Dayalu Nitai / HKC Jaipur -- Letter on Cooperation

From: Dayalu Nitai Das

To: Mahesh Raja
Cc: Raghava Pandit Das
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2015, 13:57
Subject: Re: Bhakta das

Dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu,

All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Please accept my humble obeisances.

What to speak of taking donation, I do not even know how he (Bhakta Dasa) looks like (as I have never even seen his photograph what to speak of meeting him in person). I do not even know his profile neither I have had any interaction with him online. I have just heard about this name from some other devotees who keep telling me that Puranjan Das is trying to associate me and HKC with Bhakta Dasa and some other names which I do not even remember now.

PADA: Correct. Prahlad das placed a link to the Bhakta das' video on his own site (the actual video was part of Mukunda UK's video site) and a number your HKC Jaipur people were sending me (and others) links to that video, i.e. your HKC folks were informing me to listen to Bhakta das (who is one of the worst critics of the Prabhupadanugas on the planet -- and he supports various GBC's gurus). 

So this is how your HKC Jaipur is linked to Bhakta das, Prahlad is advertising and your own HKC congregation have been following Prahlad and also advertising Bhakta's speaking on video.

In addition, Prahlad has been promoting an essay from Hari Sauri's writings -- where HS has been saying me and Sulochana are sahajiyas. Sulochana himself said Hari Sauri's writings are intentionally demonizing us -- to get us killed. And Sulochana was killed by this program. In addition, Hari Sauri still is -- and has been all along -- Bhavananda's bucket boy for several decades.

Prahlad basically copied and pasted HS writings onto his own site, raising the question, why is he even reading Hari Sauri's writings, what to speak of promoting? And why is Prahlad promoting the same identical writings Sulochana said -- would get him killed? 

Prahlad is promoting the same exact people Sulochana said would get him killed and apparently -- did get him killed, and your HKC folks are promoting the same Prahlad? Why are we working hand in glove with the same people Sulochana said -- are trying to get him killed? And won't that get more of us killed? And is this the plan? Or what? And again, your own HKC people have been advertising the Prahlad link to HARI SAURI's writings.

In sum, why are we promoting the same people Sulochana says -- have been demonizing him to get him killed, and apparently did get him killed? Sulochana died fighting for Srila Prabhupada, and so we should advertise the same writers and writings he said are aimed at -- getting him killed by demonizing him? All you folks are doing with this process is -- placing others in danger by advertising the writings that demonize the Prabhupadanugas. Could that not result in more violence against MORE Prabhupadanugas? Is that what we want?

The Hari Sauri / Bhavananda program is, in the opinion of many of us, in large part responsible for much the child abuse that took pace after 1977. Why are Prahlad and HKC folks promoting the same exact people who -- many feel -- are responsible for creating the abuse infrastructure? 

Prahlad and HKC folks say they are against the child abuse process, then they turns around and advertise for the writings of the same identical people who self - apparently aided and abetted that process? OK HKC Jaipur is against child molesting, but is in favor of the cheer leaders for the program that orchestrates abuse and worse -- is promoting one of the biggest writers for that deviant regime. Why are your people doing that?

A few people have said to me -- that is because Prahlad is a spy for the evil doers and he is planting their writings into the Prabhupadanugas. What do you think?

Prahlad also posted that our taxi driving money is sinful, so he is attacking Sulochana because Sulochana was being partially funded with our taxi money. In fact, we were one of his main contributors, since he had no job. Of course Jayananda was also a taxi driver, for years!

Why is Prahlad always attacking our great saints like Jayananda and Sulochana all the time, saying their income is sinful? Srila Prabhupada was glad to take Jayananda's taxi money! And we have asked about this problem for years, and yet you are not aware that your own folks are doing this, and acting as agents of your HKC Jaipur program? 

It appears Prahlad simply does not want folks like Sulochana to have any funds, so his program would fail, and the GBC thinks the same. Great minds think alike? Sulochana was eating canned beans, and Prahlad is envious that Sulochana even had that much to eat? 

