Serbia Devotee Discussion With PADA

Who is qualified to be Krishna's successor?

VV Serbia: Like they never admitted what to speak of correcting mistakes regarding guru tattva. Srila Prabhupada was crystal clear -- When I order you become guru He becomes regular guru that's all. Regular guru mean guru under strict regulations of sadhana bhakti-following 100%.

ASD: The most advanced devotees are not under the strict regulations of sadhana bhakti.

VV Serbia: Also that after training is complete - which is nistha level minimum - no personal desires at all and no hankering for anything of this world. From that level real bhakti is attained and such person with power of blessings and order of Srila Prabhupada is bonafide guru-but regular under strict regulations till attained bhava or prema bhakti.

PADA: Yes a regulated brahmana can perform the initiation ceremonies and Srila Prabhupada already had that system going when he was present, he called them his deputies. And a Governing Body Council would regulate these brahmanas, very similar to a Church Council that regulates and administers the organization. Yes, its very simple really. 

And there is no such thing as a Governing Body managing the acharyas, that is not making any sense. And that is the current problem, people like JAS are claiming to be Krishna's successors, so its nearly impossible to regulate and manage them, they think they are superiors to all advice and consultation. ys pd

VV Serbia: Prabhu PAMHO! AGTSP! Could you clarify little more since according our research so far we did not find any praman that Srila Prabhupada gave his order to become regular Guru to anyone, while he was present. Since he was clear that first proper adhikar must be attained or that training must be complete. Thank you very much, ys

Other thing is that quite a number of that regulated brahmanas appointed by GBC as initiating Gurus left after some years. Srila Bhaktisidhanta Saraswati Maharaja said in essence only utama adhikari is Sri Guru in real sence but madhyama adhikaris can also perform initiation ceremonys and initiate someone in spiritual life but he was clear that kanista adhikaris cant be Gurus since does not have needed adhikar. ys

PADA: Yes a regulated brahmana can perform the initiation ceremonies and Srila Prabhupada already had that system going when he was present, he called them his deputies. And a Governing Body Council would regulate these brahmanas, very similar to a Church Council that regulates and administers the organization. Yes, its very simple really. And there is no such thing as a Governing Body managing the acharyas, that is not making any sense. And that is the current problem, people like JAS are claiming to be Krishna's successors, so its nearly impossible to regulate and manage them, they think they are superiors to all advice and consultation. ys pd

VV Serbia: Thank you prabhu very much! Can you answer then what what should some of us do since that deputies left and we received also Gayatri mantras from them - should we continue to also chant gayatri mantras although when chant 2 mantras for Guru we can now meditate on Srila Prabhupada as sampradaya acharya and main siksha guru. We can't claim that we are diksha disciples of Srila Prabhupada but siksha yes we claim that as most important relationship which we developed in whole existence! Srila Prabhupada actually saved as in form in his vani in books. From him we received Hare Krishna mantra and started to chant regularly at least 16 rounds daily and follow principles laid by him. ys

Actually power node of corruptions and deviations is that body since 78 plus many managers in managerial structure. Srila Prabhupada suspended them for attempt to centralize everything. So far also about 2000 children were abused and some murders and women abuse and different philosophical deviations like 11 utama maha bhagavata hoax and managerial disasters etc..... from spiritual point of view he suspended them long ago..... yes or no? 

Srila Prabhupada and shastras are clear that we should not follow blindly and SP wrote that when we observe all that we must stick to Sri Guru Srila Prabhupada of course. CC. But someone change stick to institution! Well sorry we stick to Srila Prabhupada and his vani with respect to all those who also stick to Srila Prabhupada. ys

PADA: Srila Prabhupada's gayatri is available on youtube and I advise people, to listen to that audio. Many people here in San Francisco have had one, two, three gurus who fell down and I advise them to simply worship Srila Prabhupada and offer their bhogha to him and read his books and accept him as their guru. A neophyte cannot be a diksha guru because he cannot absorb the sins of other neophytes. 

My children and others never had any of these problems because they always offered their bhogha to Srila Prabhupada and read his original books, while their contemporaries, so called "gurukulis" have had one, two, three failed gurus. 

That system simply is not working well, because its artificial. A neophyte cannot absorb the sins of another neophyte, that is because -- as Srila Prabhupada told us -- the neophyte does not have brahmana tejyas to burn off the sins, so he becomes overwhelmed, and fails. And his disciples also fail because their sins are not absolved. Acarya upasanam is the principle, take shelter of the acharya, there is no substitute system. ys pd

VV Serbia: By the way when you said GBC should oversee regulated brahmanas but we can observe from spring 78 that actually that body seriously deviated from instructions and clear mandate given by Srila Prabhupada. Kailash Chandra has described this. 

PADA: Yes, that is the advice I give people, stick with the acharya and not with false representations of the acharya. Its very simple, and the same thing applies to Krishna, we worship Krishna and we do not worship make pretend Krishnas. 

Unfortunately, when I told Kailash people should offer their bhogha to the acharya he said that is the bogus Christian's idea, he said we cannot make offerings to departed posthumous persons. Sorry, the acharyas are eternal and they are always living, and living in their vani and in their sincere followers. So that is also why Srila Prabhupada said many time, "don't change it." 

Don't change the books, don't start offering bhogha to conditioned souls, don't change anything. The process he gave is ongoing, and should not be altered. Srila Prabhupada personally trained me to do the deity pooja when we installed deities in India, then they were shipped to USA. He said if there is the slightest change to the bhogha offering, its not accepted by Krishna. That is the rule, it cannot be changed. 

Then we have people like Torben, Ajit Krishna, Hanuman Croatia ilk, and they say we cannot worship a departed person so we need to worship people voted into their oral sex with taxi driver's in the holy dham guru parampara like Bhakti Vikas swami. 

As soon as they find some nice homsex, heterosex, anal sex, oral sex, child sex, sex with maybe with goats -- guru parampara -- they fall down and lick the boots of the people in that sampradaya thinking they have found Vaikuntha. And Hanuman worships the dead carcass of Radhanath's best pal Sridhara Swami. 

So they are summed up by themselves, Jayadvaita sways they have an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara. We agree with their assessment. Did I forget to mention illicit sex with men, women and children guru paramparas are not bona fide? 

And now Bhakti Charu people are glorifying him, because he is another member of the illicit sex acharyas program. They forgot, illicit sex acharya programs are going to hell in a hand basket, they are not approved by Krishna. EVER! 

Anyway, more people are waking up. Goody! 

  

ys pd