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Subject: Fwd: Gargamuni on the 'Poison Issue''
PMD: My strong objection to Gargamuni writing the below article is what made him ban me!
Gargamuni Das
Today I wish to Dispel the dark evil theory by evil neophyte mayavadi devotees that HDGSP was purposely poisoned by some ambitious disciples. Five days before His dissappearance, HDGSP says--
Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? You said before that it is said that you were poisoned?
Prabhupada: No. These kind of symptoms are seen when a man is poisoned. He said like that. Not that I am poisoned.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. Did anyone tell you that, or you just know it from before?
Prabhupada: I read something.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation -- November 9, 1977, Vrndavana
From Oct 20, 1977.
HDGSP was taking the ayurvedic medicine 'Markata Dhvaja' which is composed of many ingredients including amounts of gold, mercury, pearl, tin, calcium, musk, arsenic etc. This medicine is very potent and can have two different reactions upon the patient.
[PADA: Yep, Gargamuni and Brahmananda were originally promoting the "appointed 11 gurus." In fact they severely chastised one of our friends for doubting "the 11 gurus." And they said the reason they knew the 11 had been appointed as gurus is -- "we were right there."
OK you guys were "right there" -- and all sorts of things were going on -- that you were evidently clueless about. Notice also that Gargamuni does not explain the other evidences, for example the poison whispers. Notice also that if Srila Prabhupada had appointed conditioned souls as Krishna's successors, that would have made him influenced by conditioned defects.]
This medicine is taken for Cardiac Stimulant, Nervine Stimulant, Digestive Stimulant, All types of Debilitating Conditions. One reaction would stimulate the organs to function normally, another reaction is a 'poisonous effect' on the organs. There was difference of opinions between different kaviraja's on this medicine, in addition, there are six different kinds of this medicine.
[PADA: Except that Dr. Khurana was convinced that poisoning was going on (he was afraid to speak up at the time). And Dr. Banamali said that the urine sample showed bone marrow in the urine, which is a sign of heavy metal poisoning. Sorry, these are similar conclusions. One of the Kavirajas said a raskshasa is giving poison here, its on the tape. A rakshasa is giving poison here is not a problem with bad medicines, its a problem of a bad person or persons with bad motives.]
Prabhupada: Now take makara-dhvaja, one dose, and leave everything for Krsna.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation -- October 22, 1977, Vrndavana
Bhakti-caru: [Hindi with kaviraja; discusses prostate]
He's saying that in this condition, Prabhupada can't take makara-dhvaja. That any medicine that contains mercury and arsenic is poison to him.
Bhavananda: That's what Prabhupada said.
Tamala Krsna: That is a fact. He found that to be true.
Bhakti-caru: [explaining] Makara-dhvaja is a brahmastra. For Prabhupada it's not good.
Bhavananda: He did agree with your own diagnosis Prabhupada. He said makara-dhvaja at this point would be poison, and today you said that it was poison.
Prabhupada: Yes.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation Kaviraja from Calcutta Arrives -- October 28, 1977, Vrndavana
Having 'poisonous effect' and 'being poisoned' are two different conceptions and the confused evil neophytes who possess a poor fund of knowledge try to contaminate innocent devotees by questioning HDGSP's divinity of being a 'Pure Devotee' who is never under the laws of material nature at any stage of physical existence.
[PADA: Gargamuni is evidently one of the people who argues that people like Jesus are mundane men, because they are attacked -- or even crucified -- by demons. Maharaja Pariksit was another mundane man because he was bitten by a snake bird, and so on and so forth.
Sorry, just because a devotee is attacked does not mean he is not protected by Krishna, or that he is not a pure devotee, and so on and so forth. Krishna may allow a pure devotee to be attacked, its possible.
And on the poison tape they say other acharyas have been poisoned and / or fed broken glass etc., and Srila Saraswati Thakura was attacked as well i.e. "my guru maharaja also." And later, one of the people involved in the poison investigation was fed broken ground up glass, as he discovered later on when he was passing blood.
There are also rumors that Gaura Govinda Maharaja, Suhotra Maharaja, Aindra das and others were taken from this world by some of the poison cabal folks. Oh but none of that matters because "I was right there, and none of this could have happened." Is this arrogance, or is this a person who does not want to go too far in rocking the boat, and criticizing the GBC to keep some sort of goody two shoes relationship with them?]
''Regarding your first question, a pure devotee is never under the modes of nature. In other words, no material laws apply on a devotee because he is fully under the direction of Krsna.''
Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: Madhudvisa -- Los Angeles 14 February, 1970
[PADA: Jesus, Maharaja Pariksit and others are "under the modes"?]
''One may argue that we may see a person who is spiritually engaged twenty-four hours a day but is still suffering from disease. In fact, however, he is neither suffering nor diseased; otherwise he could not be engaged twenty-four hours a day in spiritual activities. This is confirmed by Srila Rupa Gosvami "A person acting in the service of Krsna with his body, mind and words is a liberated person, even within the material world." (Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.187)
[PADA: Has nothing to do with pure devotees being attacked by rakshasas?]
Therefore, one is forbidden to regard the guru as an ordinary human being The spiritual master, or acarya, is always situated in the spiritual status of life. Birth, death, old age and disease do not affect him. According to the Hari-bhakti-vilasa, therefore, after the disappearance of an acarya, his body is never burnt to ashes, for it is a spiritual body. The spiritual body is always unaffected by material conditions.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 10.4.20
A Vaisnava is always protected by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but if he appears to be an invalid, this gives a chance to his disciples to serve him.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Adi 9.11
[PADA: So Srila Prabhupada was feeling mental distress from being poisoned by someone, and therefore, he was in illusion?]
As far as certain chemicals found after testing HDGSP sample hairs, India did not have purified bottle water during the 70's.
[PADA: So everyone in Vrndavana would have the same symptoms of bone marrow in their blood. That is not what happens is it?]
Mostly we lived on tubewell water or we would boil water. Or we were told to keep tubewell water in a clay jug and that would purify the water. The UN dug millions of tubewells all over India including Bengal at a depth of 40-60 feet. India Was and Is the largest user of pesticides in the world. Its no wonder that tubewell water would be filled of all kinds of chemicals.
Where I live presently the well from 300-600 feet is salty and also filled with every chemical you can think of. I stopped using it for bathing because developing skin rashes. So you see to find chemicals in hairs is not uncommon.
Final conclusion, is that we should listen to HDGSP instruction that He was not poisoned, but simply experienced a 'poisonous effect' from the potent medicine which HDGSP also experienced by taking olapathic medicine.
To listen to such demoniac nonsense from evil fake devotees is another form of 'mayavadi philosophy' which Lord Chaitanya says if heard will poison one's spiritual development forever.--your humble servant, in the service of HDGSP, gargamuni das.
M Chand: Yes maharaj ... This article is very inspiring. Some neophyte without proper knowledge are stuck with the ideas of poisoning Srila Prabhupada ... Recently i have encountered with such a person ... And this article is very helpful. Thank you so much ... hare krsna
CR: Wonderful Clarification ... Jai Srila Prabhupada
AD: Thank you!!
JB: Wow this is very helpful I must say I have read a lot about the poisoning allegations and GBC had not provided a response that could put the matter to rest. Reading this post I have got a good answer to the chemicals that were found in Srila Prabhupada's hair.
Swarup Hebel: The Internet is a double edged sword in this regard. On the one hand it is a very potent medium that can be used to make Srila Prabhupada's teachings available and accessible to everyone throughout the world, for devotees to connect with each other and to glorify Srila Prabhupada with inspiring quotes, photos, anecdotes, memories, etc. On the flip side it can also be used to distract and discourage aspiring devotees with all kinds of off the wall theories, rumors and opinions and to divide the devotee community.
Thank you Gargamuni Prabhu for being a positive and potent voice and for your humble and sincere service to Srila Prabhupada.
Dayananda Das Adhikary: Thank you, Gargamuni Prabhu. Let me first offer you my most respectful and affectionate obeisances. My first thought whenever thinking of you is "great lover of Prabhupada." I learned some things about business from you, but they are not so important as your example of love for Prabhupada. Now here you are at the other end of your life from when we first met, still expressing your deep devotion to Prabhupada.
I don't see all your posts, but I appreciate the ones I read.
Regarding the poison, thank you for posting this. I have always thought the same things on hearing of this controversy.
Gargamuni Das my obeisances to you--a real pleasure to hear from you-pray you are well
Chandra Myers Thank you for this, Gargamuni. How mean-spirited these cruel mayavadis are...
S Dasi: Important that you have stated this emphatically. Brahmananda told me the same thing.
Adishesa Das Adikhari: Very well done Gargamuni, we need senior God brothers like you, who could eradicate any harmful gossiping that take's place due to evil mind and envy that comes from previous deeds and bad anarthas.
