JAS Q&A / Kavi Health Crisis / Haripada Writes 07 27

PADA: I got a question. Why are you guys promoting -- what your yourself have stated is -- the worship of "illicit sex with men, women and possibly children gurus." And how could people be "making the wrong choice of guru" when these are some of the choices you folks are giving them? 

And how could five years old children be making any choices at all on this issue? And why are thousands of devotees being banned, some beaten, some sued, and some assassinated, to make your plan work? And since you created horrible publicity and no small amount of lawsuits, how did your plan help ISKCON. 

I do agree you are pretty smart, you let Kadamba take over your "collecting karma from followers -- as a guru -- program," and then -- he died. And yep, some people said "he was suffering from taking karma." Another person wiped off the map by you guys! What gives you fokks the authority to load karma on neophytes -- and cause them to suffer, and die?

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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Prayers for Kavi Prabhu,

(Sharing for Kusha Devi from Hawaii)

Please pray for Kavi Prabhu!

Kavi ACBSP Prabhu has been as steady as a rock, doing so much service, living humbly in a small room in Srila Prabhupada’s garden, taking care of Srila Prabhupada in the early morning and evening on his Vyasasana and in his quarters for the past 15 years. He got up at 2:00 am, took bath with the garden hose, like an old school brahmacari. 

Wearing crisply ironed clothes, he would gently wake Srila Prabhupada by softly chanting Guruvastakam in his quarters and freshen his water. About half way through the temple Mangal Arotik, we would see him glide by, as if on a breeze, into the pujari room to do a full morning of pujari service. If we were really blessed he would lead mangal arotik. But that was not often. He was among the best of kirtaniyas and an amazing mrdanga player.

Daily he picked flowers to make beautiful arrangements for the Gurupuja Offering, to decorate Srila Prabhupada’s desk, and sweet offering trays for the Deities. He swept the entrance way to the temple and watered the plants. He readied the steam table for the restaurant and many other services. His nishta has been truly exemplary. Even when his arms weren’t working and his speech slurred he was still trying valiantly to do his seva. He was steady as a rock and also stubborn as a mule, but in seva both are needed.

At the time of his heart attack, he was in Srila Prabhupada’s servant’s quarters, which now serves as the temple's guest room. Hari Ballava Prabhu came running to me to say, Kavi had become unresponsive. I ran to Kavi’s side. When I entered the room he responded visibly with a movement of his head. I exclaimed, “Oh he is still with us,” while Krishna Shakti remained singing Hare Krishna.

I called 911 and started CPR till the paramedics arrived. I instructed Krishna Shakti to firmly tap the inside of the crook of his left arm while I firmly tapped his heart and gave him CPR till the paramedics arrived, it took about 15 minutes. Hari Ballava and Navadwip ran out front to receive them to bring them upstairs. The EMT technicians got Kavi’s heart beating.

He was rushed to Queens Hospital yesterday evening, 24th July at 6:00 pm by EMT, amongst all the temple devotees chanting. Ati Sundari and Shambu Hari were singing in the corridors.

I immediately posted something on the community what’s app group. 

Fortunately, Radhesa and Ananda Prabhus quickly rushed to Kavi’s side and kept the chanting going at the hospital until we arrived. They brought Kavi a Maha Garland. When we arrived they were asked to go to the waiting room. A group of young devotees stayed on the lawn chanting Hare Krishna into the night. 

Radhesa, Ananda, Atmarama, Rebeca, Dylan, Kalani Kapu, and Ciara were all celebrating Kavi’s existence. I am sorry if I forgot anyone. We were so grateful to see them all chanting as drove past them on the way home. They were also telling Kavi stories.

Ashram Maharaj called Bernie, Kavi’s sister, who lives a long distance away in Kapolei as he and I rummaged for Kavi’s ID. Bernie and I went to the hospital together bringing Lord Chaitanya’s maha garland that Srila Prabhupada had worn yesterday, the maha Tulasi offered to Lord Chaitanya's feet, Narasimha Oil, Jamuna Water, and Srila Prabhupada chanting Japa recorded on the iPhone. 

He has Srila Prabhupada chanting just next to his ear. Previously, on the 18th of July, Kavi filled out a living will (Advanced Directive) while sitting in Srila Prabhupada’s garden. I got his signing on Video. He was too frail to go to the notary. At that time he said he did not want heroic means to keep him alive. But when admitted to the hospital on the 20th, he was asked by the doctor, if they should restart his heart if it stopped and put him on a breathing tube, he replied twice, “Yes!”

