Madhusudana Dasa Russia: You don't know Sanskrit well, and that's why it's funny. Sva in this case isn't translated as "in and of itself," but refers to something personal, something one's own. For example, "sva-print" is one's own seal, a personal imprint, not something the printer prints on its own, and so on.
This "Prabhupada said" thing again. Where are the quotes? I don't take your word for it.
Either you back up every word with quotes, or this is just trolling. I'm not angry, I'm laughing at you. You're like ordinary old men who constantly talk and can't stop, spouting nonsense and fabrications. And the constant "Prabhupada said." Prabhupada said that I am a ritvik king.
And study what sva means and how it's translated. So it doesn't just sound like kva-kva. You just need to become a little more linguistically literate. We have sva, and you only have kva. Kva-kva.
PADA: We already know what the sanskrit of sva-diksha means, it is a mayavada idea. Read: There is no need for a guru, you are your own guru. It is very common idea among Mayavadas. But yeah, you have produced zero quotes where Srila Prahbupada recommends sva-diksha. I have to produce quotes where Srila Prabhupada condemns the mayavadas? Are you reading any of his books?
[CHAT GPT: Sva-dīkṣā refers to self-initiation — a spiritual practice where one undertakes initiation independently, without a formal guru. This concept appears in various Hindu and yogic traditions, often in contrast to guru-dīkṣā, where initiation is bestowed by a qualified teacher.
Here's a deeper look:
Meaning of Sva-dīkṣā: Sanskrit breakdown: Sva = self; dīkṣā = initiation or consecration. Definition: A form of spiritual initiation undertaken by an individual on their own, often through personal resolve, scriptural study, or inner guidance, rather than through a formal guru-disciple ceremony.]
PD: So yeah, we all know already what is means, it is a mayavada concept. Even CHAT GPT knows it is mayavada. I am linguistic enough to know sva means oneself, diksha means initiation, therefore one initiates oneself, one is one's own guru, and this is verified as I have shown and proven herein.
Meanwhile, there is no sva-diksha movement which can print and distribute books, or do anything practical, so it is more or less a phantasm that has no substance in Vaishnava circles. I am not fabricating anything, Srila Prabhupada does not recommend sva-diksha. And the mayavadas and CHAT GPT give us the exact same meaning I have already given, you are your own guru. And you want to make everyone else their own guru, and this is called mayavada.
That is not the Vedic process. You also did not answer how the books will sva-print and sva-distribute themselves either. You are avoding the whole question of how your system will function. Anyway, sva-diksha is mayavada, we knew all that all along from the 1970s.
So you are going to initiate yourself and make others initiated by themselves, and nothing will ever come of it, there is no practical effect, just like the mayavadas. You don't want a manager for the shoe store, because then he will be controlling things, ok but without a controlled organization, nothing gets done. The shoe shop has to close, there is no one to administer it.
Srila Prabhupada's vision for ISKCON emphasized the importance of manpower, land, capital, and organization in the service of Krishna. He believed that these elements were essential for the success of the movement and the spiritual upliftment of the devotees. OK there has to be a system of leaders for any organized anything. Nothing will ever come of your sva-diksha movement, it cannot organize making a cookie sale table at the flea market.
I have verified what these terms mean, and this has verified what I said in the first instance. And you have shown zero quotes where Srila Prabhupada authorizes the sva-diksha process. It is speculation and mayavada. ys pd
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Sva-diksha. Wow, quoting the mayavadas.
Srila Prabhupada says these mayavadas will glide down
to lower births -- because they reject Vedic authority,
and they artificially make themselves the authority.
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PADA: I have always wondered, what is the good outcome strategy here? We are going to blow up some people on an airplane, at the mall, sitting in a coffee shop, or in their cars in this case, and this is going to fix -- what? This is going to make people flock over to the Muslim Church and Mosque and say -- sign me up!
I love what you guys are doing for humanity!
Ummm, nope, it is going to sow distrust of the Muslim brand, and want their brand of people to be seen as potential criminals, if not potential mass murderers. It is not helping the brand, at all. Or worse, it is making people disgusted with the brand, if not frightened of the brand. OK it is not helping spread the faith, it is turning people away from it.
ISKCON has done the same essentially. The ISKCON brand has been tainted and tarnished and badly. People are not coming to join. When Harivilas presented the book Monkey On A Stick to the GBC meeting, Ravindra Swarupa took the book off the table and put it into the trash.
