ISKCON GBC -- Knew Or Didn't?

PADA: This always amazes me. We are systematically banned, beaten, exiled, chased with baseball bats, sued, harassed, blocked, had our papers ripped up a festivals, sometimes us "dissenters" are assassinated -- and then we were told by several big leaders to sue them in court for the molesting (which happened with a $400,000,000 lawsuit). And then the GBC folks keep saying "we did not know the extent" of what we have been complaining about? Umm, what? How does that make any sense? Even the general public knew in 1980 that Berkeley temple was a criminal operation posing as a religion, because the temple had been raided by a SWAT team for stolen credit cards, stealing vehicles, selling illegal guns, Hansadutta had a machine gun in the trunk of his car, Hansadutta had been spotted many times at local liquor shops buying peppermint schnaps, a pile of C-4 explosives was found at the farm (next to a hot wood stove), a child had been shot through the hand by Hansadutta's wild shooting around the farm, etc. and so on, and this was in all the newspapers? The GBC "did not know" -- but everyone else did know? And one GBC man told me, "we know more than you ever will know, you only know the tip of the iceberg." Sorry, they "know" and they know more than me. ys pd

GD: The child who was shot is my older sister. She wasn’t shot by Hansadutta but by another devotee who was cleaning a gun and it discharged and the bullet went through a wall where my sister was outside looking at a bee sting on her hand. The bullet went through her hand and her shoulder and then through the wall behind her (she was standing in between two trailers). The gun was a .357 Magnum which my dad hung on to for years afterwards.

PADA: Yep ok, cleaning a loaded gun, that is going to end well! The cow that was shot when a bullet came down into the neighbor's cow was from Hansadutta, or whom? And the guy who was arrested for the C-4 said that it was being stored by a hot stove and he had said - not do to that. 

I also helped save Hansadutta from being killed when the husband of one of the ladies he was having sex with wanted to go kill him. Basically, all the Berkeley cops knew this was a criminal program, and they were very upset when I later refused to go into FBI witness protection and move to Kansas. The police told me "these guys are going to kill you." Meanwhile, the kids were being told Hansadutta is a pure devotee and they have to worship him to go back to God. That is child abuse in itself "corrupting the morals of minors." ys pd

SD: The GBC members involved in the original investigation in 1993 had drastically minimized the details, to the point where Tamohara said it was almost unrecognizable from what actually happened. There were 7 people on the original 1993 sub-committee to investigate Lokanath's child molestation. That means that 20 some members on the GBC did not know about the details.

TB: PADA, I'm sorry, but I know people you lived with out here in Berkeley and they have told me that you're just straight up lying on so many of these things. Hansadutta did some bad, but he's the only one of the 11 to ask forgiveness and preach Rtvik. You took part in the Gopi Bhava club, but constantly cry about Srila Naryana Maharaj, when he is who helped you guys down there in LA with that.

[PADA: OK almost none of us even knew who Narayan Maharaja was in the 1970s. He only emerged later when he became the rasika teacher of the GBC, mainly in the 1980s. Your pal Hansadutta was also going to Sridhara Maharaja all along up to maybe 1985, and Hansadutta and Sridhara were introducing the idea that conditioned souls can become acharyas. You are confusing me with your party. The sahajiyas make artificial gurus.] 

TB: Some of the things you are saying are true yes he was involved in some criminal activity but at least he wasn't raping children like the other 11 now I have to question why you focus on the one who is asked for forgiveness and he preached Rtvik, which you say you follow. Why aren't you going after the other 11 at all? The ones who really molested kids it seems you're just so upset about what happened to you

PADA: But Hansadutta was supporting the regime that was abusing children? I did not hit you, my stick did? And Hansadutta was having sex with followers, which Srila Prabhupada says is like a father having incest with his own daughter. In other words, it is a form of rape. Why are you excusing incestuous rapes could be the real question? In 1986 Hansadutta declared that Kirtanananda is the only pure devotee on the planet and everyone needs to go to New Vrndavana. 

And lest we forget, that is what the GBC ilk said all along "you are a liar." Notice, none of them came into Dallas court, including Hansadutta, or Narayan Maharaja who was hanging out in Texas with Tamal, when we had them sued and "proved" I was a liar? 

Hansadutta was having sex with a number of followers. According to Srila Prabhupada, a guru having sex with a follower is the same as a father having sex with his daughter. Hansadutta was going to be killed by his own disciple for having sex with the wife of a follower. I saved his life by helping stop that husband from killing him. And you want to discuss gopi bhava? 