Prahlad wanted Sulochana to starve, and -- die? Why are your people always on the same page as Tamal and Kirtanananda, they also wanted no one to support Sulochana? I also printed Sulochana's papers with my own money and was the first to put his writings on our original web sites around 1995. Why does Prahlad attack the people who supported Sulochana and were the first to place his writings online? He is not happy these works became public, well neither are the GBC's goondas?

Oddly, now Prahlad says his former hero Bhakta das is a Kali Chela, with no explanation why he has been promoting Bhakta das for years together? Nor has Prahlad das or your HKC folks apologized for trying to get people to listen to Bhakta das in the first place?

Oddly, now Prahlad ALSO says his other former "great preacher" Mukunda is another Kali Chela for promoting "pro-Hitler" videos, again no explanation why he told us formerly that Mukunda is doing good preaching work? Nor does Prahlad explain why he opposed me when I said Mukunda's program is too mundane political?

Anyway! So I asked your HKC member folks, "Why are these dubious items being promoted in the devotee's community (apparently in the name of the HKC)"?

That was and still is my question. Simply stated, people like Bhakta das and Hari Sauri are not considered as reputable sources. And Mukunda's pro-Hitler plan is also suspect. Bhakta das has in fact said the ritviks are cancerous tumors. Anyway this is partially good, Prahlad for his part is now saying Bhakta das, Hari sauri, and his previous hero Mukunda das are ALL Kali chelas, but again no explanation why he and the other HKC folks have been promoting Bhakta das and Prahlad's apparent other Kali chelas not only in public, but also to me. 

I was telling HKC folks and Prahlad the whole time their people had major problems ... 

Yet, despite my many warnings, your HKC folks wanted us to listen to these sources, so I will also join the idea that ritviks are cancerous? Why are your HKC people sending me and others this material -- at all? Bhakta says the ritviks are cancer tumors, and Prahlad and your folks are promoting him, how does that help the ritviks? Worse, Bhakta says Radhanath is a great saintly man. Why are your folks allowing the HKC program to be connected to all this? And yes, this is the same question we have asked your folks now for several years.

Now of course, you may not be aware that some of the people in your group have been advertising and e-mailing these things, but we have pointed this out a long time ago and not heard from you or your deputies. And if there is a problem with ISKCON Bangalore (IB) not communicating, you folks seem to have the same problem, or worse, sort of like the frog in the well in reverse. Your guys are not even aware of what is inside your own well, not to speak of what is going on outside.

In sum, I have not heard anything from you about any of this. And worse, some of your HKC members said that I was "meditating on homosexuals" when I pointed out that the essay the HKC members are promoting is from Hari Sauri's guru group, which contains homosexual acharyas. Amazingly, Kirtanananda's people also told me I was "meditating on homosexuals" when I asked them the same question. It seems your people are parroting GBC-isms? And why are your people meditating on the writers for the homosexual acharyas? And when will this be answered properly?

And so I simply asked, "Why are you HKC folks promoting Hari Sauri's writings"? And your people had no proper answer to the issue then or now, and neither did the GBC handle this issue properly. I am asking why members of your group are promoting the writings of a big leader in the homosexual guru regime, and your folks say -- I should not meditate on homosexuals? 

That is what the GBC folks also say, anyone who asked was "mediating on homosexuals." We need to do better in 2016. And incidentally, off putting these issues is how all these problems went on. You guys really need to answer this question, why are your folks promoting the writings of the biggest cheer leaders of Bhavananda and the molester messiahs program?]

DN: Anyway, you will be happy to know that after lot of efforts finally we (Hare Krishna Village) are moving towards a full fledged Varnasrama Community working as per Srila Prabhupada’s desire and instructions. Already around 40-50 devotees are living there as brahamcharis, grihasthas & vanprasthas and everyone is working either as a brahmin, Ksatriya, Vaisya or Sudra co-operatively for the service of the Lord. Since this is daivi Varnasrama these devotees are just playing these roles but most of them except some Vaisya Community devotees are chanting 16 rounds and following other rules given by Srila Prabhupada.Some standard of K.C (like chanting 4-5 rounds and following some rules) are even being followed by the employees (sudras) here.

