Are ISKCON Devotees Following Ritvik Philosophy? (Anuttama DD)

Anuttama Devi Dasi

Are ISKCON Devotees Following Ritvik Philosophy?

I recently had a long phone conversation, catching up with a devotee whom I hadn’t talked to for over 30 years. He's one of the people with whom I feel a natural connection, but we’d lost touch when I moved away from New Dvarka in the mid 80s. Although I’d occasionally noticed him on social media over the years, I had refrained from picking up our friendship because it was obvious that he was an ISKCON policy supporter. I am a ritvik.

Our conversation touched many of the important milestones in both our shared and separate lives: we happened to both be staying in the same hotel in New Delhi when Indira Gandhi was assassinated (an alarming experience in which it seemed like the whole city was on fire), I didn’t know that he had been married, he didn’t know that I was doing a simple living, high thinking project in Washington.

We had a heart-warming conversation and as we were about to hang up, I mentioned in an off-hand way that I’m a ritvik. “But you can’t hate me”, I assured him, “because you are my friend.” And indeed, we both know the other well enough to understand that we are both trying, in our own ways to be devotees and loyal to Srila Prabhupada.

I’ve noticed lately that the philosophy followed by devotees who are gurus within ISKCON has evolved to the point that it is almost identical to the philosophy of devotees who accept Srila Prabhupada’s instructions regarding future initiations in the July 9th letter.

Here is a brief list of the philosophical agreements between the two camps of devotees:

We accept that Srila Prabhupada is the acarya who can take a disciple back to Godhead regardless of the behavior or consciousness of the individual who performed the initiation.

We accept Srila Prabhupada as the highest spiritual authority, higher than the GBC or the devotee who performed the initiation.

We accept that Srila Prabhupada’s words are sacred, dictated by Krsna and that to set the precedent of changing the acarya’s words is wrong and evil.

We try to follow Srila Prabhupada’s personal example in our behavior.

Pleasing Srila Prabhupada is the goal of our lives.

Srila Prabhupada is the sum total of the demigods, but the conditioned initiator is simply a conditioned soul trying to make spiritual advancement.

There is really only one major point of disagreement between the two camps of devotees: The ritviks call the person performing the initiation a ritvik (priest) or siksa guru and the other camp calls the person performing the initiation a diksa guru. To me it is not worth ruining a valuable friendship over someone’s misunderstanding of two words: siksa / diksa.

The Demons: a separate camp

Of course there is another camp within ISKCON: the demon infiltrators. These are people who are dressed as devotees, know the jargon and philosophy, but have the desire within their hearts to lord it over everything. They want to control the devotees, control the money, control the philosophy by changing Srila Prabhupada’s words, control their disciples, control the goals and control, control, control. These demons can easily be known by their behavior.

While the devotees who accept disciples within ISKCON will admit that they are not pure devotees and that the Samsara Prayers are sung to the pure devotee, Srila Prabhupada, the demons angrily insist that the song is for them, too. While the demons may now refrain from claiming to be pure devotees due to the fact that at least 40 of them have exhibited gross fallen behavior, demons behave in such a way as to pretend to be more advanced than they are.

New Book by Dhanesvara Prabhu Examines the History of Two Spiritual Movements.

Dhanesvara Prabhu has recently released a powerful book that examines the eerie parallels between Jesus’ movement in Palestine and Srila Prabhupada’s Hare Krsna movement. The thesis of the book is the on-going battle between the demigods and the demons and it does a great job of shining light on the deviousness of the demons. In the inaugural speech launching the book, Dhanesvara talks about the 6 ways the demons control the narrative from the grossest (physical weapons) to the most subtle (framing the worldview by materialism). 

He points out that Srila Prabhupada attacked the demons’ control by offering a spiritual alternative to the materialistic lifestyle and in doing so seriously eroded the 5 subtler ways that the demons control our consciousness. It would be naive to think that the demons wouldn’t infiltrate a mission that has the power to destroy everything that they are working to achieve.

Divine or Demoniac: Spiritual Movements and the Enemies Within, while it does examine the alarming policies that have resulted in alienating the next generation of devotees and many women, has a positive, uplifting message: we have the power and knowledge to rebuild ISKCON as Srila Prabhupada instructed. Srila Prabhupada intended his society to be run as a spiritual organization, rather than the controlling institution it has become and the book analyzes how and why ISKCON, the institution has gone astray.