Gargamuni Das: took one year to study the conversations carefully -- one week to write and one day for permission from HDGSP to posts as I do for all my posts -- permission from the Acharya must be there.
Amara Das Wilhelm: Thanks so much for providing this. Any bhakta should know that the pure devotee of Krsna is personally protected by the Lord. If someone is thinking that a villain poisoned Srila Prabhupada without Krsna's knowledge or that Krsna was unable to stop it, that is complete nonsense.
Mayesvara Dasa: Thank you Gargamuni Das for your bold post and clarity. I too have done extensive research on this ugly rumor and came to the same conclusions as well as many other things. Most people have no idea of all the facts that reveal very clearly
DECEPTION: A true story about wounded souls, who extrapolated a murder conspiracy, from the ambiguous moments that occurred during the last months before their spiritual master departed.
PM Das: Regardless of whether or not His Divine Grace Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada was physically 'poisoned' can never be proven 100% either way. However, what has been proven is that those very individuals accused of poisoning Srila Prabhupada's vapu / body were prominent among those who have been most instrumental in poisoning His vani, His teachings, His instructions especially and particularly on the issue of guru tattva, and on the most excessive 'editing/adulteration' of His books.
I am certain had Srila Prabhupada been given the choice of being physically poisoned, or having His teachings, His instructions, and His books altered/poisoned I am certain He would have chosen the former.
[PADA: There are other evidences not even mentioned here, such as very sinister whispers on the poison tape that Gargamuni does not explain. Srila Prabhupada himself says he is being given poison.
However, when it comes to "Srila Prabhupada is influenced by the material nature," Gargamuni and Brahmananda were leaders in that process. They are the ones who said that Srila Prabhupada appointed 11 conditioned souls as Krishna's successors.
That would make Srila Prabhupada also a conditioned soul. They are the root persons involved in this deviation. Now they are evidently saying, Srila Prabhupada was complaining about poison, because he was in illusion? Another illusion? So what he did not say, that he had appointed 11 gurus, it what he allegedly did say. And what he ACTUALLY did say, I am being poisoned, is what he did not say? This is mayavada. Its just the same goody two shoes process that covers up all the crimes going on in the GBC program. ys pd]
PMD: My strong objection to Gargamuni writing the below article is what made him ban me!
Gargamuni Das
Today I wish to Dispel the dark evil theory by evil neophyte mayavadi devotees that HDGSP was purposely poisoned by some ambitious disciples. Five days before His dissappearance, HDGSP says--
Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? You said before that it is said that you were poisoned?
Prabhupada: No. These kind of symptoms are seen when a man is poisoned. He said like that. Not that I am poisoned.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. Did anyone tell you that, or you just know it from before?
Prabhupada: I read something.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation -- November 9, 1977, Vrndavana
From Oct 20, 1977.
HDGSP was taking the ayurvedic medicine 'Markata Dhvaja' which is composed of many ingredients including amounts of gold, mercury, pearl, tin, calcium, musk, arsenic etc. This medicine is very potent and can have two different reactions upon the patient.
[PADA: Yep, Gargamuni and Brahmananda were originally promoting the "appointed 11 gurus." In fact they severely chastised one of our friends for doubting "the 11 gurus." And they said the reason they knew the 11 had been appointed as gurus is -- "we were right there."
OK you guys were "right there" -- and all sorts of things were going on -- that you were evidently clueless about. Notice also that Gargamuni does not explain the other evidences, for example the poison whispers. Notice also that if Srila Prabhupada had appointed conditioned souls as Krishna's successors, that would have made him influenced by conditioned defects.]
This medicine is taken for Cardiac Stimulant, Nervine Stimulant, Digestive Stimulant, All types of Debilitating Conditions. One reaction would stimulate the organs to function normally, another reaction is a 'poisonous effect' on the organs. There was difference of opinions between different kaviraja's on this medicine, in addition, there are six different kinds of this medicine.
[PADA: Except that Dr. Khurana was convinced that poisoning was going on (he was afraid to speak up at the time). And Dr. Banamali said that the urine sample showed bone marrow in the urine, which is a sign of heavy metal poisoning. Sorry, these are similar conclusions. One of the Kavirajas said a raskshasa is giving poison here, its on the tape. A rakshasa is giving poison here is not a problem with bad medicines, its a problem of a bad person or persons with bad motives.]
