Friday, November 13, 2020

"The Fake News Pandemic" VS PADA

USA Government's "Spiritual Advisors" 

What could go wrong here pilgrims?

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PADA: Doctor compares USA virus spread to slaughterhouse. 

'It's a slaughter,' doctors say of new coronavirus wave

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-wave-152513366.html

Chankhya Pandit says: we have to contain fire, debt and disease, or it will destroy us. The USA is full of all sorts of animal slaughter programs, and now the people themselves are being slaughtered in a pandemic?  

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Trump's stunning abdication of leadership comes as pandemic worsens

Stephen Collinson Profile

Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN

(CNN) President Donald Trump had predicted in almost every campaign rally that the media would stop talking about the coronavirus pandemic the day after the election. But as it turns out, no one is ignoring the worsening tragedy more than the President himself.

[PADA: Some of our "conservative" devotee readers have been sending me links to various "news sites" saying that the whole coronavirus is "a hoax" and we should consider it as "fake news." OK but maybe the links they are sending me are the fake news?

And what about: our medical tech neighbors -- who work with actual patients on a daily basis; devotees we know personally who are nurses and medical techs -- who also work with virus cases daily; and the constant stream of actual "boots on the ground" details of Krishna devotees -- from all parts of the world -- catching the virus (and sometimes dying) -- every day? Not sure how all these sources can be called "a hoax." 

Never mind this is a story in all the news all over the world, not just from a few sites in the USA. I simply cannot believe all of these worldwide people would -- or even could -- unite together to conspire to make "fake news" on this issue -- at this global level. We also know devotees who have had the disease -- and they still suffer from serious debilitating side effects. Why would they make this up? 

Another story some devotees sent me is that "no one will be talking about the virus in the USA after the election." Sorry, that is -- fake news. Of course, no one is bothering to discuss the virus hardly anymore in places like China, S. Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Viet Nam etc. because they used modern tech tools to get their people masked up, make a huge testing process to isolate the carriers, and contact trace the carrier's friends to see if their associates had caught the virus. 

In sum they made efforts to contain the virus, and they have to a large extent. So there is no big discussion in those places where it is contained, they have moved past the issue. And as such, their economies are opening back up. Evidently disease and debt might go hand in hand, if we go back to Chanakhya Pandit's instructions.

And as such, where the virus has been contained their economies are opening up and the virus problem there is in fact no longer a big concern. The USA however has opted for the "herd immunity" solution, which means -- after maybe ten years -- 75% of the people will have had the virus -- and that makes the country immune. Supposedly! 

My medical tech friend says, the herd immunity process is actually not possible, since -- after someone gets a virus -- the same person can get reinfected maybe over and over. People can get the flu virus many times. So the herd immunity program is also fake news, at least evidently. The upshot is -- that China and others contained the virus and they are opening up their economies already. China even said they would not require mass vaccinations, due to their containment process already working well.




Meanwhile the ten year plan of herd immunity -- also makes the USA way behind these other countries economically. And we will be faced with a huge unemployment problem -- waiting for the alleged herd immunity to evolve. And in fact it may never evolve.  

Others -- among some of my "conservative" devotee friends -- are chastising me for being "a sheeple" for not joining them in their "herd immunity" "conservative" parade. Wait? I have to join their herd, or else I am a sheeple? Only when I am a member of their "herd immunity clan" am I no longer a sheeple. But they are in the herd of sheeple, according to themselves? They are the ones promoting the king of the herd immunity process -- and not me? 

Ok anyway, sign me up! And what does it take for me to sign up to be a member of their herd? Oh I forgot, I have to join them in their herd, by getting infected with the virus, to help them attain their elusive "herd immunity." Jeepers thanks, I have to get the virus -- to join their herd. And I am a sheeple -- for thinking that idea is a just little bit bat crap whacky? Everyone has to get infected for their program to work, seems diabolical really. 

Oh don't worry, only the vulnerable and old people die, hee hee --- well thanks a lot, very reassuring. What about all the doctors and nurses who are getting it? How will our hospitals function if our front line workers are getting sick and dying? Hmmm, not thought about that problem yet? 

My medical tech friend says "herd immunity" is actually 13th century technology, i.e. the mass of people get the plague or virus, most of them get sick, many of them die and -- eventually it "just disappears." Well yes eventually, after leaving behind many sick and dead, and a collapsed economy. 