Kavi Prabhu was admitted to Castle hospital on Thursday the 20th July and released with the diagnosis of Dysplasia, a constriction of the esophagus, with some fluid pooling in his tissues on the right side of his body below the waist. He has pneumonia, so they gave him a powerful liquid antibiotic, Augmentin. He could only get about 4 ml of liquid down at a time, if we patted him on the back like a baby.

With that in mind, as soon as Kavi became unresponsive at the temple, I called 911 and started doing CPR while Krishna Shakti chanted. We understand this may contribute to some controversy in regard to what each of us would want done. But Kavi is an interesting devotee. He wanted to live a full life and was determined that he WAS NOT DYING. He wanted to be resuscitated. But wanted the dignity to go if his quality of life was less than he what he was accustomed to.

Meanwhile at Queens, the technicians and emergency room doctor worked to keep the inflammation from damaging his brain by sedating him to keep him comfortable while bringing his body temperature down to 92 degrees. The doctor asked to put him into a study with regard to this therapy because they are not sure how long is the optimum time to keep a person cooled down. We refused for him to be part of that study, but expressed gratitude for taking the inflammation down.

Now we wait until the threat of brain damage passes. Then they will take him off the sedative to see his response. If he does not respond, they will do a scan of his brain to assess the damage. He sister Bernie and I will be returning to the hospital today. Kavi gave me medical power of attorney. Bernie is completely grateful that we are taking care. She is letting his brothers know about Kavi’s condition.
Please pray for the best for him. He was determined to live his brand of Krishna Consciousness and often firmly retorted, I am not dying, so with this in mind we are proceeding as well as we can according to his wishes. 

He is manifesting a sense of the achintya bheda bheda tattva philosophy by saying do not use heroic measures but please restart my heart.

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AF: Yesterday was a quite busy day in the Hawaii temple. What happened? Kavi prabhu, the old Prabhupada disciple who’s health went down hill over a short period of time -- had problems with his heart. What l have heard is -- his heart stopped so Kusha tried to resuscitate him. An ambulance then picked him up, but half an hour later it was not moving -- still parked in front of the temple with the EMT’s eating from their bento boxes in the front seat. 

They may have found out he has no medical coverage or ambulance insurance. Later, they finally took him to hospital where he was placed in an induced coma. They put him on artificial support ICU intensive, and they keep you like this for some time -- so that hospital can rack as much money from the government they can. And when the bill is sufficiently fatty -- they pull off circuit breaker and everything is over.  

He is a nice guy, but supposedly he has been a bit of a devotee lady's skirt chaser. Just to mention what I heard, when he lived in LA temple he had two children -- made with Sura’s and temple lawyer Armarendra’s wives -- made illegitimately. Not really a surprise, there has been a lot of this "wife swapping" going on, especially at places like LA and New Vrndavan. 

And many devotees either just ignore the issue ... or they are just blissfully not aware of this. I don't know if this is true, but nothing surprises me these days. It may account for a number of "ISKCON kids" who seem to have had no support or protection, they were just "someone's" kids with no real clear connection to their family unit, because the unit was broke down. 

In this kind of predicament, are you going to remember Krishna or Nityananda? Sounds like in this kind of situation -- only Gaura Nitai and especially Lord Nityananda can save you from the effects of Kaliyuga.

PADA: I wish Kavi well. God speed spirit soul! ys pd

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Personal experiences, by Haripada dasa

With love and confidence I share some personal experiences. We were in Calcutta, India in the Maha-abhiseka of Srila Prabhupada in its Centenary, then following in the footsteps of Sri Gauranga we went on a pilgrimage to South India, we arrived at Sri Rangam, the headquarters of Sri Laksmi sampradaya or spiritual school, and We had the good fortune to meet with the Acharya. I told him to please bless us all so that we have pure love and devotion to God or Krishna without mixtures, the Acharya who was the personified humility told us that I am not qualified to bless No one, but I can pray to Sri Ramanuja to bless you all. 

Then we learned that in this sampradaya there is always an Acharya who is the representative of Sri Ramanuja, but that all devotees understand and accept that we are all disciples of Sri Ramanuja, that is what Srila Prabhupada wants in his Iskcon, he will be the Acharya for the next 10,000 years and that there were good devotees to start in his name and we will all be disciples of Srila Prabhupada.

PADA: Correct. The Ramanuja and Madhva sampradayas have local Pandits, Purohits, Brahmanas etc. and even if they have an official title as some types of  officiating acharyas, it is understood they are acting as representatives of the acharya. In other words, they follow a type of ritvik system. The ritvik represents the acharya, and so does the priest in the Church representing Jesus. And so are all of us, same principle, acting as representatives.

