20. Isvara Puri (Advaita, Nityananda) 21. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, 22. (Svarupa, Sanatana) Rupa, 23.(Jiva) Raghunath, 24. Krishna dasa, 25. Narottama, 26. Visvanatha, 27. (Baladeva.) Jagannatha, 28. (Bhaktivinode) Gaura-kisora, 29. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, Sri Barshabhanavidayitadas, 30. Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta.”
8) WHY have this bogus conditioned soul opportunist gurus voted in by fake GBC DENIED Srila Prabhupada as the INITIATOR even though he says VERY clearly:
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Madhudvisa, August 4, 1975: “Regarding Sydney, that the President has left, if one does not follow the regulative principles, then he will leave. That is a fact. Has somebody else been elected? This is the function of the GBC, to see that one may not be taken away by maya. The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM in the INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.”
Srila Prabhupada’s 07-09-77, Letter to All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupad by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of his divine grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.
(SRILA PRABHUPADA’S SIGNATURE APPEARS IN THE ORIGINAL)
7) HOW are these conditioned soul opportunist gurus VOTED IN by fake GBC the Current Link? Please see below.
Srila Prabhupada and his words are on the transcendental platform, therefore his purports to the SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM is the CURRENT LINK. AS LONG AS WE HAVE PRABHUPADA’S PURPORTS TO THE SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE WILL BE OUR CURRENT LINK**THE REAL** MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM ARE***HIS PURPORTS***.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.9.7:
“As already stated, Brahma is the original spiritual master for the universe, and since he was initiated by the Lord Himself, the MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM IS COMING DOWN BY DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION, and in order to receive THE REAL MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM one should approach THE CURRENT LINK, or spiritual master, in the chain of disciplic succession.”
Conditioned soul “gurus” manufactured by fake GBC are not ACARYA and consequently can NOT initiate.
Nectar of Devotion 7 – Evidence Regarding Devotional Principles
REGARDING ACCEPTING INITIATION from the spiritual master, in the Eleventh Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam, Seventeenth Chapter, verse 27, it is stated by Lord Krsna, “My dear Uddhava, the spiritual master must be accepted not only as My representative, but as My very self. He must never be considered on the same level with an ordinary human being. One should never be envious of the spiritual master, as one may be envious of an ordinary man. The spiritual master should always be seen as the representative of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and by serving the spiritual master one is able to serve all the demigods.”
Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.7.15 Purport – Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati:
“By the mercy of the spiritual master one is benedicted by the mercy of Krsna. Without the grace of the spiritual master, one cannot make any advancement.” A disciple should never be a hypocrite or be unfaithful to his spiritual master. In Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.17.27), THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ALSO CALLED ACARYA. Acaryam mam vijaniyan: the Supreme Personality of Godhead says that one should respect the spiritual master, accepting him as the Lord Himself. Navamanyeta karhicit: one should not disrespect the acarya at any time. Na martya-buddhyasuyeta: one should never think the acarya an ordinary person. Familiarity sometimes breeds contempt, but one should be very careful in one’s dealings with the acarya. Agadha-dhisanam dvijam: the acarya is a perfect brahmana and has unlimited intelligence in guiding the activities of his disciple.
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Mahesh Raja says:
30. September 2023 at 2:55 pm
Note: Rupanuga das, Uttamasloka das etc obviously think that close physical association with Srila Prabhupada carries more weight and devotees will be duped with whatever they say:
72-02-20. Letter: Satadhanya
So far personal association with the Guru is concerned, I was only with my Guru Maharaja four or five times, but I have never left his association, not even for a moment. Because I am following his instructions, I have never felt any separation. THERE ARE SOME OF MY GODBROTHERS HERE IN INDIA WHO HAD CONSTANT PERSONAL ASSOCIATION WITH GURU MAHARAJA, BUT WHO ARE NEGLECTING HIS ORDERS. THIS IS JUST LIKE THE BUG WHO IS SITTING ON THE LAP OF THE KING. HE MAY BE VERY PUFFED-UP BY HIS POSITION, BUT ALL HE CAN SUCCEED IN DOING IS BITING THE KING. PERSONAL ASSOCIATION IS NOT SO IMPORTANT AS ASSOCIATION THROUGH SERVICE.