So the countries that opted to use 2020 style tech have contained the virus, and it seems self evident that the 13th century herd immunity tech idea will -- at the very least -- take maybe ten years to clear itself out, as it did in the 13th century. 

So I am a fan of doing what works practically, and I am not a fan of having China move ahead -- in fact move "head and shoulders above" the USA economy by their ability to contain the virus, while the USA is convulsed in fits and starts of a very disorganized solution. And thus, more manufacturing capital investment (and jobs) are fleeing the USA to China because industrialists want a stable place to set up shop, and not a place that will be opening and closing with the very antique 13th century herd immunity tech. 

In short, if we were to "Make America Great Again," we would have to be WAY ahead of other countries using modern tech and not centuries behind. But the USA is one of the most "behind" countries in the world when it comes to containing the virus. And that will cause the economy of the USA to drain down, as it is already. And the jobs will flock to the countries where they have got organized and contained the virus, where there is a more stable platform to conduct enterprise. Of course that is also plain common sense.] 

Instead of taking charge as the country plunges deeper into the worst domestic crisis since World War II, Trump has disappeared inside the White House, saying nothing on camera since he baselessly claimed a week ago that the election was being stolen from him by President-elect Joe Biden.

[PADA: Another devotee keeps sending me messages about how 200 dead people voted in Pennsylvania. Fine, but we have 200 dead people going to the morgue every few hours with our herd immunity plan. It is amazing to me how some devotees are very concerned about some already dead folks allegedly casting a vote, but giving us not even a small honorable mention of the living and suffering -- who are dying now, with their herd immunity plan. We are very worried about the already dead, but not worried about the living who are suffering and dying now?

And the ISKCON GBC does basically the same thing, there is a huge crisis somewhere, and they are holed up in their far away remote office in maybe Russia or India, not replying to our e-mails. And now the GBC ilk are arguing who will have a bigger samadhi cemetary head stone. Hey guess what! 200 dead people voted, but that does nothing to fix the 200 dying at your doorstep now. And that does nothing to bring back the literally millions and millions of USA jobs that are fleeing to more stable enterprise platform countries right now, etc. Head in the sand, it won't work for a nation -- nor for a Church like ISKCON.]  

He's spending time with advisers, not strategizing on how to tame the out-of-control health emergency but seeking a path to win an election already declared lost. He's also found time to purge the top leadership of the Pentagon, and with few appointments on his public schedule appears to spend his days watching news coverage and tweeting misinformation about voter fraud.

[PADA: Correct, as people are dying left, right and center, and the hospitals, morgues and graveyards are filling up, we need to get to the bottom of how 200 dead people voted in Pennsylvania. There is no priority to fix the problems of the actually living people right now. 

OK about same as the GBC process, they have endless meetings about "women gurus," but what about all the banning, beating, molesting, suing, and assassinations problem? Not a priority evidently. How can we make America Great, if we are using antique herd immunity tech from the middle ages with a plague type problem? If we are not up to date, we will lose the economy race, and we already are. And unfortunately, the biggest winner appears to be China, who is making good progress moving ahead with their economy.] 


The sky is falling but don't worry -- after everyone gets it
you will be immune. Just keep on partying!

In essence, Trump, his family and his advisers are spending all their energy desperately trying to save a job -- the presidency -- that he appears to have no intention of doing in any meaningful sense. It's an especially staggering and surreal failure of leadership, given the Covid-19 crisis and the subsequent economic turmoil, even for a President who downplayed and lied about the true nature of the pandemic and repeatedly predicted the virus would just go away.

[PADA: Yes, they admit in private that the virus is deadly and airborne, while in public saying it is a hoax and it is not and important issue. Or worse, it is something "the radial left invented" -- as if a virus cares about left, right or center. Nope. It just attacks anyone where and when it can. 

So this misleads the public into a false sense that there is no urgency to contain the virus, so the public will just go out and mingle and -- spread the virus. And that is how the spread has been enabled, accelerated and -- at this stage -- seems to be out of control according to some expert doctors.

Of course, out of control spread is exactly what the herd immunity people wanted the whole time. Thus, millions of people will have to be infected, perhaps millions of the infected will be permanently disabled in some fashion from "long term effects," and perhaps millions will die. 

And that creates herd immunity. Nope. People who have a virus once can get it again, at least so say the experts. At the same time we have to ask, infecting millions of people with a virus, and having many of them get sick and die, and all this process taking years and maybe more than a decade -- is that -- the best plan you have? 