In a Hare Krishna Facebook group we were talking about who is a true disciple of Srila Prabhupada, we conclude that he is the one who obeys Srila Prabhupada, because the connection with Srila Prabhupada comes through obedience.

In the CC, ML, 1, 218 and 220 it is said that in this movement there are people dressed as Vaisnavas but they are very envious people and we must ignore them. We are very sorry for the murder of Sulochana prabhu, but if this devotee had obeyed Srila Prabhupada and ignored those envious people, they would not have killed him. 

PADA: Sulochana's children were kidnapped and taken away from him at gun point. That means he has the authority to use whatever means possible to recover them. Especially because -- he was concerned his children could be abused. And then -- one of his own sons drowned in a pond there and died, so his concerns have been well founded. 

In addition, all sorts of child abuse was going on at New Vrndavana at the time. We are not supposed to "ignore" having the children of our religion worship illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs, and / or be abused and then -- we run off and ignore such deviations. This is helping enable and cause devotees to be mass banned, some beaten, some sued, many molested and some killed. 

And ignoring is the same as allowing -- and thus includes -- allowing industrial level child abuse, which means -- beatings and rapes of children. Our duty as human beings is to defend the helpless, never mind defend "Krishna's kids" who belong to Krishna direct. 

One thing I learned in Church is "one who gives no mercy, shall receive none." It is our job to protect the tykes and toddlers of this world, even as I did recently by helping a lost crying toddler find her parents in the superstore. That is my job as an adult, to assist and supervise the weak, helpless and especially children. 

And that applies to anyone's children, but applies a million percent more to Krishna's children. Yeah, we should ignore / allow ISKCON's children to be beaten and raped, and allow them to worship sex fiends and pedophiles as their messiahs, and not protest. And I heard that about 10,000 times already, oh PADA is bogus to protest -- industrial child abuse. And that is how all the beatings and rapes were enabled. They were largely -- ignored. 

And before there was only one Kirtanananda, but now there are thousands of them, it is better to try to establish relationships based In love and trust with devotees who serve Srila Prabhupada with love and thanks. 

PADA: Well yes, where is the love, if we are ignoring the cries of ten thousand devotees who are being banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed? And that is what some mundane media person asked me recently, if these children were being industrial level abused, where was there any evidence of love for them? 

How could children be treated like this in a loving atmosphere? 

OK instead of love they were being ignored. And that is self evident. So when we say we should ignore these problems, that means we are ignoring these children, and worse, considering that children are a problem. "Varna sankara" : unwanted progeny. We should not "ignore" envious people who are tossing ISKCON's children into a wood chipper, as Sulochana said. And by ignoring one Kirtanananda, we enabled and generated a thousand more. Swell!

I am very happy that I have a relationship with some devotees who have everything very clear and with a lot of spiritual experience, of course Srila Prabhupada always said that even if you do all right, there will always be annoying people who will criticize you, that cannot be avoided. True association with devotees means that they help each other obey Srila Prabhupada's instructions.

PADA: There is no instruction to ignore the problems of ISKCON, and ignore the problems experienced by the children and devotees of ISKCON. Some years ago one of my friends went to Prabhupada village, where chief enforcer of the pedophile messiah's club Adikarta and Rucira were at the gate, harrassing my friend for not worshiping their anal sex epidemic messiah's club. 

Anyone who is not worshiping their anal sex messiahs epidemic programs has to be driven out. That is worse than ignoring, that is "the cult enforced ritualistic worship of homosexuals and pedophiles as messiahs," and they are the enforcers. Ignoring is not as bad as enforcing, but when the Kauravas were attacked, all of them -- perps, enforcers and the ignoring silent majority -- all were punished equally. It is a crime to be a perp, an enforcer, or a silent observer. And Krishna levels the same punishment to all parties. At least Sulochana said, industrial level child abuse is an abomination, and he died because people like Haripada did not help his campaign. 

"We should not idly sit down simply depending on Krishna. Arjuna had to fight in the battlefield, but at the same time he heard Bhagavad-gita. Our motto shall be like that."

Letter to: Brahmananda, Hamburg

9 September, 1969

prabhupadanugas108@gmail.com

PADA: Oh no, another person stealing my Prabhupadanuga slogan, hee hee. 

Anyway, God speed spirit soul. Good luck. May Krishna bless your future path. 

ys pd

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