When our beliefs wall off the truth

I've noticed that whenever someone has a belief, he/she is unable to see or hear any truth that contradicts that belief. It is almost like the belief erects a wall around itself that is almost impenetrable. Recently I needed a favor from one of my ritvik friends, but he declined because I am doing some service for Srila Prabhupada in association with non-ritviks. This attitude is actually a result of the demon's tactic to divide and conquer the opposition. The infiltrator demons created policies that resulted in many/most devotees leaving the ISKCON institution and then banned any devotee who promoted an understanding of Srila Prabhupada's wishes that were contrary to the demons' plans. Any devotee who wished to remain within the ISKCON structure quickly learned that if he/she wanted to keep his service, he'd better accept the status quo.

As a result animosity was created between devotees who were able to see that Srila Prabhupada is still with us in the form of his unchanged books and devotees who choose to stay within the structure of ISKCON. In my own life, this artificial animosity, created by demonic policies has destroyed many friendships unnecessarily.

Other Vaisnava Camps

I am initiated by Srila Prabhupada and I owe my life to him. He is the only authority that I accept regarding spiritual matters. If other "camps" of devotees accept someone else as their ultimate spiritual authority, of course they have the freedom to do that. It has nothing to do with me. If someone is following an authority who is offensive to Srila Prabhupada, I want nothing to do with such a person and would actually rather associate with karmis than someone who worships someone who is offensive to Srila Prabhupada.

Bhakti Yoga is about Love

As I've become more serious about chanting, I've been coming to realize that all of the events in my life are really just opportunities to help me chant better rounds.

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Vidura Mahatma Das: Haribol Anuttama mataji. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the differences between Iskcon devotees and ritviks. The way I see it, there are more serious differences between the two.

1. Iskcon members believe the spiritual master can be a conditioned soul to begin with, while ritviks strongly contest that idea. In my research of Srila Prabhupada's books, Srila Prabhupada also strongly contests it.

2. Iskcon members insist that we need a "living" guru. Ritviks say the guru is never a question of living or not living, because the genuine spiritual master is eternal, and that the bona fide spiritual master actually lives through sound vibration, his instructions. Srila Prabhupada also confirms this.

3. Iskcon members are willing to worship (deviants and / or) child molestors and / or men who have supported these child molestors, as siksa gurus and diksa gurus. Ritviks will never do so.

4. Iskcon members offer bhoga through conditioned souls first. Ritviks will never do this.

5. Iskcon members deny the fact that Srila Prabhupada set up a ritvik system of initiations and ordered for its continuation in 1977. Ritviks uphold this order.

These are just a few.

I'm afraid you may have severely downplayed the contrast between iskcon members and ritviks by way of overgeneralization. The differences are very serious. It's not that I don't want peace; I want peace on the basis of truth. There can be no real peace on the basis of untruth. I am not willing to compromise the truth of Srila Prabhupada's instructions and philosophy in order to fit in more with the iskcon crowd. This would be an injustice to myself and to Srila Prabhupada.

By the way, the ritviks are named so due to their following Srila Prabhupada's ritvik system of initiations (his words). We refer to ourselves as Prabhupadanugas, because really we are following Srila Prabhupada while iskcon has not been doing so for decades now.

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[PADA: Yes, divide and conquer. This also happened in the 1936 Gaudiya Matha, the devotees divided into supporting different factions and the united preaching was dismantled. The GBC has also cut up ISKCON into bogus guru's "zones" or mini-fiefdoms and broke down the unity as well.  

Unfortunately even some persons posing as Prabhupadanugas have also tried to compromise with the GBC's guru process, and this has undermined the unity of the reform effort. For example, Krishna Kanta's IRM wanted PADA to stop writing and take a vacation in the Caribbean. And our alleged vacation was going to paid for by the GBC. And how long would we have lived after moving to the Caribbean, hee hee? 

The IRM folks said the GBC and they were negotiating a deal, and part of the deal was to have no more PADA. OK so they were negotiating with the GBC's gurus, and they wanted to halt PADA -- and Krishna Kanta partook in aiding their side. We need to silence PADA, and de facto give the GBC guru's program the entire exclusive and only rights to rule over the speaking platform?

