Ritviks and GBC -- Both Bad! // Kirtanananda is Jesus update (Henry) 11 06 25

PADA: I used AI to translate one of  Yasoda's Hindi Lullaby songs.

I dunno, I kinda like it. 

YASHODA SINGS KRISHNA TO SLEEP

Sleep, my little Krishna, moonlight on your face,

Your curls like clouds, your breath a gentle grace.

Butter thief, flute prince, darling of my heart,

Even gods bow low when your leelas start.

Close your lotus eyes, the stars will keep watch,

Cows are resting, and the night is soft as swatch.

No more chasing calves or dancing on the floor,

Tonight you’re just my child, not the world’s adored.

Your anklets tinkle tales of joy and play,

But hush now, my Kanha, let dreams lead the way.

Yamuna flows quiet, Gokul sleeps in peace,

In my arms, your mischief finds its sweet release.

Sleep, my little Krishna, cradle of the skies,

Tomorrow you’ll charm the world with your surprise.

But now, just be my son, my joy, my light—

Sleep, my little Krishna, through this sacred night.

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RITVIKS AND GBC ARE THE SAME?

PADA: This devotee MD says the ritviks are bogus because they have "the habit" of promoting and worshiping the pure devotee. ??? He says the ritviks need to "break their habit." Yep however, worship of the pure devotee is the only road (habit) to Vaikuntha for us conditioned souls. And if we stop our habit of going on that road, that means, we stay here and suffer. In short, there is no second option.

OK, and we should do what instead then? Have the habit of helping the GBC's habit of promoting false gurus? I have no idea why promoting the worship of a pure devotee is a bad habit? We have this problem a lot with various devotees, well jeepers prabhu, the GBC is wrong to promote false gurus, BUT the ritviks are equally bogus for promoting bona fide gurus. OK! Which means what? We have to accept MD as our authority, and worship -- no named anyone? Sour grapes? 

Kaliasa Chandra does the same basic thing. Well sure, the GBC and the ritviks are both bogus. Great suff! So who do we worship instead now? Kailasa Chandra? He never names whom else should be worshiped and neither does MD. 

Worship of no one is called mayavada. Sorry, worship of pure devotees is an eternal process. For example, the lower stages of devotees worship the higher stages of devotees called the Gopis. And the lower stages Gopis worship the higher stages Gopis, and they all worship Radharani and so on and so forth. 

The process of worship of pure devotees is a habit which never ends, even when we are liberated, we will STILL be offering respects to the higher Vaishnavas. And if we do not follow this process -- then we have to stay here and suffer. 

MD: Don't replace "initiated" with "realized." They're different words. Speaking of yoga, one doesn't become a yogi simply by reading books. Theory without practice is dead. Diksa is precisely the beginning of practice.

PADA: A person who reads the books is getting divyam jnanam, or diksha, that is why Srila Prabhupada said just by reading my books they are initiated. I became a devotee, and so did thousands of other people, by reading the books. And by reading the books we connect with Krishna, and connecting with God is called Yoga, and that makes the people who read his books yogis. 

Of course that does not mean everyone will realize Krishna, some will and some will not, but the books are a starting point. Yes, so we are giving people the books, and that makes us a type of guru, called shiksha guru, we are presenting the books and that helps them link to Krishna. 

That does not mean we can give diksha, absorb their sins, and elevate them to Krishna loka, but we are pointing the way, also known as vartma pradarsaha guru, one who shows the way. A person who shows the way can be a neophyte layman, he does not need to be fully realized. ys pd

MD: Diksa is the beginning of action or the launching of the process of sadhana, which should lead the practitioner to prema. What's the point of simply reading if you don't do what's written? "I've become a devotee"—where does this pride come from? 

Today you're a devotee, and tomorrow you're no longer one. This requires reaffirming your qualifications every day. I repeat: a yogi is not someone who simply reads books and does nothing for Krishna or what He wants or needs at the moment or pretends to serve in a hypocritical manner. Why do you argue with this when your very actions confirm what I'm saying? You're fighting enemies, once your Godbrothers, who also read books, and what became of them?

PADA: We are giving people the books, ever since I joined in 1970. Then they get the divyam jnanam from the books. Then they get deities, offer their food, and do service, such as distributing the books to others. This has happened thousands of times. I never said people should only read the books and not do service? 

