Jean Paul Sartre
Swarupa Hebel: "Who is self effulgent - -- he will come out. In the meantime manage nicely, read my books and follow my instructions." Would have been real simple to do. And as for solving the "problem" of initiating new people -- there never was a problem. It was concocted. ... the big non-issue that caused such a flurry of speculation. ISKCON was never meant to be an assembly line for "initiating new people." Reel 'em in ... give 'em a name and wrap three strands around their necks.
We were 7,000 strong in '77. No immediate need for new people being initiated nor new gurus to initiate them. What's the rush anyway? Prabhupada didn't take initiation for over a decade after his initial meeting with his guru maharaja. Finding a spiritual master and becoming initiated is a transcendental process and happens by the mercy of the Lord in the heart. It is an affair of the heart -- not an ecclesiastic process of appointment nor election.
As for continuation of Prabhupada giving diksa via ritvik reps after his disappearance ---- we can argue whether that's what he wanted til the cows come home. Most of us agree about what's wrong but therein lies the division about what's right. And then there are others who say the solution is to jump ship and head on over to another institution which is also by now devoid of its charismatic leader and going through the same problems of so-called succession.
Will ISKCON get back on track anytime soon? I seriously doubt it. But I have faith that everything happens for a reason and Krishna is in control of the whole shooting match. Let's each try to work an honest program, quit slamming one another and hope for the best. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Will ISKCON get back on track anytime soon? I seriously doubt it. But I have faith that everything happens for a reason and Krishna is in control of the whole shooting match. Let's each try to work an honest program, quit slamming one another and hope for the best. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
[PADA: Correct, most people in 1978 were waiting to be initiated by Srila Prabhupada, and they expected to be initiated as Srila Prabhupada's disciples even after his physical departure. However, in March of 1978 these potential disciples were told that Srila Prabhupada is NOT going to be their diksha guru, that they will now have to "take diksha initiation from the 11 appointed GBC gurus."
Many of my God brothers -- like Swarupa Hebel -- now say that we can "argue about all this until the cows come home," as if there is no guru tattva conclusion, sort of like the Jean Paul Sartre philosophy -- that there is no actual conclusion to philosophical debates, because there is no ultimate truth (like Krishna). In other words, whether or not Srila Prabhupada is the current diksha guru for ISKCON is something we have to "argue about," because they do not accept that he is.
And Swarupa Hebel and his GBC associates are now saying we need to simply "wait (forever?) for the next acharya to appear," which is not a conclusion either, its simply an impersonal stalling technique. Yes, we just have to "wait" for another acharya to appear, and maybe we will have to wait forever.
Where were we ever ordered to "wait" for ten years, ten centuries, ten kalpas or whatever, for the next acharya? They are making this up. Their idea is simply -- "waiting for nobody to appear." This concept was made famous by the 1940s - 1950s existentialists and their "theatre of the absurd," for example the 1953 Samuel Beckett play "waiting for Godot," where two people are "waiting for Godot" -- who never appears. And we are waiting for this alleged future acharya to appear, but he does not seem to be appearing, exactly like the existentialist's Godot play. How did Sartre become the guru of these people?
Similarly, Swarupa Hebel / the GBC / Ajit Krishna / Torben Nielsen / Kailash Chandra / Rocana / Bhakta das / Gaudiya Matha etc. they all say that we have to stop everything and "wait" for their next messiah, who may never come, and who was not predicted to appear by Srila Prabhupada -- or anyone else? "Waiting for Godot," is described by Wikipedia as -- the theatre of the absurd, and that is correct, waiting for a non-existing person is absurd.
We just have to "wait" and hope this future messiah appears, although he may not appear soon, or ever. "Waiting for Godot," these folks are apparently under the influence of these 1940s - 1950s existentialists / mayavadas / atheists, who basically preached that life is absurd, pointless, meaningless etc., and that we are living for no actual reason. Worse, we are simply waiting in vain for some non-existing / unnamed / alleged person to come and help us, as happened in the Godot play.
