Tuesday, June 6, 2023

Puskar Alachua? / Victim Writes / Prabhupada Please / Snana Yatra ETC. 06 06




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Puskara Alachua

PADA: Thanks for your question about Puskar, of Alachua. 

(Q) Is Puskar a spy for the GBC gurus?

(A) Embarrassing really. So many times we get the same question, "which of your God brothers support you, and which of them supports the pedophile guru program"? OK -- if you have to ask "is devotee X with me, or with them," it generally means that person has not made their position clear. And if they spend a lot of time with the pedo-messiah's groupies, it does not look so good. 

I think he could be with the GBC. I understand he hangs around a lot with the temple leaders there in Alachua, who are all basically upper elite members of the pedophile messiah's club. As soon as the pedo-messiah's folks find out someone does not believe Andy Warhol's disciples, Jimmy Savile's disciples, assorted pedophiles, deviants, drunks, porno swamis etc. are, were or could have been God's successors and messiahs, they are generally not happy. 

And same with other folks like Adikarta / Rucira types. Even the TV media people asked me "what is a pedophile in samadhi"? In any case -- when the media asked me -- who else is writing protest papers, we don't see hardly any of these types of people writing protest papers, and the media folks thus assume -- they must be compromised or else they would protest. If anyone could say for sure what Puskar's position is, let us know so we can answer this question accurately. So far a person has reported he is one of the compromisers and lets hope not.

ys pd angel108b@yaboo.com

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A VICTIM WRITES

Hare Krishna.

As a member of ISKCON from birth, I have a few things i would like to say.
Firstly, thank you to those that have and are bringing awareness to the fact that the "Vaikuntha children" have been neglected and abused on many different levels. 

Child abuse is not something that happens only in ISKCON. It's an issue that happens everywhere; in all schools, all societies, lots of families, and more often than we even imagine. We need to accept that demons have systematically infiltrated our ISKCON society, what more proof do we need?


"Let them be hanged!" - Srila Prabhupada

To this day, not one single "senior" has been prosecuted by the law for abuse. WHY NOT? Why does it need to be dealt with in-house? I believe that's partly the main problem. Why are we not reporting to the police? With all respect to the cpt / CPO members, what can you even do? Give a recommendation to the GBC as to what they should do. And what are they going to do?

They are not a legal entity, and their job to date is NOT to bring awareness but rather concealing. What happens when a crime is committed? Why is the law not involved? 
Why so much tolerance towards these rapist and abusers? It does look like "a lot of people are in on it." Maybe most people. The parents also failed to report to the authorities.

But watch out! Who does get punished badly? When a Vaikuntha child (children born to devotee parents) breaks one of the four regulative principles they get crucified for life. But when someone, especially "seniors", rapes, abuses, steals and cheats -- it gets smothered and covered up by some "tolerance and forgiveness" mantra and sprinkled with "don't make offence Prabhu"

Dear "seniors".

(I hope lots of Gbc and leaders, and also senior ghigastras get to read this)

You have failed Srila Prabhupada.
You are thiefs and liars.
You have enabled the first and next generation of abusers and rapists.
You have all seen the letters that have been circulating since the 90s, we can all read the names to whom they were sent. We know who you are. You know who you are.
And most importantly Krsna knows who you are. When you take birth in your next life, what do you think you deserve for looking the other way?
What excuses do you even tell yourself to sleep at night?
Do we think silence is going to protect Srila Prabhupada's movement? How? How small minded are we? Zoom out and try to understand what Krsna Conciousness is.

Zero tolerance needs to start now. Dont be silent anymore. Parents, go to the police, if someone tells your otherwise it's only because of some self interest.
Friends, we are sorry if you happen to have a friend that is an abuser, it's still not ok to keep silent. If you truly love them, save them from themselves.

Leaders, do your job! and protect those under your care and not only your bank accounts. We have this inherent love for God and Srila Prabhupada and we are doing pretty good considering the cards we were dealt with. Please empower the next generation to continue growing and spreading Krsna Consciousness; and maybe you will have a chance to be born in a healthy family in your next lives.
All Glories to our dear Grandfather Srila Prabhupada.

All respects to those that are trying to make changes. We pray for your protection.

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FOCUS ON PRABHUPADA PLEASE

From JP:

To BM:

My father belonged to Ramanandi Sampradaya (Started from Machandarnatha incarnation of Vishnu) as such we practiced the vaisnava traditions (parampara) and he used to recite from many books perhaps not in print nowadays ... some copies were burnt and destroyed by Britishers.. some were hidden and kept safe.. many many religious texts books were destroyed many times by invaders of India ... whatever was there was there ... of which eventually aged and deteriorated to uselessness.

However my father had many books which he recited and sadly a great flood took the books all away when I was about 8. But still whatever father read was practiced. If you ever meet a significantly spiritually advanced Indian person .. maybe he doesn’t know slokas or even is not literate, don’t underestimate him.. he maybe a living part of some significant part of a lost scripture ... his actions and and life is some part of a scripture due to spiritual association with saintly persons and the habit and etiquette has been passed down .. it is commonly said in our Indian culture, if you can’t read write remember, just follow with surrender and all heart how a saint behaves eats sleeps does ….

I hope you understand.. in those days recitations of scriptures was restricted to Brahmins and upper class of people therefore there were not much books in circulation.. we heard and adapted. And one thing I am honestly sure is what I learned—

After the Pranaprathista of the Deity.. elders taught during discourses and there were quotes.. that the Deity of the temple is like the Supersoul of the body .. and the Spiritual personality of the Deity is residing inside the Deity.. it will only go away when the temple is destroyed otherwise it will stay in the Deity forever.

However I will try to locate which books as I have a very little of what’s left.. most begged borrowed never returned stolen torn lost. You can try the logic— you can not have another throne for another king in the same palace. Srila Prabhupada is the king and there should not be other's thrones. 

Srila Prabhupada is already on the Vyasa asana of his temples ... indicating he is the spiritual master (the one who is giving knowledge) for anyone NEW coming to the temple… and that will be as long as ISKCON exists ... unless another class of demons enters ISKCON after 2-3-4-5000 years later and decide one of them should be there on the Vyasa asana. The demons will try to usurp the Vyasa seat as a matter of course. We should all worship Srila Prabhupada and not worship others, that is not helping ISKCON.

I did not cram quotes until I came to Iskcon in 1992 and I learnt from Srila Prabhupada how important is to learn quotes. Before I just read. And after coming to Srila Prabhupada I have refused to read anything but Prabhupada.

But the guru allows at a point in life to senior disciples to read other books of different authors but only to know how to preach to the followers of that discipline our own gurus philosophies to maintain the superiority of his ashrama. We are not supposed to adopt other's ideas.

There are many things that Srila Prabhupada knew and did not explain because he did not want disciples cultivating unnecessary knowledge.. the very necessary things he explained and the rest he expected disciples to just follow as instructed… whatever guru says recommends writes instructs is called scriptures and the rest of the scriptures Vedic knowledge is just there for inquisitive disciples and is very dangerous — the Guru and Krishna give the same instruction—
18:66

sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah

- both advise exclusive surrender exclusive following in order to be liberated.

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SUMMARY OF KRISHNA PHILOSOPHY (by GD)

The Supreme Person who is completely independent and free to act according to His desire is Sri Krishna. He exists as the Supreme Truth, one without a second; but is inconceivably always in the company of His differentiated eternal energies, both internal and external. These energies are never independent of Krishna; rather they are intimately related to Him. This is stated in the Vedic mantras.

Krishna is the independent principal conscious entity, and the energies are His manifested attributes. They can never be independent. Krishna may be called vibhu, the omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent master, and the manifestations from His energies — all other existing phenomena—may be called vaibhava, the opulent expressions of His factual existence. Yet, even amid unlimited, countless energies scattered throughout endless time and space, Krishna remains separate and independent in His original form or vigraha. It is through these energies, these vaibhava of the vibhu, that the Lord’s presence can be perceived.

The manifestations from Krishna’s energies are of three types: cid-vaibhava, or spiritual manifestations coming from Krishna’s spiritual potency; acid-vaibhava, or the dull, unconscious material world; and jiva, or countless souls, small particles of spirit. This is the statement of scripture.