He said -- we do not care what the karmis think, we are Krishna devotees. Umm, we do not care what the senior devotees think, or their children, or the law enforcement folks, or the media, or the courts, and especially we do not care about the reputation of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna. Nor do we care what Srila Prabhupada has to say. We only care about supporting our illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's project, and orchestrated banning, beating, suing and killing dissenters, to save our pedophile messiah's project. That saved -- what?
Anyway now they are talking about Tehran having to evacuate:
Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian “If Tehran does not get rain by Azar [Iranian calendar month starting on 22 November], we will have to ration water. And if it still does not rain after that, we will have to evacuate the city,” the president said during his visit to the north-western Kordestan Province on November 6, according to the Entekhab.ir website.
OK but simultaneously Iran has been spending billions on weapons for the Hezbollah, Hamas and Houthi guys. And ISKCON was feeding rotting oatmeal to the school kids, but simultaneously has had a spare $100,000,000 on hand to buy Luis Vuitton suits for lawyers. Same thing, what about helping your own citizens? And how does this attract others to your cause? It doesn't, it makes it look very foolish and fanatical, and -- not a bona fide religion -- but a political manipulation cult meant to benefit a few elites.
Anyway now India will maybe eventually trace this back to Pakistan, and make another war potential. And I think that is the goal here, get everyone to blow each other up -- and we will all die in the Jihad, and then have 72 virgin girlfriends in heaven. Well maybe not. In any case, they are not helping their own cause by doing all this, and neither has ISKCON's leaders. In Kali Yuga, irreligion becomes religion, and we see that in spades.
No one is allowed to kill any other living entity for no just reason, which is why I am carefully pulling up the rocks in my garden trying not to harm the many beetles and spiders under them.
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JD: What a lot of devotees are doing now. Guru? No thanks. Institution? No need. I will be my own independent guru.
ReplyDeleteEveryone "doing their own thing." ISKCON falls down. Everyone is independent. Nothing can come together. Same here, temple is empty. Lost faith in all the big swamis. No need for any of these swamis anymore. Or institution.
I understand it, frustrated with the leaders, so now ... we will have no leaders. Anarchy? The religion dissolves into nothingness. Empty space. I am my own guru ... means, the institution cannot survive.
How will books be printed and distributed. No need for any of that ... be your own guru and let ISKCON fail. That is the result. And they will be responsible ... for making it fail.
CHAT GPT is correct, sva diksha = self diksha and that is not bona fide path to Krishna. It breaks down the institution and makes it fail.
And that is what they want, no religion program to save others. They only want to save themselves. It is the ultimate self help = selfish I, me and mine idea. They want the institutions to fail ... then no one will be able to decide if they are following or not.
Selfish me only consciousness ... but this is how the whole thing fell apart from the start ... in 1978, they wanted to care for their own self and not ISKCON. I am my own guru, there is no authority except me, it means the society fails, and they want that.
SD Dasi: We are not linguists? Not knowing sva-diksha means ... you are your own guru. In Kali Yuga ... everyone already is their own guru.
ReplyDeleteNot a change for improvement ... makes deviation bona fide. That is what Prabhupada complained ... everyone wants to be independent ... we cannot get anything done that way.
How will anything get done ... if everyone is their own guru? Nothing will get done. Fixing ISKCON needs lots of cooperating people, not all going to be our own independent gurus.
You are right, we cannot even print books unless many cooperate for that. These people do not want anything cooperating to get done. Burn it all down. It is already burnt down ... this will not fix it.
RMD: Heard all this before. Everyone can read the books ... and be their own guru. That might work ... sometimes. Don't forget! A lot of people who read the books ... also support GBC gurus. We all know what happened!
ReplyDeleteReading is good ... only if we have right motive ... and desire ... and intelligence. Not everyone does.
Madhusudana ... sva-diksha idea ... not even mentioned in the books, other than, fools and mayavada make themselves into their own guru. Srila Prabhupada never said we should do this. This means ... not reading the books.
Or! Trying to twist and concoct something made up ... out of the books ... does not exist in the books ... to make himself "the new authority." He really made himself look foolish only.
Obvious! He is not reading the books himself, there is no sva-diksha in the books. How could he help others ... when he is not following his own plan? He needs to start to read the books himself.