The New Bhaktas Select ISKCON's Messiahs? 12 15 23

PADA: I get this a lot. The persons in charge of deciding who are members of the ISKCON guru parampara are -- the brand new bhaktas.  

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PADA: I get lots of refugees coming to my sites and they are discouraged by worshiping what they found out later was -- conditioned soul acharyas. So we tell them to just worship Srila Prabhupada now, offer their food to him, and read his books and follow his process. And so far we have got probably hundreds into that process, which we are calling "Prabhupadanugas." 

It is working out good for them. I also tell them that offering food to conditioned souls contaminates the food, and we should never eat such false offerings, it is contaminating. And they tell me they feel better by offering to the pure devotee. I am also being consulted on a new world wide media production on ISKCON's history, and even the secular media people understand, most of the current people are not following Prabhupada. ys pd

DE: Yes, it's good, we should follow Srila Prabhupada, and not be naive. On the other hand, Srila Prabhupada gave the well established process of accepting a living Guru. So, accepting Srila Prabhupada as the founder acarya of ISKCON, without whom none of us would be devotees, and accepting the process that he gave us, including accepting a spiritual master, seems to be a more complete understanding of a way to progress. 

PADA: Sure. And yet Srila Prabhupada says, anyone who does not name the guru is a mayavada. Many people tell me about this non-named live guru, but evidently, they cannot identify who he / she is? First of all, we need to see what their live guru is writing, saying, preaching, and accomplishing, then we can go from there. We have to judge things by seeing practical devotional activity and results. 

To say there is a live pure person in theory, will not work in practice, and is not working. Neither we can we tell people to offer bhogha to a non-named / un-named theoretical person and etc. So when we see that people can name the actual live person they are accepting, then we can judge by the results and so on. Currently ISKCON is promoting the same identical people we had to have sued for $4000,000,000; and we had to help the GBC lose their $20,000,000 lawsuit; after I already had them sued in 1986 for $3,000,000; and had to sue them for the BBTI program; and I am currently helping another grievous mistreatment lawsuit and etc. -- as their "live gurus." 

And we do not think they have acted responsibly, especially in regards to protecting their vulnerable citizens, neither do the courts. So these live people should have listened to us in 1978 when we warned them about all this stuff right at the get go, and that would have saved the ISKCON society $100,000,000, but they did not listen, and still do not listen, so they are not acting as proper managers, never mind gurus. Anyway let me know who the live pure guru is, and we can analyze from there. Jayate. ys pd

DE: The principle is that Srila Prabhupada gave us the process, which we do not change. Then who will my guru be? That is for the disciple to test the Guru, and the Guru to test the disciple..... I have my spiritual master, and it is working. I am very fortunate to be a fool, but to be connected to the parampara through such an exalted devotee. 

PADA: So the GBC says the brand new bhaktas will select the acharyas of ISKCON, and since they are not versed in the siddhanta, they chose people like Hansadutta, Jayatirtha and others as the acharya. And the results were devastating for UK, and everywhere else actually. ISKCON lost thousands of people, the zone went bankrupted, and they lost Croome court and basically bankrupted the zone and etc. 

Later on Jayatirtha was terminated by his drug fueled follower and this was in all the press media all over the world. And according to followers of the GBC, my helping various lawsuits means they have lost $100,000,000 -- according to the followers of Jayapataka for example. Where does Srila Prabhupada say the brand new bhaktas will select the acharyas of ISKCON? 

The principle is, the seniors and leaders should get to decide what is an authorized acharya. But we are all kicked out, and then the selection process is handed off to the brand new people, and self evidently, they don't know how to select a proper acharya. Meanwhile, we do not worship the principle of guru, that is not an actual person. 

Srila Prabhupada never said we can offer bhogha to the principle of gurus. And then again, when I told Jayapataka we neophytes cannot take sins, he laughed, but as we see now, his taking karma is taking a severe toll on his existence. He is not qualified to act as a karma vacuum cleaner. Anyway, like I said, having no named guru is mayavada. And no, handing off the guru selecting process to brand new bhakta people off the street was never authorized or given by Srila Prabhupada. 

And the defects of making the brand new neophytes in charge of acharya selecting is self evident -- even to the outside observers, it has bankrupted the society morally, spiritually and financially. So yeah, they made the neophytes select the acharyas, and then it cost the society $100,000,000, devastated and alienated the second generation, and made most temples into ghost towns. Sorry, this process was never ordered. If mass banning, lawsuits, mass child mistreatment, mass bankrupting the society in many places worldwide, terminating dissenters, countless scandals, horrible media etc. is the only way that their system works, it is not a good system. ys pd


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PADA: Thanks MD, yes your gurus and messiahs are sometimes engaged in oral sex (sucking) with both men, women and evidently -- boys. Agreed! Sulochana said you guys have a guru "suck-session." Could not have explained it better than you guys myself!

DE: I think that was some time ago Prabhu..... ISKCON is maturing. In Gaudiya history, many gurus fell down. ISKCON is not the first in this regard.

PADA: ISKCON still has the same people we had sued in charge now? And they buried a known predator in a samadhi, and a porno swami in another samadhi. And they still have a well known predator as their main guru in India now, and I personally know his victim who is now a grown woman and she is disgusted this person is still a guru. 

And the people who want original books are still being banned. And the GBC still says acharyas are often predators, and so on and so forth. If anything, they are worse now since they are trying to jettison the best Child Protection Office leader they ever had, because he ruled against some of their worst case predators floating around the society. 

And they still say that acharyas are commonly deviants, which is against all the siddhanta and etc. ISKCON may not be the first to say that God's successors are commonly drunks, drug addicts, porno swamis and predators etc, but that does not make it correct. It is not being corrected, and all the GBC papers like their 1980 "The Mahajanas Have Difficulties" has never been explained or corrected etc. And our people are still being banned and sued, so how is that getting better? Meanwhile you have not given the name of any live guru? ys pd