Madhya 18.99 Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’ s Visit to Sri Vrndavana
A sincere person is able to see Krsna through the transparent via medium of Sri Gurudeva, the spiritual master. UNLESS ONE IS ENLIGHTENED BY THE KNOWLEDGE GIVEN BY THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, HE CANNOT SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE, EVEN THOUGH HE REMAINS CONSTANTLY WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER. This incident at Kaliya-daha is very instructive for those eager to advance in Krsna consciousness.
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Prabhupāda: Yes. If by the dress of sannyāsī, you take some money and eat and sleep, then it is transcendental fraud. (SP laughs) (Hindi) Just like others are toiling, and we are getting money by some dress. That’s all. They are getting money by laboring hard, and we are getting money… In India, mostly the sannyāsīs, they do that. The priests also, they do that. This is our profession, just… My Guru Mahārāja said that ṭhākura dekhiye pāya rasta karache, rastaye ‘yandiya jīvika badram karam bhari (?). Instead of earning livelihood by showing the Deity in the temple, it is better to take the profession of a sweeper in the street and live honestly.
He said like that. The sweeper is working hard toiling and getting some money and living. This is honest living. But just like in Vṛndāvana, all the Goswamis. They have got their Deity. People are coming, contributing. Typical example, Gauracānda Goswami. Ṭhākura dekhiye paisa rasta. (?) All the sevaites, they are meant for… Our Kunja Babu also planned like that. He thought, “By cheating all the God-brothers, I have got now Caitanya Maṭha. And people will come to see Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s birthplace, and I will get good income. And it will be distributed amongst my brothers and sons and myself. That’s all.” That is his scheme.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Perfect material plan.
Prabhupāda: Yes. It is another way of earning money. And he was always after Guru Mahārāja only for this purpose. Guru Mahārāja took that “Oh, this man is helping me.” But he had no such plan, to help Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī. He had the plan, “Keep Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī in front, earn money, and put it in my pocket.” That was his very beginning. He was taking money like anything. But he was a good manager.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Perfect material plan.
Prabhupāda: Yes. It is another way of earning money. And he was always after Guru Mahārāja only for this purpose. Guru Mahārāja took that “Oh, this man is helping me.” But he had no such plan, to help Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī. He had the plan, “Keep Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī in front, earn money, and put it in my pocket.” That was his very beginning. He was taking money like anything. But he was a good manager.
Other God-brothers complained, sannyāsīs. Guru Mahārāja used to say that “Why you are complaining? You cannot reform him, your God-brother? And if I would have to keep expert manager like him, I would have to pay something. Suppose he is taking something, why do you grudge?” (Prabhupāda laughing) He would say like that. So nobody could say anything. But after the demise, everything burst out. “Kunja Babu must be driven out.” That was the whole plan of Gauḍīya Maṭha breakdown. The grudge was against Kunja Babu.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who is Kunja Babu?
Prabhupāda: That Tīrtha Mahārāja. His name is Kunja Vihari Sar. So that was boiling in everyone’s heart. So as soon as Guru Mahārāja passed away, so that burst out. And the whole plan was how to get out this Kunja Babu.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not how to preach.
Prabhupāda: No. This was the cause of breakdown. This was suppressed by Guru Mahārāja under his influence, but the rebellious was there during his lifetime. And it burst into… Therefore he advised that “You make a governing body and Kunja Babu should be allowed to remain manager.” This was directly spoken. He never asked anybody to become ācārya. He asked that “You form a governing body of twelve men and go on preaching, and Kunja Babu may be allowed to remain manager during his lifetime.” He never said that Kunja Babu should be ācārya.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who is Kunja Babu?
Prabhupāda: That Tīrtha Mahārāja. His name is Kunja Vihari Sar. So that was boiling in everyone’s heart. So as soon as Guru Mahārāja passed away, so that burst out. And the whole plan was how to get out this Kunja Babu.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not how to preach.
