Pamho, Agtsp.
An unfortunate state of affairs has unfolded in the NA GBC. This time i am writing really helplessly, please read.
ISKCON NA always wants to be first at many things, not moon landings but weird achievements now a days. The first was a “designated smoking area” in New Vrindaban. This is a first. I mean, what could be more monumental than to please mlecchas? Instead of preaching and cultivating them, we allow them to smoke in a designated area. What could be more progressive?
If someone gives money, let him smoke. Is customer service greater than Srila Prabhupada's teachings, no?
I was fully convinced that ISKCON has gone into a Bankrupted survival mode when I heard the next news that another first that ISKCON had selected their first Female Diksha Guru. Now I know this is not a spiritual organization but
another organization trying to please the public for its survival. When feminism has increased divorces, independent single women etc in society so why should ISKCON not apply a progressively destructive idea so that women don’t have to follow men anymore.
[PADA: A number of women have complained to PADA that making a few women into gurus and allowing them to have a few disciples does not really empower women as a group in the ISKCON society. The fact is, thousands and thousands of women have fled, abandoned and left ISKCON wholesale -- because they felt they were being used and exploited.
And trying to patch things up now by making a few women into gurus is not sufficient to change the mass alienation. Neither does it solve the issue that conditioned souls cannot take karma, either male or female.
Worse, making women part of an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara implicates them in that deviation. It makes it look like some women are endorsing the overall pedophile worship process of the current ISKCON GBC. And recently this was confirmed when a media person was asking me -- just now -- about Lokanath, that means many regular citizens from the general public are aware that ISKCON worships pedophiles as its messiahs.]
Just as the "Designated smoking area" in New Vrindavan, ISKCON NA has made
a designated area for customers who want products as per their needs or bad
habits.
This clearly shows that ISKCON will not survive spiritually as they will keep bowing to public demand. Now a smoking area and Diksha Guru.
We have already had Gay Marriage by Bhakti Marga swami, who doesn't understand that Gay is a form of sex, not marriage. Probably Anuttama
thought that Gays could be married by Hridayananada and Bhakti Marga Swami,
then a female diksha guru should be no problem. The slippery slope of cascading deviations.
North American GBC dragged the issue of HH Lokanath Swami just to use it as
a bargaining chip to come to this point. Using that issue -- remember Anuttama
called Indians "Brown Rapists ."Now I realize why we need this. In Indian politics, the goal is to destroy Brahmanas and the so-called Brahminical patriarchy. The same purpose is that of liberals like Anuttama and Malati, who do not want to see anything of indan except money.
[PADA: Actually Lokanath himself made the plea that India makes a class of "brown rapists" because he claimed that he was touching young girls due to his bad training (immature ideas about sex?) in India as a child. Lokanath basically said his parents were helping him to become a pervert, and this is a common problem in India culture. So, the India ICC threw the entire culture of India under the bus to save their pervert messiah.
Just as the "Designated smoking area" in New Vrindavan, ISKCON NA has made
a designated area for customers who want products as per their needs or bad
habits.
This clearly shows that ISKCON will not survive spiritually as they will keep bowing to public demand. Now a smoking area and Diksha Guru.
We have already had Gay Marriage by Bhakti Marga swami, who doesn't understand that Gay is a form of sex, not marriage. Probably Anuttama
thought that Gays could be married by Hridayananada and Bhakti Marga Swami,
then a female diksha guru should be no problem. The slippery slope of cascading deviations.
North American GBC dragged the issue of HH Lokanath Swami just to use it as
a bargaining chip to come to this point. Using that issue -- remember Anuttama
called Indians "Brown Rapists ."Now I realize why we need this. In Indian politics, the goal is to destroy Brahmanas and the so-called Brahminical patriarchy. The same purpose is that of liberals like Anuttama and Malati, who do not want to see anything of indan except money.
