PADA: OK all of a sudden the BVKS people are realizing Hrdayananda is not giving the real version of the Krishna religion. Bhakti Vikas swami did not know that the whole time? What rock has he been hiding under? Hrdayananda was a huge supporter of Kirtanananda, Bhavananda, and the whole false guru crew.
He was giving me snarky evil eye looks when we were having his program sued for $400,000,000 while we were on Watseka. The founder fathers of the illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's club, that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills people has only one problem. They are "not following shastra." Ya think so!
Sorry, thousands of people were banned, some were beaten, perhaps thousands of kids were molested, ISKCON was sued into bankruptcy, some people were killed, but that is not the real issue! Anyway it looks like the finger pointing is getting more severe with them now attacking each other as the real problem, when all of them combined made this mess.
The good news is, BVKS finally realized Hrdayananda is bogus, the bad news is, it is too little too late to save their thousands of victims, the bankrupting of ISKCON, and emptying out ISKCON and making it into a ghost town. Mind you Lokanath swami said ISKCON is an empty ghost town in 1988, that means they all knew this was happening the whole time, it has only got more empty subsequently. Taking down Hrdayananda is a start, but you'd have a lot more weeds to pull before the place gets purified.
ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
Asociación Vaisnavas de España
We protect children, not predators! A call to responsibility at ISKCON.
We protect children, not predators! A call to responsibility at ISKCON.
Over the years, serious concerns have been raised about Bhakti Vikā Aa Swami (BVKS), who has given respect and honour to devotees with proven histories of child abuse, while the safety of Vaisnavas children has come to the forefront.
One example is Kripa Kara das (KKD), Australian disciple of Srila Prabhupada. In the 1990s he was convicted in court for sexually abusing two children and served a prison sentence.
One example is Kripa Kara das (KKD), Australian disciple of Srila Prabhupada. In the 1990s he was convicted in court for sexually abusing two children and served a prison sentence.
de The ISKCON Child Protection Office (CPO) imposed a lifetime restriction on him, prohibiting him from performing any service related to children. You can read the case document here:
CPO Archive: https://drive.google.com/.../1OXeRZJFXpQQ9PcgZLt4.../view...
Despite this, in January 2025, KKD travelled with children from Salem Gurukula to Jagannath Puri (25 hours), clearly breaking these restrictions. Surprisingly, BVKS presented him as an “honorable and trustworthy guest” at Salem’s ISKCON temple. 🎥 Evidence in video
Despite this, in January 2025, KKD travelled with children from Salem Gurukula to Jagannath Puri (25 hours), clearly breaking these restrictions. Surprisingly, BVKS presented him as an “honorable and trustworthy guest” at Salem’s ISKCON temple. 🎥 Evidence in video
This is not an isolated case — in the past, BVKS also defended Bhakti Vidya Purna Swami, and Kesava Bharati, other confirmed abusers.
Hare Krisna Prabhu
If I remember correctly, in this case, there is the so-called Eka diksa initiation.
But actually, it doesn't matter if the person or soul surrenders at Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet and follows his instructions or teachings, it's the same thing.
As it is written, we cannot check or assess the degree of surrender or spiritual advancement of another person or soul because we cannot see it. Srila Prabhupada says it is like eating. Only the person who is eating knows whether he is satisfied. We do not know how satisfied he is. The same is true in spiritual life.
This is Madhusudana Prabhu's share
Sva-diksa haunts PADA.
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SVA DIKSHA UPDATE
(This is just my opinion)
I have also heard or read about sva diksa, but as far as I remember, it can only be used in extreme cases. Perhaps they said at one time that Purujit Das or someone else initiated himself in this way because he couldn't find a credible person who could properly initiate him.
If I remember correctly, in this case, there is the so-called Eka diksa initiation.
But actually, it doesn't matter if the person or soul surrenders at Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet and follows his instructions or teachings, it's the same thing.
As it is written, we cannot check or assess the degree of surrender or spiritual advancement of another person or soul because we cannot see it. Srila Prabhupada says it is like eating. Only the person who is eating knows whether he is satisfied. We do not know how satisfied he is. The same is true in spiritual life.
We cannot know whether another person is properly initiated in a particular case.
Only Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krishna know this.
Only Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krishna know this.
This is Madhusudana Prabhu's share
(This is my question Why does he say that you invented the ritvik initiation system?!)
Sva-diksa haunts PADA.