Prabhupāda: No. This was the cause of breakdown. This was suppressed by Guru Mahārāja under his influence, but the rebellious was there during his lifetime. And it burst into… Therefore he advised that “You make a governing body and Kunja Babu should be allowed to remain manager.” This was directly spoken. He never asked anybody to become ācārya. He asked that “You form a governing body of twelve men and go on preaching, and Kunja Babu may be allowed to remain manager during his lifetime.” He never said that Kunja Babu should be ācārya.
None, none of them were advised by Guru Mahārāja to become ācārya. His idea was “Let them manage; then whoever will be actual qualified for becoming ācārya, they will elect. Why I should enforce upon them?” That was his plan. “Let them manage by strong governing body, as it is going on. Then ācārya will come by his qualifications.” But they wanted that… Because at heart, they were, “After demise of Guru, I shall become ācārya.” “I shall become ācārya.” So all the ācāryas began fight.
One side, that Vāsudeva Ācārya and Sar Kunja Babu Ācārya. And Paramānanda, he thought that “Whoever will be powerful, I shall join them.” (laughing) He only thought. But Guru Mahārāja never asked that these three men should be trustees. He wanted governing body. So the rebellion broke out immediately after his passing away. And then fight in the high-court. And Kunja Babu, he is very intelligent man. So from the very beginning he knew that “There will be fight after the demise of Guru Mahārāja. So fight will be in the high-court. So at the expense of Guru Mahārāja, let my brother and sons become attorneys and barrister so I will have not to pay all these things.” It was a planned thing. And that is being done.
He was a clerk, it was not in his power to make his brother and sons attorneys and barristers. They were all made at the cost of Gauḍīya Maṭha to fight with (indistinct) in favor of Tīrtha Mahārāja. These were the planned things. But I was a rotten gṛhastha. I did not join any one of them. (Prabhupāda laughs) I was rotting in my household life. That’s all. But I was planning how to make, how to make this. That was my desire from the very beginning, since I heard it. But I was never with them, either this party or that party. And Guru Mahārāja also recommended, apnader tasturi tublia thaki bhavan. Takhona (?). “When there will be need, he will do himself.
There is no need of living with you. It is better to live apart from you.” When I was recommended by Goswami Mahārāja to live in the Maṭha, that “He is so nice.” Sometimes he recommended. In Bombay, here in this Bombay. That house. Yes. He (Guru Mahārāja) said “Yes, he is very expert. He can do. So it is better to live apart from you. And he will do everything when there is need.” He said. I could not understand. Although I was apart from them, a gṛhastha. In this Bombay I was doing business. (people talking outside)
SB 8.9.28 P The Lord Incarnates as Mohini-Murti
THERE ARE MANY KARMIS IN THE DRESS OF DEVOTEES, BUT THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD CAN DETECT THEIR PURPOSE. THE KARMIS WANT TO USE THE PROPERTY OF THE LORD FOR THEIR SELFISH SENSE GRATIFICATION, but a devotee endeavors to use the Lord’s property for God’s service.
Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:
30. September 2023 at 4:19 pm
June 28th 2023 class in Dallas -- and speaker is another Rupanuga Das (maybe a Tamal disciples and not acbs) who is still saying that he is a disciple of homosex guru promoter and poisoner of Srila Prabhupada Tamal Krishna!
What a complete fool this guy is, that he wants to follow this reprobate, promoter of homosexuals and pedophiles as gurus, a poisoner and fake -- Tamal Krishna -- who is going to hell! That is all I need to hear from these idiots so just to hear what they have to say is just POISON!
Who cares about Dallas Temple? These persons are severely retarded and monumentally stupid!
I WOULD NOT WASTE MY TIME WITH THESE RETARDS!
AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE “I SAW TAMAL KRISHNA GOING DOWN TO HELL!” I WAS VISITED BY HIS GHOST! ………. IT IS SOMETHING I WILL NEVER FORGET! ONE CANNOT REALIZE SOMETHING THAT ISN’T TRUE!