[PADA: Actually Lokanath himself made the plea that India makes a class of "brown rapists" because he claimed that he was touching young girls due to his bad training (immature ideas about sex?) in India as a child. Lokanath basically said his parents were helping him to become a pervert, and this is a common problem in India culture. So, the India ICC threw the entire culture of India under the bus to save their pervert messiah.
Oddly, the India ICC people said we mlecchas cannot understand India culture. Whaoo! We do understand India culture, i.e. illicit sex is forbidden, either with the unmarried, married, and especially children. Full stop period. Lokanath and his India ICC are trying to claim that molesters are created by the India culture there, they have misunderstood / misrepresented the culture. Even us mlecchas know that perverts are not part of the culture of India.
Worse, the ISKCON GBC / ICC are trying to say that pedophiles are often the successors to God Almighty. And we are mlecchas, agreed. But we mlecchas would never dream of claiming that deviants are God's successors -- in our wildest nightmares.
Because? We mlecchas understand one simply thing -- God is -- God Almighty, and insulting Him as having perverts, crooks, deviants, drunks, porno swamis, pedophiles etc. as HIS replacements and saksat hari tvena successors is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Attacking God Almighty is something we mlecchas know in advance NEVER ENDS WELL. Insulting and attacking God is how WE ALL FELL TO HELL in the first place.]
Every time I talk to any of these GBC, their discussion only turns to fundraise from Indians. ISKCON North America has not progressed much after Srila Prabhupada.
1. During Srila Prabhupada's time, there were around 50 temples, and the number remained pretty much stagnant except where Indians dominated.
2. Whereas more than 1800 temples have sprung up in North America and the population of Hindus is about 3 million, the number of initiated people remains hardly anything significant, whether among Indians or the local population in America.
3. If you put all the temples in America together, maybe the congregation is half that of Chowpatty or Delhi's Punjabi bagh.
4. With such a low representation in the richest and the most open country in the world, where millions practice Yoga, the GBC must be ashamed that all they could achieve in customer service was a designated smoking area in New Vrindaban and one female diksha guru in Alachua Florida.
5. Now, as our dear Kalakanta Prabhu said in this "She can be guru" video that many millions will flock to get initiation from women when hardly the total number of initiated devotees including Srila Prabhupada disciples is not more than 11,000 in all of North America even if they double it in two years will be a great achievement. With the level of preaching on and providing people with "Designated smoking area" in the name of begging money and appointing women Diksha gurus to please the liberals and feminists in the name of customer service, disregarding sastra, GBC has shown how impotent it is.
6. GBC seriously needs more members from India. Indian devotees can only save this movement.
On the one hand, this rot is going on. On the other hand, Atlanta Sankirtan, in Mahotsaha Prabhu and Bhakti Vikasa Swami, is creating a sensation and making devotees from locals.
Every time I talk to any of these GBC, their discussion only turns to fundraise from Indians. ISKCON North America has not progressed much after Srila Prabhupada.
1. During Srila Prabhupada's time, there were around 50 temples, and the number remained pretty much stagnant except where Indians dominated.
2. Whereas more than 1800 temples have sprung up in North America and the population of Hindus is about 3 million, the number of initiated people remains hardly anything significant, whether among Indians or the local population in America.
3. If you put all the temples in America together, maybe the congregation is half that of Chowpatty or Delhi's Punjabi bagh.
4. With such a low representation in the richest and the most open country in the world, where millions practice Yoga, the GBC must be ashamed that all they could achieve in customer service was a designated smoking area in New Vrindaban and one female diksha guru in Alachua Florida.
5. Now, as our dear Kalakanta Prabhu said in this "She can be guru" video that many millions will flock to get initiation from women when hardly the total number of initiated devotees including Srila Prabhupada disciples is not more than 11,000 in all of North America even if they double it in two years will be a great achievement. With the level of preaching on and providing people with "Designated smoking area" in the name of begging money and appointing women Diksha gurus to please the liberals and feminists in the name of customer service, disregarding sastra, GBC has shown how impotent it is.
