Dear Vaiṣṇavas,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda!
I am an old disciple of Śrīla Prabhupāda who, for reasons that will become clear after you read the rest of this post, wishes to remain anonymous.
Many devotees have written messages pro and con the Gurukuli lawsuit. What both sides don't know is that the lawsuit is actually Śrīla Prabhupāda’s desire. Let me explain.
When Śrīla Prabhupāda passed away I was in India. At the time of his passing I was in Delhi doing some service for the Vṛndāvana mandir. As soon as I heard of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s passing, I rushed to Vṛndāvan only to find that the samādhi ceremony had already been performed. All the devotees were shocked and lamenting in separation. All that is, except the new "gurus", who were celebrating. Their mood was in such contrast to the rest of the devotees it really stood out.
As I entered the Vṛndāvan temple guesthouse I saw Śrīla Prabhupāda's sister Pishima. Spontaneously I paid my daṇḍavats to her. I had known Pishima a long time and she greeted me warmly. Pishima invited me to her room in the guesthouse and I was only too glad to spend some time in her association.
At this time Pishima, as the rest of us, were engulfed in grief at the passing of our Gurudeva. Through her tears and grief, Pishima told me many confidential things that day. She implored me to keep them secret until the proper time. Accordingly I have remained silent until the present situation has made disclosure of some of her confidences appropriate.
Pishima had already confided in me in Māyāpur in 1975 that Śrīla Prabhupāda was being poisoned to death. Śrīla Prabhupāda had brought her to Māyāpur to cook for him, and for a short time I was her kitchen helper. She was very concerned at the time that there was a conspiracy among Śrīla Prabhupāda’s leading disciples and the Gauḍīya Math to murder him and take over the movement.
At our meeting in Vṛndāvan after Śrīla Prabhupāda’s disappearance, Pishima confirmed that Śrīla Prabhupāda had been poisoned. Śrīla Prabhupāda had told her specifically that his inner circle of sannyāsīs were the poisoners.
Śrīla Prabhupāda had told her many other things as well. He said that he decided to accept the poisoning as Krishna's will. Just like Mahārāja Parīkṣit accepted Sringi's curse, he saw it as an opportunity to leave this world and return back to home. In addition, he wanted to destroy ISKCON.
I questioned Pishima closely on this point, because it seemed to be contrary to common sense. Pishima said that Śrīla Prabhupāda had determined that the leadership of ISKCON had deviated so completely from the actual teachings of the Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava sampradāya that he wanted to destroy the organization, lest they become another Catholic Church and attempt world domination.
According to Pishima, Śrīla Prabhupāda was totally disgusted with his disciples' failure to understand his pure Vrajabasi mood and that they became entangled in organizational politics. So he manipulated them into perfoming an elephant offense to destroy them. In this way he was just like Krishna who arranged to destroy His own family army, the Yadu dynasty, with a curse and a fratricidal war, lest they become too much of a burden for the earth.
Śrīla Prabhupāda was so humble he viewed his own life and self-preservation as nothing. At that point he was much more concerned about the continuity of the sampradāya. He sacrificed his life so that his bogus disciples would be cut down and stopped from preaching in the wrong way, from a neophyte platform.
When I asked Pishima what would happen to Śrīla Prabhupāda’s sincere disciples if ISKCON was destroyed, she explained that Śrīla Prabhupāda said that Krishna would protect them, and the devotees who had any spiritual intelligence would leave ISKCON before anything really bad happened. Events have borne this out.
Then I asked Pishima how the result of the elephant offense would manifest. She told me that Śrīla Prabhupāda predicted that the ISKCON movement would become embroiled in court cases that would destroy their properties and bank balance, stop their preaching and punish the so-called leaders. Now this is also happening.
Finally I asked Pishima how the movement would go on after all this devastation. Pishima replied that Śrīla Prabhupāda had told her that Krishna would take care, and that he had already picked one of his disciples to be his successor. But the successor would not manifest his potency until after the present structure of ISKCON was completely destroyed.
Pishima also told me many other things that Śrīla Prabhupāda told her that are not yet appropriate to reveal. I have kept these secrets in my heart these so many years. It is a relief to finally be able to see these predictions come true. Even though they are heavy, it assures me that Śrīla Prabhupāda knew everything all along, that Krishna is taking care of His movement, and that no cheater can cheat the greatest cheat without being thoroughly defeated in the end.
