Women used as pawns in the GBC's guru chess game
Henry Doktorski: Early June, 1986: On or around this date in history 37 years ago, Tirtha’s wife, Suksmarupini (Suzanne Bludeau), leaves him. After her husband’s arrest in Kent, Ohio, on May 27th, she returns to their trailer-park home in Ravenna. Soon after, devotees bring her and her sons to the Cleveland ISKCON temple.
After a few days, a Bhaktipada disciple in Cleveland, Ananda dasa, takes her to New Vrindaban to meet with Bhaktipada. Bhaktipada tells Ananda to “take her away.” Suksmarupini’s sons are enrolled in the gurukula, and Ananda and Suksmarupini move to a furnished house in Scottsdale, Arizona, provided by New Vrindaban. Ananda becomes her new lover.
When Tirtha in jail finds out, he orders Janmastami to “whack him” for “stealing his wife.” Janmastami refused. (Gold, Guns and God, Vol. 7, p. 172, Killing For Krishna, p. 408)
Photo of Suzanne, Moundsville, West Virginia, May 1987, by Nelson Hooker.
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PADA's KAILASA UPDATE: But who initiated Hasya Rati? Anyway, that is fine, you have no source of divyam jnanam that destroys sins, but our people do. You want Krishna to have non-trained people taking care of His deity, and so your plan has made deviants including molesters taking care of Him since 1978, but we want Him to have trained people.
You wanted Madhyams to take sins, but Srila Prabhupada says they cannot take sins because they have no brahmana tejyas. And they are thus in danger of taking births as snakes. We do not want to have people taking births as snakes.
I am not sure why you have even any valid points since you are saying your whole idea is to preach that Krishna's vani is dead, post mortem and posthumous. We do not worship the post mortem, we worship the eternal. There is no divyam jnanam that destroys sins for you, you say it is non-manifest, a phantom, dead, post mortem, ok you cannot save yourselves then never mind others.
Who goes around saying Krishna words are post mortem and non-manifest? I forgot, you wanted to manifest deviants including molesters taking care of the deity, and rats and cock roaches in some deity rooms, and that is what you have manifested. Sorry, we do not want people to take births as snakes and be eaten by ants, which is what happens when non-uttama takes sins.
You want people to suffer and we do not. Srila Prabhupada will be the guru for our people, and we are gaining thousands more just this year, so our idea will prevail over time and in no time at all no one will even know who Kailasa ever was or if he even ever existed, our people will be worshiping the acharya long after he is post mortem. No one in any religion goes around saying their guru is dead and not valid and post mortem, that is not taught anywhere by religious people. Srila Prabhupada says Jesus is taking the sins of the Christians now even after 2,000 years, because he is their guru now. ys pd
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Having an organization where a limited Madhyam is giving a limited number of initiations to a limited number of people will not work for a large international operation. Srila Prabhupada does not want to have a teeny cult of a limited few people, he wants thousands, and we are doing that. Anyway you cannot name the person who initiated you as Hasya Ratī, that is called mayavada. You got a secret name ceremony, giving you a secret mantra from a secret guru, this is called mayavada. This is how some of the mayavadas operate. Of course, Srila Prabhupada also says a person who does not name the guru has made themselves the guru, also mayavada. Ys pd
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DEVOTEES IN NEW ZEALAND
https://www.harekrishnabeehive.com/bhaktihome?
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PADA: OK Kaunteya is still at it, the Bhakti Vikas / Basu Ghosh / ICC India folks are basically neo-smarta [demons?] for their not allowing women to be ISKCON diksha gurus. And Kaunteya has wrote some booklets that are critical of Srila Prahbupada's "out of touch 18th century ideas."
Meanwhile, he has been Jayapataka's hand maiden in Mayapura where -- oh oh, there has been tons of problems, did I forget to mention tons and tons of problems -- with the treatment of children. Was he aware of these problems? What is his view on these problems?
At the same time, maybe six years ago, the GBC was lamenting that not enough men are stepping up to be gurus, and the original wave of post-1978 men gurus was wearing out, getting too old, maybe getting senile -- and of course dying off. Right. So how is making a few "senior Prabhupada disciple women," who will also almost certainly be old, worn out, sick and dying off, going to help? At all? It isn't.