And then Hansadutta sent all of his people to New Vrndavana, and he sent back three of his guys to Berkeley to "take care of me." He would have had me killed, except the police were tapping their phones and they arrested the Hansadutta goondas -- and they did come here to "get me" because they admitted that to the police after they were arrested. 

Sorry, Hansadutta was an ISKCON leader. It is his job as a leader to look after all of ALL of the children everywhere in the society. Instead, he sent even Berkeley's children to worship Kirtanananda, and have them embroiled in the New Vrndavana mess. I am upset with what happened to myself? Well maybe, but also upset what happened to the children, and Hansadutta was making children worship deviants, including himself. 

That is not ONLY me being upset with what happened to me, but I should not be upset with what happened to me also? Why should I be happy being chased with baseball bats? Yep, all the people who said I am a liar enabled this whole mess, even the police told me that. ys pd

GP: #transparency is key

TB: PADA Bro, I know so many people who have known you since you joined the movement, people you have lived with. You aren't gonna get over on me. Nice goal post moving, can you discuss anything without employing logical fallacies? 

You didn't cry about Srila Narayana Maharaja when he taught you about such things, and you were in the Gopi Bhava club. What someone else did, doesn't make what you did go away. You're a liar, and a coward. Why couldn't you ever protect yourself, but had to call the cops constantly? 

[PADA: OK so I was being threatened with death, and thus -- should have not sought police protection. Because, you guys are going to protect me instead? Sorry, you guys could not do anything to save me, the cops had to do that job. Meanwhile devotees are being banned, beaten, molested, sued and assassinated -- because none of you guys wanted to call the cops. Nice job there! OK lets us allow people to be banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed, but we should not call in law enforcement to help the problem? OK that is how you guys ilk enable these problems, and still are.]

You talk about Kshatriyas so much, so why don't YOU stand up?

[PADA: How come me, or someone else, has to stand up and be a kshatriya, but not you? When are you going to stand up and fix things? Why does everyone want to volunteer me for the job? Hee hee! Where are you standing up and fixing things, send me a video of you doing that, and we will post it.]

TB: You are just trying to get fame for yourself, using kids who were hurt, like you really cared about them. Tell me, if you did, why did you do absolutely nothing to help any? You didn't care about any of those kids, it's clear. You've always made lies. You didn't sue ISKCON yourself. So much of what you've said is a provable lie.

[PADA: OK well at least we did something. I still cannot see what you have done all along, or are doing now? And! Satya called me and wrote to me to promote and publish her story. And then she thanked me for helping her (and we posted her thank you letter on our site). 

She did not call you, and I would argue, she probably has no idea who you are even. You are an armchair warrior, trying to advise the other warriors, but even Satya is a better warrior than you, she came out and did something. She has stood up to fight more than you, everyone knows about her battling the bad guys, no one even heard of your battle? 

We have also posted hundreds of other ISKCON victims letters over the years, and many victims thanked me for giving them a voice. My sites are full of hundreds of testimonies from victims who -- wrote me -- sent me their story -- to give them a voice. And many of them thanked me for giving them a voice, and we keep getting more and more testimonies even today to publish all the time. First of all, show us how you are doing something similar in helping victims -- then we can compare from there. 

And as far as calling me "a liar," that is what the Dallas courts told me is the process that -- enables child abuse. Now you are advising we should allow crimes and not call the police constantly. OK and that is how all these crimes have been going on left, right and center, no one called the cops. And you are still giving people that advice, same advice Hansadutta gave, avoid the police? That enabled all these crimes .... includes molesting. ys pd

TB: Why don't you get her to come testify then? 

[PADA: Why don't you do something, or get others to get something done? Why are you always volunteering me to do everything, while you guys don't do anything even noticed on the radar.]

TB: It's the only thing that's gonna really get him gone. I stood up against him at the Ratha Yatra. Look you can talk about stuff all you want, but when you are a hypocrite a bunch, don't expect to not get called out. Just like with your hatred of the Traditional lines, you didn't mind quoting Narayana Maharaj there...

[PADA: Oh yeah. I should depend on the parivar tradition Gaudiya lines, the people like you, that wanted me to allow all the banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinations to take place without me calling the cops. Why would I follow anything you folks have to say on any topic? I'd be dead following this advice for starters. Without back up from the police, I'd be dead a long time ago. How does that fix things?] 

I'm saying a man should handle his business himself and not run away to the cops. What did it do? Nothing... it stopped absolutely nothing. Sometimes a man has to break the secular laws to fix a problem, Srila Prabhupada said that even. I'm all for calling the cops for abuse. Once again please don't employ goal post moving. Using logical fallacies is abusive, and not a quality of a devotee...