Very truly yours,
Anon Amos
PADA: Yes, this is part of what I had heard before, but this is a much more detailed account. Thanks very much for sending it. Yes it is a good summary of the whole situation, unfortunately. You are also saying anyone who participates in this current ISKCON scheme is condemned to go to hell, ok and there are many, many folks who would agree with that assessment.
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda!
I am an old disciple of Śrīla Prabhupāda who, for reasons that will become clear after you read the rest of this post, wishes to remain anonymous.
Many devotees have written messages pro and con the Gurukuli lawsuit. What both sides don't know is that the lawsuit is actually Śrīla Prabhupāda’s desire. Let me explain.
When Śrīla Prabhupāda passed away I was in India. At the time of his passing I was in Delhi doing some service for the Vṛndāvana mandir. As soon as I heard of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s passing, I rushed to Vṛndāvan only to find that the samādhi ceremony had already been performed. All the devotees were shocked and lamenting in separation. All that is, except the new "gurus", who were celebrating. Their mood was in such contrast to the rest of the devotees it really stood out.
As I entered the Vṛndāvan temple guesthouse I saw Śrīla Prabhupāda's sister Pishima. Spontaneously I paid my daṇḍavats to her. I had known Pishima a long time and she greeted me warmly. Pishima invited me to her room in the guesthouse and I was only too glad to spend some time in her association.
At this time Pishima, as the rest of us, were engulfed in grief at the passing of our Gurudeva. Through her tears and grief, Pishima told me many confidential things that day. She implored me to keep them secret until the proper time. Accordingly I have remained silent until the present situation has made disclosure of some of her confidences appropriate.
Pishima had already confided in me in Māyāpur in 1975 that Śrīla Prabhupāda was being poisoned to death. Śrīla Prabhupāda had brought her to Māyāpur to cook for him, and for a short time I was her kitchen helper. She was very concerned at the time that there was a conspiracy among Śrīla Prabhupāda’s leading disciples and the Gauḍīya Math to murder him and take over the movement.
At our meeting in Vṛndāvan after Śrīla Prabhupāda’s disappearance, Pishima confirmed that Śrīla Prabhupāda had been poisoned. Śrīla Prabhupāda had told her specifically that his inner circle of sannyāsīs were the poisoners.
Śrīla Prabhupāda had told her many other things as well. He said that he decided to accept the poisoning as Krishna's will. Just like Mahārāja Parīkṣit accepted Sringi's curse, he saw it as an opportunity to leave this world and return back to home. In addition, he wanted to destroy ISKCON.
I questioned Pishima closely on this point, because it seemed to be contrary to common sense. Pishima said that Śrīla Prabhupāda had determined that the leadership of ISKCON had deviated so completely from the actual teachings of the Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava sampradāya that he wanted to destroy the organization, lest they become another Catholic Church and attempt world domination.
According to Pishima, Śrīla Prabhupāda was totally disgusted with his disciples' failure to understand his pure Vrajabasi mood and that they became entangled in organizational politics. So he manipulated them into perfoming an elephant offense to destroy them. In this way he was just like Krishna who arranged to destroy His own family army, the Yadu dynasty, with a curse and a fratricidal war, lest they become too much of a burden for the earth.
Śrīla Prabhupāda was so humble he viewed his own life and self-preservation as nothing. At that point he was much more concerned about the continuity of the sampradāya. He sacrificed his life so that his bogus disciples would be cut down and stopped from preaching in the wrong way, from a neophyte platform.
When I asked Pishima what would happen to Śrīla Prabhupāda’s sincere disciples if ISKCON was destroyed, she explained that Śrīla Prabhupāda said that Krishna would protect them, and the devotees who had any spiritual intelligence would leave ISKCON before anything really bad happened. Events have borne this out.
Then I asked Pishima how the result of the elephant offense would manifest. She told me that Śrīla Prabhupāda predicted that the ISKCON movement would become embroiled in court cases that would destroy their properties and bank balance, stop their preaching and punish the so-called leaders. Now this is also happening.
Finally I asked Pishima how the movement would go on after all this devastation. Pishima replied that Śrīla Prabhupāda had told her that Krishna would take care, and that he had already picked one of his disciples to be his successor. But the successor would not manifest his potency until after the present structure of ISKCON was completely destroyed.
Pishima also told me many other things that Śrīla Prabhupāda told her that are not yet appropriate to reveal. I have kept these secrets in my heart these so many years. It is a relief to finally be able to see these predictions come true. Even though they are heavy, it assures me that Śrīla Prabhupāda knew everything all along, that Krishna is taking care of His movement, and that no cheater can cheat the greatest cheat without being thoroughly defeated in the end.
