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PADA: It is amazing to us that so many ISKCON devotees have signed up to promote the homosexual agenda, which seems to have severely impacted ISKCON in a negative way. In any case, it is illicit sex and that is not something we should be encouraging for leaders or official members of the society, rather that should be something that should be done in the "fringe" community and not the active leaders and participants of the formal religion. Even in world history there has really been hardly any official religions that encouraged homosexuality, as Tripurari himself says, this is all being done now in modern times.
Then again I remember when Tripurari was begging people like Kirtanananda to get a guru certificate. As we can see from many examples, a number of "senior Prabhupada devotees" went along with the idea that (A) Srila Prabhupada is Krishna's successor and, (B) the 11, including some people with homosexual tendencies, are also meant to be worshiped as Krishna's successors. And Tripurari's shiksha guru Sridhara Maharaja promoted homosexual acharyas after 1936 and again after 1977, with dire consequences.
Homosexuals in the regular society themselves do not appear to be a big problem. There are lots of them, and they rarely cause serious problems for others. The problem for ISKCON is -- when that agenda is juxtaposed into their spiritual society especially as leaders if not gurus, and when their agenda is even worshiped as God's successors. Then there are some major problems, as we have all witnessed in spades. And some recent expose books on the Catholic Church claim there is a homosexual agenda in their leadership circle which is causing mayhem in their religion.
Even ordinary people sometimes write to PADA and ask us, how come homosexuals became worshiped as gurus there, and they have been given so must adoration in the ISKCON society? And none of the GBC leaders has a good explanation for why they buried a homosexual / sexual predator in a samadhi?
And another devotee writes to say he is astonished that the Harvard meeting would have ISKCON leaders who have promoted their illicit sex guru process acting as big authorities there for that type meeting. Anyway, Tripurari is one of these people who helps water down the standards for rank and file devotees, and acharyas, and this is why Srila Prabhupada said his God brothers could do a lot of harm to his mission.
Tripurari's former secretary told PADA that he challenged Tripurari about his initiating so many gay disciples. And apparently Tripurari said he needs homosexuals as his disciples because otherwise he would have hardly any. And that is also why some people ask me, how come these ex-ISKCON leaders can hardly build up anything on their own after they left ISKCON? It seems they have watered down the process and they cannot attract hardly anyone? Apparently so!
ys pd
PADA: It is amazing to us that so many ISKCON devotees have signed up to promote the homosexual agenda, which seems to have severely impacted ISKCON in a negative way. In any case, it is illicit sex and that is not something we should be encouraging for leaders or official members of the society, rather that should be something that should be done in the "fringe" community and not the active leaders and participants of the formal religion. Even in world history there has really been hardly any official religions that encouraged homosexuality, as Tripurari himself says, this is all being done now in modern times.
Then again I remember when Tripurari was begging people like Kirtanananda to get a guru certificate. As we can see from many examples, a number of "senior Prabhupada devotees" went along with the idea that (A) Srila Prabhupada is Krishna's successor and, (B) the 11, including some people with homosexual tendencies, are also meant to be worshiped as Krishna's successors. And Tripurari's shiksha guru Sridhara Maharaja promoted homosexual acharyas after 1936 and again after 1977, with dire consequences.
Homosexuals in the regular society themselves do not appear to be a big problem. There are lots of them, and they rarely cause serious problems for others. The problem for ISKCON is -- when that agenda is juxtaposed into their spiritual society especially as leaders if not gurus, and when their agenda is even worshiped as God's successors. Then there are some major problems, as we have all witnessed in spades. And some recent expose books on the Catholic Church claim there is a homosexual agenda in their leadership circle which is causing mayhem in their religion.
Even ordinary people sometimes write to PADA and ask us, how come homosexuals became worshiped as gurus there, and they have been given so must adoration in the ISKCON society? And none of the GBC leaders has a good explanation for why they buried a homosexual / sexual predator in a samadhi?
And another devotee writes to say he is astonished that the Harvard meeting would have ISKCON leaders who have promoted their illicit sex guru process acting as big authorities there for that type meeting. Anyway, Tripurari is one of these people who helps water down the standards for rank and file devotees, and acharyas, and this is why Srila Prabhupada said his God brothers could do a lot of harm to his mission.
Tripurari's former secretary told PADA that he challenged Tripurari about his initiating so many gay disciples. And apparently Tripurari said he needs homosexuals as his disciples because otherwise he would have hardly any. And that is also why some people ask me, how come these ex-ISKCON leaders can hardly build up anything on their own after they left ISKCON? It seems they have watered down the process and they cannot attract hardly anyone? Apparently so!
ys pd
Thanks M Dasi. Yes very good question, what were the devotees expecting? We should worship conditioned souls -- if not homosexuals -- to be "as good as God" and as "God's living successors," and then we ask "what could go wrong here"? They did not even realize that this was going to end badly? How is that possible? Excellent question really!
ReplyDeleteThis has to be the most brainless program ever. Agreed! Hah hah! And I would say you are correct, a number of the original New York devotees knew all along that Kirtanananda had problems accepting Srila Prabhupada's authority, never mind some of them knew he had unresolved homosexual tendencies. So how did this Keith Ham fellow become telescoped to be an equal to Srila Prabhupada, a pure devotee acharya no less, when so many people knew of his self evident flaws and defects? Yep, that is the type of question we get all along.
Yes, Sulochan told me he was going to New Vrndavana and I tried to tell him this was going to be a huge mistake. He wrote me from there a few times telling me how great it was. So he wanted this thing to work, and so did a lot of others. Yet, as Srila Prabhupada says, an artificial thing cannot stand. The whole thing was an artificial show bottle right from the get go. Kirtanananda had unresolved material desires and he should never have been in the post of "God's successor." And that is the whole problem, there is no evidence Srila Prabhupada wanted any of us to be worshiped as Krishna's successor acharyas, he wanted us to stay in a humble position as aspiring sadhakas. Anyway, you are right, with so many evidences that the GBC was deviating all along, how could the mass of devotees suddenly become befooled almost en masse to think these guys are "another Prabhupada"? It means they wanted this to work because they believed they could construct a sand castle and it would last, they were in sum -- in illusion. That is the only rational conclusion. It seems like many fake gurus are supported for the same reasons, as the Isopanisad says, people want to select someone from their group as their acharya, and they make a conditioned soul as their acharya. This never works long range. Yes, what were people thinking? I think that will be the biggest question of the future of the Krishna religion. ys pd