When I had an ISKCON “fake guru” back in the early 80s his “Vyasa Puja” was coming up and everyone was saying to me “Oh! Prabhu!, have you written your homage to him and your realizations?” I replied “I do not have any realizations about him!” They all laughed at me and were saying “Hey! Suds said he hasn’t got any realizations! Ha! Ha!”…… trying to ridicule me, put me in my place! Soon after he got caught ‘doing homosex!’ and was barred from Sannyasi Ashram and was no longer allowed to “initiate!”
After the “shock” was over I said to some of these morons, “What about your “REALIZATIONS” that you wrote down for all to see that he was a ‘pure devotee!’ and that he was a “pure representative of Lord Sri Krishna and above all the modes of material nature and all that stuff?” Well that caused a few red faces!
WHICH ONLY GOES TO PROVE THAT “YOU CANNOT ‘REALIZE’ SOMETHING THAT ISN’T TRUE!” … BAS!
Well that being said! it is still most important that these things are not forgotten and these rascals and fools are exposed so that newcomers can understand the situation and the truth prevails!
Mahesh Raja says:
1. October 2023 at 2:57 am
Sudarsana Das Vanacari says: Well that being said! it is still most important that these things are not forgotten and these rascals and fools are exposed so that newcomers can understand the situation and the truth prevails!
Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada gave an example of the sun and glowworms. So, If we keep the sun of Srila Prabhupada’s words shining the glowworms have no effect. This is why it is very important to keep on exposing these manipulative Anti Ritvik characters:
Note: ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT
Bg 10.4-5 P The Opulence of the Absolute
Asammoha, freedom from doubt and delusion, can be achieved when one is not hesitant and when he understands the transcendental philosophy. Slowly but surely he becomes free from bewilderment. Nothing should be accepted blindly; everything should be accepted with care and with caution. Ksama, forgiveness, should be practiced, and one should excuse the minor offenses of others. Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. THE TRUTH SHOULD BE SPOKEN IN A STRAIGHT AND FORWARD WAY, SO THAT OTHERS WILL UNDERSTAND ACTUALLY WHAT THE FACTS ARE. IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT. Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others. That is the definition of truth.
SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA
730503mw.la Conversations
Prabhupada: No, it is Sanskrit. And in Bengal it is called vane asiya raja.(?) “In the forest a jackal has become king.” They are like that. Nila-varna-srigalavat.(?) When… There is big story about this jackal. I will tell you some. A jackal came in the village and he fell in the tub where, what is called, the water? No, no. The water man keeps the water for dipping, making
little bluish. For coloring. That blue, blue. So the washerman kept the dye water in a big tub, and the jackal fell in it. So jackal fell in it; he became blue, all blue. So he fled away, and all the animals said, “What is this animal? What is the animal? What is that animal? Oh?” All, even lion became surprised. “We have not seen this.” “So who are you, sir?” “I AM SENT BY GOD TO RULE OVER YOU.” “OH?” SO THEY BEGAN TO WORSHIP HIM AS GOD, AS LEADER.
SB 8.9.28 P The Lord Incarnates as Mohini-Murti
THERE ARE MANY KARMIS IN THE DRESS OF DEVOTEES, BUT THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD CAN DETECT THEIR PURPOSE. THE KARMIS WANT TO USE THE PROPERTY OF THE LORD FOR THEIR SELFISH SENSE GRATIFICATION, but a devotee endeavors to use the Lord’s property for God’s service.
Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:
30. September 2023 at 4:19 pm
June 28th 2023 class in Dallas -- and speaker is another Rupanuga Das (maybe a Tamal disciples and not acbs) who is still saying that he is a disciple of homosex guru promoter and poisoner of Srila Prabhupada Tamal Krishna!
What a complete fool this guy is, that he wants to follow this reprobate, promoter of homosexuals and pedophiles as gurus, a poisoner and fake -- Tamal Krishna -- who is going to hell! That is all I need to hear from these idiots so just to hear what they have to say is just POISON!
Who cares about Dallas Temple? These persons are severely retarded and monumentally stupid!
I WOULD NOT WASTE MY TIME WITH THESE RETARDS!
AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE “I SAW TAMAL KRISHNA GOING DOWN TO HELL!” I WAS VISITED BY HIS GHOST! ………. IT IS SOMETHING I WILL NEVER FORGET! ONE CANNOT REALIZE SOMETHING THAT ISN’T TRUE!
When I had an ISKCON “fake guru” back in the early 80s his “Vyasa Puja” was coming up and everyone was saying to me “Oh! Prabhu!, have you written your homage to him and your realizations?” I replied “I do not have any realizations about him!” They all laughed at me and were saying “Hey! Suds said he hasn’t got any realizations! Ha! Ha!”…… trying to ridicule me, put me in my place! Soon after he got caught ‘doing homosex!’ and was barred from Sannyasi Ashram and was no longer allowed to “initiate!”
After the “shock” was over I said to some of these morons, “What about your “REALIZATIONS” that you wrote down for all to see that he was a ‘pure devotee!’ and that he was a “pure representative of Lord Sri Krishna and above all the modes of material nature and all that stuff?” Well that caused a few red faces!
WHICH ONLY GOES TO PROVE THAT “YOU CANNOT ‘REALIZE’ SOMETHING THAT ISN’T TRUE!” … BAS!
Well that being said! it is still most important that these things are not forgotten and these rascals and fools are exposed so that newcomers can understand the situation and the truth prevails!
Mahesh Raja says:
1. October 2023 at 2:57 am
Sudarsana Das Vanacari says: Well that being said! it is still most important that these things are not forgotten and these rascals and fools are exposed so that newcomers can understand the situation and the truth prevails!
Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada gave an example of the sun and glowworms. So, If we keep the sun of Srila Prabhupada’s words shining the glowworms have no effect. This is why it is very important to keep on exposing these manipulative Anti Ritvik characters:
Note: ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT
Bg 10.4-5 P The Opulence of the Absolute
Asammoha, freedom from doubt and delusion, can be achieved when one is not hesitant and when he understands the transcendental philosophy. Slowly but surely he becomes free from bewilderment. Nothing should be accepted blindly; everything should be accepted with care and with caution. Ksama, forgiveness, should be practiced, and one should excuse the minor offenses of others. Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. THE TRUTH SHOULD BE SPOKEN IN A STRAIGHT AND FORWARD WAY, SO THAT OTHERS WILL UNDERSTAND ACTUALLY WHAT THE FACTS ARE. IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT. Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others. That is the definition of truth.
SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA
730503mw.la Conversations
Prabhupada: No, it is Sanskrit. And in Bengal it is called vane asiya raja.(?) “In the forest a jackal has become king.” They are like that. Nila-varna-srigalavat.(?) When… There is big story about this jackal. I will tell you some. A jackal came in the village and he fell in the tub where, what is called, the water? No, no. The water man keeps the water for dipping, making
little bluish. For coloring. That blue, blue. So the washerman kept the dye water in a big tub, and the jackal fell in it. So jackal fell in it; he became blue, all blue. So he fled away, and all the animals said, “What is this animal? What is the animal? What is that animal? Oh?” All, even lion became surprised. “We have not seen this.” “So who are you, sir?” “I AM SENT BY GOD TO RULE OVER YOU.” “OH?” SO THEY BEGAN TO WORSHIP HIM AS GOD, AS LEADER.
Then one day other jackals, they were crying, “Wa, wa,” but the jackals cannot stop. If others jackals cry, the jackal cannot stop. So he also began to “Wa, wa.” Oh, then, they, oh, this rascal is a jackal. Yavat kincin na bhasate. That these rascals are jackals. Now they are talking nonsense. We can detect that “Here is a jackal.” SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA. NOT ONLY SCIENTIFIC, ALL POLITICAL THINGS, SOCIAL THINGS, EVERYTHING. THEY SHOULD BE ALL KICKED OUT. THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED BY KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. THEN PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY. THIS SHOULD BE OUR PROGRAM. Our, this propaganda means to make people happy. It is not a business, to make business and take some money. And so many jackals have been arrested and resigned in your… You know that? Many jackals have been obliged to resign their post in the government.