Prabhupada: Now take makara-dhvaja, one dose, and leave everything for Krsna.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation -- October 22, 1977, Vrndavana
Bhakti-caru: [Hindi with kaviraja; discusses prostate]
He's saying that in this condition, Prabhupada can't take makara-dhvaja. That any medicine that contains mercury and arsenic is poison to him.
Bhavananda: That's what Prabhupada said.
Tamala Krsna: That is a fact. He found that to be true.
Bhakti-caru: [explaining] Makara-dhvaja is a brahmastra. For Prabhupada it's not good.
Bhavananda: He did agree with your own diagnosis Prabhupada. He said makara-dhvaja at this point would be poison, and today you said that it was poison.
Prabhupada: Yes.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation Kaviraja from Calcutta Arrives -- October 28, 1977, Vrndavana
Having 'poisonous effect' and 'being poisoned' are two different conceptions and the confused evil neophytes who possess a poor fund of knowledge try to contaminate innocent devotees by questioning HDGSP's divinity of being a 'Pure Devotee' who is never under the laws of material nature at any stage of physical existence.
[PADA: Gargamuni is evidently one of the people who argues that people like Jesus are mundane men, because they are attacked -- or even crucified -- by demons. Maharaja Pariksit was another mundane man because he was bitten by a snake bird, and so on and so forth.
Sorry, just because a devotee is attacked does not mean he is not protected by Krishna, or that he is not a pure devotee, and so on and so forth. Krishna may allow a pure devotee to be attacked, its possible.
And on the poison tape they say other acharyas have been poisoned and / or fed broken glass etc., and Srila Saraswati Thakura was attacked as well i.e. "my guru maharaja also." And later, one of the people involved in the poison investigation was fed broken ground up glass, as he discovered later on when he was passing blood.
There are also rumors that Gaura Govinda Maharaja, Suhotra Maharaja, Aindra das and others were taken from this world by some of the poison cabal folks. Oh but none of that matters because "I was right there, and none of this could have happened." Is this arrogance, or is this a person who does not want to go too far in rocking the boat, and criticizing the GBC to keep some sort of goody two shoes relationship with them?]
''Regarding your first question, a pure devotee is never under the modes of nature. In other words, no material laws apply on a devotee because he is fully under the direction of Krsna.''
Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: Madhudvisa -- Los Angeles 14 February, 1970
[PADA: Jesus, Maharaja Pariksit and others are "under the modes"?]
''One may argue that we may see a person who is spiritually engaged twenty-four hours a day but is still suffering from disease. In fact, however, he is neither suffering nor diseased; otherwise he could not be engaged twenty-four hours a day in spiritual activities. This is confirmed by Srila Rupa Gosvami "A person acting in the service of Krsna with his body, mind and words is a liberated person, even within the material world." (Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.187)
[PADA: Has nothing to do with pure devotees being attacked by rakshasas?]
Therefore, one is forbidden to regard the guru as an ordinary human being The spiritual master, or acarya, is always situated in the spiritual status of life. Birth, death, old age and disease do not affect him. According to the Hari-bhakti-vilasa, therefore, after the disappearance of an acarya, his body is never burnt to ashes, for it is a spiritual body. The spiritual body is always unaffected by material conditions.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 10.4.20
A Vaisnava is always protected by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but if he appears to be an invalid, this gives a chance to his disciples to serve him.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Adi 9.11
[PADA: So Srila Prabhupada was feeling mental distress from being poisoned by someone, and therefore, he was in illusion?]
As far as certain chemicals found after testing HDGSP sample hairs, India did not have purified bottle water during the 70's.
[PADA: So everyone in Vrndavana would have the same symptoms of bone marrow in their blood. That is not what happens is it?]
Mostly we lived on tubewell water or we would boil water. Or we were told to keep tubewell water in a clay jug and that would purify the water. The UN dug millions of tubewells all over India including Bengal at a depth of 40-60 feet. India Was and Is the largest user of pesticides in the world. Its no wonder that tubewell water would be filled of all kinds of chemicals.
Where I live presently the well from 300-600 feet is salty and also filled with every chemical you can think of. I stopped using it for bathing because developing skin rashes. So you see to find chemicals in hairs is not uncommon.
Final conclusion, is that we should listen to HDGSP instruction that He was not poisoned, but simply experienced a 'poisonous effect' from the potent medicine which HDGSP also experienced by taking olapathic medicine.