Sartre himself, in a lecture delivered in 1945, described existentialism as "the attempt to draw all the consequences from a position of consistent atheism." And similarly, many of our God brothers say that acharyas like Srila Prabhupada are dead and gone, they even say acharyas are posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem, and thus we need to worship some alleged living person (who cannot be identified) and "wait for Godot" to appear.
Ooops! And"waiting" has simply empowered and enabled the current bogus guru program, because while everyone else is waiting, these pirate gurus are pilfering ISKCON's loot and cashing in.
"Waiting" is also atheism, at least in our opinion. Think about it, many of these same God brothers complain we are "trying to make Srila Prabhupada into another Jesus." Well, yes, that is correct, we cannot have a religion without a "pure link to Krishna." If Krishna has ALREADY provided that pure link, and that link is Srila Prabhupada, and we deny or ignore Krishna's provided link, and say we need to "wait" for ANOTHER link, that is denial of His mercy, and existence. Atheism. And this also drives ISKCON into a big hole, waiting for nobody while the house burns down.
How can we run a religion where the basis is, we have to tell people they should join us in "waiting for Godot" and / or waiting for their guru to appear? Of course, we cannot even run a mundane business like that either ... "We have empty shelves, no problem, you'll have to sit here and wait until we get products," ok and the store goes bankrupt in the meantime. No one will even bother going to such a store.
This "Waiting for Godot" play was inspired by John Paul Sartre's writings, and is sometimes called "the theatre of the absurd" -- because it is. Yet, "waiting for some unnamed theoretical person who never appears" is the basis of many of the GBC's / Gaudiya Matha's / Swarupa Hebel's idea, we'll all have to sit and wait for Godot, and become disciples of Jean Paul Sartre. The theatre of the absurd. Srila Prabhupada never said we had to put everything on hold and start "waiting for Godot"? This is existentialist / mayavada / atheism.
Most of the ISKCON 1978 people were not happy to find out that they were now going to be diverted away from Srila Prabhupada to "take initiation from the 11." Thus the "affair of the heart" linkage was broken, their hearts were already settled on having the exclusive worship of Srila Prabhupada, but now they were coerced by a bogus ecclesiastical process to worship someone else.
Many of my God brothers -- like Swarupa Hebel -- now say that we can "argue about all this until the cows come home," as if there is no guru tattva conclusion, sort of like the Jean Paul Sartre philosophy -- that there is no actual conclusion to philosophical debates, because there is no ultimate truth (like Krishna). In other words, whether or not Srila Prabhupada is the current diksha guru for ISKCON is something we have to "argue about," because they do not accept that he is.
And Swarupa Hebel and his GBC associates are now saying we need to simply "wait (forever?) for the next acharya to appear," which is not a conclusion either, its simply an impersonal stalling technique. Yes, we just have to "wait" for another acharya to appear, and maybe we will have to wait forever.
Where were we ever ordered to "wait" for ten years, ten centuries, ten kalpas or whatever, for the next acharya? They are making this up. Their idea is simply -- "waiting for nobody to appear." This concept was made famous by the 1940s - 1950s existentialists and their "theatre of the absurd," for example the 1953 Samuel Beckett play "waiting for Godot," where two people are "waiting for Godot" -- who never appears. And we are waiting for this alleged future acharya to appear, but he does not seem to be appearing, exactly like the existentialist's Godot play. How did Sartre become the guru of these people?
Similarly, Swarupa Hebel / the GBC / Ajit Krishna / Torben Nielsen / Kailash Chandra / Rocana / Bhakta das / Gaudiya Matha etc. they all say that we have to stop everything and "wait" for their next messiah, who may never come, and who was not predicted to appear by Srila Prabhupada -- or anyone else? "Waiting for Godot," is described by Wikipedia as -- the theatre of the absurd, and that is correct, waiting for a non-existing person is absurd.
