PADA: It always amazes us at PADA when people -- mostly from India, are wondering what is the difference between the GBC's homosexual pedophile acharya's program, and worshiping a pure devotee? And it is almost always "a property dispute."
Same with Dayalu nitai's HKC Jaipur folks. They gave me the same argument, well jeepers PADA is aligned with promoting Srila Prabhupada as the acharya with Bangalore. And he is not helping us promote Radhanath's pedophile guru process, and this is "mundane politics" and "all about money and property." OK except even mundane politics and politicians do not support cheer leaders of pedophile worship?
Umm, that is the problem ISKCON is having here in the West. People here are not interested in worshiping a homosexual and pedophile messiahs' program, full stop period. And they don't care anything about money, property and buildings being endlessly discussed.
They know that is NOT the real issue. Deviants are not God's successors, full stop period. The pedophile messiahs project is trying to say this is an argument about money, and some folks think that is valid. Nope, it is a means of diverting from the real issue: deviants are not, were not, could not have been -- God's successors. ys pd
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PRIORITY OF KNOWING THE RITVIK ORDER
@Jay-aka-b3y All devotees and aspiring devotees should approach this whole Ritvik and Current Iskcon Guru system with the greatest humility, openness and 100% truthful heart and mind and look at the totality of all the evidence and videos from both sides to come to an informed decision. The question should be what is it that Srila Prabhupada taught and what did he really desire and expect.
I have come across a quote from Srila Prabhupada "one should surrender with intelligence and not surrender their intelligence" This whole Iskcon Guru / Ritvik issue deserves full, fair and proper consideration. Devotees and others should not be/feel pressured or forced into accepting a certain position. One should not surrender their intelligence just because of pressure or circumstances.
This issue is just way too big. Srila Prabhupada and The Movement he created should be at the centre of a devotees decision making in my humble opinion. I have noticed that some Iskcon devotees are making videos with emphasis on just selected quotes/give an interpretation to support what they believe and some people/devotees seem to be just accepting that video as conclusive evidence. That does not really seem to do justice to the topic.
I feel that everyone should look at all the evidence and documents properly and watch videos from both sides including the videos that refer to previous/other videos as that is when certain points are fully/properly considered. We should all approach this issue with a very open heart and mind and consider with intelligence & logic and then make a decision rather than just rushing to a decision either way.
One thing that is crystal clear, by not following the 9th July 1977 letter as it is, the result has not been good at all for Iskcon and their devotees, so many fallen down gurus and so many heartbroken disciples. Srila Prabhupada created such a beautiful movement and spread such wonderful teaching and practises. Some Devotees/People, say why bother with all this politics/issues, just carry out your spiritual practices. However, this issues goes to the very heart / foundation of the movement, the teaching and every devotees spiritual life.
If we really have true affection for Srila Prabhupada, an ounce of love for him and care for aspiring devotees, surely this is the issue that we would want dealt with and corrections made as required. Having said that, I understand that it is not so easy. It is so nice to see some devotees just not giving up the fight for truth and justice, like, Madhu Pandit Das and IRM and ISKM.
Even if there are some differences between them, they stood / stand against against the current guru system and what happened in the Movement after Srila Prabhupada physically left this world. I have not fully made my mind up on the issue, but having carefully listened to videos/counter videos from both sides, the documents and seeing the result of the Gurus system after Srila Prabhupada physically left the world, then the Pyramid House Confession by Tamal Krishna Goswami (which were on the next level) and then GBC Resolution 409, the more that I am starting to think more and more that the Ritvik school of though and devotees are actually on the correct side of this whole guru issue.
I love Iskcon, the teachings, the temples, the practices and I have immense affection and gratitude for Srila Prabhupada, but that does not mean that I should just ignore well established documents and evidence which may / do go against what I believed and was taught for so many years. I even had some of the gurus attend my home and perform beautiful house programs.
Still, I should not surrender my intelligence. I am not going to criticise or judge anyone, these are just my personal thoughts after much careful consideration. Trnad Api Sunicena " One should be more humbler than a blade of Grass.... " What a different history Iskcon would have had if there were no self appointed gurus and no creation of the zonal acharya system and no continuation of appointing new guru after new guru after new guru even after fall down after fall down and now the GBC Resolution 409 which appears to remove the requirement of a Diksha Guru being an uttama adhikäri or “pure devotee”
Surely, that was not what Srila Prabhupada taught or would have wanted? However, I stand to be corrected on both of these latter two points, and please do so if I have misunderstood the position. But please remember Trnad Api sunicena teachings in all exchanges " One should be more humble than a blade of grass.............." I also wonder whether there are devotees who are so part of ISKCON or Initiated or scared of accepting the Ritvik school of thought, but in their hearts and minds they feel or even know that just possibly the Ritvik approach may actually be the correct approach and / or would have saved the movement from multiple guru falldowns, but just feel they cannot come out and speak out and / or cannot fight the current system and and for good reasons.