CID-VAIBHAVA: SPIRITUAL MANIFESTATION

The cid-vaibhava consists of Krishna’s abodes, such as the unlimited number of Vaikuntha planets; Krishna’s unlimited names, such as Govinda, Hare, etc.; Krishna’s unlimited forms, such as the two-handed form holding the flute; Krishna’s extraordinary qualities, such as affectionately giving bliss to His devotees; Krishna’s pastimes, such as the rasa-lila of Vraja and the sankirtana activities of Navadvipa. Even though these spiritual manifestations may descend into the material world and be visible or perceivable by the living entities, they remain spiritually untouched by material influence. All these elements intimately related to Vishnu or Krishna are called Vishnu's expansions throughout the Vedas. This denotes that the cid-vaibhava are inseparable from the Lord Himself. The spiritual phenomena are inseparable from the prime spiritual entity.

Therefore, in the spiritual realm of Vishnu, the changes which occur due to the influences of the material energy are not present. That realm is transcendental to material change, and like Lord Vishnu Himself, is in pure transcendence and goodness, unmixed with passion or ignorance in the least, unlike the condition of the material world. Krishna and the plenary Vishnu expansions are all of the pure goodness. Thus, whether in Goloka, Vaikuntha, the Causal Ocean, or the material world, these personalities remain unaffected, as the Lord of all the demigods and the Lord of maya. Vishnu forms are the Lords of maya and are in pure goodness, whereas Durga, Brahma, Siva, etc. possess goodness mixed with other modes.

ACID-VAIBHAVA

Across the Viraja River, which is the separating boundary, opposite from the Vishnu forms, spiritual abodes, spiritual pastimes and other spiritual manifestations, lies the nonspiritual realm composed of the universes of fourteen planetary systems. This realm under the control of the Lord’s illusory energy is called Devidhama, the abode of maya. It is composed ofthe five material elements (earth, water, fire, air and ether), plus mind, intelligence and false ego, which form the gross and subtle bodies of the living entities. The seven upper and seven lower planetary systems are all contained within the acid-vaibhava, or nonspiritual manifestation of one of the Lord’s energies.

JAIVA-VAIBHAVA

Whereas the spiritual manifestation (cid-vaibhava) is the full spiritual principle, and the illusory material world (acid-vaibhava) is its shadow, jivas are atomic particles of the spiritual element. Because the jivas are spiritual in character, they also have some degree of independence and have the potentiality of unlimited bliss which is natural to the spiritual realm. Those jivas who resort to Krishna to attain that bliss remains as liberated souls eternally associated with Krishna. But, thinking of his own happiness, if one selfishly desires to enter the neighbouring abode of maya, he turns away from Krishna and takes a material body in the material universe. Having fallen into the revolving wheel of continuous activities, good or bad, with their results, the jiva wanders throughout the universe, sometimes in svarga, sometimes in hell, taking birth with a material body to enjoy life in all the eight million four hundred thousand species of beings.

Therefore a lost jiva must pray -- You are the Lord, the controller of the jivas, and the jivas are Your energies, You are always thinking of their welfare. Whatever happiness a jiva may seek, You kindly bestow it. Therefore one who desires impermanent happiness in the material world achieves it without difficulty by the Lord’s mercy. All the processes to achieve this happiness of sense gratification, such as rules of varna and asrama, yajna, yoga, homa, and vrata, which are pious activities, are simply material without spiritual transcendental nature at all. The results of these practices—elevation to higher planets and sense enjoyment—are material and temporary. Thus, in such activities for satisfying the temporary senses, the soul remains unsatisfied. The attempt to achieve happiness by gaining a temporary situation on a higher planet is a gross error by the soul.

Similarly, by the mercy of devotees, a jnani may perform activities of bhakti. Such jnana mixed with devotional activities is also classified as a secondary path of bhakti. Such a jnani easily arrives at the stage of faith in Krishna, and can quickly proceed in full devotional service, and revive his original position in the spiritual abode or Vaikuntha.

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SNANA YATRA

Today is snana yatra and lord jagannath appearance day.

Snana-yatra occurs on the full moon of the month of Jieshtha. It was on this day according to "Skanda Purane" that Jagannath appeared. At least 200,000 pilgrims assemble in the temple complex on Jyestha Purnima to attend the Deities' ablution ceremony held at Snana Vedi, a special bathing altar. It is believed that receiving the darshan of the Lord Jagannath on the day of Snana-yatra cleanses all sins.

In the solemn ceremony of Jagannathi Deity, Baladeva and Subhadra are taken out of Jagannathi Temple and placed on a special platform. Then, while chanting mantras, the deities are washed with 108 pots of water drawn from a well located in the northern part of the temple known as the golden well.

In the evening, after the ablution ritual, Jagannath and Baladeva are put on elephant masks representing Ganesha. The Deities are then dressed in ivory robes and delivered to the "sick room" where they will stay for 2 weeks. During this period, called anavasara, the Deities suffer from colds and are treated by King Puri's doctor. It is said that with the help of Ayurvedic treatments, the doctor cures the deities.

The deities are also washed off all the coloring and painted again. On the day of the Ratha-yatras of the deities are solemnly taken out of the temple and placed on chariots to be taken to the Gundichi temple accompanied by a crowd of believers.
The temple is located three kilometers from the famous Jagannathi temple and has a special significance in the cult of the deity Jagannathi. The Gundichi temple is empty the whole year except for nine days in the Hindu month of Ashadha, when, during the Ratha-Yatra festival, the temple deities of Jagannathi, Baladeva and Subhadra brought from Jagannathi temple on huge chariots are placed in the procession. 

According to legend, the original temple at this place was built by Gundich - the wife of King Indradumna, who founded the Jagannathi temple. The Skanda Purana says that the first person to conduct the Snana-yatra ceremony was the founder of the Jagannathi temple, King Indradhyumna.

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PURE DEVOTEES NEVER ENTANGLED

A PURE DEVOTEE IS NEVER ENTANGLED IN MATERIAL WORLDLY AFFAIRS EVEN THOUGH HE MAY REMAIN IN THE WORLD LIKE AN ORDINARY MAN.
Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam » Canto 3 » Chapter 9 » Text 6:
(Sage Maitreya to Sri Vidura):
Lord Brahma to the Supreme Personality of Godhead:
तावद्भयं द्रविणदेहसुहृन्निमित्तं
शोकः स्पृहा परिभवो विपुलश्च लोभः ।
तावन्ममेत्यसदवग्रह आर्तिमूलं
यावन्न तेऽङ्घ्रिमभयं प्रवृणीत लोकः ॥६॥
tavad bhayam dravina-deha-suhrn-nimittam
sokah sprha paribhavo vipulas ca lobhah
tavan mamety asad-avagraha arti-mulam
yavan na te 'nghrim abhayam pravrnita lokah
SYNONYMS
tavat--until then; bhayam--fear; dravina--wealth; deha--body; suhrt--relatives; nimittam--for the matter of; sokah--lamentation; sprha--desire; paribhavah--paraphernalia; vipulah--very great; ca--also; lobhah--avarice; tavat--up to that time; mama--mine; iti--thus; asat--perishable; avagrahah--undertaking; arti-mulam--full of anxieties; yavat--as long as; na--do not; te--Your; anghrim abhayam--safe lotus feet; pravrnita--take shelter; lokah--the people of the world.
TRANSLATION
O my Lord, the people of the world are embarrassed by all material anxieties--they are always afraid. They always try to protect wealth, body and friends, they are filled with lamentation and unlawful desires and paraphernalia, and they avariciously base their undertakings on the perishable conceptions of "my" and "mine." As long as they do not take shelter of Your safe lotus feet, they are full of such anxieties.
PURPORT
One may question how one can always think of the Lord in regard to His name, fame, quality, etc., if one is embarrassed by thoughts of family affairs. Everyone in the material world is full of thoughts about how to maintain his family, how to protect his wealth, how to keep pace with friends and relatives, etc. Thus he is always in fear and lamentation, trying to keep up with the status quo. In answer to this question, this verse spoken by Brahma is very appropriate.
A pure devotee of the Lord never thinks of himself as the proprietor of his home. He surrenders everything unto the supreme control of the Lord, and thus he has no fear for maintaining his family or protecting the interests of his family. Because of this surrender, he no longer has any attraction for wealth. Even if there is attraction for wealth, it is not for sense enjoyment, but for the service of the Lord. A pure devotee may be attracted to accumulating wealth just like an ordinary man, but the difference is that a devotee acquires money for the service of the Lord, whereas the ordinary man acquires money for his sense enjoyment.
Thus the acquisition of wealth by a devotee is not a source of anxieties, as is the case for a worldly man. And because a pure devotee accepts everything in the sense of serving the Lord, the poisonous teeth of accumulation of wealth are extracted. If a snake has its poison removed and bites a man, there is no fatal effect.
Similarly, wealth accumulated in the cause of the Lord has no poisonous teeth, and the effect is not fatal. A pure devotee is never entangled in material worldly affairs even though he may remain in the world like an ordinary man.
(Synonyms, Translation and Purport by His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedantaswami Prabhupada reproduced herein by this
menial servant.)
All glories to the lotus feet of Acarya Srila Prabhupada!
Jaya Sri Krsna-caitanya Prabhu Nityananda Sri Advaita Gadadhara
Srivasa adi Gaura bhakta vrnda!
Hare Krsna Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna Hare Hare,
Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare!