731209SB.LA Lectures
So this Krsna consciousness movement is a challenge to all the rascals and fools, that’s all. SO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN THIS MOVEMENT VERY SERIOUSLY, THEY SHOULD BE VERY SOBER AND UNDERSTAND AT LEAST YOU MUST EXPOSE ALL THESE RASCALS. THAT WILL BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY KRSNA.
Thank you very much. (end)
“So you all write very strongly vehemently. Even it is a little offensive, still these rascals should be taught a lesson. Yes. They’re misleading. Godlessness.” (Conversations April 19, 1973)
721016SB.VRN Lectures
SO WHEN YOU BECOME ACTUALLY PREACHER OF GOD CONSCIOUSNESS, YOU CANNOT MAKE ANY COMPROMISE. YOU MUST CALL THE SPADE A SPADE. Just like Prahlada Maharaja. Prahlada Maharaja is one of the mahajanas. Out of the twelve mahajanas, he’s one of them. Because he was very bold. He was not afraid of his demonic father. He chastised him in so many ways. But he was never afraid. So just like our people are being persecuted in Australia. You know? They have been put into jail because they are preaching Hare Krsna. SO THIS IS NOT VERY EASY THING, EASY-GOING. MY GURU MAHARAJA, BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI GOSVAMI MAHARAJA, HE DID NOT LIKE THAT HIS DISCIPLES WOULD BE EASY-GOING, CHEAP VAISNAVA.
Note: BUT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT. THEN YOUR GURU MAHARAJA WILL BE GLORIFIED.
751226mw.san Conversations
Prabhupada: Yes. That you have to prove. You can eulogize your Guru Maharaja, but you have to learn it and face the public and be strong to defend yourself. That is success. Not by praising your Guru Maharaja. You’ll praise your Guru Maharaja. That is not very difficult. BUT BE VICTORIOUS TO THE OPPOSING ELEMENTS. THEN YOU WILL PRAISE YOUR GURU MAHARAJA NICELY. AT HOME, YOU CAN PRAISE YOUR GURU MAHARAJA, AND GURU MAHARAJA BE SATISFIED, “OH, MY DISCIPLES ARE PRAISING ME.” THAT IS NOT VERY…. THAT IS GOOD. RESPECTFUL. THAT IS THE QUALIFICATION. BUT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT. THEN YOUR GURU MAHARAJA WILL BE GLORIFIED.
SB 4.14.41 T The Story of King Vena
brahmanah sama-drk santo
dinanam samupeksakah
sravate brahma tasyapi
bhinna-bhandat payo yatha
SYNONYMS
brahmanah–a brahmana; sama-drk–equipoised; santah–peaceful; dinanam–the poor; samupeksakah–grossly neglecting; sravate–diminishes; brahma–spiritual power; tasya–his; api–certainly; bhinna-bhandat–from a cracked pot; payah–water; yatha–just as.
TRANSLATION
The great sages began to think that although a brahmana is peaceful and impartial because he is equal to everyone, it is still not his duty to neglect poor humans. BY SUCH NEGLECT, A BRAHMANA’S SPIRITUAL POWER DIMINISHES, JUST AS WATER KEPT IN A CRACKED POT LEAKS OUT.
PURPORT
Brahmanas, the topmost section of human society, are mostly devotees. They are generally unaware of the happenings within the material world because they are always busy in their activities for spiritual advancement. Nonetheless, when there is a calamity in human society, they CANNOT remain impartial. If they do not do something to relieve the distressed condition of human society, it is said that due to such neglect their spiritual knowledge DIMINISHES.
731209SB.LA Lectures
So this Krsna consciousness movement is a challenge to all the rascals and fools, that’s all. SO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN THIS MOVEMENT VERY SERIOUSLY, THEY SHOULD BE VERY SOBER AND UNDERSTAND AT LEAST YOU MUST EXPOSE ALL THESE RASCALS. THAT WILL BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY KRSNA.
