ISKCON Zagreb/ Hanuman Croatia / Kailash Chandra / Bhakti Vikas swami

Another fine mess you made!

Response by Bhuta Bhavana das

Bhuta Bhavana das sent the following response to Divya Prabandha, which, of course, will not change anything, because we are talking about the Gestapo here, and Gestapo is not rational. But it sheds a light on the whole situation:

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My prabhu, you were suspended twice and now that you finally became an officer you are suspending others. It is interesting how this represents the pinnacle of your hypocrisy: you first kick out people from the movement and then you ask them: “What are they doing with their spiritual life”. Same stupid question that you are asking me now, I was asked by Suvarna Bindu two months ago: “Who is that bearded guy (Kailash Chandra) and what is his practice?” 

That bearded guy was secretary in the GBC in the eighties (he is Srila Prabhupada’s twice initiated disciple) who had manuscripts of black and dirty conversations of eleven self-proclaimed mahabhagavatas with Gaudiya Math who pushed out a big lie less than 10 years after Srila Prabhupada left this world. 

After that, he was the editor of Sulocana’s book, and the first one who wrote a paper against the Rtviks, and then one Swami from ISKCON, Tripurari, asked him if they could take his version and integrate it into their own ISKCON version of the story against rtviks. Actually, they made another concoction. Your knowledge of history is not proper.

[PADA: This is apparently the correct history. Kailash Chandra has been writing exactly what the bogus GBC and Gaudiya Matha's Sridhara Maharaja say, we need to worship a living guru and we cannot worship a departed (posthumous) person aka Krishna's eternal pure devotee. Yep, if there is one thing we cannot have, its people worshiping the pure devotees! That's a giant no no!

We are having this same problem right now with a devotee who has recently "rejected the local GBC guru." Ooops! Yet he is still arguing with PADA that our Prabhupadanuga idea is "a guru in the air." OK fine, he is just like Rocana / Kailash / Hanuman Croatia / Torben etc. and has rejected the GBC's gurus, Gaudiya Matha's gurus, and our Prabhupadanuga idea as "the Christian idea" therefore -- who is this guys' guru? 

Yep, total stumped the guy. He has not replied. No kidding, there is no "good reply" when one cannot even identify -- who is one's guru? We have a guru in the air, ok we at least have one somewhere, but he has a guru in -- nowhere at all, neither air, land, sea or outer space? OK his guru does not exist.

Kailash says our Prabhupadanugas have the bogus "posthumous guru" Christian idea. And therefore no one should worship our so-called departed pure devotee, we need to worship various "living" conditioned souls (as the Gaudiya Matha does). So its sort of like the Christian idea of -- awaiting the second coming, fine except what if there is no second coming? And who do we worship in the meantime while we await the second coming? Nobody knows? 

Then, the GBC's folks (like Trivrikrama swami et al.) loved Kailash's "posthumous Christian" idea -- and thus these GBC folks began circulating Kailash Chandra's writings inside ISKCON. Evidently Tripurari swami also enjoys this position, because he is part of the Sridhara Maharaja group as one of their gurus. Did I forget to mention that the "living gurus" in various of these programs are sometimes debauchees, homosexuals, sexual predators and deviants?

So this has been the argument of the living guru folks all along, no one is allowed to worship the "departed" pure devotees, we have to worship either their concocted gurus, or even worse -- worship no one. Of course Hanuman Croatia worships Radhanath's best friends like dead and gone carcass Sridhara Swami, a certified "voted in" members of the pedophile guru lineage. 

Hanuman also promotes Bhakti Vikas swami, a person who just now says that the book changes issue is "very complicated." And he gives some rambling mumbo jumbo explanation of one verse from the Gita to make it appear complex. That makes it harder for people to accept and read these books. Umm its complex, well it is --- for these guys.] 

Back to the subject: you are pushing a method which is not actually Srila Prabhupada’s method and we have all the evidence which give exactly opposite examples, in the conversations and letters, where some temple presidents GBC men asked Prabhupada if the can throw somebody out of the temple, but Prabhupada didn’t allow it. What to speak of throwing somebody out of the institution. Do I need to send you quotes?

[PADA: Right. Anyone who worships Prabhupada is subject to being kicked out, and Kailash is encouraging that process by saying our Prabhupadanuga devotees are bogus ritviks (so kick them out). Thus Kailash is the sort of like the behind the scenes writer / helping along handmaiden / of the GBC's anti-Prabhupada worship process, just like various Gaudiya Matha folks also ghost wrote papers for the GBC. Even Gaura Govinda Maharaja was ghost writing papers for the GBC. So these GBC "position paper" writing folks are always on hand to help the regime. 

Sulochana said these "scholarly writers" are the sort of Joseph Goebbels types who write for Hitler, and then their documents are circulated in the GBC camp to pour gasoline on the poor Prabhupada folks. Sulochana said, a successful Hitler has to have a powerful master manipulating writer like Joseph Goebbels, doing the behind the scenes propaganda writing. 

And Kailash writes papers that the GBC folks agree with and distribute. Then the followers of Kailash think they are doing something different from the GBC. Nope. Same identical process, do not worship the pure devotee, its the bogus Christian deviation! Of course, we have a pocketful of neophytes and deviants you CAN worship.] 

And after Srila Prabhupada left, when the time came to say one plus one equals two in the form of bitter truths: then thousands of devotees similar to Kailasa Candra were kicked from the movement and the good part of which went to Maya.