[PADA: OK and IB folks are also making many projects where people are chanting and following Prabhupada. And when we discuss various things with the IB rank and file followers as we do on a regular basis -- including newer people -- they write me with very intelligent inquiries about Krishna and Prabhupada, which means they have a good idea about the siddhanta, so they are being trained nicely. 

I do not see why you seem to think only your people are chanting and following, and no one else is? Nor do any of your people ever write me with any siddhanta discussions, ever. If they had, this whole Bhakta das issue never would have happened at all.

However one thing we immediately notice, NONE the Bangalore people would EVER send me links to Bhakta das' videos and / or Hari Sauri's writings -- like your HKC people have done with me -- over and over and over and over and over. Why? Because the IB folks are being better trained, thus they ALREADY know that GBC groupies like Bhakta dasa are deviants and not persons to be cited. 

This raises the question, why are the IB people NOT EVER sending me links to Bhakta das and Hari Sauri, while your people are, and Prahlad and your HKC folks sent me these links repeatedly like a broken record? What kind of training are they getting over there?

Or are they being trained by people like Prahlad and you are not supervising them? Or have you made Prahlad your de facto personnel trainer, or what? How did this happen, your own people are promoting two of the worst GBC guru apologists on the planet, and you are not aware of this? Or you do not care? Or you agree that we should promote the GBC's cheer leaders? Or what?

Well jeepers, all sorts of things go on in GBC land, and they are not aware of anything either? You should try to become more aware of what is going on with your own program and people, or your self appointed spokesmen like Prahlad. If not, then it might become a public brouhahaha, as it has. The GBC has no clue what is going on, and you also do not?]

DN: Now our gurukul has 2 children from Russia, and 2 more are coming from Germany in March,one boy who is a son of a big politician in this area has also joined our Varnasrama College recently which has become a big news amongst local people here.

By the grace of Srila Prabhupada, now we also have 2 customized bullock carts which are going in nearby villages (packed up with our devotees) doing Harinam and distributing prasadam etc.This is having a great effect on the villagers and the media (T.V and newspaper) is also covering it very favorably which is making the people more inclined to accept K.C philosophy.

[PADA: I Bangalore folks are doing similar things, and they are always getting good media coverage. You are not the exclusive group making programs and getting media publicity, but its good that you are. Bravo.]

DN: We are also utilizing the bulls for transportation, sankirtan, running some chara (cow fodder) cutting and grinding machines, agriculture etc. This is all being done by Vaisya Community devotees who are also trading many products like Organic Jaggery, Go-Ark, Ghee, milk from our Goshala etc. which is all being manufactured here with the help of some local villagers who are employed as sudras by these Vaisya devotees.

These vaisya devotees are being managed and being provided all resources by ksatriya devotees and the vaisya devotees are giving 25% of their income as tax to ksatriyas as per Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. Brahmin devotees are teaching and guiding the ksatriya devotees. Matajajis are cooking, stiching, taking care of small children and training other matajis in chastity, cooking and cleanliness and everyone is chanting Hare Krishna and worshiping Srila Prabhupada as their spiritual master.

Everyone is also going through the Bhakti Shastri course where exams are conducted on the original books of Srila Prabhupada. This way everyone is studying Srila Prabhupada’s books seriously and except a few everyone is scoring very high in all the tests. This is one of Srila Prabhupada’s desire which we are trying to execute here exactly as he has instructed. Bhakti Shastri course as per Srila Prabhupada’s desire and extensively studying Srila Prabhupada’s books and are scoring very good marks etc. etc.

ALL THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING HERE !!!

[PADA: And many similar projects are being done by IB, including our local Sunnyvale program.]

DN: Some senior devotees like Prahlad Prabhu from England and Mathura Pati Prabhu from Germany visit almost every year here with other devotees and stay sometimes for months together.

[PADA: OK well we said Prahlad has been posted by you as one of your seniors, and you just confirmed he still is.]

DN: Other senior Prabhupadanugas like Kansahanta Prabhu (U.K),

[PADA: Kamsahanta das was the person saying I was wrong to make the BBTI lawsuit with Hansadutta for the legal rights for original books. Do you agree with me, that he was wrong to do that? Why should we not have the legal rights to original books? And why does Kamsahanta never tell me why we should not? 