OK so they wanted a compromise with the GBC, and that immediately divided things because we do not want to work with the GBC by "making them ritviks."
Its way past "working with them as ritviks" at this point. 

Same type problem we had with the HKC Jaipur folks. They attacked all the other Prabhupadanugas groups including us. And they insisted that us and our people to listen to the GBC's worst case groupies like Bhakta dasa. In fact these guys took all the time and trouble to personally interview Bhakta das and post his speaking video for him, giving the GBC guru's defender's side free public advertising. Of course they never advertise those of us promoting Srila Prabhupada as the guru, that is verboten!

Do they ever think they should interview PADA about anything? Well nope, they think the GBC guru's defenders are the only source of real information. Hee hee! Of course this discredited these people so badly, which is why we barely hear any news from the IRM and these others nowadays, they compromised themselves into a corner. So they make an external show they are going to make a Prabhupadanuga program, but they are then attacking anyone who worships Prabhupada, and promoting the GBC's defenders. 

So there are those who claim to be Prabhupadanugas, but are still tethered to the GBC's apron strings in various ways. All this makes a divide and conquer process. In any case, we are making good progress with many nice folks writing significant inquiries and such, so progress will go on regardless. Dhansevara's book is a good platform to reform the GBC's guru process either direct or indirect. Since we all admit now that the GBC's guru process is contaminated with demoniac elements, then they are not gurus from square one. That is de facto our platform. ys pd]

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Dravida Prabhu's Guru Tattva Convoluted Mishmash

PADA: The spiritual master is a "rati keli siddha," i.e. a person who is serving Radharani and the gopis. The GBC's gurus are not on that level, but we should sing these songs to the GBC's gurus anyway. Why? We should realize that eventually they might come to that platform. OK maybe. Post dated check? 

Then what about the many who fell, and they went backwards? They are never coming to that platform, at least not for many more lifetimes. We should worship a conditioned soul person as an assistant of the gopis, because, he might eventually come to that platform? 

I should buy a Volkswagen because it might eventually become a Cadillac? 

And according to Dravida's pal Jayadvaita swami, the GBC's guru program contains -- illicit sex with men, women and children, and this is morphed into -- rati keli siddha? How can these platforms be merged together, material conditioning and spiritual perfection? This is a very convoluted explanation, fer sure. A devotee says Dravida also said at one time, he is not sure who we should meditate on during the singing of these guru songs? We are not sure who to meditate on? Is this mayavada? Word jugglery alert! ys pd 

Flat Earthers: Australia is a NASA Hoax

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PADA: Devotees send me stuff on a regular basis about the chem trails, subterranean demons, serpent people, alien abductions, and all sorts of stuff. And a lot of them think that many "accepted facts" are hoaxes. Maybe they are! Heh heh heh. Of course, some of them send me these flat earth materials too.

One of these type folks is Mukunda das UK, who sent me some bonkers video of a guy rolling a joint, with only 700 views. This video is talking about how the dark skinned people are taking over Europe and how this will ruin the Aryan empire program. Really? He self-evidently watches tons of these "conspiracy" videos, and unfortunately its making a lot of devotees look very silly and un-informed. And very paranoid delusional! The Western culture is the Aryan culture? 

For billions of years different races have taken over this area or that area, and this kind of stuff happens, again for billions of years all the time in history. Its not a conspiracy, its Krishna's arrangement that different empires, different races, and different rulers will rule for a period of time, and then their empires dwindle and are lost. 

Anyway, its sad that so many devotees are infatuated with these contrived "big problems," while they neglected to fix the real problem of fools posing as messiahs in ISKCON. The earth might be flat, the dark skinned people might be taking over Europe, the chem trails might be killing your dog, but meanwhile they have conditioned souls posing as gurus in their religion? BTW, my friend who is a pilot says the flat earth map would mean, his airplane would have run out of gas many times, since the differences in flight patterns on the flat planet map would make many current flight distances impossible for the type of aircraft that flies them. Anyway, good luck watching all these things, it means you are drifting into the material world of speculation. 

ys pd

Dhanesvara Dasa's Book is Now Published

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PADA: Yes, ISKCON was attacked by an evil infiltration. Yes, Dhanesvara agrees, Srila Prabhupada says -- just like Jesus was killed, they may kill me also. So the evil doers might have plotted and schemed to do just that. They maybe administered poison to Srila Prabhupada to "get him out of the way." Then they could rob, pillage and rampage ISKCON, and bring it down into a criminal mayhem mess, as happened under their watch. 