And when some doctors say, maybe we should follow the more advanced tech system used in China, S. Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Viet Nam etc. and try to contain the virus -- they are often scoffed as "fake news." Same things goes on in ISKCON, we report problems, and we are the fake news. OK never mind, then you will have a crisis and the longer you wait to fix it, the harder it will be to fix. 

At some point, it may no longer even be fixable. This could just be karma taking its toll, and the karma of not taking serious problems seriously -- is sometimes very severe. Same things are going on in ISKCON, ignore the problem, but it just gets worse.] 

Before the election, White House chief of staff Mark Meadows had signaled the way ahead by claiming on CNN's "State of the Union" that the pandemic could not be controlled. Now that the election is done, the Trump White House seems to care even less than it did before.

[PADA: More fake news. The virus can be contained, at least to a large extent. To say it cannot be contained is just another way of advertising their program of unleashing the spread for the illusory herd immunity idea, which could take ten years or more to infect 75% of the population in any event. It is a very, very, very long range solution. So they apparently don't care about it, because it is going exactly as their plan has been from the start -- have as many people as possible get infected and attain some form of herd immunity, and if that takes ten years or more, so be it.] 

Taiwan tackles coronavirus ...


White House coronavirus task force warns of accelerating community spread. 

A disease that has killed more than 240,000 Americans cares little for the President's bruised feelings after a defeat he has yet to recognize. Even since the election, it has exploded. 

On Wednesday, the US recorded more than 140,500 new infections and lost more than 1,100 more lives. More patients than ever before -- nearly 65,000 -- are in hospitals with the disease and the rate of increase is alarming doctors, who fear health services will be swamped within weeks. The situation is more serious than it was in the initial spikes of Covid-19 in the spring in the Northeast and the Sun Belt in the summer. The curve of infections is rising almost vertically and the virus is raging nationwide.

These alarming case numbers and the reality of epidemiology and exponential spread mean Trump will leave the nation in a morass of sickness and death when his term ends in January. And every day the disaster that Biden will inherit gets much worse, even if Pfizer's announcement this week that its prototype vaccine is 90% effective means there is at least some hope at the end of what is shaping up as a uniquely harrowing winter.

[PADA: Alarming for whom? These figures are not alarming at all if the goal is to have as many people as possible get infected for the herd immunity fix. So it is only alarming to the people who believe in the containment fix, because they thought all along the herd process is a deadly and dangerous bluff. 

The more that people get infected, the better it is, if the goal is to have the whole herd get infected. That is why these folks are not alarmed, the mass infection process is -- their goal.]  

Thanksgiving already looks a bust, with officials warning Americans not to gather in their homes with relatives for fear of sparking new outbreaks. The example of Canada, which celebrated its own Thanksgiving in October, suggests that the holiday will leave its own legacy of sickness and death in any case.

[PADA: Correct, by making the virus spread it will be difficult for any normal functions to resume, and that makes the economy sink more and more. That will make a huge mass of unemployed people, and already has. If that is the plan, it is a plan to bankrupt these millions and millions of people and perhaps make many of them homeless and destitute. OK -- does not sound like a good plan to me? Make America sick, dead and bankrupt again, and that is the plan?] 

Yet there are no warnings from the President -- who got the best health care that the US can offer when he fell sick with Covid-19 last month. He could use his megaphone to tell Americans to take care, wear masks and maintain social distancing to limit the spread of a pandemic that he minimized before the election.

[PADA: While saying we need to cut back the testing for the mass, the top leaders get tested themselves every day or so. The testing for the mass is a waste, it is only valuable when -- it is for them. Same thing in ISKCON, the top leaders get the top health care, the peons, not so much. The only good news is, many USA leaders found out they are among the people spreading the virus, so at least they were able to contain it a teeny amount by isolating. The leaders wanted to get it to set the example, buckle up, you are all going to get it -- to join our herd.]

Trump is not alone in his neglect. Vice President Mike Pence is the head of the White House coronavirus task force but has held no public briefings in weeks -- though he did huddle with the team this week. As a result, there are no directives from the West Wing on how Americans can mitigate the many thousands of deaths expected before Biden, who has made tackling the virus his priority, takes office.

[PADA: Yes, the pandemic task force is a bit of a joke when the leader of the whole thing says "testing is making more cases." That is like saying, do not take your kids to the dentist, the dentist will find cavities and increase the numbers of cavities cases. Ummm, nope, the cavities are already there, the testing just discovers what is already there. Testing for a disease does not spread the disease, ok more fake news.]