Mahatma's $100,000,000 Legal Defense Wall (ISKCON Alachua Etc.)



PADA: Right LW. Mahatma's people kicked me out when I was whistle blowing on the child abuse and other issues, and so we had to have them sued for $3,000,000 in 1986, sued again for $400,000,000 in 1997, then we helped the Karnataka case -- which cost Mahatma's program another maybe $20,000,000, and we helped the BBTI case -- which they lost another maybe $3,000,000. 

OK Mahatma does not want us to criticize, while his program hides behind a giant wall of top-notch expensive San Fernando lawyers, actually the most expensive legal team in the country -- according to one source. And then the Jayapataka people complained that I cost the regime altogether to lose $100,000,000. 

Yeah, but what is a mere $100,000,000? It is chicken change for these folks, because Mahatama's program would rather spend millions than to listen to us criticizing folks. Yes, again that is a fact: Mahatma's program would rather spend $100,000,000 than listen to us. 

Meanwhile, all sorts of rank and file devotees were banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed. And losing probably tens of thousands of people also costs ISKCON millions. In fact a friend and accountant of mine said it has actually probably cost ISKCON around $3 billion over the past 45 years by draining all this money and an army of free volunteer service people from the society. Now they have to pay more and more for everything, such as salaries. But hey, they are rich, what is the problem?  

Why are the Jayapataka people blaming me for their $100,000,000 expenses, when they are the people who blocked our complaints about the molesting and so many other issues? And yeah, that begs the question, who paid the $100,000,000, was it Mahatma, or does he drain out ISKCON to pay for all this? 

But at the same time, we have to give the Mahatma program das a lot of credit. His program wanted to establish the worship of their illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs project, and have children worship their homosexuals / pedophiles / pervs / drunks / porno swamis / messiahs as God's successors, and even have their pedophile messiahs club leaders placed in samadhis -- so that little Vaishnava children can go to the dham and meditate on their pedophiles in samadhi process, and his program has accomplished that. Now they can all meet together and high five each other -- "we made a pedophile samadhi program, and we never thought we could do it! Job well done guys"! 

First of all, the Mahatma program wanted us to have our children worship "the living pedophiles" and they have recently updated that process to having our children worship "the dead pedophiles and /or their enablers / in samadhi." A TV news crew was asking me about this situation, "what is pedophile samadhi"? 

So even the ordinary man understands, this is all concoction by these homosexual and pedophile messiah's lover club folks, there is no such thing as "pedophiles in samadhi" in the Vedas, it is all made to create a horrible deviation so they can pollute the children of the world by having them worship their pedophile messiahs, living or dead. 

A bona fide guru is "in samadhi" by thinking of Radha and Krishna, whereas the Mahatma program wants to transform that pure meditation to worshiping illicit sex with men, women and children as "samadhi." Or as one person told me recently "the GBC program smells like worship of rancid a**."   

Not many people would dream of doing this, because it goes against all moral and religious principles, but his program was able to get their job done. Most people actually fear the wrath of God and so they would never make illicit sex with men, women and children as the successors to God, but as Srila Prabhupada explains, the demoniac have no regards for the teachings of God, and they will do demoniac things to destroy human society -- and destroy ISKCON and the children of ISKCON, as they have done. But we should not criticize, as they burn down the house.   

ys pd



PADA: Well yes, first of all we have to love Mahatma's promoters of the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs, who create "industrial level child abuse" and / or anal reconstructive surgery epidemics and or / child beating and / or child raping. And they ban, beat, sue and kill anyone who does not want to promote their bogus messiahs project. And we love that process and its founder fathers! 

But there is good news! Many former victims of Mahatma's pedophile messiahs project are coming forward now to testify to the atrocities against chidren and Vaishnavas his program has been producing. In fact, you could say -- it is a tidal wave of complainants coming forward presently. So we need to expose them, and we are, and we are getting thousands of helpers these days.

ys pd

angel108b@yahoo.com

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Prabhupada: "Be very careful. You are dealing with Krishna."

From John Hubner's Monkey on a Stick, pg 135-36....

"Prabhupada appointed us rtviks, not acharyas!" Ramesvara, the Los Angeles guru, screamed.

"There's no difference!" Hansadutta screamed back.

"There is so! There is, so!" Ramesvara said petulantly. "There's a huge difference. When he named us rtviks, Prabhupada made us generals. You guys want to be emperors."

"Call me a Napoleon if you want, as long as I get Australia," put in Bhavananda, Charles Backus, the GBC member in charge of building the Mayapur temple. "I pioneered Australia. It's mine."

"I did the same in South Africa. I'm claiming South Africa with Europe," said Bhagavan.

"How are you going to handle Europe and South Africa?" Ramesvara asked. "In case you haven't looked at a globe lately, they're rather far apart."

"I have devotees in both continents," Bhagavan said superciliously. "Geography is no barrier to love."

Prabhupada's eleven successors were seated on pillows, facing each other across a long, narrow table in the half-finished GBC room in the Mayapur temple. They had been meeting in the same room every day throughout February and March of 1978. They were trying, unsuccessfully so far, to determine the movement's future. Like Mafia dons carving out exclusive territories, they were dividing the world into fiefdoms.

Bhagavan slowly got to his feet and waited until all eyes were fixed on him. A tall, strikingly handsome former medical student from the University of Buffalo, Bhagavan was already infamous as the Krishna "Sun King." The faucets in his private bathroom were gold plated. He would eat only from gold plates and drink from gold goblets. He was chauffeured around Europe in a Mercedes 500.

When the silence was complete, Bhagavan pointed his finger at Tamal Krishna, whose cross-country campus crusade had irritated many temple presidents.

"I charge that man with lying and trying to steal my devotees," Bhagavan said. "My devotees love me and regard me as Prabhupada's legitimate successor. And now I learn that Tamal has sent letters to certain devotees claiming that he and he alone is Prabhupada's successor, and that devotees must surrender to him."

"I am the only one really qualified to lead the movement," said
Tamal, who claimed the American Southwest and the island of Fiji, as well as several other Pacific islands.

Kirtanananda shook his head. When this is over, he told himself, they'll see that there is only one true succcessor swami fit to lead ISKCON: Kirtanananda Swami Bhaktipada.

"Let's go back to the subject of Vyasasanas," Ramesvara said. "Let's start by trying to settle this chair thing."

"Each guru must have his own vyasasana," Bhagavan said.

"Absolutely right," Hansadutta said.

"What about when another guru visits? Where will he sit?" Ramesvara asked.

"Good point," Bhagavan said. "Symbols are very important, and what talks louder than furniture? I propose that each temple have three vyasasanas right next to each other. One will be Prabhupada's forever. We'll rope it off and put his picture on it so that no one will even think of sitting there. A second will be for the local guru, and the third will be reserved for visiting gurus. That way, every devotee will instantly know that we are now equal to Prabhupada."

"If we're equal, I suppose we're supposed to get puja, too?" Ramesvara asked, referring to the ceremony in which devotees worship their spiritual masters.

"But of course," Kirtanananda said.

"Absolutely correct," Hansadutta added. He closed his eyes and imagined the ritual. It pleased him to think about how he would at last receive the obeisances he so richly deserved. Finally, he would be worshiped as he should be—as a "pure devotee," a link between God and man. 

He saw himself seated on his vyasasana. In his mind, Hansadutta watched a devotee blow a conch shell three times and ring a small bell. Then another devotee approached and offered a stick of incense.

The devotee circled Hansadutta's feet with the smoldering stick three times, then circled his chest twice and his entire body seven times. The devotee then did the same with a camphor wick, a ghee lamp, water, a handkerchief, and a flower. Hansadutta smiled. He could practically feel the devotee fanning him with a yak's-tail whisk and peacock feathers.

"Our godbrothers will never go for it," Ramesvara said, interrupting Hansadutta's daydream. "For years, we've all been more or less equal. Then Prabhupada dies, and all of a sudden we're baby Prabhupadas."