6. GBC seriously needs more members from India. Indian devotees can only save this movement.
On the one hand, this rot is going on. On the other hand, Atlanta Sankirtan, in Mahotsaha Prabhu and Bhakti Vikasa Swami, is creating a sensation and making devotees from locals.
[PADA: Bhakti Vikas swami cleverly made pedophiles into messiahs so he could burn down ISKCON, then he could come forward later as the fire man who is saving ISKCON from the fire he started. But notice, he is not using the name of ISKCON. Even he knows, he has contaminated and ruined that name. BVKS is STILL TODAY with Basu Ghosh and Lokanath pedophile messiah's club, and he always has been. He always wanted to have our children worship his pedophile pals -- and that has not changed since 1978.]
So my request to all of you is if we want to prevent more smoking areas in ISKCON NA and stop ISKCON NA from going up in smoke in the name of customer service, Gay marriage, Feminism etc., please send preachers from India
urgently. I am sure we can eliminate the advances of Kali-yuga in two years, at least among the cultured devotees and the serious ones. Those who are advanced convince others those who are not simple compromise. Enough is enough.
Please send people like Kamallochan pr, Radhey Shyam Prabhu, Bhakti Vikasa Swami and his disciples more like Mahotsaha Dasa and others from India
please come here and preach and save the temples of Srila Prabhuapda.
Please find the picture of the designated smoking area like the FDG situation in NA.
Your aspiring servant,
Dr. Sameer Chaturvedi.
[PADA: Bhakti Vikas swami disciples have told me straight up, it is common for acharyas to fall into illicit sex with men, women and children; or acharyas are or can be pedophiles etc. We do not need more of that "preaching."
urgently. I am sure we can eliminate the advances of Kali-yuga in two years, at least among the cultured devotees and the serious ones. Those who are advanced convince others those who are not simple compromise. Enough is enough.
Please send people like Kamallochan pr, Radhey Shyam Prabhu, Bhakti Vikasa Swami and his disciples more like Mahotsaha Dasa and others from India
please come here and preach and save the temples of Srila Prabhuapda.
Please find the picture of the designated smoking area like the FDG situation in NA.
Your aspiring servant,
Dr. Sameer Chaturvedi.
[PADA: Bhakti Vikas swami disciples have told me straight up, it is common for acharyas to fall into illicit sex with men, women and children; or acharyas are or can be pedophiles etc. We do not need more of that "preaching."
We would be much better off going to the Catholic Church's annual beef roast, where at least no one is saying God's successors are pedophiles. At least those people have some basic respect for God Almighty, and that means they know only a pure person can be the successor to God.
Bhakti Vikas and his pedophile messiah club pals need not apply for the messiah's job. Do not send the supporters of their pedophile messiahs like BVKS and his pedophile messiah's boot lickers to the USA, we will not accept that here on any wide scale.
It will always be a teeny pervert worship cult and nothing more. BVKS even says his pedophile worship club is "part of the eternal parampara." Wow, he thinks he can make his children touching messiahs "eternal." That is called illusion.
Dr. Chaturvedi, we do not need more India people here -- who think pedophile acharyas are part of the bad training they get in India culture. We do not need BVKS and his illicit sex with men, women and children acharyas club either.
BVKS is voted in as guru at the recoronation of oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham as the Vishnupada of BVKS' guru club. BVKS confirmed -- oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham is his Vishnupada acharya, that means, he hates Lord Vishnu. We do not need Lord Vishnu haters to come here to save us.
They will take us down to the most obnoxious regions along with them. Send us India people who understand what we mlecchas understand, God is the Almighty person. Making pedophiles into God's successors by BVKS' contrived tricks and deviations will simply make God angry and upset, and that will be bad news for all who are implicated.