Nobody wants to be isolated from the movement or association of devotees especially if it is a massive part of your life/is your life. It is truly heartbreaking this guru issue and the impact it has had on so many devotees and is having. Still, we can continue to develop or love and gratitude for Srila Prabhupada and never give up on his teachings and practices. What he created and achieved was and continues to be magnanimous and has the potential to still create so much love and unity in the world and to help so many people achieve/progress to the true purpose of this human life.
RELIGIO-INSTITUTIONAL PSYWAR
leadership.
As I have been seeking ways in which to weaken the GBC and in particular the Vrndavan’s Gurukula’s hold on ISKCON Vrndavan in order to protect Aindra Prabhu’s home and his 24 Hour Kirtan Program he grew more interested in my efforts and although I did not involve him directly I kept him very well informed of my various activities.
As I developed my website “PrabhupadaVision.com” he began to think of writing articles that I could post for him on my website so he could become involved in dealing with the problems that we all face in our Krsna Consciousness Movement, caused by the errant GBC.
Rubber Stamped Gurus and Apologistic devotees of ISKCON.
Following is his first and sadly only article as this new aspect of his life was cut short due to his untimely passing. We would joke that he would never be able to use an alias, as his distinctive writing style would immediately give him away. However I managed to convince him to use an alias for this first article due to the sensitive nature of his tenure at the ISKCON Vrndavan Temple.
He wanted me to edit the following article, however, since he is no longer present and would not be able to micro manage any attempt at editing his work, I decided to publish it unedited. Although I use the alias that he wanted, I believe that now, as he is no longer present, and does not have to face any backlash for his thoughts, he should speak for himself.
Yours in the service of my dear friend Aindra Prabhu and Srila Prabhupada
Krsnacandra Dasa
RELIGIO-INSTITUTIONAL PSYWAR
[Principles of psychological disempowerment]
1. Convince the enemy [us, the laity] that there is no war – so we see no cause for alarm.
4. Quell the resistance before it has a chance to raise its ugly head. Slander, scorn, and/or eliminate dissenters [the audacious few who break the code of silence] to demoralize further potential protests.
The institutional power elites are small in number [potentially weak] but at present considerably organized and dominant – though not very popular. We, the unvoiced majority, are potentially powerful but presently misinformed, under-educated, apathetic, obsequious, disarrayed, and disorganized – too busy with our dumbed-down pursuit of our daily fare to think very deeply about anything.
The power elites, by exercising their political leverage, have quite a handle on the temporal institutional facilities [men, money, social and organizational infrastructure, media (spin control), etc.] They are parasitic in behavior, fat, corrupt, speculative, deceitful, increasingly sluggish, and paranoid. We the laity control very little of the institutional hardware.
It will be very difficult for us to erect a power structure as they have to counter their political advantage within the context of “their” establishment. Yet those of us who are awake to the power elite’s misguided agenda to stealthily hijack, dysfunctionalize, and derail, from within, the Krishna consciousness movement by incremental trans-sectarian interfaith homogenization can and must assiduously acquaint ourselves and others with the true principles of sampradaya as per the gaudiya-siddhanta according to the statements of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
Prabhupada and the previous acaryas.
WAKE UP PRABHUS! EVERYONE WAKE UP!
Everything is not alright. We have been and are being purposely steered off course. Do not acquiesce to any so-called leader’s [or any group of so-called leaders’] deviant philosophical misconstructions. Understand the issues: errant material control systems, corporatization, centralization, bureaucratization, social
liberalization, rubberstamped guruship, psychologically coerced communal compliance, marginalization of nama-sankirtana, contractual institutional commitment, etc.
vulnerability to broad-scope multi-level globalist infiltration. They rely on our ease-loving ignorance, our tendency to gravitate through the supposed path of least resistance, and our lazy disinclination to stand up against all odds to fight for truth on behalf of our predecessor acaryas.
strength. Temporal institutional might does not make right. Even if the
clandestine manipulators of institutional affairs are able to nefariously usurp the external institutional set-up, they can neither usurp our souls nor will they ever win our heartfelt comraderie.
revolution with or without their consent or cooperation. The biggest bubble of maya can doubtlessly be burst by the minutest pinprick of genuine Krishna consciousness. The critical mass of our spark-like grass-roots Krishna consciousness will ultimately prevail and conflagrate their insinuative billowing-cotton-like mayic institutional tyranny.
6. Organize a grass roots signature campaign to express the general lack of confidence in the current institutional leadership.
7. Transition from the problem-think to the solution-think mind-set.
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