"That's your mistake." Bhagavan said, leaping to his feet. Once again, he waited for silence. "We're not demanding to be worshiped just because we want to raise ourselves above our godbrothers. We're only doing it because we love them. Worshiping a spiritual master is a vital part of every devotee's faith. We have to appear absolute, or their faith will be shaken. We have to be worshiped just like Prabhupada, or our disciples won't think we're his equal."

"Devotees will offer puja willingly because they love us," Kirtanananda interrupted. "You cannot check their love."

"That's right," Hansadutta added. "This movement has always been about love."

The room was silent for a moment. Ramesvara looked troubled.

Bhagavan walked over to him and put his hand on his shoulder. "Don't you see? You've got no choice," Bhagavan said. "You've got to accept puja. We all do. We've got to be absolutely consistent. If even one of us does not go along with the program, we'll all look fallible. Come on, Ramesvara, for the good of the whole movement. So, what do you say?"

Ten pairs of eyes bored into Ramesvara. "Maybe you're right," he sighed. 

"Prabhupada always said we're an autocratic movement. The authority of the spiritual master has to be absolute. If you doubt him, you doubt the link to Krishna and everything falls apart."

"Absolutely right," Bhagavan said.

"I'll go along with it," Ramesvara conceded. "But I want you to know I'm not going to be comfortable, sitting up there on the Vyasasana receiving puja from some devotee who knew me when I was Bobby Grant. It just doesn't feel right. I don't know, but maybe I'll get used to it."

"Of course, you will!" Bhagavan cried enthusiastically. "It's new for all of us. But we'll get used to it."

"Let's finish working out who gets what," said Hansadutta, who had staked his claim to Berkeley, the Philippines, Sri Lanka, and several temples in India. "My devotees need me."

"As mine need me," echoed Tamal.

"And mine, me," added Bhagavan.

It took another week to finish carving up the world. As soon as the meeting concluded, the newly minted gurus hastened to return to their temples. Comfortably settled in first-class seats, they congratulated themselves on the agreement.

But only a few were satisfied. The rest were scheming to seize control. When the Palace of Gold is finished, devotees everywhere will visit New Vrindaban and see that only the true acharya could build such a splendid temple, Kirtanananda told himself as he winged his way back to the States. I don't have to take over the movement; the movement will come to me.

I'll send sankirtan parties all over Europe, Bhagavan planned. I'll buy palaces and convert them into temples and recruit the wealthiest people in every country. I'll turn ISKCON into the modem equivalent of the Holy Roman Empire.

I'm going to build a magnificent temple in Fiji, Tamal promised himself. The population is already half Hindu and growing. I'll convert them all and turn Fiji into the first Krishna Consciousness nation on earth. When that happens, no one will be able to deny that I am the next acharya.

Hansadutta's plans were simpler. His whole life, he had been controlled by authority figures. First, his father, then his commanders in the Navy, and finally Prabhupada. Even Himavati, his ex-wife (they separated because Hansadutta insisted on taking a vow of sannyas) had tried to control him in her own gentle way. But now, for the first time, he was free, free of all control. He was a guru. He could do whatever he wanted; he could tell people to do things and they would do them.

He strapped on his seatbelt and grinned. He could hardly wait to get back to Berkeley and find out what real freedom was all about.

IMAGES: (top L) Hansaadutta's mug shot after the zonal acharya was arrested for shooting up a Cadillac dealership and liquor store in Berkeley as an "act of renunciation."

(top R) Kirtanananda Swami on his way to court. He ordered the murder of Sulochan and paid the hitman, though only a fraction of what he promised him.
(Bottom) Zonal acharya Jayatirtha created a LSD cult and reportedly also ordered the "disappearance" of at least one dissenter who was found drowned in Nepal. He got his when an ex-follower beheaded him with a knife.

Sunday, June 4, 2023

John Joeseph / Women Gurus / Lucknow Mess / ISKCON 06 04 23

PADA: Trigger warning! Lots of colorful language here and discussion of the molesting issue. ys pd


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WOMEN GURUS:

PADA : The women are asking a good question, a woman here says she would have had the molesters in Mayapur arrested, why shouldn't she be the in charge? In other words, whoever is able to manage molesting better should be the in charge. I think that makes sense to most people. The abusers were empowered and enabled by the men in charge there, and for 40 years or more. They failed, or worse than that, they enabled criminal child abuse. 

The men who abused "are like broken plates," ok fine, but the victims are infuriated that the people who orchestrated the regime and defended the abusers are still the men in charge. Shouldn't we be fixing that problem first? Some of the victims here are saying all this discussion of women gurus is a smokescreen to avoid taking out the men who made the molesting regime. ys pd

angel108b@yahoo.com

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I for one don’t agree with any of your proposal. Now upto you all to decide
what you want to do.

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 6:17 PM AdityaNarayana Das <
adityanarayanadas.gkg@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hare Krishna Maharaj jis, Prabhujis, and Matajis
>
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> All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
>
>
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> Please accept my humble obeisances
>
>
> As the Co-president of ISKCON Lucknow, Aditya Narayana Das, and other TMC
> members, we would like to draw your attention to the current situation
> taking place in our temple which is concerning the devotees here. Please
> find the details below:
>
>
>
> 1. In 2018, we were invited from ISKCON Delhi to ISKCON Lucknow for
> starting and establishing youth preaching. Despite numerous challenges and
> limited resources, through the mercy of our Guru and Krsna, we have managed
> to *presently create and have around 20 brahmacharis and many youths.*
>
>
>
> 2. However, we discovered that ISKCON Kanpur was also conducting
> preaching activities in Lucknow without seeking permission or informing the
> Lucknow Council. Once we became aware of this, we approached ISKCON Kanpur,
> who assured us that they would cease their preaching efforts and hand over
> the responsibilities to devotees in Lucknow.
>
>
>
> 3. Despite repeated requests from the Lucknow Temple, Prem Harinam
> Prabhu, the president of ISKCON Kanpur, has persistently neglected to
> refrain from interfering in our area for the past five years. Moreover,
> they have gradually expanded their preaching activities, disregarding our
> concerns.
>
>
>
> 4. A final call was made by Lucknow to stop Kanpur preaching in their
> area and communicated to Prem Harinaam Prabhu who is Kanpur temple
> President as well as Zonal supervisor for Lucknow.
>
>
>
>
>
> 5. Regrettably, despite our request, Prem Harinaam Prabhu has remained
> resolute in continuing the preaching activities of Kanpur in Lucknow
> without addressing our concerns.
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>
>
> 6. *In his capacity as the Zonal Supervisor, Prem Harinaam Prabhu,
> along with the Zonal team, has taken the decision to alter the management
> council of the Lucknow Temple without consulting the existing Lucknow
> Temple Management Council. This decision has involved forcefully
> incorporating Kanpur devotees into the Lucknow TMC in an attempt to
> legitimize the Kanpur preaching in Lucknow under the name of Lucknow
> preaching.* *This action is seen as the initial step by ISKCON Kanpur
> devotees towards a complete takeover of the entire Lucknow temple.*
>
>
>
> 7. *The current Lucknow Temple Management Council has strongly opposed
> the entry of Kanpur devotees into Lucknow, but the Zonal team is exerting
> pressure to enforce their inclusion*.
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>
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> *8. *Over the past several years, ISKCON Lucknow has steadily expanded
> its preaching efforts, fundraising initiatives, and festivals. We are
> confident in our ability to continue this progress in the future without
> the need for any forced intervention from Kanpur in the Lucknow temple. *If
> Kanpur possesses capable leaders, it would be more appropriate for them to
> be assigned to a new area rather than intervening and attempting to take
> over an already well-established system.*
>
>
>
> 9. The actions of ISKCON Kanpur have deeply disturbed the entire
> devotee community of ISKCON Lucknow and have caused discouragement among
> the dedicated and full-time devotees serving in the Lucknow temple.
>
>
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> Therefore, we respectfully request the following three actions:
>
>
>
> *i) Immediate stopping of ISKCON Kanpur's preaching activities in Lucknow.*
>
> *ii) The preservation of the current Lucknow Local Management (TMC) to
> continue their service.*
>
> *iii) A change in the Zonal supervisor for ISKCON Lucknow. We would prefer
> to serve under either of the other two Zonal Supervisors for Uttar Pradesh
> (HH Bhakti Prem Swami Maharaj or HG Sundar Gopal Prabhu).*
>
>
>
> We earnestly seek appropriate action to be taken in response to these
> concerns.
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>
>
> Your aspiring servants
>
> Aditya Narayan Das (Co President, ISKCON Lucknow)
>
> Umapati Sewak Das (TMC Member) / Madhu Smita Das (TMC Member)
>
>
> --
Devakinandan das.