Puranjana once again demonstrates either an inability or an unwillingness to understand a simple matter. He deliberately confuses an eternal principle with a specific modern system in order to present any criticism of the latter as an attack on the former.
This is dishonest.
PADA: OK well Madhusudana started talking about Krishna Kant and the ritviks idea from 20 years ago, but worship of the pure devotee did not start 20 years ago? It started trillions of years ago and the ritviks promote the trillions of years idea that has been in effect for trillions of years, worship the pure devotee.
And there were brahmana priests (ritviks) also trillions of years ago. To say that trillions of years is a modern idea is simply false. Krishna Himself associated with Sudama, a brahamana (ritvik), and this was not 20 years ago.
He seems to confuse 20 years and trillions of years over and over? There is a difference.
1. About "trillions of years" and "worship of the pure devotee." No one disputes that worship of the pure devotee is an eternal principle. I object to how he and his system embody it.
PADA: Well the idea of Srila Prabhupada is that there has to be an organized body or group of devotees all preaching the same thing, some form of international organization. In the sva-diksha idea there is no leadership or group, which means independent mavericks with no structure. That won't work.
There has to be some form of administration to manage even a small temple mandir program. There is a head or leader, there are people who help, that is always the case even if we wanted to manage a shoe store at the mall.
Eternal principle: Worship Srila Prabhupada, follow his teachings, accept him as a spiritual master.
PADA: So when Srila Prabhupada says form a GBC and organization, we do not accept?
But there needs to be people promoting and teaching his idea. This is amazing, the books will sva print themselves and sva jump into people's hands by magic. Nope, we need people to make that happen. Madhusudana never explains how the books will manifest and be distributed by their sva-self? Who will do the worship if there is no way to get them to the platform of worship?
His system: Mandatory ritual, performed by "official representatives" (ritviks), who build a hierarchy and control around it.
PADA: I never said any diksha ritual is mandatory, this is false. Krishna consciousness is voluntary and nothing can be made mandatory, nor did I ever say ritvik diksha is mandatory.
Of course Madhusudana wants a society where nothing is mandatory, so he will have a Buddhist, Satanist, Muslim, and Krishna devotee in his temple because worship of Srila Prabhupada will not be mandatory. That sounds like a zoo?
There is ZERO evidence we ever said there is a mandatory ritvik ritual at any time anywhere. We never even ask people who is their diksha guru, or even if the have one, when they write questions to PADA. We do not care about the formal ritual process, thus we never ask if they had a formal ritual or not.
Nor did we ever ask Madhusudana who is his formal diksha guru, or was he initiated or not. To say we made this mandatory is -- a lie. We said that acceptance of Srila Prabhupada as the guru is required in the Krishna religion, in that sense mandatory, but we never said that would mean mandatory formal initiation -- and he never quotes me saying that at any time.
I never, ever said any formal ritvik ritual is mandatory, and he is making this up wholesale. I did say that some people should get initiated for deity worship, that is another topic.
By criticizing GBC 2.0, I am not criticizing the principle of worshiping Prabhupada. I criticize your attempt to replace principle with a system that becomes an end in itself.
PADA: Worshiping Srila Prabhupada is GBC 2.0? No, that is the process for eternal time. Worshiping oneself as sva diksha is not even mentioned? A person cannot sva-absorb their own sins. That is false.
They need to have a connection to a pure devotee and not their sva self. There is no such thing as a person absorbing their owns sins via sva-diksha, that is not the process. Nor is sva-diksha mentioned anywhere. Nor would it work, sva absorbing one's own sins is a myth. We need to be connected to a pure devotee, either formal or informal. And the ritviks are making this happen for people.
2. About "sva-diksa" and a "recent invention."
He shouts that "sva-diksa" is a recent invention.
PADA: Yep, Srila Prabhupada never mentions where sva diksha is authorized. Where is this stated by Srila Prabhupada? It does not exist, Madhusudana invented it.
And the system of "official ritvik representatives" prescribed in the "The Final Order"—is that an eternal principle from Krsna? No, it's an administrative schedule created for the specific circumstances of 1977. He made a new eternal religion out of it.
PADA: Srila Prabhupada wanted ritvik initiations to continue for the deity pooja, and he said that, we will need initiated brahmanas for the pooja. Madhusudana does not even want to follow the order to have trained and initiated poojaris for the deities. So after 1977, we will have no brahmanas for the pooja? Where did Srila Prabhupada say there will be no more initiated poojaris?
