[PADA: OK so Sivarama swami is voted in as guru by -- the other GBC's "gurus." These are his co-gurus, and gurus who are the sum total of the demigods and God's spokesmen on earth. Yet he complains his co-gurus are making bogus statements and written resolutions. They are not consulting the shastra, nor consulting proper sadhus for reference.
And this proves what?
Hee hee, what we said all along, they are not gurus. Sivarama swami actually raises the right question, how can people who make bogus statements, and make bogus written resolution -- be gurus -- at all? And he says he has been arguing with the other GBC (gurus) for ten years now.
So the gurus are residents of Krishna loka. Thus they are arguing with their other co-gurus, to prove that each other are -- bogus? This is really showing how badly they have misunderstood the post of guru. Guru is one, they have the same siddhanta. They are not fighting like cats and dogs among themselves.
Sivarama even quotes the May 28th tape, where Srila Prabhupada says they will act as ritvik acharyas after he departs. And the tape says when they deviate they will have to be replaced, therefore they are not diksha gurus. Moreover, Srila Prabhupada says they will be guru "when I order" -- which is not an order.
Then Sivarama says 11 men were appointed as diksha gurus. Nope, he did not appoint anyone as guru. Anyway, it looks like their process is melting down more and more. Sivaram says he tries to follow the GBC, ummm, so when GBC members say that gurus engage in illicit sex with men, women and children, we have to accept that? He is not clear?
Guru cat fights. Really? ys pd]
M Dasi: The people who voted me a guru are idiots! They have no idea about shastra! They make bogus resolutions! I am arguing with these gurus for ten years ... because they have no brains!
ReplyDeleteThis is silly. This man is a guru ... because he is voted as guru by his fellow guru ... idiots. As he himself explains here. How are the other GBC also gurus ... because they are not following shastra? This is what Bhakti Vikas swami really says. The GBC are gurus ... but they are idiots ... who have not read the shastra.
If these GBC gurus are making bogus statements ... they cannot also be ... gurus. That means Sivarama is not reading ... the shastra. He does not even know ... gurus are not idiots ... who do not follow shastra.
Now they are attacking ... the entire Krishna guru parampara. The guru parampara is full of ... idiots. This is the "new idea" to fix their previous bad idea? Krishna and His Gurus are idiots ... this is what the demons have said ... since time began.
*** PADA: Yes, Krishna is a deviant because His successors are deviants. It is horrible to think of the future destination of people trying to paint God as a predator deviant, because His pure devotee successors are predator deviants. ys pd
GK: RE ISKCON Guru Sivarama Swami -- Attacks ISKCON Gurus. Dear PADA,
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, the GBC doesn't say anymore that the legendary eleven were appointed as diksa gurus because this makes Prabhupada look like a fool. Also, TKG and Hansadutta testified that Prabhupada did not appoint them as gurus. That's why Sivarama is in a clinch with the GBC. Sivarama quotes from 1969 what Prabhupada said there to Hansadutta although in 1977 Prabhupada overrode that and stopped sannyasa initiations and even wanted to downgrade his whole movement to varnasrama. Sivarama Swami is a real zonal "acarya" who wears custom-made coats and vests so it is all about taking ownership, he behaves like a landowner. He feels that female gurus could take away his properties. And this is actually present ISKCON rule for gurus that when another guru has disciples in a temple then the ownership of that temple is divided among the gurus. So gurus are trying to have temples under complete control with their own disciples. Disciples of other gurus are sent to temples where the other guru is predominant.
[PADA: Yes, it makes no sense that Srila Prabhupada would have appointed 11 conditioned souls as "Krishna's pure devotee successors." This is an attack on Srila Prabhupada and on the integrity of the parampara. There are no conditioned souls in the parampara.
Another person noted that Sivaram looks tired, worn out and fried in this video. No luster, no life, no happiness. It is a sign he is fighting with the other GBC gurus and he is very disturbed and frustrated with that process.
Of course he has no clue that gurus are not fighting like cats and dogs in the first place. So the fact he has to try to correct the other "sum total of the demigods acharyas" is all foolishness and there is no nectar in it at all. Sivarama was also a huge Tamal groupie -- and we all know how Tamal's program had to be sued for mass child abuse. Sivarama is on that Tamal train ride to nowhere. ys pd