Saturday, June 3, 2023

Gaura Govinda Poisoned? / Palika's VIDEO / Ex-kuli Testimonies 06 03 23


Congratulations Jayapataka! 
You got many kids molested in your Mayapur program. 
I worship thy feet!
Could not have done this job without you!


GAURA GOVINDA MAHARAJA POISONED?

PA: A Lokanath disciple was threatening to kill Goura Govinda swami twice at my home in January 1996 in Bhubaneshwar and demanding my birthday be celebrated. Chaitanya Chandra spoke to me about it and told me they would kill Goura Govinda.

My step mother Anuradha said they threatened they would kill Goura Govinda, was I happy about it is a result of my protest against Lokanath at the Prabhupada centennial festival. My father Jagadatma simply smiled and nodded and said leave her alone it's done no point crying over spilt milk.

After Goura Govinda swami had passed away I saw all 5 of them speaking with each other a number of times to discuss what happened and they told me it wasn't my fault it would have happened anyway not to be upset. Chaitanya Chandra, Advaita Acharya now Gopinath, Atmarama drew the short straw and administered the poison, Anuradha and Jagadatma were the 5 devotees involved in removing Goura Govinda swami. They said they had no choice. It had to be done for the good of Iskcon International society for Krishna consciousness.

PADA: Gaura Govinda Maharaja had said that he was going to get the "local brahmanas" (Gaudiya Matha) to make a public protest at the temple that the GBC is saying the jeevas fell from Vaikuntha (which is what Srila Prabhupada says). Of course "local brahmanas" are really Gaudiya Matha folks, who believe we fell from brahmajyoti (which is mayavada). 

GBC was maybe afraid the Gaudiya Matha would make an actual physical uprising at the temple, and then try to legally invalidate the ISKCON charity status and so on. In other words -- Gaura Govinda Maharaja was threatening their business. They felt he had to be stopped. He was making a series of talks about the jeeva just before he departed. Gaura Govinda's being buried in a sewer may have been to make his body decompose more rapidly. ys pd

Question: Why is the promotion of the ritvik system still going on?

Gour Govinda Swami: The GBC body has already condemned it. We have also issued our paper that was published in the ISKCON journal. Very clear. The GBC has rejected that idea. That is not accepted. That is not the view of Prabhupada. That is neither the Vaiṣṇava process, nor the Gaudiya Vaiṣṇava process at all. No. There is no such process in the Gaudiya process, Gaudiya dhārā, no.
Q & A at Forest Hills, Queens, New York – November 9, 1991

PADA: Yep, Gaura Govinda maharaja wanted us to worship his homo and pedo pals as our acharyas, and they might have taken him out. Strange how that would happen, the people you want to be worshiped as messiahs -- as good as God, wanted you dead. 

Or as one devotee said, being with the GBC is like falling into a pit of snakes -- or going to an Ozark's venemous snake handling church. And the problem is, GGM was trying to make these snakes into Krishna's gurus, and he thought he was clever and he could handle these venemous snakes, but he got fatally bit by the same snakes he was handling. ys pd

krishna1008: Gaura Govinda Maharaja's Stinky Sewage Samadhi

PA: I begged Goura Govinda swami for help with being sexually abused repeatedly then gave up the last time when he asked me if it had stopped as I just couldn't face another beating for telling him yet again -- they were still at it.

I personally saw 2 previous students protesting outside his bhajan kutir for Goura Govinda swami molesting them when he was the principal. Chaitanya Chandra bribed one the other refused money. I spoke to Goura Govinda swami about this incident a number of times on his daily walks and he never denied it.
When he was chastising Lokanath for having me beaten in January 96 and made to apologise Lokanath said who are you to tell me what to do? Goura Govinda swami chastised me and said it was not my place to criticise or protest against Lokanath.
Goura Govinda swami said to me every time I told him about the sexual abuse "Tat tenu kampam su su miksha mana and trinada pi su niche na" surrender to Krishna get Krishna Prema and never come back to this material world only suffering is here.

PADA: In other words -- GGM is not going to lift a finger to help her ... and that means the day will come when he will be a child who is begging for help -- and none will ever come. ys pd

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PADA: Some folks have argued with me that some of these "victim accounts" are not fully accurate. Well maybe yes and maybe no, but something horrible for sure happened to all these folks -- or they would not be telling these kinds of stories AT ALL. 

No normal kids ever tell these kinds of stories, clearly something terrible happened to her -- or else her and a number of other ex-kuli children -- would not be sharing these kinds of stories, at all. As one devotee said, these children's lives would have made Stephen King novels look like nothing scary at all. ys pd

angel108b@yahoo.com

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A Devotee: The site for the new temple at Auckland, New Zealand, had been excavated, revealing the fawn-coloured clay beneath the top soil. Two gurukula girls, both aged ten, were walking around the temple construction site when they spotted the boy's gurukula ashram teacher. He was fashioning a lump of clay in his hands as he signalled for them to come to him.

As they neared he showed them the clay object he'd made, a cylindrical shaped object.

"Tell me what this is", he said to the girls.

"That's a banana", replied one of the girls.

The ashram teacher sniggered. "It's a BIG banana".

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This same ashram teacher had tried to strip me naked in public. As I resisted, pulling away with all of my might, he let me go with a push, sending me full force into a door frame, splitting my forehead open, blood gushing everywhere.

They drove me in haste to the Kumeu Medical Centre, where the doctor injected a local anaesthetic and put seven stitches in. When I look in the mirror I still see the scar. It's half on my forehead and half above my hairline.

"You really need to watch where you're running from now on", said the doctor, whose name was William Calverley, as he finished putting in the stitches. On the drive back to New Varshana, I was reminded that I was not to tell anyone what actually happenned.

Bhavananda, who we called Srila Vishnupada, was soon to visit.

"Srila Vishnupada will give you an extra cookie", I was told.

(During his NZ visits, Bhavananda, "Srila Vishnupada", would sit on a vyasasana and hand out luxurious biscuits and cookies to the devotees. Sometimes he would take a bite from a cookie and throw the remainder into a swirling crowd of brahmacaris who would literally shove and fight to get the "special prasadam".)

I don't remember getting any extra cookie from Srila Vishnupada as a result of my head injury, but I do remember the weird pain of telling everyone a lie, of bottling up what actually happened.

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The boy's ashram teacher was at some stage transferred to pujari service. All of us gurukula kids would wake up for mangal arati. After Mangal arati, we would line up on the wooden verandah of the temple and two kids would be selected to collect milk sweets from the pujari.

We had a round plastic container for the milk sweets and they were taken back to the gurukula where we'd each get one sweet along with a cup of hot milk. When the boy's ashram teacher became the pujari, he was waiting in the deity room for the kids to come and collect the milk sweets.

He would part his dhoti to reveal an erection, and tell the children that they had to touch his penis if they were to get the milk sweets. Eventually he was outed as one of the girls (who he had fashioned the clay "banana" in front of) told her friend, who in turn told her father.

"He passes this funny white stuff when we touch his genitals", the girls said.
My mother told me that he "hung his head in shame" and "admitted everything" when summoned in front of the temple committee.

He was put on the next available flight out of New Zealand, to Sydney, Australia, where he became the pujari. 

V Dasi: More disgusting evidence this is a molester cult. His name should be revealed so that people should know to keep their kids away from him and he should also be banned from temple premises.

MK: 100% agree!! The wife knows already anyway ... and if he had been arrested and sent to jail (which he should have been!!) she would have been "embarrassed" and felt bad, of course! But what is more important?! To be concerned her feelings or to avert any more possible REAL AND TRAUMATIC damage to children?! 

I commend you, GP Dasa for your kind and thoughtful manner, but this is a case where the public needs to be alerted! AND the man needs to be PUBLICLY SHAMED at the very least!! AND the GBC and "temple authorities" once again need to be admonished! One more instance of pastoral abuse coming to light! Thoroughly disgusting!!

Friday, June 2, 2023

ISKCON's Women Abuse / Kailasa / NZ Devotees / Kaunteya / Al-kuhl 06 02

Women used as pawns in the GBC's guru chess game

Henry Doktorski: Early June, 1986: On or around this date in history 37 years ago, Tirtha’s wife, Suksmarupini (Suzanne Bludeau), leaves him. After her husband’s arrest in Kent, Ohio, on May 27th, she returns to their trailer-park home in Ravenna. Soon after, devotees bring her and her sons to the Cleveland ISKCON temple.