Sorry, deities require trained and initiated people, that is the order of the acharya. Worshiping the deity with trained brahmanas is also not new, such programs have gone of for millions and trillions of years. Worshiping Krishna with brahmanas is a new arrangement? No, there are temples where brahmanas worship the deity that are thousands of years old, this is not new whatever. NOT having proper brahmanas is what is new.
"Sva-diksa" is simply a term describing the original and direct act of accepting Prabhupada as guru.
PADA: That is not what the term means, sva means oneself, and diksha means initiation, sva-diksha is self diksha and not diksha from a pure devotee. Even CHAT GPT agrees. A person cannot absorb their own sins, that is false.
This is not "mayavada," but the essence of the process, which he is trying to envelop with bureaucratic procedures.
PADA: So we should not have training for poojaris because that is bureaucratic? There has to be some standardized process for uniform deity worship in many places.
3. About "hard work" and "sva-printing" of books.
He's like a broken record. I've said it a hundred times: books are printed by devotees, not by the "ritvik system." The fact that some of these "devotees" are ritviks doesn't mean their system is the only one capable of this. Once again, he's misrepresenting the particular as the general.
PADA: But you have no "bureaucratic system" or any system for book printing, book distribution, or making temples, making devotees, or making anything else that the ritviks are doing. Nor do we see any evidence your program are doing these things.
And yes, fighting pedophilia and book falsification is noble. But that doesn't give him a monopoly on the truth or make his ritvik ideology holy.
PADA: But if there is no organized process, then there is no organized means of fighting large scale court cases and etc. Madhusudana could not take a used car salesman to court, never mind the entire ISKCON. Yeah, the ritvik ideology is that we need to organize to take on big issues. A person who cannot sue a used car salesman should not advise others on the topic of child abuse court cases.
One can simultaneously support him in exposing the GBC's crimes and criticize his dogmatic system.
PADA: But court cases can cost millions of dollars, and so can book printing, making temples etc. How are the sva-diksha maverick individuals going to raise any organized funds?
His attempts to connect the two are pure blackmail.
Bottom line: He still hasn't answered the main question: why should a living, direct connection with Prabhupada through his teachings be mediated by his system of "official representatives"?
PADA: Why should Srila Prabhupada be presented as the acharya by us as his representatives? Well because no one else will do that? We have to do that, the ordinary people will not sva get a book and sva learn the process without people giving that book and process to the people.
We cannot promote anything without our own acting as a representive of that process. We are going to have a religion, with no one representing the religion? It won't work.
We cannot even sell one shoe at our shoe store with no one representing the store? We are going to have a store with no one to represent the store? The shoes will sva sell themselves? This sound like a person who is smoking too much PCP? The shoes will sva sell themselves, no need to anyone to run the store?
Until he answers this, all his talk about "trillions of years" is simply a smokescreen to conceal the construction of a new spiritual bureaucracy. I've ended this pointless circle. My path is to delve deeper into Prabhupada's teachings and help those who seek a direct connection with him, without intermediaries who demand “official” status.
PADA: OK so he does not want us or himself to be an intermediary for Srila Prabhupada, none is needed. Srila Prabhupada will make devotees without any helpers, so what is he doing preaching on FB acting as a representative himself?
And what devotees are going to print the books, when the only people printing them now are the ritviks. Who are these non-existing book printing devotees? OK they do not exist. It is all phantasm.
Yes Srila Prabhupada said a hundred times HIS devotees will print HIS books, but Madhusudana has no devotees or printing going on? We do. He has made himself the head director of his own movement, so he is the self appointed bureau chief head of his sva-diksha process. He has made himself the bureau chief of his own movement.
He says no leaders are needed, and then he leads his own self made sva-diksha movement. And we went after the child mistreatment, but when we mention that he says this is blackmail. No, we fixed the issue at least to some extent, he did not.
He is black mailing the victims by claiming our help is not needed, the victims should sva save themselves. Sorry, telling children victims to sva save themselves is = what the GBC plan has been. It does not help victims, sorry, we have to act. And we did, he didn't.
In any case, no one has ever been able to make a religion work that has need for leaders, no one to print and give out books and train people etc. People are always needed for that, and a bureaucracy is required to organize these things, as has been ordered by the acharya.
ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
Hare Krishna.
