Prabhupadanuga Sites / Kailasa Update / Peacock TV Review / etc. 10 26

We need to understand:

the bigger picture of our lives here.

Connect with devotees worldwide:

PDA WhatsApp community:

https://chat.whatsapp.com/JevdrxyE15R9xdEOGWHsUC

Subscribe to our YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@KrishnaConsciousnessMovement

Join our Facebook group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/PrabhupadaDisciples

Join our mailing list:

https://tinyurl.com/pda-membership-form

Visit our website:

https://www.KrishnaConsciousnessMovement.com

Hare Krishna Society

KRISHNACONSCIOUSNESSMOVEMENT.COM

Hare Krishna Society

O most empowered preacher of Krishna your most divine grace Prabhupada, please impart to me Krishna’s wishes to reveal to all Krishna is God.

====================

https://thecinemaholic.com/steve-bryant-death-and-killer/?

============

Kailasa Candra folks still citing Kirtanananda's complaints about us:

PADA: Again thanks, you confirmed we are right, you guys chopped off the protest of child mistreatment by claiming those of us addressing this odious evil are -- bogus sahajiya drunks. So you helped defend the regime by being their clones and parrots. 

And that helped end Sulochana, because he said you guys demeaning him would make him a target. And that is a fact, you guys made him a target, and you helped end him, this is not slander -- it is what Sulochana himself says. 

And now you are still saying anyone who addresses child mistreatment is a drunk, which is what Kirtanananda and his clones were saying. Kailasa is doing the heavy lifting for the GBC, joining them and saying opponents of the child mistreatment process are "bogus sahajiya drunks." 

You are repeating them, correct. I agree. The Christian courts know that children are more important than beer. But since you claim to have the principle of guru, and thus the principle of children, and no actual people to be concerned with, you cannot help anyone, this is mayavada. 

No normal person cares if the whistleblowers on child mistreatment drink beer or not, it is not relevant to the primary issue. Only Kirtanananda's clones are worried about these things. Sorry! Repeating Kirtanananda's slogans is not going to convince people of anything these days, most people are done with his "they drink beer -- because they are addressing child abuse" argument, it is not accepted anymore and it looks cultish and foolish. 

But even Sanat (Steve Voith), Mukunda (Mark Whiteley), Prahlad das (Paul Coats?), Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur guys etc. were complaining that we protestors to their child abuse regime are "sahajiya drunks" -- for our opposing their illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's project. 

In other words, anyone who objects to their anal reconstructive surgery epidemic of children process -- is a bogus drunk, which is what the GBC said about us. That is also why this group cites Hari Sauri's writings, because he is Bhavananda's chief bucket boy. So they still don't get it, we cannot act as assisting goondas for child abuse guru regimes if we want to please Krishna, and instead we will be pleasing Beelzebub and not Krishna.  

Fortunately, the Christian's police, FBI, media and courts know that children are more important than beer. Sorry, you guys are just recycling your old GBC arguments from 1986, and this is not making you look good. In Krishna consciousness, we do not care if the person yelling "your house is on fire" has been drinking beer or not. We understand he is trying to save others from suffering and dying, and that is the main and important issue. Claiming that the person yelling "fire" is not relevant means, many people will have to suffer and die, which is what happens thanks to you guys suppressing us. 

Ys pd

angel108b@yahoo.com

=================

The Peacock TV show:


𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑬𝒗𝒐𝒍𝒖𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒐𝒇 𝑰𝒏𝒊𝒕𝒊𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒊𝒏 𝑰𝑺𝑲𝑪𝑶𝑵: 𝑨 𝑪𝒓𝒊𝒕𝒊𝒄𝒂𝒍 𝑨𝒏𝒂𝒍𝒚𝒔𝒊𝒔 𝒊𝒏 𝑳𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕 𝒐𝒇 𝑷𝒆𝒂𝒄𝒐𝒄𝒌'𝒔 '𝑲𝒓𝒊𝒔𝒉𝒏𝒂𝒔: 𝑮𝒖𝒓𝒖𝒔. 𝑲𝒂𝒓𝒎𝒂. 𝑴𝒖𝒓𝒅𝒆𝒓.'"