After a few days, a Bhaktipada disciple in Cleveland, Ananda dasa, takes her to New Vrindaban to meet with Bhaktipada. Bhaktipada tells Ananda to “take her away.” Suksmarupini’s sons are enrolled in the gurukula, and Ananda and Suksmarupini move to a furnished house in Scottsdale, Arizona, provided by New Vrindaban. Ananda becomes her new lover.

When Tirtha in jail finds out, he orders Janmastami to “whack him” for “stealing his wife.” Janmastami refused. (Gold, Guns and God, Vol. 7, p. 172, Killing For Krishna, p. 408)

Photo of Suzanne, Moundsville, West Virginia, May 1987, by Nelson Hooker.

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angel108b@yahoo.com

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PADA's KAILASA UPDATE: But who initiated Hasya Rati? Anyway, that is fine, you have no source of divyam jnanam that destroys sins, but our people do. You want Krishna to have non-trained people taking care of His deity, and so your plan has made deviants including molesters taking care of Him since 1978, but we want Him to have trained people. 

You wanted Madhyams to take sins, but Srila Prabhupada says they cannot take sins because they have no brahmana tejyas. And they are thus in danger of taking births as snakes. We do not want to have people taking births as snakes. 

I am not sure why you have even any valid points since you are saying your whole idea is to preach that Krishna's vani is dead, post mortem and posthumous. We do not worship the post mortem, we worship the eternal. There is no divyam jnanam that destroys sins for you, you say it is non-manifest, a phantom, dead, post mortem, ok you cannot save yourselves then never mind others. 

Who goes around saying Krishna words are post mortem and non-manifest? I forgot, you wanted to manifest deviants including molesters taking care of the deity, and rats and cock roaches in some deity rooms, and that is what you have manifested. Sorry, we do not want people to take births as snakes and be eaten by ants, which is what happens when non-uttama takes sins. 

You want people to suffer and we do not. Srila Prabhupada will be the guru for our people, and we are gaining thousands more just this year, so our idea will prevail over time and in no time at all no one will even know who Kailasa ever was or if he even ever existed, our people will be worshiping the acharya long after he is post mortem. No one in any religion goes around saying their guru is dead and not valid and post mortem, that is not taught anywhere by religious people. Srila Prabhupada says Jesus is taking the sins of the Christians now even after 2,000 years, because he is their guru now. ys pd

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Having an organization where a limited Madhyam is giving a limited number of initiations to a limited number of people will not work for a large international operation. Srila Prabhupada does not want to have a teeny cult of a limited few people, he wants thousands, and we are doing that. Anyway you cannot name the person who initiated you as Hasya Ratī, that is called mayavada. You got a secret name ceremony, giving you a secret mantra from a secret guru, this is called mayavada. This is how some of the mayavadas operate. Of course, Srila Prabhupada also says a person who does not name the guru has made themselves the guru, also mayavada. Ys pd

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DEVOTEES IN NEW ZEALAND

https://www.harekrishnabeehive.com/bhaktihome?



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PADA: OK Kaunteya is still at it, the Bhakti Vikas / Basu Ghosh / ICC India folks are basically neo-smarta [demons?] for their not allowing women to be ISKCON diksha gurus. And Kaunteya has wrote some booklets that are critical of Srila Prahbupada's "out of touch 18th century ideas."

Meanwhile, he has been Jayapataka's hand maiden in Mayapura where -- oh oh, there has been tons of problems, did I forget to mention tons and tons of problems -- with the treatment of children. Was he aware of these problems? What is his view on these problems?

At the same time, maybe six years ago, the GBC was lamenting that not enough men are stepping up to be gurus, and the original wave of post-1978 men gurus was wearing out, getting too old, maybe getting senile -- and of course dying off. Right. So how is making a few "senior Prabhupada disciple women," who will also almost certainly be old, worn out, sick and dying off, going to help? At all? It isn't.

It is just creating a false hope for a few foolish women who think they are going to get the keys to the kingdom. But first of all the GBC has made severe restrictions on how these women can be selected. OK hardly any will be.

The entire credibility of the GBC [men or women not really the big issue] is in shreds, tatters, and it is more or less a train wreck. Bhakti Vikas swami says it is like crashing Jumbo Jets, because hundreds of people get wiped out when their gurus bloop etc. How can adding a few women as gurus to this crashing Jumbo Jets process fix the current mess? I am not seeing how it will.


Most of the temple are now Hindu-ized as well.

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AMOGHA LILA DASA:

Amogha lila really did not appreciate my approach to addressing the problems in ISKCON. He said I was "way too heavy" when victims told me I was "way too lenient." He said contrary things, the GBC is not approved by Srila Prabhupada, but we have to cooperate with the GBC etc. Having it both ways? He was especially angry at me when I was organizing the molesting lawsuit because "it will cost us a lot of money." 

No kidding. A program that allows industrial levels of mistreatment of minors is due for a reaction, and we should expect such. I think he just had some very unrealistic ideas about how to manage an institution, and especially, how to manage the younger members of that institution. He was one of those guys who would walk across the street when I was coming the other way -- to avoid having any interactions with me. It is sad what happened to him, but he was always trying to avoid the real issues in my opinion, and the "head in the sand" approach seems to lead devotees into a detrimental mental state sooner or later. Especially, when the real seriousness of the abuse issue finally surfaced as they had to face the reality of what their acquiescing was causing. ys pd

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TO THE DEVOTEES WHO HAVE TURNED TO ALCOHOL. 



What exactly is alcohol?

Let’s start by looking at the meaning of the word “alcohol”. It comes from the Arabic "al-kuhl", which in translation means "the spirit that devours the body".
Once again, "Al-kuhl" is the original basis for the English word "ghoul."

In Middle Eastern popular culture, it refers to an evil demon that eats human bodies, steals corpses and kidnaps children. The words “alembic” and “alcohol” are metaphorical names for “water of life” or “spirit. "

“Alembic” and “alcohol” simultaneously point more often to a distilled liquid, which originated in Middle Eastern magic experiments and alchemy experiments.
Deepening the issue, we’ll discover also these interesting facts:

1. Al kol: a jinn or spirit of Arab mythology who comes incarnate in various forms or supernatural beings.

2. Al kol: Any drug or substance that darkens the mind and distracts it.

3. The word "alcohol" in astronomy is also related to a particular star called "Algol", which also means "Demon's Head".

4. In modern Arabic, alcohol (ethanol) is called ال ولول (al- Vawl), which more precisely means "spirit" or "demon".

In alchemy, alcohol is used to extract the mental essence of an entity.
For this reason, it is used to extract fragrances, which are then used in the production of essential oils.

Alcohol consumption has the effect on our body that alcohol extracts the essence itself, the foundation of the soul, making our body more accessible to the surrounding entities.

It happens that it puts us under the influence of the quality of ignorance (tamas), which weakens our perception and mental defenses. It is known that drunk and drunk people have a much weaker aura, and all chakras are suppressed except the lower ones - the most primitive ones.

What happens to a person when they are intoxicated -- most entities (ghosts) around us have low frequency (that's why we call alcoholic beverages "spiritus").
Because of this, people who consume excessive amounts of alcohol often get a “window” and have no memory.

Doing so many times, they act like they’ll never act, and they’re literally not themselves. This is because their weakened conscience is temporarily dominated by one or more spirits that seek to entertain themselves through the victim's crude body. A similar effect occurs with squareness. The flesh is dominated by the Spirit that takes control. 

However, one doesn’t remember anything when he wakes up. Spirits try to use our bodies as vehicles for their selfish purposes, dark actions, violence, ground sex practices, destructive behaviors, rape and more, while they themselves have lost their material bodies. 

Our soul and delicate body are intoxicated and "sleep" under the influence of alcohol. Thus we become easy prey. Places like pubs, bars, discos etc are full of such beings because they are attracted to the quality of ignorance that prevails over you. I'm sure many of you have experienced instances where a very drunk person was literally acting like an obsessive.

Sometimes you just have to look it in the eye and it doesn’t mean good. You may have experienced or noticed a significant change in voice, violence, sexual promiscuity, harmful substance use, damage to property, conflicting behaviour, and other negative expressions.

So let's reflect on this experience and ask ourselves: are these acts of kindness, love and positivity? Is the aforementioned behavior an expression of awareness and health? Unfortunately, we see this behaviour in most young people and even the elderly on the streets on weekends. Regular self-destruction has become, especially in the West, a moral standard. 

Thursday, June 1, 2023

Panihati VIDEO / Surya Narayan Writes / Mahatma das 06 01



SHARING - Please feel free to share your thoughts. 

Purple Horses: Living Gurus, Dead Gurus.

By Surya Narayana das - A Blunt Crayon Production.

*While drafting this my phone voice recognition kept coming up with ‘purple horse’ when I said “purport,” so I ran with it.