We just have to "wait" and hope this future messiah appears, although he may not appear soon, or ever. "Waiting for Godot," these folks are apparently under the influence of these 1940s - 1950s existentialists / mayavadas / atheists, who basically preached that life is absurd, pointless, meaningless etc., and that we are living for no actual reason. Worse, we are simply waiting in vain for some non-existing / unnamed / alleged person to come and help us, as happened in the Godot play.
Sartre himself, in a lecture delivered in 1945, described existentialism as "the attempt to draw all the consequences from a position of consistent atheism." And similarly, many of our God brothers say that acharyas like Srila Prabhupada are dead and gone, they even say acharyas are posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem, and thus we need to worship some alleged living person (who cannot be identified) and "wait for Godot" to appear.
Ooops! And"waiting" has simply empowered and enabled the current bogus guru program, because while everyone else is waiting, these pirate gurus are pilfering ISKCON's loot and cashing in.
"Waiting" is also atheism, at least in our opinion. Think about it, many of these same God brothers complain we are "trying to make Srila Prabhupada into another Jesus." Well, yes, that is correct, we cannot have a religion without a "pure link to Krishna." If Krishna has ALREADY provided that pure link, and that link is Srila Prabhupada, and we deny or ignore Krishna's provided link, and say we need to "wait" for ANOTHER link, that is denial of His mercy, and existence. Atheism. And this also drives ISKCON into a big hole, waiting for nobody while the house burns down.
How can we run a religion where the basis is, we have to tell people they should join us in "waiting for Godot" and / or waiting for their guru to appear? Of course, we cannot even run a mundane business like that either ... "We have empty shelves, no problem, you'll have to sit here and wait until we get products," ok and the store goes bankrupt in the meantime. No one will even bother going to such a store.
This "Waiting for Godot" play was inspired by John Paul Sartre's writings, and is sometimes called "the theatre of the absurd" -- because it is. Yet, "waiting for some unnamed theoretical person who never appears" is the basis of many of the GBC's / Gaudiya Matha's / Swarupa Hebel's idea, we'll all have to sit and wait for Godot, and become disciples of Jean Paul Sartre. The theatre of the absurd. Srila Prabhupada never said we had to put everything on hold and start "waiting for Godot"? This is existentialist / mayavada / atheism.
Most of the ISKCON 1978 people were not happy to find out that they were now going to be diverted away from Srila Prabhupada to "take initiation from the 11." Thus the "affair of the heart" linkage was broken, their hearts were already settled on having the exclusive worship of Srila Prabhupada, but now they were coerced by a bogus ecclesiastical process to worship someone else.
Unfortunately, the GBC and their "Gaudiya Matha" advisors like Sridhara Maharaja, BP Puri Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja -- and others like Gopal Krishna swami, Gaura Govinda Maharaja etc., they all started supporting this deviant idea -- that the 11 GBC's are going to be ISKCON's diksha gurus -- effectively replacing Srila Prabhupada as the diksha guru.
And these dubious folks are also the same people who later on assisted the GBC's bogus ecclesiastical "guru voting" program. And now that its a proven fact that their false messiahs keep falling down, they are suddenly saying -- "Never mind, you'll just have to wait for one to appear." Waiting for Godot? That simply means we caught them cheating with their first wave of false gurus, and so now out of frustration they are saying, "Never mind, we'll find another wave of gurus for you eventually, just wait." Post dated check siddhanta.
And these dubious folks are also the same people who later on assisted the GBC's bogus ecclesiastical "guru voting" program. And now that its a proven fact that their false messiahs keep falling down, they are suddenly saying -- "Never mind, you'll just have to wait for one to appear." Waiting for Godot? That simply means we caught them cheating with their first wave of false gurus, and so now out of frustration they are saying, "Never mind, we'll find another wave of gurus for you eventually, just wait." Post dated check siddhanta.