Dhanesvara made a live video about all this which I saw for only a few minutes, not sure if its still available since the link says "not available." Anyway, he was saying that the movement has been attacked by evil people posing as devotees. And we can judge by the result, i.e. that demoniac thinking and activity produces demoniac results. Agreed.

I think we agree on a lot of issues, however he says that all the camps should join together on the basis of chanting the holy name. OK, but how will the people who worship the evil people be able to join with the people who want to worship Prabhupada? He really does not explain? He also says the ritvik idea is wrong, ok so who is going to be the living guru now? Again, no explanation.

Now we also have had the same type problem with some people posing as Prabhupadanugas. They are making a show of saying they want to fix things, meanwhile they are in favor of allowing the crimes like child molesting etc. to go on unchecked. Yes, they think that PADA should simply sit back, and allow all sorts of crimes to go on as they have been doing all along. OK, so they are posing as devotees, but they want the same agenda as the bogus GBC wants, to suppress our complaints about the criminal process. 

Anyway, Dhanesvara is correct on a number of points, and that is helpful to at least clear away a few of the cobwebs here. I think he means well, he wants everyone to join together and have some sort of hunky dory kumbaya party, hee hee. Well maybe, but generally Krishna does not allow certain type folks to really enter into His realm just because they are externally chanting some mantra, He wants to see the real pure internal hearts of people. 

So this is one good thing Dhanesvara repeats, we will know them by their fruits. And their fruits are self-evidently nasty. They may try to hide their real nature, but their real nature is exposed in time. Yep! So false gurus, false Prabhupadanugas, same thing, you guys posed as devotees, but never understood the real essence from square one. ys pd  

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We Flopped as Gurus (Satsvarupa Dasa goswami) VIDEO

PADA: Thanks for sending me this link prabhu. 

Sheesh, a person who just watched this with me says, there is a pattern here --  Gopal Krishna swami, Satsvarupa dasa Goswami, Jayapataka and others, they can barely seem to speak properly these days. "Sounds like they just started speaking after eating a bag of sleeping pills." 

Yep probably right, they sort of speak like zombies, hee hee. 

So this is described by Srila Prabhupada, by offenses they will lose their intelligence. So "we flopped as gurus," that means you guys cheated people by saying you were gurus in the first place. You are not, were not, could not have been gurus. ys pd

24 Hour Kirtan Online APP

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PADA: A couple of these attempts have been made in the past, but the sites had glitches / went down later. Hopefully the technical side has been figured out here. Have not really listened to this for long so am not sure whats all going on here, but the idea is good. Aindra prabhu wanted some 24 hour kirtan programs to be going on in more locations, perhaps a cyber version is at least something. ys pd

Message to Future Leaders of ISKCON (BVKS)

PADA: People are voting with their feet. And most people voted, to leave. Correct. It really does not matter what the GBC does at this point, as long as they keep saying that acharyas are often debauchees, who are falling down left, right and center. When we have prominent GBC people saying that gurus are often falling, and even falling into illicit sex with men, women and children, there is simply no connection to Krishna going on here. 

Krishna never says His successors are illicit sex deviants, and there is no way this can be packaged as "Krishna's program." As usual, Bhakti Vikas Swami avoids this point, the main point, people do not want to worship illicit sex deviants as their gurus. And ISKCON will remain an empty ghost town as long as this issue is not resolved. 

And by his saying the GBC's gurus are wrong on various issues, and out of touch, and they are not following the example of Ram to listen to the subjects, he is saying they are gurus, and gurus are defective. That is the root problem right there, they are gurus, they are defective, therefore gurus are defective. And the GBC leaders have had to hire karmi cooks to make food for their meetings and various programs, ok that is because they have removed so many people they do not have their own cooks. And if they are offering bhogha to conditioned souls, that is not prasadam in any case. 