Dear Puranjana Prabhu,
You have posted a link to a YouTube video by Vasanta. For over 30 years much of my practice has been in the area of the law of tax-exempt organizations. That Gofundme page shows the organizer as an individual, not a tax-exempt organization.
I fear that many devotees would be giving donations thinking that the funds are, in fact, going, at least indirectly, to a bonafide 501(c)(3) organization. On the website of the purported organization is a statement:
Greene, on Saturday, said in a post on X that she never thought that “fighting to release the Epstein files, defending women who were victims of rape, and fighting to expose the web of rich powerful elites would have caused this, but here we are.” The congresswoman also said later Saturday that she has been receiving threats since Trump began openly criticizing her.
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VASANTA'S GITA PRINTING PROJECT
Dear Puranjana Prabhu,
You have posted a link to a YouTube video by Vasanta. For over 30 years much of my practice has been in the area of the law of tax-exempt organizations. That Gofundme page shows the organizer as an individual, not a tax-exempt organization.
I fear that many devotees would be giving donations thinking that the funds are, in fact, going, at least indirectly, to a bonafide 501(c)(3) organization. On the website of the purported organization is a statement:
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TAX DEDUCTABLE [sic]
508(c)1(a)
Lotus Ministry is a humanitarian faith-based charity. We are defined by the IRS as a tax-exempt organization under revenue code 508(c)1(a). Our EIN is 92-1986116. Donations are tax-deductible.
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TAX DEDUCTABLE [sic]
508(c)1(a)
Lotus Ministry is a humanitarian faith-based charity. We are defined by the IRS as a tax-exempt organization under revenue code 508(c)1(a). Our EIN is 92-1986116. Donations are tax-deductible.
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https://www.lotus-ministry.org (at the bottom)
If, in fact, donations were tax-deductible, we would find that with a search on the IRS website through https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/ with that EIN - 921986116. However, this morning, I put in that EIN and the result was, "Your search did not return any results." A screenshot showing that is at https://i.vgy.me/2EMeUi.png
I fear that Vasanta may not, in fact, use the funds for charitable purposes, but, instead, for his own living expenses and may even announce soon that he was not able to reach the $25,000 goal and, therefore, he is keeping the appeal for funds up (with no assurances where the existing amount is).
If, in fact, donations were tax-deductible, we would find that with a search on the IRS website through https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/ with that EIN - 921986116. However, this morning, I put in that EIN and the result was, "Your search did not return any results." A screenshot showing that is at https://i.vgy.me/2EMeUi.png
I fear that Vasanta may not, in fact, use the funds for charitable purposes, but, instead, for his own living expenses and may even announce soon that he was not able to reach the $25,000 goal and, therefore, he is keeping the appeal for funds up (with no assurances where the existing amount is).
I believe that you would want to remove the link on your page to his YouTube video and even also publish a retraction (unless Vasanta provides to you a copy of a determination letter from the IRS that his trust is treated as a 501(c)(3) organization.)
There are some exceptions -- organizations are not required to have such a determination letter if they are:
There are some exceptions -- organizations are not required to have such a determination letter if they are:
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(A) churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches, or
(A) churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches, or
(B) any organization which is not a private foundation (as defined in section 509(a)) and the gross receipts of which in each taxable year are normally not more than $5,000.
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/508
Vasanta's website does refer to that subsection (A), but all evidence is that his trust is not a church, integrated auxiliary of a church, or a convention or association of a church. For IRS purposes, the definition of "church" is much more limited compared to the dictionary definition of the term. For IRS exemption purposes, the organization must have a public place of worship with a congregation of persons who are not related. For an extensive discussion of the issue of churches see the IRS discussions, citing court cases, starting around page 11 of https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicb03.pdf
In addition, that EIN is not shown after a search of the California Charities Registry, through https://rct.doj.ca.gov/Verification/Web/Search.aspx?facility=Y
Charitable trust registrations are done with Form CT‑1 which is available at https://tinyurl.com/y4hwfwdv and it has on the top right of page 2, "Registration with the Attorney General is required within thirty days of receipt of assets."