And many more ISKCON people like Dheera Krishna swami, Tripurari Swami, Panchadravida swami, and a lot of the Santa Cruzers like Pusta Krishna ex-swami, Sruta Srava das etc., they all went over to take shelter of Sridhara and Narayan Maharajas as well, and / or they supported others who have been promoting these bogus ecclesiastical guru ideas.
Now a lot of them have started preaching their "waiting for Godot" guru idea as well, since we caught them cheating us with their first wave of fools as their messiahs. Their first magic act burnt ISKCON to the ground, so now they are saying, no problem, "wait" for our next act! Oh swell, should we put on our fireproof suits first?
Of course, Swarupa's pals like Bhakta das have been among the most vociferous advocates of this Gaudiya Matha style "living guru / ecclesiastical guru" group, and thus now many of them are promoting the "waiting for Godot" guru idea, because we exposed their first wave of cheating gurus. Yep, even the Bhakta das sector has recently had to start saying we need to wait for their unnamed Godot guru as well.
Notice!, ISKCON goes down the tubes while they sit around and wait for their non-existing Godot messiah to make his grand entrance. This is a little like "waiting" for the time we are going to win the lottery, its called gambling and speculation.
So that is the first problem with Jean Paul Sartre disciples like Swarupa Hebel, they seem to think people have to "wait for (Godot) 10 years or more to find their guru." That means -- he does not accept that Srila Prabhupada is the guru for ISKCON's people now? Or else why does he tell people they need to "wait for 10 years" to find their guru?
Its amazing that even the karmi media calls their "waiting for Godot" idea "the theatre of the absurd." And while these folks have been sitting on their thumbs "waiting" around for their invisible Godot messiah to appear, meanwhile actual ISKCON devotees are being sued, banned, beaten, and maybe assassinated; And temples are being mortgaged, made into ghost towns, closed, sold, removed etc. So this "waiting" program is designed to keep the status quo of allowing ISKCON to be exploited further, and drained to the bone.
They seem to think there is some hidden, mystery, unknown person out there, who is going to suddenly emerge as their savior and guru instead of Srila Prabhupada. And while they are eternally "waiting" for Swarupa's next messiah, Srila Prabhupada is not the current messiah. Worse, Swarupa's pal Bhakta das even says our idea that Srila Prabhupada is the current acharya is a "toxic cancer tumor."
Oddly, as soon as Bhakta das announced that PADA's "worship of Srila Prabhupada as the current acharya program" is -- a "toxic cancer tumor" idea, HKC Jaipur started making audio tapes with him to broadcast Bhakta das as their new shiksha guru and spokesman.
Great, worship of Srila Prabhupada is a toxic cancer tumor, and these people claim to be his best followers? As one devotee said, these people are the Monsanto of ISKCON, they think worship of the pure devotee is poison. Swarupa Hebel and Bhakta das are often seen as good buddies and mutual pals, why is Swarupa Hebel with the "Srila Prabhupada's worship is the toxic cancer tumor disease" group? And now, for their second act, after giving us their illicit sex criminals as our messiahs, we have to "wait" for their next alleged guru, meanwhile, worship of the actual current guru is toxic poison?
Swarupa says we can "argue about this till the cows come home," but his pals have already ended the conversation, they have reached a conclusion, they say worship of the acharya is a cancer tumor. And they have said that all along. Yep, worship of the pure devotee is a cancerous tumor, and then these fools wonder why ISKCON is burnt toast? At least now they are saying, well ok lets wait, maybe we will eventually pull an actual rabbit out of our hats.
Yet, they are the ones using flame throwers to burn ISKCON to ashes with their false gurus, and now their waiting for Godot gurus. What kind of religion declares that worship of their acharya is a cancerous tumor disease? And why would some GBC / Gaudiya Matha / HKC Jaipur folks promote these fools as their spokesmen, if they are actually dedicated to Srila Prabhupada? And why has Swarupa hitched his donkey to this toxic wagon?