Thank you very much. (end)
“So you all write very strongly vehemently. Even it is a little offensive, still these rascals should be taught a lesson. Yes. They’re misleading. Godlessness.” (Conversations April 19, 1973)
721016SB.VRN Lectures
SO WHEN YOU BECOME ACTUALLY PREACHER OF GOD CONSCIOUSNESS, YOU CANNOT MAKE ANY COMPROMISE. YOU MUST CALL THE SPADE A SPADE. Just like Prahlada Maharaja. Prahlada Maharaja is one of the mahajanas. Out of the twelve mahajanas, he’s one of them. Because he was very bold. He was not afraid of his demonic father. He chastised him in so many ways. But he was never afraid. So just like our people are being persecuted in Australia. You know? They have been put into jail because they are preaching Hare Krsna. SO THIS IS NOT VERY EASY THING, EASY-GOING. MY GURU MAHARAJA, BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI GOSVAMI MAHARAJA, HE DID NOT LIKE THAT HIS DISCIPLES WOULD BE EASY-GOING, CHEAP VAISNAVA.
Note: BUT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT. THEN YOUR GURU MAHARAJA WILL BE GLORIFIED.
751226mw.san Conversations
Prabhupada: Yes. That you have to prove. You can eulogize your Guru Maharaja, but you have to learn it and face the public and be strong to defend yourself. That is success. Not by praising your Guru Maharaja. You’ll praise your Guru Maharaja. That is not very difficult. BUT BE VICTORIOUS TO THE OPPOSING ELEMENTS. THEN YOU WILL PRAISE YOUR GURU MAHARAJA NICELY. AT HOME, YOU CAN PRAISE YOUR GURU MAHARAJA, AND GURU MAHARAJA BE SATISFIED, “OH, MY DISCIPLES ARE PRAISING ME.” THAT IS NOT VERY…. THAT IS GOOD. RESPECTFUL. THAT IS THE QUALIFICATION. BUT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT. THEN YOUR GURU MAHARAJA WILL BE GLORIFIED.
SB 4.14.41 T The Story of King Vena
brahmanah sama-drk santo
dinanam samupeksakah
sravate brahma tasyapi
bhinna-bhandat payo yatha
SYNONYMS
brahmanah–a brahmana; sama-drk–equipoised; santah–peaceful; dinanam–the poor; samupeksakah–grossly neglecting; sravate–diminishes; brahma–spiritual power; tasya–his; api–certainly; bhinna-bhandat–from a cracked pot; payah–water; yatha–just as.
TRANSLATION
The great sages began to think that although a brahmana is peaceful and impartial because he is equal to everyone, it is still not his duty to neglect poor humans. BY SUCH NEGLECT, A BRAHMANA’S SPIRITUAL POWER DIMINISHES, JUST AS WATER KEPT IN A CRACKED POT LEAKS OUT.
PURPORT
Brahmanas, the topmost section of human society, are mostly devotees. They are generally unaware of the happenings within the material world because they are always busy in their activities for spiritual advancement. Nonetheless, when there is a calamity in human society, they CANNOT remain impartial. If they do not do something to relieve the distressed condition of human society, it is said that due to such neglect their spiritual knowledge DIMINISHES.
Almost all the sages go to the Himalayas for their personal benefit, but Prahlada Maharaja said that he did not want liberation alone. He decided to wait until he was able to deliver all the fallen souls of the world.
Sudarasana Das Vanacari says:
1. October 2023 at 3:33 am
Well anyway, seems I’m referring to a ‘different’ Rupanuga (this one is an old Tamal Krishna ‘slave’ on the highway to hell!).
Meera says:
1. October 2023 at 12:26 pm
Rupunaga dass lives in Alachua, a huge Centralised Iskcon cult community,
enough said. Rupunaga dasa convinced Anuttama Mataji to change her beliefs in the final order & accept his bogus concoction of GBC elected false Hare Krsna gurus by using his senior position on her (many of us don’t fall for that nonsense).
Another rascal, Tamal, who controlled the GBC, influenced Rupanuga, he was programmed like the rest of the GBC at that time by Tamal to go along with the zonal guru system and book changes.
Uttamasloka dasa went over to the Gaudiya math, enough said.
