Kripamoya's new book:
PADA: Thanks for your question Bhaktin D, "What is our opinion of ISKCON's Bhaktivedanta Manor Kripamoya's new Guru and Disciple book"? For starters notice that there is no photo of either Srila Prabhupada, or any GBC guru he would recommend, or even Krishna, on the cover? So its a mystery, is he promoting any guru at all? Or maybe, because many (most?) of the "gurus" and so-called messiahs their group promoted previously were found "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" so now they are simply too embarrassed, or afraid to get caught recommending a bad apple, so they cannot recommend anyone from their group.
We have a bunch of used cars here, most of them will explode when you first turn the key, its up to you to take a chance and see if yours won't explode. What kind of business could operate on that principle?
Meanwhile a person asked if they can use my Krishna art, because they are afraid of BBTI harassing them for copyrights. So this Kripamoya person has access to the BBTI art, but he uses some bird painting instead to represent his gurus. So this is actually pretty good, it means they cannot even recommend ANYONE from their ISKCON GBC guru circus to be the current guru, because they cannot advertise the photo of ANY of their GBC gurus on their OWN book -- about accepting a guru.
Looks like they are really not going to promote either (A) Srila Prabhupada, or (B) one of their own GBC gurus, (B) but maybe your guru is -- a bird? So its a sort of a mayavada "find your own way" process. No particular person is being recommended. Some of their people told me their idea previously, the GBC rubber stamps maybe a hundred gurus, and then the hapless public has to try to figure out which -- if any -- of them are bona fide.
And meanwhile, those of us exposing the sexual predator or criminal behaviors in Kripamoya's guru system are maybe banned, beaten, getting death threats, sued, and sometimes -- assassinated. We are not allowed to guide people to find the proper guru in ISKCON. So the newcomers have to try to decide on their own, but their guru system is already well known -- even to the public -- to be chocker block full of illicit sex with men, women and children -- and similar other crimes and deviations. So why would anyone want to select a "guru" from such a contaminated group, at all?
Its like the peanut under the walnut shell game at the county fair. Can you guess which walnut has a peanut underneath? And if you choose wrong, you go to hell along with your bogus guru. Notice that Kripamoya is not going to do the selecting for us, he is going to let us spend our life speculating in some sort of endless guessing game. And of course anyone (like us) who wants to help guide the innocent public to the right guru is -- banned, or gets death threats etc.
Srila Prabhupada says when the guru is not named, its mayavada, and his book does not name any guru on the cover for us to accept. Imagine telling Srila Prabhupada we had wrote a book about the guru of ISKCON, and there is no photo of the guru of ISKCON, or even Krishna on the cover? Birds?
In sum!
Basically, we have to find someone who is part of their illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara program to accept as our guru. And since every single one of Kripamoya's GBC gurus are either:
(A) a pedophile, sexual predator, criminal or deviant,
(B) a founding father, apologist, cheer leader, backer, promoter, legal advisor, cover up etc. for the deviant gurus system, or,
(C) those "2/3 show of hands" voted in as guru by the above group of predators / deviants / founders / apologists etc., that pretty much excludes ever accepting a pure devotee as one's guru. Hence, the cover of the book has birds and not gurus.
Here below is a sample example of the types of gurus in the Kripamoya guru system:
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Eleven Naked Emperors
August 1985: On or around this date in history 35 years ago, the North American GBC, temple presidents and ten ISKCON gurus attended a two-day emergency meeting at New Vrindaban. At this meeting, Ravindra Svarupa presented his paper, “Under My Order,” calling for guru reform.
August 1985: On or around this date in history 35 years ago, the North American GBC, temple presidents and ten ISKCON gurus attended a two-day emergency meeting at New Vrindaban. At this meeting, Ravindra Svarupa presented his paper, “Under My Order,” calling for guru reform.
Coincidentally, during the New Vrindaban meetings, a message came from a brahmachari in Atlanta, Georgia, alleging that one of the ISKCON zonal acharyas (who had for years been suspected of having homosexual relations with boys and young men) had tried to have sex with him in Vrindaban, India, five years earlier, when he was only fifteen or sixteen years old.
Bhavananda confessed to having homosexual relations “many times” during his career as an ISKCON guru. “From around 1980 to 1982, I experienced severe problems with my spiritual life and I fell down many times.” Bhavananda admitted. “I developed a spirit of enjoyment, an enjoying spirit. . . . Of course I had hoped that these falldowns would not be known, but in our society there are no secrets, because you can’t keep a secret from Krishna. He knows everything. When some rumor came up regarding some of these problems, I denied it and it was overlooked, at least on a certain level, but many, many godbrothers were not convinced.”
Bhavananda was suspended as guru. For six months. Then in March 1986, the GBC voted to reinstated him as an ISKCON guru. The Guru Reformers were aghast.
Yashomatinandan, the temple president of ISKCON Ahmedabad, explained, “At the 1986 GBC meeting, the climax of hypocrisy was to take place. It exposed each of our leaders in his true light. . . . A fallen sannyasi is vantasi: one who eats his own vomit. Not only that, but a regular addicted homosexual with a long, almost continuous history of such incidences was voted in by our leaders. . . . Our great scholar Hrdayananda Goswami flaunted all philosophical principles when he gave a sentimental rap . . . ‘Bhavananda is Prabhupada’s son and we must protect him,’ as if . . . devotional service means GBC-ship or guruship. . . . We all went back to our temples with our hearts broken and hopes shattered having given Lord Chaitanya a wonderful gift of a faggot guru in his parampara on his 500th appearance day. We were absolutely convinced our leaders were destroying ISKCON.”
“Eleven Naked Emperors,” Chapter 12, “Preparing For Battle,” p. 255.
PADA: Ouch! No wonder they are now promoting birds as their guru! ys pd
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One has to transcend the mode of goodness also and be situated in unalloyed goodness, unaffected by any of the qualities of material nature. This stage of transcendental qualification is called suddha-sattva, or vasudeva, and in this stage the science of God can be realized. As the Lord is not affected by the modes of material nature, so A PURE DEVOTEE of the Lord is also not affected by the modes of nature. (SB 3.4.31)
PADA: Sorry MD, but Rocana is not correct to say there were Zonal Gurus in the past. All of the current ISKCON gurus STILL have geographical designated Zones. And the original 11 Zonal Gurus are the ones who "2/3 show of hands voted in" more gurus. So all of the second wave were voted in by members of the first wave. The original 11 were never appointed as gurus, so they had no authority to vote in another wave, that is the first problem. Nor have they even pretended they no longer have Zones, Jayapataka has had the Zone of Mayapur forever and he still does, none of this was changed. ys pd
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