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“The Bhagavad-gītā should be understood by the line of disciplic succession of authorized ācāryas.

“Fortunately, in your South India all the great ācāryas appeared—Śaṅkarācārya, Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya, Viṣṇu Svāmī, all of them.

“So you are very fortunate, and the ācārya commentary is also there. Rāmānujācārya commentary is there, Madhvācārya commentary is there.

“So you take advantage and read them very nicely. That is our request, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

“And try to understand Kṛṣṇa. If you simply understand Kṛṣṇa, then the result will be, janma karma me divyam yo jānāti tattvataḥ, in truth, in fact, which you can do only if you follow the ācāryas, not the rascals.

“Don't follow any rascal. You follow the ācārya, you'll get the benefit of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is our request.”
(Lecture on SB 1.2.5 - Visakhapatnam, February 20, 1972, Ladies Club)

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In his wisdom, Srila Prabhupada gave us direction: “Therefore, our only means for satisfying Kṛṣṇa is to pursue the injunctions of Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, who says, “Whomever you meet, instruct him on the teachings of Kṛṣṇa. In this way, on My order, become a spiritual master and deliver the people of this country.”
(CC Madhya 7.128)

And all over the world, members of the Hare Krishna Movement have taken it up: book distribution, harinama, Sunday Love Feasts, travelling festivals, preaching to new bhaktas, speaking with friends, family and workmates, etc.

We’ve been inspired, trained, and educated by our many siksha gurus, and hopefully have gone on to become good sikshas ourselves.

“Simply trying to follow the orders of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, we speak to the people of the world about Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. This will make us qualified to satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa.”
(CC Adi 17.78, Purport)

The siksha gurus in Iskcon - those considered by leadership to be from within the rank and file - play a vital role in the expansion of KC to every town and village. It’s the siksha who goes out on the street, standing in the rush of the opposing current, sometimes facing threats and abuse, and every now and then if they’re lucky, snagging a sincere soul zipping by.

Once back at the temple, centre, or our homes, the siksha might start with the basics: Who is Krishna, what is karma, reincarnation, then on to how to sling a dhoti or wrap a sari (the more liberal centres these days may teach you how to do both). We’re taught how to cook and offer our food, apply tilak, recite Prabhupada’s pranamas, chant on beads, ride the kartals, and later maybe to dress Prabhupada’s murti, wake the Deities, give Bhagavatam class, or hit the street on books, taking up the role of siksha ourselves.

The siksha gurus weave through the new devotees' awakening, and if we’re fortunate, there will always be siksha encouragement and support through the years whenever we need.

As siksha, we may counsel, console, challenge, listen and encourage, while showing kindness and care to the newcomer as they deal with the ups and downs of re-entering the spiritual atmosphere and Maya’s calling them back. Recently, I wrote to two of my original siksha gurus to let them know I’d not forgotten how valuable and impactful that initial contact had been.

The siksha might don the hat of mother, father, sister, friend, guide, counsellor, chef, nutritionist, hygienist, priest, spiritual doctor, first responder, educator, editor, confidant, personal trainer, protector, travelling companion and all round servant, to name a few.

Within the current Iskcon structure we then see after all the hard work is done by the rank and file shiksha devotees, then the Iskcon diksha guru flies into town and scoops up the fresh devotees, and at next year’s Vyasa puja the new disciple may pontificate on their guru having saved them, how they owe him their life, a debt they can never repay, without His Holiness the wretched soul is simply a worthless dust-speck, etc., etc. Many lofty accompanying verses from sastra may be quoted to drive the point home. But is this perception of both the Iskcon guru and disciple accurate or even true?

A guru / teacher is important, and most devotees will act in the capacity of siksha guru at some point and place in their lives, possibly in a variety of settings and circumstances, as was the desire of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. It never really goes away, and I’m guessing most practicing devotees have these kinds of exchanges still, where they share the Krishna lifestyle and teachings to varying degrees with people they meet.

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PADA: Yes, I just told some media people their whole idea is:
"You need to worship the living pedos to attain God"
Recently ammended!
You have to worship our dead pedos in samadhi!
Anyone who does not worship the living and dead pedophiles?
Banned, beaten, sued and killed. 
Any questions?  

In his paper, What is Guru? – Part 1, Illuminations 68, Mahatma Das writes the following in his list of reasons one may not want to take an Iskcon diksha guru:

“The person considers Prabhupada to be his guru and he thinks that accepting another guru will interfere with this relationship.”

He then offers the following advice:

“One simply needs to ask his siksa guru to help him deepen his relationship with Prabhupada and act as an intermediary between him and Prabhupada.”

Although somewhat encouraging, like others, Mahatma Prabhu wants to keep Srila Prabhupada out of reach, repeating the institutional line: we can’t be trusted to discern Prabhupada’s purports, stand on our own two feet, or hold our own in a student / master relationship with the sampradāya ācārya. In the absence of any evidence as to why, Mahatmaji simply tells us we need someone to ‘act as an intermediary BETWEEN us and Prabhupada.’

PADA: Pretty simple really. How would people worship Mahatma's illicit sex with men, women and children guru's process -- which bans, beats, molests, sues and assassinates devotees -- if they worship Srila Prabhupada instead of following his process? Mahatma's folks have a very strict program, we have to worship their anal reconstructive surgery of children epidemic process, or we are "bogus ritviks." 

And then when the children victims of his process are taking their lives, and thus ISKCON is sued for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse, then Mahatama says the people leading this process are "God's successor gurus," when even ordinary media people tell me, these people are a Satanic child abuse cult. 

And the Dallas court folks say -- these are the most horrific cases of child abuse they have ever witnessed in this court. But the people leading the abuse regime are allegedly "God's successors" which simply doubles down the abuse and makes the victims feel even more distraught. The people who orchestrated our abuse are "God's successors"? Who would say such cruel things to abuse victims?

Mahatma Prabhu would have us believe without a designated caregiver we can’t approach Srila Prabhupada directly, understand his teachings, develop or deepen a relationship with him through service, practice, and chastity to his teachings. As a senior and a teacher, Mahatmaji is shaping young minds, having them believe they cannot directly approach and understand ‘the Acarya commentary.’ I disagree.

[PADA: Correct. The people who read Srila Prabhupada's books know that worshiping illicit sex with men, women and children is bogus.]

I would suggest that the current climate in Iskcon around the function and role of these replacement gurus has the potential to keep the disciple in a spiritually infantile or stunted state, believing they cannot fully function or truly think for themselves, and are therefore unfit to be trusted in a direct relationship with Srila Prabhupada, what to speak of the caitya-guru within the heart.

“In the Bhagavad-gītā the Lord says that to those who are constantly engaged in devotional service with love and affection, the Supreme Personality of Godhead gives intelligence from within, and thus they may make further progress.”
(SB 4.9.8, Purport)

The living guru theory may actually limit our natural growth, self-realisation, and healthy spiritual interdependency. Disciples may feel they only have one ‘port of call,’ with both Prabhupada and Krishna beyond reach. ‘Jumping over’ is considered aparadha, and the living guru holds all the power to control, direct and affect as he pleases. But could the living Iskcon guru actually be holding the disciples back, keeping them stuck on his level, as we discussed in “Kaniskcon” - Prabhupada’s Spiritual Master Plan?"

PADA: But even an ordinary mundane person walking down the street knows that worshiping pedophiles as God's messiahs is against God and His teachings.

"The chanting of Hare Krishna is our main business, that is real initiation. And as you are all following my instruction, in that matter, the initiator is already there." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, 19/8/68)

The living guru coercion and the resultant institutional mindset can disempower and create unhealthy, co-dependent relationships rather than independently thoughtful empowering, and instilling of confidence that Krishna is in control of everything, including our spiritual lives, and that through our honesty and sincerity to follow Srila Prabhupada’s instructions, as above mentioned, God will guide and teach us, and that we have everything we need. Indeed we’re seeing a growing trend where Iskcon devotees are openly rejecting their living gurus as their less than pure and unmotivated activities are exposed.

“As the Supersoul, Lord Kṛṣṇa enlightens the devotee from within the heart and disperses the gloom of ignorance.

"The Lord gives the devotee the spiritual intelligence to attain Him.”
(Renunciation Through Wisdom 2.13)

Extreme examples of this spiritual debilitation can be found in disciples who refuse to give up the worship of their fallen living Iskcon guru (as outlined in the Angry Mother piece from my earlier article), even when that person has betrayed them and failed to act as an even half-decent disciple of their own spiritual master.

“My advice is always chant 16 rounds minimum and follow the four regulative principles.