Still, the President's absence is causing grave concern among medical experts.
"We have a vacuum of leadership," Dr. Carlos del Rio, executive associate dean of Emory University School of Medicine, told CNN.

People are getting sick and dying.
FAKE NEWS!
As one doctor said "these people all have blood on their hands." 

Dr. Seema Yasmin, a former CDC disease detective who's a CNN medical analyst, told CNN's John King on Wednesday that the current "unsustainable" carnage -- 1,400 American daily fatalities -- is equivalent to three or four planeloads of people crashing and dying every day.

[PADA: Unsustainable carnage, ummm yep. The herd immunity process involves a certain percent of deaths on an ongoing basis.]

"We need what we have needed from the beginning: a robust pandemic response. I am so concerned we are not going to see that ... at least until Inauguration Day. In the meantime, things will continue to worsen," Yasmin said.

[PADA: Right, we are not going to see a robust response because herd immunity requires none.]

While Trump and Pence are silent on the pandemic, the coronavirus task force has continued to update states on the dire situation. "There is continued, accelerating community spread across the top half of the country, where temperatures have cooled and Americans have moved indoors," said reports dated November 8 and distributed to states Tuesday evening.

The task force, which warned of "significant deterioration in the Sunbelt" in last week's reports, said that deterioration has only continued in the past week, "leading to the most diffuse spread experienced to date."

[PADA: Most diffuse spread, OK the herd plan is working good, let us infect everyone eventually.]

The reports told states that "proactive testing" must be part of mitigation efforts. That sentence was stunning in itself, since the kind of mass testing and tracing operation that was needed at the start of the pandemic still has not been put into action by the White House many months later.

[PADA: Yes, the mitigation efforts have been weak or non-existing.]

CNN's Betsy Klein and Jeff Zeleny contributed to this report.

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In the wake of a superspreader motorcycle rally and other nearly maskless mass gatherings such as a Buffalo roundup, South Dakota has itself become a super spreader. And at a press conference this week, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz held South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem partly responsible for a COVID-19 surge in his state that is now forcing him to impose new restrictions. He pointedly cited this summer’s Sturgis motorcycle rally.

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PADA: They want basically everyone in USA to be infected, while China, Taiwan, Singapore etc. have reduced infections to nearly less than 100 per day, or less. So yes, herd immunity plan places China WAY ahead of us economically for maybe the next 10 years, and the so-called conservatives wanted that policy and the leader of that policy. Well fine, you get what you deserve if that is the case. 

Oh BTW yea, I know your guys leader has a plan, get everyone vaccinated! Well that simply means they inject everyone with a piece of the virus, it is all about making sure everyone in the herd has had the virus, or is injected with it. That sounds like an illuminati plan if there ever was one pilgrims, at least to us ignorant sheeple who are not marching along with your herd. Hee hee! 

Meanwhile China says they will not need the mass vaccination, they have it contained. You guys seem to forget -- vaccinations can produce all sorts of not so good side effects, and therefore it is not a good plan either. Oh boo hoo, us sheeple are not in lock step with the herd!

Notice: Srila Prabhupada said communism wins eventually, and this herd program, allowing millions to get sick and maybe die, is aiding and abetting the economy of the communists BIG TIME.

Srila Prabhupada also said unemployed people would create dangerous situations in the cities, and this herd immunity plan is making millions and millions of unemployed. Yep, he is right on. So if you are one of the herd, don't bother to send me links to your stuff. I'd rather be a sheeple and not join your parade. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

9 comments:

  1. "We shall be unaffected by all that will happen."
    "I can understand your concern about the deterioration of the civilization. Yes, the city will be more dangerous place as Kali-yuga advances. It will be very deteriorating. The modern civilization is so corrupt and as sinful activities are more and more committed, the people will be forced to face more troubles, by nature's order. Our business, however, is simply to take shelter of the Hare Krsna Maha Mantra and pray to the Holy Name to give us protection. We shall be unaffected by all that will happen. Krsna will provide us with working facilities. Be assured of this, that the devotees will be protected by the Holy Name. Others will have to suffer in the days that are coming."
    (Srila Prabhupada Letter to Kurusrestha, July 23, 1973)

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  2. PADA: Sorry JDD, no I am not saying I am a fan of modern tech per se, or that I love the world's industrialized economy. Rather the USA has already lost most of its manufacturing base for its income source -- to China. And if it loses more and more income base to China, that is going to help enable and empower the communists, and bankrupt the capitalists.