It is just creating a false hope for a few foolish women who think they are going to get the keys to the kingdom. But first of all the GBC has made severe restrictions on how these women can be selected. OK hardly any will be.
The entire credibility of the GBC [men or women not really the big issue] is in shreds, tatters, and it is more or less a train wreck. Bhakti Vikas swami says it is like crashing Jumbo Jets, because hundreds of people get wiped out when their gurus bloop etc. How can adding a few women as gurus to this crashing Jumbo Jets process fix the current mess? I am not seeing how it will.
Most of the temple are now Hindu-ized as well.
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AMOGHA LILA DASA:
Amogha lila really did not appreciate my approach to addressing the problems in ISKCON. He said I was "way too heavy" when victims told me I was "way too lenient." He said contrary things, the GBC is not approved by Srila Prabhupada, but we have to cooperate with the GBC etc. Having it both ways? He was especially angry at me when I was organizing the molesting lawsuit because "it will cost us a lot of money."
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Having an organization where a limited Madhyam is giving a limited number of initiations to a limited number of people will not work for a large international operation. Srila Prabhupada does not want to have a teeny cult of a limited few people, he wants thousands, and we are doing that. Anyway you cannot name the person who initiated you as Hasya Ratī, that is called mayavada. You got a secret name ceremony, giving you a secret mantra from a secret guru, this is called mayavada. This is how some of the mayavadas operate. Of course, Srila Prabhupada also says a person who does not name the guru has made themselves the guru, also mayavada. Ys pd
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DEVOTEES IN NEW ZEALAND
https://www.harekrishnabeehive.com/bhaktihome?
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PADA: OK Kaunteya is still at it, the Bhakti Vikas / Basu Ghosh / ICC India folks are basically neo-smarta [demons?] for their not allowing women to be ISKCON diksha gurus. And Kaunteya has wrote some booklets that are critical of Srila Prahbupada's "out of touch 18th century ideas."
Meanwhile, he has been Jayapataka's hand maiden in Mayapura where -- oh oh, there has been tons of problems, did I forget to mention tons and tons of problems -- with the treatment of children. Was he aware of these problems? What is his view on these problems?
At the same time, maybe six years ago, the GBC was lamenting that not enough men are stepping up to be gurus, and the original wave of post-1978 men gurus was wearing out, getting too old, maybe getting senile -- and of course dying off. Right. So how is making a few "senior Prabhupada disciple women," who will also almost certainly be old, worn out, sick and dying off, going to help? At all? It isn't.
It is just creating a false hope for a few foolish women who think they are going to get the keys to the kingdom. But first of all the GBC has made severe restrictions on how these women can be selected. OK hardly any will be.
The entire credibility of the GBC [men or women not really the big issue] is in shreds, tatters, and it is more or less a train wreck. Bhakti Vikas swami says it is like crashing Jumbo Jets, because hundreds of people get wiped out when their gurus bloop etc. How can adding a few women as gurus to this crashing Jumbo Jets process fix the current mess? I am not seeing how it will.
Most of the temple are now Hindu-ized as well.
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AMOGHA LILA DASA:
Amogha lila really did not appreciate my approach to addressing the problems in ISKCON. He said I was "way too heavy" when victims told me I was "way too lenient." He said contrary things, the GBC is not approved by Srila Prabhupada, but we have to cooperate with the GBC etc. Having it both ways? He was especially angry at me when I was organizing the molesting lawsuit because "it will cost us a lot of money."
No kidding. A program that allows industrial levels of mistreatment of minors is due for a reaction, and we should expect such. I think he just had some very unrealistic ideas about how to manage an institution, and especially, how to manage the younger members of that institution. He was one of those guys who would walk across the street when I was coming the other way -- to avoid having any interactions with me. It is sad what happened to him, but he was always trying to avoid the real issues in my opinion, and the "head in the sand" approach seems to lead devotees into a detrimental mental state sooner or later. Especially, when the real seriousness of the abuse issue finally surfaced as they had to face the reality of what their acquiescing was causing. ys pd
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TO THE DEVOTEES WHO HAVE TURNED TO ALCOHOL.
What exactly is alcohol?
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TO THE DEVOTEES WHO HAVE TURNED TO ALCOHOL.
What exactly is alcohol?