In light of the new documentary series, "Krishnas: Gurus. Karma. Murder." on the Peacock streaming app, it is essential to address the significant changes made to the initiation system in ISKCON (the International Society for Krishna Consciousness) and their impact on the organization's development. To truly understand these changes, we must briefly examine the three different initiation systems within ISKCON.

1) ** 𝑶𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒊𝒏𝒂𝒍 𝑰𝒏𝒊𝒕𝒊𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑺𝒚𝒔𝒕𝒆𝒎:** In the early days of ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada, the founder of the Hare Krishna Movement, personally conducted initiations. New devotees were required to chant 16 rounds of the Maha Mantra daily (japa) and follow four regulative principles:

a) No Intoxication
b) No Meat Eating
c) No Gambling
d) No Illicit Sex

They also attended daily temple services. If temple leaders observed that a new devotee was faithfully following these practices, they recommended them to Srila Prabhupada for initiation. In some cases, temple leaders themselves performed the fire sacrifice, and the new devotees considered themselves disciples of Srila Prabhupada.

2) ** 𝒁𝒐𝒏𝒂𝒍 𝑨𝒄𝒉𝒂𝒓𝒚𝒂 𝑺𝒚𝒔𝒕𝒆𝒎:** After Srila Prabhupada's departure, this system was introduced by unauthorized leaders. No gurus were officially appointed, but 11 senior leaders known as zonal acharyas were allowed to accept disciples in their respective zones. However, this was a deviation from the original system and resulted in a significant exodus of Srila Prabhupada's original disciples, either leaving the Hare Krishna Movement or the ISKCON temples.

3) ** 𝑬𝒄𝒄𝒍𝒆𝒔𝒊𝒂𝒔𝒕𝒊𝒄𝒂𝒍 𝑮𝒖𝒓𝒖 𝑺𝒚𝒔𝒕𝒆𝒎:** Following the fall of the zonal acharyas, the GBC (Governing Body Commission) introduced another new system. This system resembled the Catholic Church, where individuals who aspired to be gurus could approach the GBC, who would then vote to approve their guru status. Nevertheless, this system also deviated from Srila Prabhupada's original instructions regarding initiation.

The new documentary, "Krishnas: Gurus. Karma. Murder.," on Peacock, likely showcases the adverse consequences of these deviations from Srila Prabhupada's intended initiation system. The controversies and issues that have arisen in ISKCON might have been avoided if the organization had adhered to the initiation system that Srila Prabhupada established and requested to continue.
It is a reminder of the importance of maintaining the purity of the teachings and instructions of a spiritual movement's founder Acharya to ensure its integrity and growth.

It's essential to clarify that the original 11 members were never formally designated as "Successor Gurus," as erroneously asserted by certain self-proclaimed former Gurus in the documentary series. Their roles were, in fact, delineated as representatives of the Acharya, and it is of utmost significance to recognize that they deviated from this specific instruction. This deviation, regrettably, resulted in substantial disruption to the broader movement and posed a hindrance to the spiritual advancement of many Sadhakas. The reasons for their actions are complex, possibly rooted in factors such as lack of formal education, limited exposure to scriptural knowledge, lack of comprehensive understanding, materialistic tendencies, or avarice for authority.

This concise essay has been authored with the earnest purpose of disseminating essential truths, an endeavor that is intrinsically concerned with the welfare of all those who engage with its contents. 

===========

Srila Prabhupada: “Suppose if I am here and somebody kills me, and if you do not protest, is it a very good business? People will be surprised that ‘So many disciples are there, and this man is being killed, and nobody does anything?’" (Srila Prabhupada Lecture Oct. 27, 1974)

GOVINDA DASI SPEAKS ON WERE THERE GURU APPOINTMENTS? ONE: “Did I ever once for even a second believe that he appointed the eleven? NO. Not for even a second. And Bhagatji’s statement was only added proof of that truth. Bhagatji was there with Srila Prabhupada, and he saw and heard everything. His words to me were: ‘Prabhupada never appointed anyone. 