We have to read the books, imbibe the jnanam, and then employ the knowledge. That was always the process all along, and it has not changed. The process all along is to give people the books, and then try to help them move further into the process, and we are. Our people are printing books, distributing books, making devotees, making temples, distributing prasadam, and that is the process all along. 

I do not understand what process you are trying to promote? But yeah, just because people read a book at one time -- that does not automatically mean they understood it. Just like there are thousands of students reading surgery books, all of them are reading in the same class, but only a few of them pass the exam and become certified brain surgeons. I am thus not saying that reading a book automatically means the readers understood it. They may or may not. 

The 1936 Gaudiya Matha people also read the books, but mostly failed later, except for a few. That means not everyone understands the books, but many of our people do, and they are preaching and doing good things. And we are helping them. But yeah, I never said a devotee should read the books and do nothing, that is not at all what me and our friends are doing, we are doing lots of things. 

Srila Prabhupada also had to fight with his God brothers, so what? That is what happens in the material world, and you are also fighting with your God brothers yourself. It does not change anything from the original process. You are right, Srila Prabhupada fought with his God brothers, I fought mine, and you are fighting yours, welcome to the material world. Are you saying I should have compromised with them? Let's hope not!

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

PADA: The truth is that I read the books, and therefore did not die from horrible diseases from eating cows -- like my parents whole generation did. And their generation now has to take birth as cows in a meat factory, and so would I have done the same. The books saved my life, this life, and 100,000 future lives. 

When Krishna is on the planet, many nice and blissful things happen, and many not so nice things happen, like millions of people die in giant wars, that is the nature of the material world. That means not everyone could apply His teachings, in fact not many did. 

Again, 100,000 people all enter the medical school, but only five of them become brain surgeons -- the others do not. That is not because of faulty medical books, it means not everyone can apply the books. I think you are confusing reading the books, and applying the books, not the same process. 

But you are exposing the GBC, and so am I, we are doing the same thing, educating people. That is my service to Krishna and it is self evident also yours. You are doing a good job of it. Blaming the teaching of Krishna and the books is what the GBC does, so we should not go on their same road. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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HENRY DOKTORSKI III

November 6, 1985: On this date in history 40 years ago, the author sings “Jaya Jagad Guru Srila Bhaktipada” in the RVC temple (the first time ever) and Bhaktipada wakes in Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh after ten days in coma from a serious head injury (attempted murder by Michael Shockman).
One of Bhaktipada’s followers, Yogadeva [Dave Martin], happened to be at Allegheny General Hospital soon after Bhaktipada woke up from his coma. 

Yogadeva remembered:

I visited Bhaktipada at the hospital right after he came out of his coma. I was really worried about him. Radhanath took me to the hospital and he [Bhaktipada] came out of the coma. Everybody came in. He was in a daze, really groggy and out of it, and suddenly someone said, “Here’s Yogadeva to see you, Bhaktipada.”
He raised his head, his eyes and gaze was so intense, he had just come out of the coma. I started to cry. I didn’t know what to say. What do you say to someone who’s almost been murdered? I started crying.

Then Bhaktipada said, “If it took this to bring you to love of Krishna, then it was worth it.” That just devastated me to no end. I was blown away. I heard that the spiritual master accepts the karma of his disciples and suffers from their sins, and even though I wasn’t officially initiated, I had accepted Bhaktipada as the guru in my heart. He had suffered for me, just like Jesus Christ suffered for his followers. 

I couldn’t stop crying. Bhaktipada loved me so much.

Photo: 26-year-old Hrishikesh leading kirtan with Bhaktipada and godbrothers in Bhaktipada's suite, Juhu Beach ISKCON, Bombay, probably March 1982.

PS In the recording, I think I hear a voice which sounds like Devamrita Swami. 

Does anyone else hear his voice?

For more about this topic, see “Gold, Guns and God,” Vol. 6, p. 205.

PADA: Yep, when Kirtanananda was whacked on the head, all sorts of people, including Satsvarupa, said he is suffering like Haridas Thakura, Prahlad Maharaja and Jesus. And many other people told me Hansadutta has headaches because "he took our sins." 

Sorry, this is all highly inflated titles given to fallen and conditioned souls. None of these people can absorb sins like Jesus. And Satsvarupa folks told me his headaches are from taking sins. These GBC guru people are being compared to Jesus, told ya! ys pd