PADA: Wait? I am supposed to allow children to be molested, without getting help from the police in my efforts to expose the molesting? Just like we helped Satya expose hers? I disagree. We should seek help, either from the police or anyone else who can assist -- to give the victims a voice, as we have done all along. 

And that is why there are hundreds of victim's accounts on our sites, including Satya's. Others who have exposed the molesting also got threatened, and we advised them to seek help from the police as well. 

In any case, we have published testimonies from probably hundreds of victims on our sites over the years, including Satya's, and that has had a lot of impact on a lot of people. I was just on a conference call with maybe 350 devotees from around the world, and they were asking all kinds of good questions, including, "what about the child molesting"? 

Sorry, there are a lot of people being impacted by all this and our readership is steadily increasing on all these issues, our conference call audience is growing, and so on. My policy is to give a voice to the victims, and it is helping the situation by -- educating people. Telling people to not go to the police when they are being threatened with violence is simply not a good policy in my opinion, rather -- a devotee has the right to defend himself by whatever means they can obtain, including help from the police, and we advise others to do the same. I am also currently being consulted on a few other professional books being written now as we speak, and I am helping a college student write a paper on this topic etc. 

So people are interested and it is having an impact. Hansadutta had a policy of telling his people not to call the police, that is not mine, and that is why I am alive to tell the tale. The police arrested the GBC hit man who was "doing surveillance" on me, because the police were "doing surveillance" on him -- which is why I am now alive to even have this discussion. 

Now you know why I cannot take shelter of your Gaudiya Parivar Line, they have no practical idea how to deal with all this. Worse, the idea I should not get help from the police is a fatal idea, the people following that advice -- will very likely die. Neither does that solve the issue of all the crimes going on. 

ys pd

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Dear GBC members,
As you are discussing Lokanath's child molestation case, I wanted to share some relevant information.

This is testimony from a man who was on padayatra as a child with Lokanath.
"in 1995 after leaving the 4 dharm yatra padayatra team. I told a friend that I was sexually assaulted by two devotees on the team. she informed lokanath maharaj of what I'd told her and in response he bribed me 2500 rupees for silence. statting that I would damage srila prabhupads legacy's if I mentioned it to anyone. this is the first time since then I've said anything."

Earlier, in 1993, this man's sister was on padayatra and was sexually assaulted by one of Lokanath's disciples. When she told the disciple that she was going to tell his guru Lokanath, he laughed in her face. From the woman:

"I was molested on Padayatra and told my dad how his disciple said Lokanath would protect him, and the abuser had done worse to others."

I have shared this information with the ISKCON Child Protection Office. Both brother and sister are willing to cooperate with an investigation.
Would this 1990 GBC Resolution be applicable?

"h) The local GBC man (or men) are directly responsible to implement the measures outlined above. Should the GBC Body find a GBC man or other ISKCON manager responsible for suppressing or covering-up complaints of child abuse, or supporting intimidation of those who might complain, the GBC man shall be open to censure or probation, and the ISKCON manager shall be open to appropriate disciplinary action." https://gbc.iskcon.org/1990
Thank you,
SD

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PADA: Mukunda Maharaja was the GBC's liaison on the phone with me and Sulochana over the New Vrndavana molesting program. Mukunda sided with Kirtanananda and in March 1986 he helped have Sulochana formally excommunicated and branded as a person "making offenses to a great Vaishnava like Kirtanananda." And Sulochana said "they painted a bull's eye on my back, they will kill me now." And a few months later, Sulochana was assassinated. I was with Sulochana a number of times on these phone calls to Mukunda Maharaja. Mukunda Maharaja also avoided my letters of complaints about the child molesting -- all along. He was getting constant letters and reports of all types of problems being sent to him all the time, and his secretary said he just tossed those complaint letters in the trash, saying "I have a career to protect." ys pd

RSD: Bloody hell! That's a horrible thing to have to read. I don't doubt anything you say. What I struggle with is these devotees have had the intimate association with Srila Prabhupad, followed the programme, chanted their rounds, eaten Prasad etc... How is it that they can't see the error of their ways? I find it dumbfounding and makes me question so much.

G Pd: Yes, really these things happened, I was there I knew these people, who knows why, may be they were under the threat of death or something, but all this bad stuff happened, all the older devotees and children know about or experianced this stuff. Its like this can you believe the local priest in your local church is doing very bad life changing things to young boys, we see this happening in the news and people going to jail for it, it happens in iskcon too, why not, it is the material world after all.