We mlecchas know these facts, whereas BVKS and his India followers are still trying to cram their oral sex with tax drivers in the dham Vishnupada messiah's program forward, their Lokanath child touching rascal's messiah's program forward, their drunk and disorderly Reno gambling and machine gun swami successors to God etc., and this will never become widely accepted in the West. Never.
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M Dasi: Send us more Indians! You mean the same Indians who come to the temple here ... to give financial support for the GBC. And that means ... support of their pedophile gurus buried in samadhis?
ReplyDeleteYou mean to say ... we need more support for the worship of Bhakti Vikas pedophile guru bogus samadhis? You mean after almost all the society kids are molested ... we need to worship the SAME Bhakti Vikas swami people who made that system? Their system killed off the desire to worship Krishna for almost cent percent of our kids ... and we need more of same. Why?
The people who originally concocted their pedophile gurus need to come here to save the West ... namely Bhakti Vikas swami. Why did he leave the West in the first place? Because in India he could make a beachhead stronghold for his pedophile gurus ... and even bury his pedophile acharyas in samadhi ... then he could re-supply us with his pedophile worship system ... after he got it going nicely in India. And then they could say their pedophile gurus are part of the "cultural childhood training" of India.
You mean ... the same Indians who support burying pedophiles in their own holy land samadhis ... need to save us? Ouch! Mlecchas would never bury a pedophile in our own holy place ... or even in the town trash dump ... we would want that pedo-body burned and tossed into the toilet ... not placed in samadhi.
The Indians go to worship a dead pedo-person in samadhi ... which we would want burnt and placed in our toilet, and we need them to teach us ... what? Why do we need to be trained to worship pedophiles in samadhi? Their Kirtanananda samadhi jerk was having oral sex with boys in his cottage ... and we mlecchas are bogus ... because we don't want to see him in a samadhi?
Only the most advanced brahmana India people worship oral sex with boys in samadhi? Really, they don't know this is all bogus? OR? They all know it is a crock of dog crap. They just support it to make money.
They don't worship Krishna ... they worship whoever gets them the sacred dollar donations. They are supporting worship of a dog if it makes them a dollar. Or? So either they are very foolish ... or very corrupt ... or just pedophile worship lovers. I cannot decide which?
At least mlecchas know ... worship of pedophiles will take us to the lowest planets of pedophile's worshipers in our future lives. We are a million miles ahead of these "India ICC brahmanas."
[PADA: Sulochana said that worship of a bucket of dog stools is more advanced than worship of pedophiles. Because a bucket of dog stools will not molest your kids. They are not advanced enough to worship a bucket of dog stools ...]
LW: Regular everyday people ask me that too ... isn't it every homosexual pedophile's dream ... to have other homosexual pedophiles worshiped as saints, saviors and God's guru representatives? Is that what this is all about afterall? Isn't worship of sex with bottoms -- the bottom of the religion barrel? No joke intended!
ReplyDeleteWe will get people to worship Satanic behavior. That is the goal of the asuras for millions of years.
I agree with commenters that said ... this is like a horror movie. And Bhakti Vikas swami seems to be one of the big stars and directors.
Dr. Chaturvedi does not seem to grasp the problem. At all.
It is not that the USA needs more pedophile guru's program lover people like Bhakti Vikas swami or his "India born" pedophile loving acharya's program people. We need to save the USA ... not sink it. Worshiping pedophiles is taking the USA people down. They already worship Jesus. Better they continue to worship Jesus ... than worship a pedophile lover's guru program.
We need to elevate people higher than they are at present. They are worshiping Jesus now ... and he really is a pure devotee. Let us keep them on that platform ... and not degrade them. What is the benefit of stopping people from worship of a pure devotee ... to take them to hell by having them worship their pedophile guru lover's program?
And these ISKCON India people -- so-called scholars -- don't see the problem? This is the eternal parampara ... which contains pedophiles? No ... that makes it the eternal infernal parampara. Hell fire and damnation.