Let’s start by looking at the meaning of the word “alcohol”. It comes from the Arabic "al-kuhl", which in translation means "the spirit that devours the body".
Once again, "Al-kuhl" is the original basis for the English word "ghoul."
Once again, "Al-kuhl" is the original basis for the English word "ghoul."
In Middle Eastern popular culture, it refers to an evil demon that eats human bodies, steals corpses and kidnaps children. The words “alembic” and “alcohol” are metaphorical names for “water of life” or “spirit. "
“Alembic” and “alcohol” simultaneously point more often to a distilled liquid, which originated in Middle Eastern magic experiments and alchemy experiments.
Deepening the issue, we’ll discover also these interesting facts:
Deepening the issue, we’ll discover also these interesting facts:
1. Al kol: a jinn or spirit of Arab mythology who comes incarnate in various forms or supernatural beings.
2. Al kol: Any drug or substance that darkens the mind and distracts it.
3. The word "alcohol" in astronomy is also related to a particular star called "Algol", which also means "Demon's Head".
4. In modern Arabic, alcohol (ethanol) is called ال ولول (al- Vawl), which more precisely means "spirit" or "demon".
In alchemy, alcohol is used to extract the mental essence of an entity.
For this reason, it is used to extract fragrances, which are then used in the production of essential oils.
For this reason, it is used to extract fragrances, which are then used in the production of essential oils.
Alcohol consumption has the effect on our body that alcohol extracts the essence itself, the foundation of the soul, making our body more accessible to the surrounding entities.
It happens that it puts us under the influence of the quality of ignorance (tamas), which weakens our perception and mental defenses. It is known that drunk and drunk people have a much weaker aura, and all chakras are suppressed except the lower ones - the most primitive ones.
What happens to a person when they are intoxicated -- most entities (ghosts) around us have low frequency (that's why we call alcoholic beverages "spiritus").
Because of this, people who consume excessive amounts of alcohol often get a “window” and have no memory.
Because of this, people who consume excessive amounts of alcohol often get a “window” and have no memory.
Doing so many times, they act like they’ll never act, and they’re literally not themselves. This is because their weakened conscience is temporarily dominated by one or more spirits that seek to entertain themselves through the victim's crude body. A similar effect occurs with squareness. The flesh is dominated by the Spirit that takes control.
However, one doesn’t remember anything when he wakes up. Spirits try to use our bodies as vehicles for their selfish purposes, dark actions, violence, ground sex practices, destructive behaviors, rape and more, while they themselves have lost their material bodies.
Our soul and delicate body are intoxicated and "sleep" under the influence of alcohol. Thus we become easy prey. Places like pubs, bars, discos etc are full of such beings because they are attracted to the quality of ignorance that prevails over you. I'm sure many of you have experienced instances where a very drunk person was literally acting like an obsessive.
Sometimes you just have to look it in the eye and it doesn’t mean good. You may have experienced or noticed a significant change in voice, violence, sexual promiscuity, harmful substance use, damage to property, conflicting behaviour, and other negative expressions.
So let's reflect on this experience and ask ourselves: are these acts of kindness, love and positivity? Is the aforementioned behavior an expression of awareness and health? Unfortunately, we see this behaviour in most young people and even the elderly on the streets on weekends. Regular self-destruction has become, especially in the West, a moral standard.
Y Dasi: So as a single parent this phrase, “she needs a man she can count on,” gets a bit under my skin. Unless she verbally stated that, I’d like to point out the stigma of being a single parent in the ISKCON movement, the pressure the community puts on us “to find a man to take care of” us, and the quick marital arrangements that were occurring and still occur in the movement to ensure people are going on to family life and having more babies for the movement.
ReplyDeleteThis results in a significant amount of physical and emotional abuse that women and children are repeatedly subjected to under difficult circumstances. Shame, coercion, rape, and mind games are some words that come to mind.
Also, instead of “lover,” could it be that we use the “term” relationship? Lover can be used to slut shame her, and they both got into a mutual relationship, and it was Ananda’s decision to enter into a relationship with her too (or it could be written that Ananda takes her on as his new lover).
I’d like to see pics of this Ananada and Janmastami too.
PADA: They want more children for ISKCON, or to exploit them. That has become the question.