[PADA: Partially correct. Kailash was kicked out for saying that the Zonal Gurus took more worship than they should have, but he still believes immature devotees can pose as diksha gurus, which is why the GBC likes his program. Its the same idea as theirs. And this is also why Hanuman Croatia likes Kailash -- they all believe that conditioned souls can absorb sins like Jesus and everything is going to work out fine if we adopt that principle. Exactly what the GBC has said since 1978.] 

And the rest of them who stayed silent and bought the dogma automatically became degraded, stepped down from madhyama adhikari level and became bogus sahajiyas. 

[PADA: For some odd reason Kailash keeps making a reference to madhyama level gurus, but deviants -- and the people who support deviants as gurus -- are not qualified madhyama platform. Even neophytes do not promote deviants as acharyas. Of course this explains why these folks are always attacking "the bogus Christians" because the Christians refuse to worship neophytes and deviants as their guru. Worse, the "bogus Christians" police and FBI saved me from being assassinated by the GBC's / Kailash's living guru process.]  

Such silence doesn’t have anything to do with satyam. And horizontal spread of the international movement, by looking at the external aspects through quantity is not a proof of sincere Krishna consciousness. For example, FDG issue is just a distraction from what is a true problem.

[PADA: Yep, every time we turn around there is one after another new crisis problem with these maverick, out of touch and out of control gurus. Kailash's apa-siddhanta twin Rocana says rubber stamping gurus is not the problem, we just need to have tighter enforcement of making sure these gurus follow GBC rules and stay on track. That means he admits his gurus may (probably will?) deviate and need correcting. How do we correct the guru? And if gurus need correcting, why would anyone follow them in the first place?] 

After Srila Prabhupada left the world, as soon as his disciples introduced the Zonal acarya imposition, this turned out the ventilator from the power outlet (in this case it disconnected the movement from the parampara), and it seems that propeller is still running (due to accumulated spiritual potency which was brought in by Prabhupada throughout all these years). 

[PADA: This is another odd complaint we hear all the time from Rocana / Kailash / GBC types "we had in the past the Zonal guru deviation." Nope, the GBC's gurus still have geographical zones NOW, and have had zones all along. Every year at Mayapur the "Zones" of the Zonal gurus are delineated, and this has been the case since 1978. Jayapataka for example has had the Zone of Mayapur the whole while, this has never changed.]

But, propeller is now almost stopped. ISKCON in an apa-sampradaya.

[PADA: There was some initial momentum in 1978 that kept the movement going for some time, but now, the spinning propeller is slowing and stopping. Correct.]

Now, let’s clear one thing, Adhata das called me 4 days ago, and he personally asked me about Kailasa Candra, because he heard about him somehow. I don’t know how. He asked me three times that he wants to hear his lecture. 

After I gave him a few presentations by Kailasa Candra, he reported it in, and here comes Devarsi Narada after one or two days, big promotor of lies and overestimated imaginations, he comes in defending Adhata and making fabrication of this letter that I am sending this to other devotees. 

I sent this letter only to Adhata because he asked me. I never pushed anything to anybody. And this Adhata guy now blocked me, telling me not to write to him anymore. Poor guy, depressed and scared from the obvious dark reality, or from presentation I gave him before the video.

What is this “heavy preaching” accusation? Devarsi needs to be replaced, or even better, for the benefit of all people of the Zagreb city, close that house of show programs and stop this overlordship. Get out and distribute books.

Such lying from the same temple president who is serial divorcee, he beat up the first wife, and had children with both wives. Now he is divorced again, and as a reward, he has the status of the temple president. 

I congratulate you. Are you naturally stupid or you received training? I kept this within myself for a long time. and now I am opening my mind because I don’t understand how you allowed such a compromise. And even worse mutation happened when Vedanta Krit slept in the women’s quarters, and Devarsi and Suvarna allowed that to happen. 

All that is not important, but Bhuta Bhavana has to go out for a psychiatric treatment with another serial divorcee, who is also a main preacher in ISKCON Zagreb. Maybe he will give me one of his massage girls to massage my anarthas out of my body so that I will forget all the offences that I made. 

[PADA: Yes, we posted some articles previously from a woman who was complaining how women are being exploited and mistreated in that area. A serial divorcee should not be placed in charge of the women, there is going to be trouble from such a character, and that is simply common sense.]

And Devarshi now has to guts to punish people and throw out those who quote Prabhupada on the Vanipedia board, making a conclusion that I am speaking against Srila Prabhupada by quoting Srila Prabhupada. And Bhakti Vikasa Swami writes me in the letter “association of great devotees in ISKCON Zagreb”. This is too much. Let the whole movement go to hell.

[PADA: Yes, an apparent serial divorcee, woman beater, has children from various women etc., sounds like a low life person that the GBC has selected as their manager there. And Bhakti Vikas swami says, this is great association? So he is endorsing these people as leaders and good association. And BVKS just made a rambling video about books changes, saying the books need changing. A young couple told me -- BVKS is trying to get people to lose faith in the books -- thinking they are contaminated and faulty. And this is Hanuman and Patita Pavana dasa's "great example of preaching"? People should now doubt the shastra? ys pd] 

Kailash Chandra das

A) Worship GBC's gurus? Bogus!

B) Worship Gaudiya Matha's gurus? Bogus!

C) Worship Jesus? Bogus posthumous worship!

D) Worship Prabhupada? Bogus Christian idea! 

E) Who is left to listen to and offer our bhogha to? Kailash Chandra? 

F) Therefore, let me write "scholarly position papers" to be used and distributed by -- the bogus GBC's gurus?

Fighting you own shadow? Heh heh heh!