Lokanath is a child genital grabber. He is not God's representative ... and neither are his supporters like GBC, Bhakti Vikas swami, Basu Ghosh, ICC, or any of them. They want to make child genital grabbers into saints and even Krishna's successors ... to take the USA down and stop them from worship of a bona fide saint like Jesus.
They are envious that people worship Jesus in the West ... so they call them mlecchas ... but the GBC types are thousands of times more degraded than these mlecchas. The media people asked you about Lokanath ... that means? Everyone else knows they are pedophile worshipers. That is not going to save ISKCON.
JJ: This makes no sense at all. We need to bring over people from India, those who follow Bhakti Vikas swami, to preach ... that we need to worship his illicit sex bogus guru friends in order to attain Krishna.
ReplyDeleteI thought Srila Prabhupada says, maybe ten thousand times, false gurus, and the people who worship false gurus, are all ALL going to hell. And that explains why ISKCON has gone to hell better than anything else.
Can anyone show us where Srila Prabhupada told us to worship the Bhakti Vikas swami society of illicit sex gurus? There is no such instruction. If the Bhakti Vikas swami people from India do not know that God or Krishna is pure, and that means, His guru successors must also be pure, then they have not yet passed basic Sunday school level from the West.
Even the USA Sunday school teaches ... God is great, God is pure, God is never contaminated, and so -- neither are His guru representatives. The guru is the representative of God.
The Bhakti Vikas swami gurus ... who cannot even follow basic sadhana ... cannot be made the guru representative of ISKCON. Or else ISKCON will get a bad name. And that is what Srila Prabhupada says ... if we misrepresent Krishna with bogus gurus ... we will give his mission a bad name. Why does Bhakti Vikas swami never explain ... where we are told to worship his illicit sex guru friends?
I thought we were told ... by worshiping false gurus ... we ruin ISKCON, ruin the poor innocent people who get cheated, and ruin ourselves, because we ourself have to go to hell if we preach these apa-siddhanta and offensive ideas.
These people are avoiding the main point ... no one is allowed to promote false gurus. Krishna does not approve ... and unless Krishna approves ... nothing will have any good result. It will always be trouble, suffering ... endless problems ... because Krishna will personally make sure bogus guru programs fail ... either now or later.
Now they are bringing in car pooja, nose touching yoga, women in yoga pants, smoking zones, homosexual weddings, women gurus, Hindu weddings, but the path to bring in all these problems was made right at the start ... when Bhakti Vikas swami said ... bogus people are going to be the gurus. He made the path for all this to enter. He opened the Pandora's box ... he is responsible. Why do we need more of his tricks now?
D Dasi: Our temples are now full of Hindus who already worship Radhanath swami, Satsvarupa das Goswami, Jayapataka swami, Gopal Krishna swami and their other bogus guru mates like Bhakti Vikas swami ... who is voted in as one of their parampara mates.
ReplyDeleteBringing over more people from India ... who will expand worship these conditioned souls ... will help ... what? Increase the illusion that these people are acharyas. Western people are ALREADY mostly never going to accept these deluded people as acharya.
Anyone who is guru in their "eternal parampara" is not going to be recognized as authorized. It is just not going to catch on. It is dead in the water.
Dr. Chaturvedi wants us to bring over more deluded Hindus who are already delusional supporters of their whole bogus gurus system of ISKCON. How is that going to help? He should be sending us people who know ... there is a difference between worship of pure devotees and people who worship cheaters and bluffers. They don't seem to have any discrimination.
Western devotees ... as the mainstream Western news has reported for decades ... have rejected their whole guru system. It is never going to revive here ... even if they send 10,000 delusional Hindus here to try to prop it up. Worship of deluded and even lusty people is not going to be accepted in the West ... because in the West ... people are already worshiping Jesus.
They are not going to allow themselves to worship some group of lusty and delusional people ... and their supporters ... to replace worship of Jesus? This is just more delusion on top of their already existing delusion. Their temples are empty for a reason. You cannot change that without addressing the reason.