No need to waste your time with these two senior Srila Prabhupada disciples, they are useless, which happens when you disobey the bonafide spiritual master, Srila Prabhupada.
Mahesh Raja says:
1. October 2023 at 5:31 pm
Meera says: Rupunaga dasa convinced Anuttama Mataji to change her beliefs in the final order & accept his bogus concoction of GBC elected false Hare Krsna gurus by using his senior position on her (many of us don’t fall for that nonsense).
Mahesh: Anuttama dasi has also SAME mentality like Rupanuga das and company. She only PRETENDED to accept the Ritvik System – but NOBODY actually believed her.
Reply
Mahesh Raja says:
1. October 2023 at 2:18 pm
Meera says: Uttamasloka dasa went over to the Gaudiya math, enough said.
Mahesh: Some Anti Ritviks (those who are against obeying Srila Prabhupada’s July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order) – they are looking for power positions – and when the bogus gbc do not give them rubber-stamp guruship licence to play at “As Good as God” Diksa Guru position to exploit the innocent make them slaves(disciples???) in FISKCON, then they go to Gaudiya Math camp. Incidently, among baboons there is also the same power play they have different gangs and one baboon wants to be big so he has fight among the inmates then if he looses he joins another gang.
Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers
BY: MAHESH RAJA
A Reply to Brahma das prabhu – Part One.
I read Brahma das’s comments to my article, “Analysis of Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga”. I wish to reply to his points in parts so as to allow readers to examine in detail the discussion and judge for themselves. So this is Part One.
Please see my complete article here:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/mahesh-raja/Srila_Prabhupadas_Godbrothers.html
https://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2260.htm
Hare Krishna!
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Sudarasana Das Vanacari says:
1. October 2023 at 3:33 am
Well anyway, seems I’m referring to a ‘different’ Rupanuga (this one is an old Tamal Krishna ‘slave’ on the highway to hell!).
Meera says:
1. October 2023 at 12:26 pm
Rupunaga dass lives in Alachua, a huge Centralised Iskcon cult community,
enough said. Rupunaga dasa convinced Anuttama Mataji to change her beliefs in the final order & accept his bogus concoction of GBC elected false Hare Krsna gurus by using his senior position on her (many of us don’t fall for that nonsense).
Another rascal, Tamal, who controlled the GBC, influenced Rupanuga, he was programmed like the rest of the GBC at that time by Tamal to go along with the zonal guru system and book changes.
Uttamasloka dasa went over to the Gaudiya math, enough said.
No need to waste your time with these two senior Srila Prabhupada disciples, they are useless, which happens when you disobey the bonafide spiritual master, Srila Prabhupada.
Mahesh Raja says:
1. October 2023 at 5:31 pm
Meera says: Rupunaga dasa convinced Anuttama Mataji to change her beliefs in the final order & accept his bogus concoction of GBC elected false Hare Krsna gurus by using his senior position on her (many of us don’t fall for that nonsense).
Mahesh: Anuttama dasi has also SAME mentality like Rupanuga das and company. She only PRETENDED to accept the Ritvik System – but NOBODY actually believed her.
Reply
Mahesh Raja says:
1. October 2023 at 2:18 pm
Meera says: Uttamasloka dasa went over to the Gaudiya math, enough said.
Mahesh: Some Anti Ritviks (those who are against obeying Srila Prabhupada’s July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order) – they are looking for power positions – and when the bogus gbc do not give them rubber-stamp guruship licence to play at “As Good as God” Diksa Guru position to exploit the innocent make them slaves(disciples???) in FISKCON, then they go to Gaudiya Math camp. Incidently, among baboons there is also the same power play they have different gangs and one baboon wants to be big so he has fight among the inmates then if he looses he joins another gang.
Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers
BY: MAHESH RAJA
A Reply to Brahma das prabhu – Part One.
I read Brahma das’s comments to my article, “Analysis of Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga”. I wish to reply to his points in parts so as to allow readers to examine in detail the discussion and judge for themselves. So this is Part One.
Please see my complete article here:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/mahesh-raja/Srila_Prabhupadas_Godbrothers.html
https://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2260.htm
Hare Krishna!
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
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