Very truly yours,
Anon Amos
Of course this begs the question, since a number of these people such as Nanda Kumar etc. knew "something terrible was going on" (maybe poisoning?) why did it take me to go out with a sign in 1997 after I got the poison tape then? Where were all these eye witnesses all this time, and why were they silent, and why are some still anonymous? This anon guy says -- Krishna will take care and clean this up -- as if Krishna is his personal janitor. Why didn't he try to clean it up? Krishna is our janitor, He has to clean up our mess? Did I forget to mention that if the police thought "God will catch all the criminals and clean this up," the city will soon be overtaken by criminals?
Why didn't they bring out the poison issue, particularly at a time when it might have helped either Srila Prabhupada or his society? I had to pray to get these tapes starting in 1990, when I really understood this was the root issue, but I did not have the tapes then. The eye witness -- the on the scene people -- they knew all along, and sat on it, allowing the poisoners to be worshiped as God's successors. Why?
That is amazing to me, if I had any evidence previously, I would have bought it out immediately. I would also call the police if anyone is being stabbed in front of my house, its our duty to report crimes and how could the crime of the yuga, the poison complaint from a pure devotee of God, go unnoticed and unreported? And its still not warranting more than an anonymous complaint even now, it does not warrant any full scale expose. Baffling.
Its "Krishna's arrangement" that we should allow the poisoners to take over and allow all these crimes, court cases, child molesting etc., or was it the weakness of the rank and file people who failed to report these crimes, or under reported, and even now that they are stepping forward -- only as anonymous on the poison issue? And was this not the problem with the molesting issue and all the rest, many people "knew" but they silently acquiesced with the criminals, and their take over, and the crimes, thereby -- they are implicated in all these evil events -- by a conspiracy of silence?
When people were silent at Draupadi being insulted, this made Krishna very angry and He decided they would all have to die. Silence is a serious crime, why didn't these people know that? This has to be one of the most odd and frankly frustrating aspects of this whole thing, many people knew: The 11 GBC gurus were not appointed; The gurus were deviating; There was a systematic child abuse program; Crimes were being encouraged; Gurus were dating their minor aged female students; The books were being changed; The devotees were being banned and victimized; Maybe the guru was poisoned, ad infinitum -- and "we knew that," but said and did nothing? And then the people who did not know became easy targets for manipulation and exploiting. A perfect storm.
Same problem we have had with the Sanat (Steve and Linda Voith) / Mukunda / Prahlad das (Paul Coats) / Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur folks. Sanat said he knew that a molester was active in his wife's gurukula program under Satsvarupa. They knew this molester was also active in other parts of ISKCON, and the perp was simply moving around from one temple to another to activate his molesting process. So that means Sanat and his wife knew this is a world wide "webs and nests" molesting process. Of course a lot of other folks knew this was going on as well, Sanat is merely one of the cogs in the machine.
Yet they did not take it to the police self-evidently to protect Satsvarupa from being implicated in running a child abuse "school" because at the time they were worshiping Satsvarupa as their guru. And now, this Sanat guy and his guru Satsvarupa are the apparent hero saviors of HKC Jaipur et al., because they are upset we exposed their child raping program and its enablers like Sanat and its gurus like SDG, which has been moving perps around ISKCON like a giant chess game, to the peril of the children?
Worse, Sanat, Mukunda, Prahlad das and HKC folks told me to listen to Radhanath lover's club leader Bhakta das. I need to listen to the program that buries known pedophiles in the dham? And HKC folks even said I am "making offenses" to Sanat, because they love child raping program cover ups, a guy whose worship of such bogus gurus acted as hand maidens to creating such molesting infrastructures? The hand maidens of the child raper process are the people we cannot oppose and "make offenses" to? Then what happens to the children in the grip of that process?
Worse, Sanat, Mukunda, Prahlad das and HKC folks told me to listen to Radhanath lover's club leader Bhakta das. I need to listen to the program that buries known pedophiles in the dham? And HKC folks even said I am "making offenses" to Sanat, because they love child raping program cover ups, a guy whose worship of such bogus gurus acted as hand maidens to creating such molesting infrastructures? The hand maidens of the child raper process are the people we cannot oppose and "make offenses" to? Then what happens to the children in the grip of that process?
The people who allow, enable, cover up and thereby facilitate child rapes to take place are the good guys, and PADA is the bad guy for exposing their webs and nests child raping process? And now I am an even worse bad guy for disagreeing with burying pedophiles in samadhis?