To listen to such demoniac nonsense from evil fake devotees is another form of 'mayavadi philosophy' which Lord Chaitanya says if heard will poison one's spiritual development forever.--your humble servant, in the service of HDGSP, gargamuni das.
M Chand: Yes maharaj ... This article is very inspiring. Some neophyte without proper knowledge are stuck with the ideas of poisoning Srila Prabhupada ... Recently i have encountered with such a person ... And this article is very helpful. Thank you so much ... hare krsna
CR: Wonderful Clarification ... Jai Srila Prabhupada
AD: Thank you!!
JB: Wow this is very helpful I must say I have read a lot about the poisoning allegations and GBC had not provided a response that could put the matter to rest. Reading this post I have got a good answer to the chemicals that were found in Srila Prabhupada's hair.
Swarup Hebel: The Internet is a double edged sword in this regard. On the one hand it is a very potent medium that can be used to make Srila Prabhupada's teachings available and accessible to everyone throughout the world, for devotees to connect with each other and to glorify Srila Prabhupada with inspiring quotes, photos, anecdotes, memories, etc. On the flip side it can also be used to distract and discourage aspiring devotees with all kinds of off the wall theories, rumors and opinions and to divide the devotee community.
Thank you Gargamuni Prabhu for being a positive and potent voice and for your humble and sincere service to Srila Prabhupada.
Dayananda Das Adhikary: Thank you, Gargamuni Prabhu. Let me first offer you my most respectful and affectionate obeisances. My first thought whenever thinking of you is "great lover of Prabhupada." I learned some things about business from you, but they are not so important as your example of love for Prabhupada. Now here you are at the other end of your life from when we first met, still expressing your deep devotion to Prabhupada.
I don't see all your posts, but I appreciate the ones I read.
Regarding the poison, thank you for posting this. I have always thought the same things on hearing of this controversy.
Gargamuni Das my obeisances to you--a real pleasure to hear from you-pray you are well
Chandra Myers Thank you for this, Gargamuni. How mean-spirited these cruel mayavadis are...
S Dasi: Important that you have stated this emphatically. Brahmananda told me the same thing.
Adishesa Das Adikhari: Very well done Gargamuni, we need senior God brothers like you, who could eradicate any harmful gossiping that take's place due to evil mind and envy that comes from previous deeds and bad anarthas.
Gargamuni Das: took one year to study the conversations carefully -- one week to write and one day for permission from HDGSP to posts as I do for all my posts -- permission from the Acharya must be there.
Amara Das Wilhelm: Thanks so much for providing this. Any bhakta should know that the pure devotee of Krsna is personally protected by the Lord. If someone is thinking that a villain poisoned Srila Prabhupada without Krsna's knowledge or that Krsna was unable to stop it, that is complete nonsense.
Mayesvara Dasa: Thank you Gargamuni Das for your bold post and clarity. I too have done extensive research on this ugly rumor and came to the same conclusions as well as many other things. Most people have no idea of all the facts that reveal very clearly
DECEPTION: A true story about wounded souls, who extrapolated a murder conspiracy, from the ambiguous moments that occurred during the last months before their spiritual master departed.
PM Das: Regardless of whether or not His Divine Grace Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada was physically 'poisoned' can never be proven 100% either way. However, what has been proven is that those very individuals accused of poisoning Srila Prabhupada's vapu / body were prominent among those who have been most instrumental in poisoning His vani, His teachings, His instructions especially and particularly on the issue of guru tattva, and on the most excessive 'editing/adulteration' of His books.
I am certain had Srila Prabhupada been given the choice of being physically poisoned, or having His teachings, His instructions, and His books altered/poisoned I am certain He would have chosen the former.
[PADA: There are other evidences not even mentioned here, such as very sinister whispers on the poison tape that Gargamuni does not explain. Srila Prabhupada himself says he is being given poison.
However, when it comes to "Srila Prabhupada is influenced by the material nature," Gargamuni and Brahmananda were leaders in that process. They are the ones who said that Srila Prabhupada appointed 11 conditioned souls as Krishna's successors.
That would make Srila Prabhupada also a conditioned soul. They are the root persons involved in this deviation. Now they are evidently saying, Srila Prabhupada was complaining about poison, because he was in illusion? Another illusion? So what he did not say, that he had appointed 11 gurus, it what he allegedly did say. And what he ACTUALLY did say, I am being poisoned, is what he did not say? This is mayavada. Its just the same goody two shoes process that covers up all the crimes going on in the GBC program. ys pd]
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