BVKS does not want to bash anyone, well hee hee, that is why all this nonsense is going on. All sorts of foolish things are going on and no one wants to bash the process. The emperor has no clothes, and no one wants to reveal that?

ys pd  

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The "cost of silence" of these GBC's gurus like Bhakti Vikas swami is that ISKCON was over run with crimes, including molesting, while they sat back and "did not want to bash anything."  Well all we have to do now is look back at what happened to the Kauravas when they were "silent" as Draupadi was insulted, they all had to die in infamy and then live on forever in history as compromised with evil. 

And that is how the GBC's guru process will be viewed by history, compromised and silent as crimes went on left, right and center. Of course it was worse than that, these people were not only silent, they vociferously attacked those of us trying to address the crimes. Bhakti Vikas swami is one of these people who attacks us, he says our idea that people need to worship the pure devotee as their acharya is the bogus ritviks idea. 

Yep, we cannot worship pure devotees when there are so many nice deviants, criminals, molesters, and orchestrators of murder to worship instead. And that was my first comment to PADA about this article, why is BVKS promoting the GBC's gurus when he knows they made a huge molester empire, and Radhanath is implicated in Sulochana's murder, and he buries a pedophile in the dham? Why is he part of that program, and he wants to defend it by not bashing it?

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2019/02/cost-of-silence-ii-sanaka-rsi-about.html

A Sadhu Does Not Require Deliverance (SP quote)

"The answer to this contradiction is that a sādhu, a devotee, does not require deliverance, but because he is very much anxious to see the Supreme Lord face to face, Kṛṣṇa comes not to deliver him from the clutches of matter, from which he has already been delivered, but to satisfy his inner desire. Just as a devotee wants to satisfy the Lord in all respects, the Lord even more wants to satisfy the devotee. 

Such are the exchanges of loving affairs. Even in our ordinary dealings, if we love someone we want to satisfy him or her, and he or she also wants to reciprocate. So if the reciprocation of loving affairs exists in this material world, in what an elevated way must it exist in the spiritual world. There is a verse in which the Lord says, “The sādhu is My heart, and I am also the sādhu’s heart.” The sādhu is always thinking of Kṛṣṇa, and Kṛṣṇa is always thinking of the sādhu, His devotee."

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Indradyumna Program Prohibits Video of "Maharaja with Children"

Festival held by Indradyumna Swami in Russia "From Heart to Heart" 

1-2 May 2019.

General rules of conduct and etiquette for followers of the Vaishnava tradition at the Festival.

Rules for guests with children.

7. You can not take photos and videos of Maharaj with children.

Original: https://vk.com/fromheart2heartekb?w=wall-177772383_193

[PADA: Hmmm, and people say no one pays attention to our complaints about these issues? ys pd]

Really Mellow Krishna Kirtana Here (Video)

ISKCON Listed in top 20 Dangerous Cults

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PADA: Yes, when we said that ISKCON is in trouble of possibly sinking into a criminal / molester / huge lawsuits / police raids / murder empire, many ISKCON people came forward to ban us, if not beat us, chase us with baseball bats, assassinate our friends, and kill us etc. And folks like GBC clones, Gaudiya Matha clones, Krishna Kanta, Kamsahanta, Bhaja Hari, and actually many hundreds others said our preaching is "too heavy" because I am "over blowing the crisis."  

Crisis? What crisis? Its all fine and dandy! Banning, beating, molesting, drug dealing, offering LSD to the shalagram, machine gun gurus ... and of course murder, its all wonderful Vaikuntha-ness! You need to take a vacation! 

And poisoning of the guru? 

Yep, most of these folks told me NOT to address that affair either! Which proved, hee hee, yup proved in spades that IN FACT we have been dealing with a dangerous cult ideology, proven right out of the gate! Even Narayana Maharaja was infuriated when we came out saying his favorite "Tamal Tree of Radha" was maybe orchestrating mass molesting, and poisoned Krishna's guru? Of course people do ask me from time to time, why has Jadurani become the promoter of Tamal's bucket boy Narayana Maharaja?