And meanwhile this mysterious / unknown / waiting for Godot / future guru has yet to be found and discovered since 1977. Folks like Gaura Govinda Maharaja have been saying the same thing, Srila Prabhupada cannot be your guru now, so you have to "cry to Krishna to send you a guru." Post dated check.
OK except, what if Krishna already gave you Srila Prabhupada as your guru and these "guru search party programs" are all an illusion and bogus waste of time? And our friends like Tamohara das also think Gaura Govinda Maharaja is bona fide -- because GGM is "voted in as acharya" at the recoronation of a known sexual predator "acharya." Tamohara thinks being voted in as acharya along with known sexual predators is bona fide, when even the village drunk knows this is an aparadha. Nope, being voted in as guru is bogus for starters, never mind being voted in with known deviants.
Suppose you went to a Christian church and told them Jesus is not going to be their guru, they have to "wait for ten years" to find their guru? They would think you were an atheist, a fool, a person who has no clue what the eternal guru is, or really, that you were a blasphemer for denying Jesus. Where did Srila Prabhupada say we need to stop everything, and wait for some "other" person and / or the next messiah? Srila Prabhupada ordered this "waiting for Godot" absurdist guru play program?
He never said anything like that. He said keep things going the way they are and DO NOT CHANGE anything. The whole idea that we have to "wait" for ten years, or a hundred years, or five hundred thousand years, or whatever it is, this is all speculation, none of this "waiting for the next guru" was ever mentioned by Srila Prabhupada.
Nor did he say we should stop making initiated disciples, because he wanted the deity programs, cooking programs and all other programs to continue ongoing, and he said initiated people are required to do these jobs. Under the GBC / Gaudiya Matha / Swarupa program, ISKCON is going to stop making more initiated brahmanas -- for ten years -- or maybe more years -- and then the deity programs will be short handed, as has happened.
Srila Prabhupada never said that the deity cooking / pooja / worship program's personnel should be stopped until -- another guru appears? This is not what he said, ever! These fools never explain why they want to dry up the supply of deity worship personnel and have these programs put on hold indefinitely?
So this idea, that people need to wait to find their guru, means Swarupa Hebel and co. have no idea who is the guru of ISKCON. We do not have to "wait" to find the guru of ISKCON, its Srila Prabhupada, and we should accept him as our guru now and move on from there. Swarupa Hebel says no, we should do nothing until the cows come home, that means he wants no one to be the guru of ISKCON for ten years, and maybe forever.
Otherwise, we have already been "waiting" in the material ocean, and waiting here for 10 trillion years to find a guru, why do we need to wait another ten trillion? What are we waiting for? Another ten million lifetimes in illusion?
This whole "waiting for the guru" program is like our local Oakland church people who were thinking Jesus is going to return soon, so they were all sitting on a hill waiting for Jesus to come back. He did not come back, because this whole "waiting for Jesus or another Vaishnava guru to appear" was never predicted by Srila Prabhupada, he never ordered or wanted such foolish speculation.
To sum! Your new "waiting for Godot" guru program is actually good news, it means we have severely cramped your first program -- of promoting illicit sex as your messiahs. We have stumped these bogus messiah cheer leaders program supporters to the point that now they have to place their program on hold and say, ok wait a minute, we will produce one messiah -- later on -- just wait! Well great, after your first guru magic show program produced so many deadly toxic results, we are not surprised you folks are now saying, ok we will produce someone bona fide EVENTUALLY. OK, more cheating, that's all. The good news is most people are onto you folks by now ...
