Espana News / Faith in What? / Empty LA Japa 11 05 25

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It is said that Srila Prabhupada was physically murdered by Tamal Krishna and that his spiritual legacy, his books, were then massacred by Jayadwaita. Two infiltrators that killed him and his movement. Subsequently, countless other "disciples" usurped the post of guru with posing as acharyas, ruining Srila Prabhupada's movement further.

Radhanath has changed the line of preaching of the movement with his speeches devoid of Krishna philosophy -- and instead new age slogans; Jayapataka created a molesting of children sect within ISKCON at Mayapur, undermining Srila Prabhupada's authority by standing as the "spiritual father" and the "godfather" of the mafia in Mayapur; Hridayananda intellectualized and Westernized too much Bhakti; people like Bhavananda, Bhakti Vidyapurna and other similar monsters ruined the gurukulas (under GBC authority). Due to Bhakti Sundar's bad example, pornography is now accepted as private entertainment; Giriraj patented immunity to commit sexual indecency; etc.

The list of untruths, offenses and offenders against Srila Prabhupada is too long to produce here and reaches to the leadership of India, who have introduced racism and ultra nationalism to the ISKCON international vaisnava movement that Srila Prabbupada founded. Formerly ISKCON was totally inclusive to shelter people from all over the globe, under the universal ideals of Mahaprabhu, but now is only preaching to indigenous people of India.

How much damage and pain has been caused to Srila Prabhupada by changing the lines of his movement. This is how "followers" try to kill acharya.

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FAITH IN WHAT?

PADA: That was my original point in 1979. I asked the GBC, why are we teaching the children to worship falling down and intoxicated people who are offering LSD to the shalagram? The GBC answered by citing BR Sridhara Maharaja saying that I was "destroying the sraddha (faith) of the sisyas" -- by challenging (the worship of intoxicated and falling people). 

Gaura Govinda Maharaja told me essentially the same thing, he cannot challenge the GBC, rather he has to cooperate, tolerate and work with the GBC. Self evidently he has faith in promoting their illicit sex with men, women and children as God's guru successors process.

 

OK why are we telling our ISKCON children to "have faith" in worshiping intoxicated and falling down people? Well prabhu "it is the tradition"? The tradition of what? And all of those children eventually exited the society and many of them now hold a giant grudge against the society, which is exactly what I said would happen. Yep, Gaura Govinda Maharaja told me my idea of worshiping a pure devotee, and not homosexuals and pedophiles, is "not in the tradition." The tradition of what?

I said in 1979, these children cannot be forced to worship conditioned souls, or they will become disillusioned with the society, and they did. We cannot tell people to have faith in worshiping hokey messiahs and expect a good result, there never is a good result. There is no Vedic "tradition" of teaching little children to "have faith" in worshiping hokey messiahs. There is in fact just the opposite, many injunctions and warnings NOT to have that going on in a religion society. 

I tell people -- including some ISKCON children -- to have faith in Srila Prabhupada, and many have had that faith -- for their whole lives, while their peers have had a variety of hokey messiahs falling down left, right and center -- sometimes being re-initated several times and etc and then -- leaving altogether. We should expect such a result. What are we teaching people to have faith in, in the first place? ys pd

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THE ISKCON CHILDREN HAD CHOICES?

PADA: Many ex-children told me they never had any choice in their situation, the society crammed the worship of falling down and sometimes intoxicated people into the lives of these children, and they were never asked if they wanted to worship falling and intoxicated people, they were forced to. Children need the freedom to choose their own guru worship process, and if someone would have asked them if they wanted to worship fallen, lusty and intoxicated people when they were teen agers, they probably would have refused. OK they would have refused. Neine danke! 

But they were told they had to do that when they were only five, when they had no ability to discriminate -- or choose -- that worship of bogus people is good or bad. They simply were forced to follow the elders and leaders -- who forced them into that bogus system of worship. They should have first of all been educated on the process, i.e. we only worship the pure person, then when they were 18 we could ask them if they wanted to worship lusty and intoxicated people, then they would have had a say in their lives. 

Clearly -- they were not given these choices. So that is what victims tell me, all this was crammed onto us, we were never consulted or educated on what choices should or should not be made. We have had no freedom in this issue, because we were young children. And when we finally got to be young adults and had the freedom, we left en masse. We have no faith in the entire GBC process of forcing children to worship debauchees and degraded people. Why would they? ys pd

JAPA TIME LOS ANGELES TEMPLE

PADA: Thanks for this photo RMD. Yes, the LA temple used to be crowded with Western people all chanting at morning JAPA time. Now we got this one lone straggler guy there. Yup. It is truly amazing how many people have abandoned ISKCON. And it is getting worse, now some of the Hindu congregation people who were coming to ISKCON had H1 Visas -- and their Visas are being yanked and cancelled by the government. 

You are right, this photo says it all. Svavas wants people to worship Jayapataka, head honcho of the illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs project, and people are saying "nay nay." Sulochana said the LA temple is not advanced enough to worship a bucket of dog turds, because a bucket of dog turds does not ban, beat, molest, sue and kill Vaishnavas, so they are not advanced enough to worship dog turds. He is right. ys pd 

Even the kids know this is not a good situation.

For sure the adults know by now.

Notice that the religion head is to the right.

Yeah, he knows too.

Sending the wounded back into battle.

This is not a good situation, full stop period.