And why would Prahlad attack us, knowing we are part of the 1997 BBTI lawsuit and we have advertised for original books all the while, and helped get the legal rights to print these books? Kamsahanta also tried to stop me from introducing the poison issue. Why has Kamsahanta tried to throttle back the changed books and poison issue? I forgot, he told me these lawsuits will make the GBC lose their buildings, which means he wants to make sure the molester messiahs have nice houses!

If you are working with these people, should you not also try to be aware of their positions on these issues? Kamsahanta told me in 1997 that the poison issue would take away the GBC's buildings, great, we need to keep Hrdayananda and JPS in a big house? Why?

You should make some sort of declaration that our idea for the original books is the right path, as is our expose of the poison issue. We never actually see where you stand on any of these issues? If Kamsahanta is your other de facto spokesman, he has been against our original legal rights book plan and the poison issue, and he has not explained why. Ever!]

Gauri Das Pandit Prabhu (U.S),

[PADA: Gauri das has wrote a number of times that he is for the Bangalore program and he wants them to win their lawsuit etc. He does not want to join your public attack on Bangalore and he simply does not agree with your strategy of publicly attacking IB. He wants IB to win and be a success. Ask him. Several devotees have complained you are using the names of people as your supporters, when they are not necessarily.]

DN: Sunder Gopal Prabhu (Singapore) and Gokul Chand Prabhu (NZ), Prahlad Bhakta Prabhu (Pond., India) have visited once and are likely to visit again on the coming Gaur Poornima with many other foreign devotees for the Prabhupadanugas festival. These devotees can share their first hand experience with other devotees around the world for their pleasure, guidance and support.

For other Prabhupadanuga devotees who may not be able to visit here , I will soon be putting up a documentry film (which we will keep updating as things improve here -- hopefully -- by Krishna’s grace and the blessings and support of Prabhupadanuga devotees around the world) and also send it to them. This documentry will have Srila Prabhupada’s instructions on Varnashrama and how these instructions are being practically implemented here. This we will show with the help of photographs, video clips, interviews of devotees staying here etc..

[PADA: All good, bravo.]

DN: We will also put our future plans as per Srila Prabhupada’s instructions in this documentry film for the pleasure and guidance of all Prabhupadanugas. We will welcome any advise or constructive criticism based on Srila Prabhupada’s instructions and will try to improve or set things right if we are going wrong anywhere.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada said he wanted us to cooperate, that is one of his prime orders.]

DN: I and other devotees were very busy in getting this whole thing together to the current stage (which miraculously came to the present stage in just last 6 months which in normal course would have taken years). Since I was very busy therefore I did not get time to check my facebook or e-mail accounts or other comments on the internet.

Now, also Raghav Pandit Prabhu (full time senior brahamchari and secretary at HKC) told me to check my mail box and some threads on facebook since there is some confusion / discussion going on amongst senior Prabhupadanugas regarding Tim Lees comments and my not being present on the internet (on behalf of HKC) to answer them, Co-opeartion between IB group and HKC, Importance of Varnashrama etc.

[PADA: Ok so you are well aware of the controversy but have not tried to resolve it, nor did you depute anyone to try to deal with this.]

DN: So, I have answered some things regarding activities of HKC going on here with respect to Varnashrama. Obviously youth preaching, book distribution etc. is going in full swing in Jaipur under the guidance of Raghav Pandit Prabhu. Now the boys who are coming in contact with us have many options to live with the devotees as Brahmanas, Ksatriyas or Vaisyas and can choose whatever ashrama is suitable for them. “Sthane Sthithe Shruti Gatam”.

They are not dependent on the temple for their livelihood. Otherwise mostly Iskcon and other groups have just one option that become brahamchari or if you cannot remain brahamchari then get married and everyone collect donations to run the temple or take salary or remuneration if not inspired otherwise to collect donations.