Lets face it, these people were cheated by the 11 into thinking there has to be a living person and we can toss out Srila Prabhupada, and now they are accepting the new Sartre cheating program that we have to wait for Godot. These people are surrendered to the GBC's agenda. Sorry! We do not have to wait for the cows to come home, we have a guru now who will take anyone to Krishna now if they surrender to him now.
ys pd]
Now a lot of them have started preaching their "waiting for Godot" guru idea as well, since we caught them cheating us with their first wave of fools as their messiahs. Their first magic act burnt ISKCON to the ground, so now they are saying, no problem, "wait" for our next act! Oh swell, should we put on our fireproof suits first?
Of course, Swarupa's pals like Bhakta das have been among the most vociferous advocates of this Gaudiya Matha style "living guru / ecclesiastical guru" group, and thus now many of them are promoting the "waiting for Godot" guru idea, because we exposed their first wave of cheating gurus. Yep, even the Bhakta das sector has recently had to start saying we need to wait for their unnamed Godot guru as well.
Notice!, ISKCON goes down the tubes while they sit around and wait for their non-existing Godot messiah to make his grand entrance. This is a little like "waiting" for the time we are going to win the lottery, its called gambling and speculation.
So that is the first problem with Jean Paul Sartre disciples like Swarupa Hebel, they seem to think people have to "wait for (Godot) 10 years or more to find their guru." That means -- he does not accept that Srila Prabhupada is the guru for ISKCON's people now? Or else why does he tell people they need to "wait for 10 years" to find their guru?
Its amazing that even the karmi media calls their "waiting for Godot" idea "the theatre of the absurd." And while these folks have been sitting on their thumbs "waiting" around for their invisible Godot messiah to appear, meanwhile actual ISKCON devotees are being sued, banned, beaten, and maybe assassinated; And temples are being mortgaged, made into ghost towns, closed, sold, removed etc. So this "waiting" program is designed to keep the status quo of allowing ISKCON to be exploited further, and drained to the bone.
They seem to think there is some hidden, mystery, unknown person out there, who is going to suddenly emerge as their savior and guru instead of Srila Prabhupada. And while they are eternally "waiting" for Swarupa's next messiah, Srila Prabhupada is not the current messiah. Worse, Swarupa's pal Bhakta das even says our idea that Srila Prabhupada is the current acharya is a "toxic cancer tumor."
Oddly, as soon as Bhakta das announced that PADA's "worship of Srila Prabhupada as the current acharya program" is -- a "toxic cancer tumor" idea, HKC Jaipur started making audio tapes with him to broadcast Bhakta das as their new shiksha guru and spokesman.
Great, worship of Srila Prabhupada is a toxic cancer tumor, and these people claim to be his best followers? As one devotee said, these people are the Monsanto of ISKCON, they think worship of the pure devotee is poison. Swarupa Hebel and Bhakta das are often seen as good buddies and mutual pals, why is Swarupa Hebel with the "Srila Prabhupada's worship is the toxic cancer tumor disease" group? And now, for their second act, after giving us their illicit sex criminals as our messiahs, we have to "wait" for their next alleged guru, meanwhile, worship of the actual current guru is toxic poison?
Swarupa says we can "argue about this till the cows come home," but his pals have already ended the conversation, they have reached a conclusion, they say worship of the acharya is a cancer tumor. And they have said that all along. Yep, worship of the pure devotee is a cancerous tumor, and then these fools wonder why ISKCON is burnt toast? At least now they are saying, well ok lets wait, maybe we will eventually pull an actual rabbit out of our hats.
Yet, they are the ones using flame throwers to burn ISKCON to ashes with their false gurus, and now their waiting for Godot gurus. What kind of religion declares that worship of their acharya is a cancerous tumor disease? And why would some GBC / Gaudiya Matha / HKC Jaipur folks promote these fools as their spokesmen, if they are actually dedicated to Srila Prabhupada? And why has Swarupa hitched his donkey to this toxic wagon?
And meanwhile this mysterious / unknown / waiting for Godot / future guru has yet to be found and discovered since 1977. Folks like Gaura Govinda Maharaja have been saying the same thing, Srila Prabhupada cannot be your guru now, so you have to "cry to Krishna to send you a guru." Post dated check.