    I would rather see the capitalists keep the main world economy than the communists. And at the same time, if the communists can contain the virus problem and get their economy back up, and we do not, they win by default. And they already are winning by default. Srila Prabhupada was concerned the communists would win, and make his mission very difficult. It is very hard to spread religion under the communists.

    The USA has been seeing the World's worse case numbers of the virus for a simple reason -- because the leaders here have not taken this problem seriously. Even Thailand has done a super better job than here, because they used more intelligent management of the problem. USA said -- there is no problem, it is a hoax, and we put our population at risk, and basically to sleep on the problem, with catastrophic results -- self evidently. In Thailand they got the population involved by having the leaders advise and encourage the population to take proper measures. So we ended up not even keeping up with much of the so-called third world, because our management has been asleep at the switch.

    And at the same time, I am concerned that many devotees are having all sorts of problems keeping up an income with all the topsy turvy problems created by the mis-managing of the virus crisis, never mind they can get sick and die. And some of them already got sick and some died, and some of the surviving devotees are having long range debilitation and they are not recovering well. So on all fronts we should have contained this virus, and protected the citizens.

    If a company knows it is manufacturing a dangerous baby seat, it has a duty to inform people so lives can be saved. If the leaders know the virus is deadly, then they knowingly call it a hoax, all sorts of deaths will occur, so it is at the very least -- totally irresponsible. And at the same time saying it is a hoax encourages mingling and spreading it all the more, so it is like pouring gasoline on the problem. So I agree, industrial society is not ideal, at the same time if we allow the West to collapse economically, that will make communism the main economy leaders of the world, which would really be a bad idea in my opinion, and Srila Prabhupada's opinion. Sorry I was not clear on this already. ys pd

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  3. USA TODAY The Dakotas are 'as bad as it gets anywhere in the world' for COVID-19 Joel Shannon, USA TODAY

    Sat, November 14, 2020, 6:27 AM PST

    South Dakota welcomed hundreds of thousands of visitors to a massive motorcycle rally this summer, declined to cancel the state fair and still doesn't require masks. Now its hospitals are filling up and the state's current COVID-19 death rate is among the worst in the world.

    The situation is similarly dire in North Dakota, with the state's governor recently moving to allow health care workers who have tested positive for COVID-19 to continue working if they don't show symptoms. It's a controversial policy recommended by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a crisis situation where hospitals are short-staffed.

    And now — after months of resisting a statewide mask mandate — North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum changed course late Friday, ordering masks to be worn statewide and imposing several business restrictions.

    [PADA: That is all the more fake news -- on top of fake news -- folks! Nothing to see here! Same program as ISKCON, we at PADA are reporting often terrible things, and it is all fake news. Well fine, then we get overwhelmed with the problems, and we have no one to blame but ourselves. Now they are ordering virus "testing positive" nurses back to work. That means it is getting more and more critical and out of control.

    So all of the denial catches up eventually, whether we are a drunk who denies our problem, or ISKCON who denies its problems, or an entire country. And how did you guess, this continues to shut down the economy, as the China economy is on record for big growth. All this is doing is -- aiding the communists and their economy. Told ya! ys pd]

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  4. PADA: Well prabhu even Thailand has had few virus cases and deaths. We need to make America -- Thailand -- again, and start taking this virus problem with a little bit of seriousness at the government levels -- as they have in Thailand. It is amazing to me that even a so-called third world place like Thailand has a much more functioning government leadership than we do at present.

    Of course there are a lot of devotees who are attracted to dysfunctioning management, all we have to do is look at ISKCON and that becomes clear right away. And these devotees were always telling me my complaints were "fake news." Well ok, good luck with that process.

    ys pd

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  5. Jayamadhava Das: Joe Biden was in his basement? NO he was actually holding rallies in cemeteries.