So those boys/devotees who do not feel inspired or cannot fit in this profile are dragged to work for karmis for their livelihood who make them work so hard and with no devotee association there K.C life gets finished and their children are also sent to these karmi schools (slaughterhouses) but with this Varnashram model anyone who wants to live simply and practice K.C can come, that is what we are experiencing here. Even their children are growing up in this K.C atmosphere and getting trained in gurukul so a whole next generation of devotees is being created and they are being saved from going to slaughterhouses of this modern education system. It is really wonderfull!!

[PADA: OK IB is doing similar programs.]

DN: Also I think that there was some talk about cooperation between Prabhupadanugas, earlier also I (on behalf of HKC devotees) was fully in favour of it and now also I am fully for it. Whatever is required like forming a committee or talking to IB group, even if it requires going to their place. Even if MPP is very busy, I can talk to CPP at his time at his place. I mean to say I am ready to do anything for co-operation if it pleases Srila Prabhupada and his sincere disciples (my respectable Godbrothers).

l will personally also check out more things on prabhuadanugas and with other devotees and answer them as and when I get time.For the time being I can only say that there is nothing to worry rather there are many things to feel joyful about as many of Srila Prabhupada’s desires regarding establishing Varnashrama Communiites is coming true. This is just a small endeavor here and an example which will trigger off many such communities all over the world. Here many of the Varnasharma College boys who are being trained up nicely are capable of establishing such communities once their training is completed.

I am sending a copy of this reply to Raghav Pandit Prabhu also who is in Jaipur (I am at Hare Krishna Village currently which is around 70-80 Kms. from Jaipur) so that he can remain updated and answer queries of other devotees in case I am not available due to some urgent services going on here.

I will be at your service to clear any of your doubts.

your servant (in the service of Srila Prabhupada’s original unadulterated instructions),
Dayalu Nitai Das.

[PADA: There is another issue that Prahlad and your group has attacked us, and that is that in 1997 some of the ex-gurukula abuse victims were (A) committing suicide, and there was a growing epidemic of this problem. (B) Several hundred other children were in critical situations in the "care" of the same people who made these problems and (C) Some 13 year old girls were being married to older men (according to some of them who are now PADA friends) etc.

So there were many problems with these children and we helped them with a lawsuit, and this lawsuit: (A) Slowed the suicides to almost nothing, (B) Forced  the issue so parents had to take 100s of their kids out of the GBC controlled programs and (C) Forced parents to take their young girls out of the GBC controlled projects -- so they did not get married to older men. OK we saved lives here, some people lived and others were saved from potential abuse.

Yet Prahlad, as well as many of the members of your HKC, have said that our saving and helping these kids was wrong, i.e. they wanted the suicides, apparent ongoing molesting infrastructure, and bogus marriages etc. to continue. Why does Prahlad and the HKC folks support the idea that this abuse should not have been halted? 

I hate to have to report this, but not stopping abuse is a criminal offense even for the karmis. Why are your HKC folks saying all these crimes against children should not be stopped? Are you aware that your folks idea, that we are wrong to curtail abuse, is against the law? So your guys plan was to increase the suicides, continue the abuse infrastructure, and that would have been another major newspaper story eventually anyway! 

You cannot allow more and more people to die and / or be abused and expect the media will never get wise to that!

I am amazed to hear that Prahlad and your HKC folks said that the suicides, abuse infrastructure, and bogus marriages program etc. should be allowed to go on indefinitely, and not be suppressed -- as we did? Of course that makes HKC on board with what Tamal also wanted? Apart from that, your idea is ILLEGAL, abuse programs have to be stopped, that is the law. That is because the law knows how to treat children WAY BETTER THAN YOU HKC FOLKS!

We also know Prahlad / HKC and co. were never going to make any sort of help or lawsuit and they never did even up to now. Again, lets be clear, this begs the question, why does Prahlad, and many HKC Jaipur members, want the program of children committing suicide, being potentially molested, and being married to much older men etc. to continue "henceforward" forever? Is this the basis of a human society?

And if you want to start your own society, fine, but what kind of society wants to see abuse continued and not checked -- as we did at least check it to a large extent? Prahlad is perhaps the biggest defender of child abusers on the planet, he says stopping this abuse is all wrong, and he says that all the time. As many kulis have told me, people like Prahlad are defenders of child abusers, and as such, he should not be listed as one of your speakers and seniors.