OK except, what if Krishna already gave you Srila Prabhupada as your guru and these "guru search party programs" are all an illusion and bogus waste of time? And our friends like Tamohara das also think Gaura Govinda Maharaja is bona fide -- because GGM is "voted in as acharya" at the recoronation of a known sexual predator "acharya." Tamohara thinks being voted in as acharya along with known sexual predators is bona fide, when even the village drunk knows this is an aparadha. Nope, being voted in as guru is bogus for starters, never mind being voted in with known deviants.
Suppose you went to a Christian church and told them Jesus is not going to be their guru, they have to "wait for ten years" to find their guru? They would think you were an atheist, a fool, a person who has no clue what the eternal guru is, or really, that you were a blasphemer for denying Jesus. Where did Srila Prabhupada say we need to stop everything, and wait for some "other" person and / or the next messiah? Srila Prabhupada ordered this "waiting for Godot" absurdist guru play program?
He never said anything like that. He said keep things going the way they are and DO NOT CHANGE anything. The whole idea that we have to "wait" for ten years, or a hundred years, or five hundred thousand years, or whatever it is, this is all speculation, none of this "waiting for the next guru" was ever mentioned by Srila Prabhupada.
Nor did he say we should stop making initiated disciples, because he wanted the deity programs, cooking programs and all other programs to continue ongoing, and he said initiated people are required to do these jobs. Under the GBC / Gaudiya Matha / Swarupa program, ISKCON is going to stop making more initiated brahmanas -- for ten years -- or maybe more years -- and then the deity programs will be short handed, as has happened.
Srila Prabhupada never said that the deity cooking / pooja / worship program's personnel should be stopped until -- another guru appears? This is not what he said, ever! These fools never explain why they want to dry up the supply of deity worship personnel and have these programs put on hold indefinitely?
So this idea, that people need to wait to find their guru, means Swarupa Hebel and co. have no idea who is the guru of ISKCON. We do not have to "wait" to find the guru of ISKCON, its Srila Prabhupada, and we should accept him as our guru now and move on from there. Swarupa Hebel says no, we should do nothing until the cows come home, that means he wants no one to be the guru of ISKCON for ten years, and maybe forever.
Otherwise, we have already been "waiting" in the material ocean, and waiting here for 10 trillion years to find a guru, why do we need to wait another ten trillion? What are we waiting for? Another ten million lifetimes in illusion?
This whole "waiting for the guru" program is like our local Oakland church people who were thinking Jesus is going to return soon, so they were all sitting on a hill waiting for Jesus to come back. He did not come back, because this whole "waiting for Jesus or another Vaishnava guru to appear" was never predicted by Srila Prabhupada, he never ordered or wanted such foolish speculation.
To sum! Your new "waiting for Godot" guru program is actually good news, it means we have severely cramped your first program -- of promoting illicit sex as your messiahs. We have stumped these bogus messiah cheer leaders program supporters to the point that now they have to place their program on hold and say, ok wait a minute, we will produce one messiah -- later on -- just wait! Well great, after your first guru magic show program produced so many deadly toxic results, we are not surprised you folks are now saying, ok we will produce someone bona fide EVENTUALLY. OK, more cheating, that's all. The good news is most people are onto you folks by now ...
Lets face it, these people were cheated by the 11 into thinking there has to be a living person and we can toss out Srila Prabhupada, and now they are accepting the new Sartre cheating program that we have to wait for Godot. These people are surrendered to the GBC's agenda. Sorry! We do not have to wait for the cows to come home, we have a guru now who will take anyone to Krishna now if they surrender to him now.
ys pd]
Waiting for the "living" Godot guru to connect them with Krishna means, they think their guru is dead, post samadhi, posthumous, post mortem. Sorry, they are the ones who are posthumous.
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