“All of my disciples must agree on this point otherwise they are not my disciples.”
(Letter to Raja Laksmi 1976)

The fallen guru may have done things that honest men on the street wouldn’t dream of, and that a true Vaishnava would certainly never do. They may have committed one or more state crimes, and yet members of the society, (ex)disciples, well-wishers, and leadership may continue to hold that person in high regard, above even Prabhupada’s instructions, allowing them position and place within the society, enjoying service and facilities while being protected from the consequences of their degraded actions with zero accountability.

“They ignore the Vedic injunction ācāryopāsana—"One must worship the ācārya"—and Kṛṣṇa's statement in the Bhagavad-gītā (4.2) evaṁ paramparā-prāptam, "This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession."

“Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called ācāryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the ācāryas.”
(Sri Isopanisad 12, Purport)

In extremes of this extreme, we may see fallen and sinful men offered big worship and honour befitting a Mahant, accumulating disciples still, or being placed into samadhi in the holy ground of Vrndavana. And members of the society who dare point out the obvious may be threatened, assaulted, and in some instances, killed. 

“The Emperor is not naked, you just can’t see his fine gold clothes.” It would appear the living guru indoctrination runs deep.

“Śrī Īśopaniṣad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification.”
(Sri Isopanisad 12, Purport)

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When we study the early history of the movement, we see that HDG trusted Krishna would guide His devotees, and regularly sent disciples away from his personal overseeing to open new centres and preach, even as relatively young devotees. And when listening to Prabhupada’s lectures, we never really hear him say, “Without my advice you’ll all be finished, so you have to constantly be asking your living guru stuff.”

"In my books the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is explained fully so if there is anything which you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again.

“By reading daily the knowledge will be revealed to you and by this process your spiritual life will develop.

"Krishna Consciousness is not a hackneyed thing but it is something which is our natural and original consciousness.

“Presently our consciousness is clouded just like a mirror becomes covered with dust. So the cleansing process is this chanting and hearing and doing some service and trying to please the Spiritual Master.

“By this process our consciousness becomes clear and we are able to understand everything."

(Srila Prabhupada Letter, November 22, 1974)

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So what about the diksha guru that Iskcon insists we must accept to replace Srila Prabhupada? A living guru to guide us. An absolute essential lest we become lost in the complexity of the four regs and Bhagavad Gita remains meaningless hieroglyphics on a page? But what of Srila Prabhupada’s assurance: “By reading daily the knowledge will be revealed”? Why must we go and beg from someone for this knowledge via their all-merciful interference?

“Surrender by your intelligence but don't surrender your intelligence."

(SP to Bali Mardana, 1974)

To roll over and accept the post-1977 decree that Prabhupada is gone may be challenging for many, as it asks us to dismiss the experiential knowledge we’ve gained, in some cases over decades, that’s shown us we’re doing just fine without the living Iskcon guru they once pressed into the equation. What do we do with our very real, ‘living guru-free’ experience making steady, tangible advancement, getting realisations, losing a taste for matter, and feeling expanding spiritual happiness?

The living Iskcon guru seems something like the man at the restaurant who wants to be paid for assuring us that we feel full after eating a sumptuous meal he didn’t cook. Do we really need permission from a so called senior intermediary to directly experience Prabhupada’s presence in our lives?

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“Bhakti does not depend on the age, Bhakti depends on sincerity of service.
“It’s not that because one man is older than me, therefore he’ll be greater devotee. No…

“This is real knowledge, to remain always insignificant before Guru, Krishna.
“If somebody thinks, “I have become more than my Guru, more than Krishna” then he is finished.

“That was the instruction of my Guru Maharaj, that bada vaisnava - “I am very big Vaisnava, everyone should come and obey my orders” - this is condemned position.”

(Srila Prabhupada: SB 7:9:3 - Feb 10, 1976 Mayapur, India)

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Taking a morning walk with Prabhupada around Stow Lake in 2023 and hearing him speak is no less spiritually potent than it was in 1968, regardless of what Mahatma or others might say. For many of us, His Divine Grace is neither dead nor gone.

“Because for a serious student of devotion, Krishna is in his hand.”
(Srila Prabhupada: SB 7:9:3 - Feb 10, 1976 Mayapur, India)

I’ve seen many examples, and we have our own experience where the living Iskcon guru is long gone, and yet the ‘disciples,’ who were supposedly utterly dependent on, and totally bewildered and scripturally illiterate without said guru, are thriving free from the psychoses many an ex-disciple openly admits plagued them in the past. How do we convince these devotees that they need, or ever needed a living guru in place of Srila Prabhupada?

That the organisation calling itself Iskcon insists we need a living guru to make advancement raises genuine concerns. Based on logic and reason we might be forgiven for respectfully challenging, “How is it that the devotees acting as diksha gurus today themselves had very limited ‘living guru’ time (1966-77) with Srila Prabhupada, and yet somehow feel they still have direct access to the Acarya commentary?” If they expect us to swallow this, ‘haves and have nots’ philosophy they’ve got some explaining to do.

Wouldn’t the current Iskcon living guru model by default mean that access to the living spiritual guru stopped for all disciples the day Srila Prabhupada stopped living?

If they say the knowledge and guidance they’ve receive post-Prabhupada nurtures them still (and therefore feel they’re not simply stunted spiritual ten-year olds), then why not everyone go to the same available source and drink from that same well of knowledge?

Is it right that one group claim monopoly over the transcendental knowledge - the divya jana delivered by our undisputed ācārya-sampradāya - repackage it, and then on-sell it as a carefully controlled, branded, indispensable spiritual commodity available only at certain outlets? Capitalistic Spiritualism.
How do we to accept with full faith that Srila Prabhupada is good enough for some, but not for others? Did a chosen few receive some kind of Zap obtainable only in the presence of a living guru, and that’s why they no longer need a living guru, but we do?

The potential danger of having an Iskcon guru foisted upon us in the belief that only they can directly experience and understand Prabhupada, is that by inserting someone between us and HDG our natural opening of the heart and reawakening of an original loving relationship with the Lord could become tainted or contaminated by this third party intervention, interference and interpretation, born of whatever impurities sit within the heart of those less qualified than the pure devotee, Srila Prabhupada. Actually we’ve already seen this play out many times with unqualified meddling living gurus destroying spiritual lives and poisoning the well.

Certainly if we study the influence Iskcon gurus have had from the Big Eleven down side by side with Prabhupada’s unadulterated teachings, I think we’ll find two quite different realities. Many believe the Iskcon gurus are leading us down the garden path (toward the compost, not the roses), in a hapless, unauthorised mission shift. Would this have happened if members were given free access to Srila Prabhupada and his teachings without living guru sway over the faithful?
If the Founder-Acarya is sufficient after his disappearance to guide some (who we presume believe they’re making spiritual advancement still), then again it begs the question, why’s he not sufficient to guide others by the same means? Why do we need other acaryas if it’s obvious the sampradāya ācārya is more than capable of carrying out all the functions he’s being replaced to do?

Why this burning need to oust His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Founder-Acarya of the Hare Krishna Movement if, after his physical departure, disciples felt no need to go off in search of a living replacement, but rather considered, and still consider our sampradaya ācāryas guidance and mercy more than adequate?

There’s something disingenuous about being told you have to have a living diksha guru by a man who for most of his spiritual life has not had a living diksha guru.

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“Thus it is the duty of the ācārya to publish books that will help future candidates take up the method of service and become eligible to return home, back to Godhead, by the mercy of the Lord.

“Thus the devotees have been advised to refrain from four sinful activities—illicit sex, intoxication, meat-eating and gambling—and to chant sixteen rounds a day.

“These are bona fide instructions.

“Kṛṣṇa will accept a devotee who strictly follows the regulative principles and the method prescribed in the various books and literatures published by the authorities.

“The ācārya gives the suitable method for crossing the ocean of nescience by accepting the boat of the Lord’s lotus feet, and if this method is strictly followed, the followers will ultimately reach the destination, by the grace of the Lord.

“This method is called ācārya-sampradāya. It is therefore said, sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ. (Padma Purāṇa)

“The ācārya-sampradāya is strictly bona fide. Therefore one must accept the ācārya-sampradāya; otherwise one’s endeavor will be futile.

“Śrīla Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura therefore sings:
tāṅdera caraṇa sevi bhakta sane vāsa
janame janame haya, ei abhilāṣa

“One must worship the lotus feet of the ācārya and live within the society of devotees. Then one’s endeavor to cross over nescience will surely be successful.”
(Srimad Bhagavatam 10.2.31 Purport)