How is Rupanuga's Program
"Authorized by Srila Prabhupada"?
Rupanuga was among the first people who said we
need to offer bhogha to his pedophile messiah's pals.
That means people are eating "pedophile-ized" food!
Fact: The GBC and Rupanuga went to the Gaudiya Matha Nabadvipa advisor in March of 1978 to seek advice and clarification about the guru issue and how it should be implemented in ISKCON.
Rupanuga dasa, in knowledge of the above-referenced clear warnings by Srila Prabhupada, did not warn and alert devotees and the leaders of ISKCON about Srila Prabhupada’s prophetic 1974 letter "do not consult with Sridhar Maharaja."
He went right along with the concocted acarya appointment. But now he wants all of us to believe that he understood Srila Prabhupada’s real intentions in October of 1977! Why did Rupanuga dasa and the GBC go to the Gaudiya Matha's advisor, for clarification for something they now claim they had understood all along?
If, according to Rupanuga dasa and company, everything was so clear to them in October of 1978, as per the following conversation:
Srila Prabhupāda: This initiation. I have deputed the, my disciples. Is it clear or not?
Girirāja: It’s clear, then why did they jump to Nabadvipa to seek clarification from an outside advisor to seek clarification of Srila Prabhupada’s instructions? How did everything become so unclear within just a few months that they felt that had to go to the Gaudiya Matha advisor to seek clarification? Another unresolved mystery!
Convenient Amnesia.
Srila Prabhupada had already warned Rupanuga dasa about the history of the Gaudiya Matha in April of 1974. Had Rupanuga dasa conveniently forgotten the April 28, 1974 personal letter from Srila Prabhupada and His warnings about Sridhar Maharaja’s role in destroying the Gaudiya Matha and their unauthorized acarya appointment?
Consultation with Higher Authorities?
Further, in March of 1978, at the Mayapur festival, Rupanuga dasa and the GBC issued a position paper to explain the process of future initiations for ISKCON. Under the title of the position paper was placed “In Consultation with Higher Authorities”.
So why did Rupanuga dasa and company have to consult with “Higher Authorities” in March of 1978, just a few months after they had allegedly understood Srila Prabhupada’s clear instructions in the matter of initiations in October of 1977? More unresolved mysteries!
And who are these so-called higher authorities? And when did Srila Prabhupada ever instruct us to go consulting other higher authorities than Him for the conduct of the missionary activities of His movement?
1978 Guru appointment hoax.
Following the Mayapur festival in March of 1978, a worldwide propaganda campaign was orchestrated by Rupanuga dasa and the GBC to attempt to convince the ISKCON devotees that Srila Prabhupada had appointed 11 gurus who were his true successors, that these 11 were pure devotees, uttama adhikaris, and that Srila Prabhupada had personally appointed these pure devotee diksa-gurus in May and July of 1977, as his true successors pure devotees acaryas.
Mythology Revival.
The secretary himself admitted the guru appointment myth in December of 1980 in Topanga Canyon, California. He clearly admitted in a quasi-public forum that the idea that Srila Prabhupada had appointed 11 gurus was a myth and that Srila Prabhupada had never appointed any gurus.
It should be noted that these important conversations with His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada were not released by the GBC for many years after Srila Prabhupada’s departure. Why not?
This new grammatical jugglery and interpretation is simply another attempt to revive the same old Guru appointment myth in a different format and avoid the order of the acarya Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada did not use the word diksa guru, acarya, appointed guru, appointed successor, etc He was very consistent by use of the word deputee in five different grammatical variations.
Historical facts.
By June of 1977, Srila Prabhupada had already removed himself from the choosing of the names of the new initiates, the chanting on the beads, the performing of the fire sacrifice but he was still the diksa-guru of the new initiates and was to remain the diksa-guru. Sri Prabhupada never gave the order to any of these 11 or 111 disciples to actually be diksa-gurus in the last few months of 1977.
The current Rupanuga dasa interpretation and all of the post 1977 GBC interpretations of these various conversations are simply an attempt at mythology revival and avoiding the order of the acarya, as per his clear directive of July 9th 1977.
When was Srila Prabhupada’s July 9th 1977 order changed or modified by Srila Prabhupada himself? When was the specific order to any of his disciples to be diksa-guru ever given after May 28 1977?
It is a fact that Rupanuga dasa and company’s post 1977 propaganda campaign throughout ISKCON, coupled with the GBC‘s iron fisted approach, conveyed myth and falsehood that the 11 had been appointed by Srila Prabhupada as diksa-gurus?
While it is certainly noble of Rupanuga dasa to enlighten us with his new current interpretation, it should not be forgotten that he was one of the original GBCs who vociferously supported and preached the appointment hoax and myth for many years.
While this new interpretation after 32 years seems to be an interesting pious belief, can he now publicly answer as to when these original 11 were ever appointed or selected by Srila Prabhupada as diksa-gurus When? Where? How?
Has anything been learned from the post 1936 and post 1977 appointment guru fiasco and the Maha-bhagavata assembly line of the GBC?