They have simply done this, that’s all.’” (Govinda dasi) Bhagatji (Vishvambhar das) was a Bengali close friend and confidant of Srila Prabhupada’s who lived right around the corner from the Vrindaban temple. TWO: “... just a few months after Prabhupada’s departure. One of my friends and Godbrothers came to me and told me, ‘Govinda dasi, did you hear what they’re doing in Mayapur? They’re having meetings and they’re planning to set themselves up as gurus and have zones and get worshipped on Vyasasanas...’ 

I was shocked. Sruta Kirti and Kusha, my dear friends... (I) told them what I had heard... Sruta Kirti, who had been Prabhupada’s servant longer than anybody, and who had also been in Vrindaban shortly before he left, had an unforgettable response. 

Here is the gist: ‘Govinda dasi, that’s ridiculous. They would never do something like that. Those are Prabhupada’s temples, nobody else is going to be worshipped as guru in them, that’s absurd! They would never sit on a Vyasasana in Prabhupada’s temples. Those are Prabhupada’s temples! Why, Prabhupada’s disciples would kill ‘em! Stop worrying about this, this is just some rumor.’” (Govinda dasi)

“I was at the Mayapur Gaura Purnima festival in 1978. I remember Satsvarupa announcing on behalf of the GBC that the 11 Ritviks would now be diksha gurus but they would keep a low profile. No pranams, no guru puja sung in temple room, and only for their disciples etc. Afterwards I went to the new Juhu Beach Bombay temple and did service as pujari and deity cook. Tamal was GBC there then. He had his quarters in one of the ‘twin towers’. I never went there, but he had his guru puja there every morning, then came down to the temple room with his followers for Srila Prabhupada’s guru puja. Gradually more of his Godbrothers were also attending his guru puja, and they would all come down chanting behind Tamal, like he was the pied piper! 

Then he had his seat built next to Srila Prabhupada’s Vyasasana. The height difference was not much. Then he had his gurupuja in the temple room, before Srila Prabhupada’s! I did not like it at all. I got his permission to leave and go to Vrindaban. I had met Yasodanandana Swami in Fiji the previous year when Srila Prabhupada sent him to install Deities and open the temple in Lautoka, and I liked him a lot. Gurukripa Swami was GBC for Vrindaban, and I also liked him. 

I served in Vrindaban as pujari for a year, as those two swamis desperately tried to keep Vrindaban temple a guru free zone, with Srila Prabhupada as the centre. The GBC didn’t like it. Tamal forced Bhagavan to take sannyas in front of Srila Prabhupada’s Samadhi on Vyasapuja day. Then the GBC sent an ‘inquisition’ team to take over the temple after the 1979 Gaura Purnima, and they installed Bhavananda ‘Swami’ as GBC. The 11 new gurus came to Vrindaban. I was there for the hysterical occasion when they all sat on their little seats, which nearly took up the whole temple room, for their simultaneous gurupuja! I didn’t like it, at all. I left and went on to Sweden.” (Dwaipayana das, Feb.1, 2017) (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories, 1.577) NEW!

=================

Rupa vilas goes into the GBC camp?


BABAJI MAHARAJA: Two Beyond Duality.


"I am sincerely grateful to Rūpa Vilāsa Dāsa for bringing us into the divine pastimes and teachings of two of the most elevated saints the world has ever known, Śrīla Gaura Kiśora Dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja and Śrīla Jagannātha Dāsa Bāb pastimes will lead us deeper into the limitless ocean of the pure devotionājī Mahārāja. After decades of research, sādhana, and prayer, Rūpa Vilāsa Dāsa is now offering this invaluable book Bābājī Mahārāja. Hearing these authentic personified by these great souls. ~~~Rādhānatha Swami

Buy both books from the publisher and get a $10 rebate. Books also available
from Amazon (no rebate)


http://www.bookwrightspress.com

Also available as ebooks from Amazon.

========

https://twitter.com/VCMVrindavan/status/1717428367547588724