M dasa
Vasanta's website does refer to that subsection (A), but all evidence is that his trust is not a church, integrated auxiliary of a church, or a convention or association of a church. For IRS purposes, the definition of "church" is much more limited compared to the dictionary definition of the term. For IRS exemption purposes, the organization must have a public place of worship with a congregation of persons who are not related. For an extensive discussion of the issue of churches see the IRS discussions, citing court cases, starting around page 11 of https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicb03.pdf
In addition, that EIN is not shown after a search of the California Charities Registry, through https://rct.doj.ca.gov/Verification/Web/Search.aspx?facility=Y
Charitable trust registrations are done with Form CT‑1 which is available at https://tinyurl.com/y4hwfwdv and it has on the top right of page 2, "Registration with the Attorney General is required within thirty days of receipt of assets."
M dasa
PADA: These are all good points and many questions arise here. Yeah I don't know if Vasanta has any legally authorized charity program, and thus he and his handlers should give us a full explanation of what they are doing. In the meantime I am removing his video until we get his status resolved. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I think his heart is in the right place, but his legal status might not be. ys pd
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GOOD IDEA!
Das Goravani
Current events and issues in society, personal problems, etc., do not matter compared to developing Krishna Consciousness. Issues etc., are temporary and fleeting, and bog the soul down in mundane consciousness which leads to rebirth in the material world, again, whereas Krishna Consciousness leads to returning to our Spiritual Home which is eternal and free from suffering. One is clearly more important than the other. Krishna Consciousness has no impediments, nothing can stop it, it is simply a switch you flip inside your consciousness, turning on the desire to serve Krishna which can be as simple as chanting his names or simply remembering him.
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GOOD IDEA!
Das Goravani
Current events and issues in society, personal problems, etc., do not matter compared to developing Krishna Consciousness. Issues etc., are temporary and fleeting, and bog the soul down in mundane consciousness which leads to rebirth in the material world, again, whereas Krishna Consciousness leads to returning to our Spiritual Home which is eternal and free from suffering. One is clearly more important than the other. Krishna Consciousness has no impediments, nothing can stop it, it is simply a switch you flip inside your consciousness, turning on the desire to serve Krishna which can be as simple as chanting his names or simply remembering him.
No matter what your situation, you can engage in Krishna Consciousness. Doing so is the perfection of life. In other words, you can make your life perfect from any position, any station in life. It is not dependent on any particular material circumstances. The witch Maya, Illusion, wants us to care about mundane affairs of self, or state, etc., and be distracted from Krishna's service and remembrance.
But don't give in. Don't do it. Don't be in illusion. Your life is very temporary here and it is passing. Time is to be used to remember Krishna and perfect your love for Him. Don't waste time. It is precious in this regard. Taking birth here again is no joke, this world is fully of suffering with very little pleasure. This world is designed to push you towards God, towards Krishna. That is the purpose of suffering, to dissuade us from material attachment and to goad us towards Krishna.
The little pleasure we get from material life does not deserve all the worship we give it. All opulences flow forth from Krishna. There is so much more opulence and enjoyment in Spiritual Life actually, here and in the Spiritual World. Make it the aim of your every moment. All your moments will pass soon. Make them all full of Krishna, God. Go back home to the spiritual world after this life. So don't get caught up in Trump and all the issues. Sure, you have to perform a role in this material world, which can include a stand on the issues, but keep it a light thing.. don't let it all overwhelm you. Don't let it distract you from what is really important, which is learning to love Krishna fully. Hare Krishna.
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EPSTEIN UPATE
President Trump said he will no longer support Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, calling her “wacky” and a “traitor” to the GOP, making a dramatic break with a longtime loyalist who has increasingly criticized the president and her party’s leadership in recent weeks. The president said he’s withdrawing his endorsement of Greene and will support a primary challenge against her “if the right person runs” in her deep-red northern Georgia district.
President Trump said he will no longer support Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, calling her “wacky” and a “traitor” to the GOP, making a dramatic break with a longtime loyalist who has increasingly criticized the president and her party’s leadership in recent weeks. The president said he’s withdrawing his endorsement of Greene and will support a primary challenge against her “if the right person runs” in her deep-red northern Georgia district.
Greene, on Saturday, said in a post on X that she never thought that “fighting to release the Epstein files, defending women who were victims of rape, and fighting to expose the web of rich powerful elites would have caused this, but here we are.” The congresswoman also said later Saturday that she has been receiving threats since Trump began openly criticizing her.
PADA: Oh no pilgims, the wheels are coming off more and more.
Deep realisation in spiritual life is important as that helps us to see things as they are. pic.twitter.com/3xy5jI2gf6
— Madhu Pandit Dasa (@madhupanditdasa) November 23, 2025
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