Has anything been learned from the post 1936 and post 1977 appointment guru fiasco and the Maha-bhagavata assembly line of the GBC?
Srila Prabhupada had already warned a few months earlier about the dreaded personal ambition disease that destroyed the Gaudiya Matha:
Srila Prabhupada warns about the result of manufacturing? Result of suppressing Guru. Result of ambition to take the place of guru.
Srila Prabhupada: We haven’t got to manufacture. To manufacture ideas is troublesome. Why should we take the trouble? And as soon as you want to manufacture something to my…., that is DANGEROUS. ...That you are singing every day, “what our guru has said, that is our life and soul.” …As soon as this POISON will come-suppress guru and I become Brahman-everything FINISHED. Spiritual life is finished. Gaudiya Matha finished, …VIOLATED the orders of Guru Maharaja. …And as soon as you manufacture, fall down. This manufacturing idea is very, very dangerous in spiritual life. …Our mission is to serve bhakta visesa and live with devotees. NOT THAT YOU TAKE THE PLACE OF GURU. THAT IS NONSENSE, VERY DANGEROUS. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become AMBITIOUS to TAKE THE PLACE of GURU-gurusuh nara matih. That is MATERIAL DISEASE. April 1977 Bombay, India
Srila Prabhupada’s warning about concocting whimsically. Srila Prabhupada defines preaching.
“So if you are actually, perfectly carrying out the orders of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, then you are preaching. Otherwise you will do wrongly, mislead. Don’t do that. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah . If you remain blind, don’t try to lead other blind men. That is misleading. First of all open your eyes. Everything is there. Nobody can do anything whimsically. If you do whimsically, concoctedly, that will be failure. It will not be effective.
(Conversations with Srila Prabhupada, 2 May, 1976, Fiji):
Srila Prabhupada warns about proceeding on the wrong platform.
What will be the result of the wrong platform?
“So, on the wrong platform you may go-go forward more and more-but it will be dismantled, because it is wrong.” Lecture 6-5-74
Srila Prabhupada warns about contradictory philosophy.
DISCIPLE: One day they say one thing. One day they say something else.
PRABHUPADA: That means rascal. Room Conversation 2-23-75
Srila Prabhupada explains how will questions be answered?
Every one of you must regularly read our books at least twice, in the morning and evening, and automatically all questions will be answered. (Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada explains how will questions be answered?
Every one of you must regularly read our books at least twice, in the morning and evening, and automatically all questions will be answered. (Srila Prabhupada
Letter to Randhira, 24/01/70)
What will be the result of the wrong platform?
“So, on the wrong platform you may go-go forward more and more-but it will be dismantled, because it is wrong.” Lecture 6-5-74
DISCIPLE: One day they say one thing. One day they say something else.
PRABHUPADA: That means rascal. Room Conversation 2-23-75
“If you cannot express, if you do not understand. Simply people wants jugglery of words, they don’t want substance. They don’t want substance. That is the difficulty in the mod…, in the present age.”
Lectures: Philosophy Discussions: Discussions with Hayagriva dasa: Karl Marx
It is interesting to note that Rupanuga dasa did not challenge the following article when Sridhar Maharaja was exposed.
It is interesting to note that Rupanuga dasa did not challenge the following article when Sridhar Maharaja was exposed.
http://www.harekrsna.com/.../edi.../12-07/editorials2250.htm
This article covers proof of the Ritvik initiation system of formality and the six accompanying articles in depth:
This article covers proof of the Ritvik initiation system of formality and the six accompanying articles in depth:
Jaya Srila Prabhupada
HAREKRSNA.COM
The Sampradaya Sun - Independent Vaisnava News - Editorials - February 2009
PADA: Rupanuga was the GBC "liaison" that Sulochana was talking to in 1986, and I was present on a number of these phone exchanges. Rupanuga ultimately took the side of Kirtanananda and he said Sulochana is committing grievous offense to an advanced devotee. Then Rupanuga helped have Sulochana excommunicated and Kirtanananda re-established as "the leader of the greatest and most advanced Krishna consciousness project on earth."
HAREKRSNA.COM
The Sampradaya Sun - Independent Vaisnava News - Editorials - February 2009
PADA: Rupanuga was the GBC "liaison" that Sulochana was talking to in 1986, and I was present on a number of these phone exchanges. Rupanuga ultimately took the side of Kirtanananda and he said Sulochana is committing grievous offense to an advanced devotee. Then Rupanuga helped have Sulochana excommunicated and Kirtanananda re-established as "the leader of the greatest and most advanced Krishna consciousness project on earth."
Sulochana said, these guys (Rupanuga) have painted a bulls-eye on my back, they will come to kill me now. And Sulochana was right, they did paint a bulls-eye on his back, because a few months later, he was dead. Yes, Rupanuga was supposed to save us from these false gurus, instead he became their number one vociferous advocate, apologist, cheer leader, and "shastric defender."