    PADA: OK. Meanwhile, the White house's "herd immunity" program is placing several hundred formerly living people in the actual morgue and cemetery -- every few hours. My friend who is a nurse agrees with PADA, while manufacturing companies are fleeing the USA to make things where the virus has been contained in China, the USA has mostly a booming business in virus hospitals, morgues and cemeteries. My nurse friend knows, she works with their herd immunity mess every day .. It is amazing to me that there are so many devotees who are worried about the problems with the USA's voting system being up to date or not, but they never say much anything to PADA about all the suffering and dying going on under the current herd scheme -- which they self evidently endorse. Same type things happened in ISKCON, while the pile of currently suffering and dead has been increasing, we are worried about voting in women as gurus etc. We should be more worried about helping the currently living than worrying about a few hundred mistaken ballots, which does nothing to save the currently living, either in ISKCON or regular society. ys pd

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  6. PADA: A nurse from South Dakota said that a number of her patients are dying while thinking, they do not really have the virus. Her hapless patients still think it is a all "a fake news story hoax" at the same time -- they are at death's door.

    They even refuse to call relatives to say good bye thinking -- they will get well soon, there is no virus, it is not real. Of course they never get well, they die, still thinking they are only mildly sick from something else.

    This is exactly how manipulating the message in ISKCON created a false sense -- that while PADA is reporting banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and assassinations, it is all fake news. Nothing to see here! That is why Srila Prabhupada says -- anyone can create an artificial program -- by false propaganda -- but only temporarily. However, that false program cannot last for long because eventually -- it is discovered that this was false -- the whole time.
    So gradually the USA citizens are realizing, hey the virus is not fake news, it is a real issue. This nurse is amazed at how fake propaganda can fool at least some people so badly, they cannot even realize they are actually dying of an actual ailment. Of course saying it is a hoax makes people act in unsafe manner and it causes them to catch the virus in the first place. So the plan to have everyone get "herd" infected by saying it is a hoax -- only lasts for some time, then eventually more people realize, hey this is no hoax! Just like people are waking up and saying, hey PADA is not a hoax! Very similar events here. Meanwhile, manufacturing investment is moving to China -- as the more stable place to invest, because they know the virus is not a hoax over there and they seriously stomp on cases and reign the problem in. People are dying, and thinking they are dying of a hoax, that is the power of fake news. ys pd

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  7. PADA: Thanks prabhu, I believe for one -- nurses, and my three neighbors are nurses and I know a number of devotees who are also nurses. And they say the same thing to me, many people are thinking this virus is not a problem, even when they are dying from it. They tell me they do not usually even need the tests, they can see from the x-ray that there is a virus infection before the tests results come back even. Many devotees were laughing and joking in Vrndavana that the virus is a hoax, and a number of them later got sick and some died. It is not a hoax. And to say this is a hoax is making a dangerous situation for everyone, including devotees. And that is why a number of devotees are getting it, they think it is fake news just like others -- who then get it. Of course if people want to say it is a hoax, even when they are dying from it, that is proof the fell for the fake news that is is a hoax. My nurse friends are on the front lines, they are not on a TV show. ys pd

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  8. PADA: Yes prabhu, the reason that so many devotees are getting covid is self explanatory, most think it is a hoax just like they thought everything else was a hoax. Yes, my nurse friends are working in hospitals now, and the devotee nurses are working in hospitals now. And one of these devotee nurses in the midwest says she is working overtime all the time because they are short on staff. Yes, that is her current situation now. My devotee friends in New Mexico said its been a disaster zone there, and so on and so on. Yes, I have lots of live contacts all over the place. Right now the Sivarama farm has many sick devotees, so my sources include devotee updates. And the government investigated Bhaktivedanta Manor in UK, and the government investigated ISKCON in India, and so on and so on, they are not taking this serious enough as a group. ys pd

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  9. PADA: OK but JD, but China is not locked down at present? They contained the virus and are up and running. And their exports are up 10 percent while the USA is struggling to keep from going further down, because unemployment in the USA has exploded and is not getting much better anytime soon.

    No I am not in favor of vaccines. That would be the White House, always talking about their vaccine plan. The devotees who wanted four more years of the current plan clearly wanted everyone to get the vaccine, because that is the plan of their leadership. China says they do not need the vaccine because they contained the virus, so it is mainly the USA and the current leaders who really wanted this vaccine plan. They kept promising they would have it maybe in August, September, then November, they wanted to rush this through which is not a good idea with mass vaccines.

    It may be that the USA is now stuck with the vaccine plan, because they let the virus loose so badly there may be no easy way to contain it at this stage. I think the China plan is the better plan, contain the virus and not use mass vaccines. The same devotees who are against vaccines are in favor if the leaders pushing the whole vaccine agenda. As usual, they do not think out their idea, it is a lot of fanaticism. Containment does not need vaccines, that always has been the better plan. The USA fumbled the ball on doing that, big time. ys pd

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