So its all about protecting and covering up crimes, whether its women and child abuse, embezzling, homosexual pedophile gurus, drug dealing, printing bogus football stickers, illegal gun dealing, bogus illegal "flower garland" marriages, beatings, murders and who knows what else.
Then we wonder why ISKCON is in shambles?
Because its our duty to suppress the people exposing crimes, whether its molesting or poisoning of our guru? Nope, the Bhagavad Gita says, its our duty to expose, resist and oppose crimes, and to protect the citizens from criminals, and not to allow them to continue. And then we have people like Naranarayan das, and he says "we were discussing the poison issue in 1980." "We" who? And why it is that almost no one heard about the issue until PADA brought it out in 1997?
This is the main problem is it not? "We" knew about the child abuse, the banning and beating, the women collecting party scandals, the embezzling of gurukula funds -- so the children had to eat rotten food, and "we" even knew our guru was poisoned, but we sat on all this and said and did nothing? Of course the GBC were experts at silencing the few of us who did report things, but that only worked because the rest of the mass was silent. A few squeaky wheels are easy to target and eliminate, but if the mass rose up, that would have been unstoppable.
And Hanuman Croatia says he worships ISKCON's Sridhara Swami, the self advertised "jolly swami" who was laughing as all the citizens in his realm were being banned, beaten, molested, sued and shot to death? And this is the time to be jolly? Why would we worship a person who is "jolly" when others are suffering under their jack boots?
And Hanuman Croatia says he worships ISKCON's Sridhara Swami, the self advertised "jolly swami" who was laughing as all the citizens in his realm were being banned, beaten, molested, sued and shot to death? And this is the time to be jolly? Why would we worship a person who is "jolly" when others are suffering under their jack boots?
Worse, Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / and even Naranarayan das were working on a petition to have PADA removed from the internet. Yep, lets silence anyone who exposes our real agenda here, which is evidently -- to allow crimes to go on in the name of God? Or what? Sorry to have to report this but, those who are silently acquiescing with crimes will have to suffer the karma of being victims themselves later on, and everyone will simply sit silently as they are being mercilessly victimized -- because what one does to others -- is done to oneself eventually.
Of course a lot of these people are not silent, they are actively suppressing anyone who exposes the criminal regime. And that is why "the conspiracy of silence" is -- a crime in itself -- because it enables criminal regimes to flourish.
Of course a lot of these people are not silent, they are actively suppressing anyone who exposes the criminal regime. And that is why "the conspiracy of silence" is -- a crime in itself -- because it enables criminal regimes to flourish.
Meanwhile we are getting very, very nice and encouraging messages from at least some people who highly appreciate PADA and they are glad we were squeaky wheels. One person just wrote to tell me, without reading PADA he never would have worshiped Krishna because he had such a negative idea of who Krishna is, but now he knows Krishna is not an enabler of crimes, and neither are his devotees. And that is why Srila Prabhupada says, if we can save even one person our path to Vaikuntha is guaranteed, so we should try to save others from all their cloud of deceit and ignorance. ys pd
At least Satsvarupa knows what planet he is going to?
Do his followers know that as well?
Heh heh heh.
Dear PADA: Croatia Hanuman's website is what in the ad industry is called "Negative Advertising". It is designed to draw the audience's attention through an aggressive, one-sided assault. Mainly Hanuman is "exposing" sannyasis who are surrounded by lots of attractive young matajis and these sannyasis having lots of money. Sannyasis who buy apartments in the Holy Dham and live an opulent jet-set lifestyle. As soon someone comments on his website about the real issues these comments are deleted. So this Hanuman is a GBC footman. When young males see his website they line up for mass-initiation at exactly these gurus he is "exposing". So they must have realized that normal advertisement doesn't work anymore. Only when their gurus are attacked on the internet people become interested.
ReplyDelete[PADA: Yes, his web site is basically a back door advertising for the GBC. He says the GBC are bogus, therefore he is following a GBC guru: Sridhara Swami, who was always "jolly" hanging out with the leaders of the molester messiahs project, as their crimes went on left, right and center.
Sridhara swami is another conspiracy of silence guy, you mean to say he did not know about all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits, murders and bad publicity?
Of course most of them must know this stuff, so why are they jolly? They are happy to see others suffer? So his website is still promoting Sridhara, Bhakti Vikas swami and others who are part of the whole regime. He says that the ritviks are bogus because they are not promoting the jolly swami, or BVKS and the leaders of the molester messiah's program? And we worship a pure devotee, which he considers as a deviation? ys pd]