Then later on the Pancali / Krishna Kirtan / Janardan / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur goonda people threatened to have me "removed from the internet" by their goonda tactics (so they could save their pedophile messiah's program). Then Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur's goonda Prahlad even said he would post my photo so he could get his pals, the GBC's goondas, to kill me. The GBC's goondas are their friends? Yep, they even told me that they are working hand in glove with the GBC's pedophile messiah club's goondas. They joined forces with the GBC's groupies, those who wanted to defend the worship of pedophiles as God's successors? Of course notice, killing Vaishnavas who protest their molester agenda is part of their platform.

And the HKC Jaipur goonda's program did post my photo, thinking now our pedophile acharya's worship program will be saved, we will have anyone who opposes -- murdered! Oooops, GBC's goons already know who I am! Duh! Yep, even the local police told me "These people want to drink your blood." And the Los Angeles police also told me the same, "Stay off Watseka, these people want to KILL you."   

And then the HKC Jaipur et al. team all said we all need to listen to their pedophile samadhi burying program cheer leaders like Bhakta Das! Great, so all of these folks sort of combined together into aiding and abetting the process, that anyone who does not promote the worship of deviants if not pedophiles as God's successor messiahs program -- has to be shunned, banned sued, or maybe assassinated. Did I forget to mention, Bhakta das is another guy who beats on us with shoes for our opposing the worship of deviants as messiahs? 

Now, oddly, some of these same folks blame me for the "bad name" that the Krishna religion has? What? Again, my police friends said -- "These people want to blame the messenger, rather than blame themselves." The messenger is bad, ok but that does not make his message false, hee hee! Anyway, the good news is, we are getting more and more people to agree, our opponents are combined as a dangerous cult, but they have NO factual CONNECTION to Krishna. Where does Krishna say He wants deviants to be worshiped as His successors, or that he wants goondas to defend such odious out croppings? 

They are combined as dangerous deviants posing as sadhus. Yep, even the ordinary folks can figure all this out, its a dangerous program to worship deviants as messiahs. That is what Srila Prabhupada says, false gurus are "the most dangerous elements in human society," and -- other people are simply agreeing more and more. ys pd    

Brihad Bhagavatamrta Audio by Sanatana Gosvami (Dhruva Maharaja Das)

https://anchor.fm/dhruva-maharaja-dasa/

PADA: Cannot validate these translations, however the style that this is done is very nice. And this would be a nice style for others to read from Srila Prabhupada's books, lectures and so on. 

There are devotees who told me they cannot stand to listen to Amala Bhakta das, or any edited books readings. Yet there does not seem to be a lot of folks making well done alternate readings or media productions and so forth. 

Another devotee told me some years ago he was going to paraphrase, condense and / or simplify the Krishna book stories and read them on videos with very simple wording for children, and he maybe wanted me to help by making some of the illustrations, but he never did anything in the end. ys pd

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Cyclone Fani Targets Jagannatha Puri Area (NY Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/world/asia/cyclone-fani-india.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/india/cyclone-fani-evacuations-india-intl/index.html?

[PADA: Will possibly create "total devastation of straw roof huts and similar flimsy buildings" and "destroy much infrastructure" (like electrical power systems). OK, and there are millions of flimsy buildings in that region. 

Lets see what happens, hopefully some devotees will move in with at least some forms of prasadam distribution programs after the storm passes. This looks like a very devastating threat. ys pd]   

A devotee is not disturbed by suffering (SP quote)

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Dhanesvara's Book Launch May 7th

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2019/03/pada-letter-to-dhaneshvara-dasa-033119.html

PADA: So we should all agree that Srila Prabhupada complains of being poisoned. Yet, we cannot emphasize "different camps" -- and so we should unite all the camps of all the people who are chanting Hare Krishna, including the poison complaint orchestrators? 

OK, what if some of the people doing some of the chanting in some of the camps are worshiping the apparent poisoner and molester sabha as their acharyas? Not sure how this is all going to work? 

There are Divine people doing some chanting over here, and Demoniac people doing some chanting over there, and they can all unite -- under what principle? Still not getting it? Did Srila Prabhupada unite with the bogus Gaudiya Matha's acharyas? Well, nope. 

This "uniting" idea does not seem to have any practical application. All the camps have to unite, but how? And we all need to preach together. Fine, but chant what guru mantras and preach what siddhanta etc.? 

ys pd    

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