And the result has been, devotees were systematically banned, beaten, molested, sued and sometimes assassinated, and Rupanuga has been the chief apologist for this group all along and he still is. OK, cut to the chase, he has a lot of vaishnava's blood on his hands. ys pd
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JD: Srila Prabhupada specifically tells his leaders ... do not go to the Gaudiya Matha. And! Do not go to Sridhara. He made a false guru program in 1936. It will kill our ISKCON movement ... just like it killed our guru's movement in 1936.
ReplyDeleteDissent in Gaudiya Matha was stopped by murders. We will also have maybe the suicide of the guru with poison ... just like them. We cannot have the same thing ... so many devotees will suffer, most will leave, some will die. We will have empty buildings only.
And then again ... Rupanuga was an older person from New York beginning. You mean he did not know some of these people were homosexuals? How did he not know?
Same old story. God tells Adam and Eve ... whatever you do ... never eat from this poison apple tree. It is dangerous poison. You will die. And Adam a.k.a. Mr. Rupanuga dasa ... starts cutting up apple pieces from that poison tree ... and handing his apple pieces out ... all over the ISKCON society. Here ... we were told not to eat from this poison tree ... but who cares for that instruction? I am smarter than guru and God! ... I am giving you a new instruction.
Take pieces of the poison tree's apples ... eat as much as you like ... and give it to your families. Nice! Criminals ... pedophiles ... narcissistic maybe psychopaths ... posing as gurus program ... for your family and children! Yum yum! Eat it up! And die.
OK, explains everything doesn't it? Rupanuga thought he was smarter than guru and God. It is poison ... but eat it anyway. And die. So Rupanuga is responsible for creating ... enabling all this. He was the behind the scene operator making all this happen ... the banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing by propping up the whole empire of death. Take this poison apple ... and eat it. What could go wrong? Rupanuga still has no idea how much death and destruction his demoniac guru system has caused ... because he is somewhat a narcissistic psychopath himself ... they never understand what suffering they cause others.
Never mind he has taken many thousands or maybe millions of people's souls away from the path to God ... which makes these people killers of the souls of others. I should feel sorry for their free ride to the bottom of the universe ... but ... I don't. They need to go where they cannot cause more damage and death to others.
Almost forgot to mention ... Rupanuga's glorious "gurus" are giving Srila Prabhupada something which he says ... is giving him poison. And Rupanuga was promoting these Judas people as gurus ... he is on the wrong side ... all there is to it. He better wake up and repent and apologize now. That is the only thing he can do to save his own soul ... even partially ... now. Trusting the Rupanugas ... and they let in the wolves to count the hens ....
LS: As things look right now there is no such thing as "My own diksha guru also ‘fell down’". This so-called "called fall down" is a controlled process to dissolve the local community of devotees and transfer the ownership structure of the local properties and bank accounts to the international GBC Society of W. Bengal Inc. Whenever a yatra is crashed they have kind of a "crashed yatra commissioner" showing up on the scene to "help the traumatized devotees with advanced knowledge". Usually this is Ravindra Svarup who is flown in to "pacify the betrayed devotees". After Ravindra's performance the GBC lawyers then do all the paperwork to change the properties from temple congregation property into International GBC Society Inc properties.
ReplyDelete[PADA: Yep, Prahladananda, BB Govinda, Gunagrahi, Rupanuga, Ravindra, Trivrikrama, Satsvarupa, GBC Sridar swami, Hari Sauri, Bhakti Chaitanya swami and others have been part of the "fire brigade." When their molester messiah's gurus fall down -- they go in there to "put out the fire" and patch things up.
And that generally means -- make sure the local temples are more under the legal control of the pedophile messiah's headquarters in W. Bengal. That is correct. So (A) empty out the temples, and (B) get Hindus to take over and sign onto the temple's boards of directors, and (C) get everyone to send funds to Mayapur. That way the molester messiah's headquarters always ends up on top.
M Dasi was telling me how Rupanuga has been making people (especially children) eat food -- first of all offered to -- and blessed by his pedophile messiahs club. She agreed, this is how witches used to put evil spells on people. The witch would cast a spell on their food first of all -- and infect them with the spell by making them eat contaminated and cursed food.
She thinks that was Rupanuga's program the whole time, contaminate people by making them eat contaminated food offered to pedophiles. And she thinks it is working good for them, people are still worshiping pedophiles like Lokanath swami. They contaminated the whole society by getting people into eating their pedo-phile-ized food. She is right.
ys pd
RE Rupanuga Dasa Writes Wrongs (Update)
ReplyDeleteDear PADA
They didn't appoint gurus for the benefit of the new devotees. They needed legal heirs of the global ISKCON properties. According to Prabhupada's Direction of Management all the properties were owned by the local temple congregations who had registered their temple decentralized as an independent entity. So they needed the term "successor acarya" in order to have the GBC gurus as the new owners of all these temples and farms that were bought or donated by the temple congregations. When gurus were falling down they sent Ravindra Svarup to that yatra and he managed the properties to be turned into GBC Society Inc. properties. So it was all about getting control and ownership of the properties.
[PADA: Yep, this was a money and property grab. No question. They wanted control of the assets, and so they drove off all the Prabhupada devotees so they could have their own people as signers on the assets. And they poisoned Prabhupada in order to complete their deed. ys pd]