And the other HKC joined with Prahlad and objected to this abuse program being halted? Of course Prahlad argues that these children were offenders who hated the religion, well no kidding, Prahlad says he represents the religion and he wants them to die and their abuse to continue. 

No wonder they are upset with the religion! 

He is purposefully causing them to be upset with the religion by his idea that he wants suicides, molesting and bogus marriages of children to continue on -- with nothing stopping it. They hate him, and that makes them hate Krishna, because he is claiming to be Krishna's agent. He is part of the cause of their bad attitudes towards the religion. Why are you advertising this person as your senior man? He is the person causing these children to hate Krishna, and he is your spokesman?

And as a number of kulis have asked me, why do people like Prahlad hate children so much -- they want us children to die? And this begs the question, why are HKC Jaipur people promoting Prahlad and his anti-children program, where he is openly saying that suicides, molesting and bogus marriages should not be halted? And why don't these HKC folks know that dead children is not the way forward, when even the karmis know that is not the way forward?

As for "harming the reputation of the religion," right, people like Prahlad who want to see children suffer death and abuse are the entire reason the religion has a bad name in the first place.

Anyway! Somehow or other this is all connected to you, because Prahlad is your senior man, according to you. Many HKC folks also cited Prahlad while writing to me, proving he is acting as a de facto administrator of YOUR program. Meanwhile, Prahlad NOW admits in public that the people he has been promoting like his Bhakta das video, Hari Sauri's writings and pro-Hitler Mukunda etc. are AGENTS OF KALI YUGA. Kali chelas. So you and your HKC are associated with a person who openly admits he has been promoting KALI CHELAS. Sorry, you guys should explain all this, especially since I was warning all of you for years this was going on!

If you are not aware of this, you should be. Meanwhile HKM Jaipur has sent me a nice video of their program, which looks like its packed with nice people. I do not think all these people are doing the wrong thing because this program, the Bangalore program (you can see on Web TV) and going on so very nice. 

Attacking their program is not helping matters, in fact its helping the GBC. And when it comes to discrimination, clearly the Bangalore folks are several billion light years ahead of your guys, when your guys are still saying child abusers need to go unchecked with no process to contain them. And the HKC still has done nothing for these victims and they never will. All the HKC does is say its wrong for me to contain child abuse, making your program look very bad indeed, if not illegal!

I tried to help you with the Nimai Pandit program and I was advertising your program up to then. However, since MPD is now in the Supreme Court taking on the GBC, its important not to give credibility to his enemies as you folks are doing all the time by trying to knee-cap MPD. This is simple common sense, we need to establish that Srila Prabhupada is the acharya in courts and no one else is doing that except MPD. And no one else maybe ever will do that. So we need to focus on the priority, and that is, to establish who is the legal acharya of the ISKCON society.

Now as far as MPD is concerned, it seems your group is doing everything they can to alienate him from your group. For example, your group started all kinds of foolish propaganda that IB is deviating, and is connected to the IBM / Ford Motor/ Bill Clinton / Bill Gates / Monsanto / new world order cabal. Ooops! Except, Srila Prabhupada himself sold his books and took donations from even animal slaughterhouse workers, and he never said we have to select which persons can or cannot fund our mission?

Srila Prabhupada never made this a big issue, and your guys made it the biggest issue. So I should not have a taxi job, MPD should only take donations from vegetarian animal shelters, ok we cannot function like that -- and this is not how Srila Prabhupada operated. 

Apart from that, MPD is in court dealing with the GBC, trying to prove that Srila Prabhupada is the acharya, and just at that moment you guys decide to make a full scale attack on him and demonize him, knowing this program of demonizing can get our people killed? All you guys did was raise a huge cheer from the GBC guru program, they said well done, bravo, you are helping -- us! The person trying to prove in court that Srila Prabhupada is the acharya, is the person we should demonize and jeapardize? Why? Who does that help, apart from Radhanath's program?

As far as I recall what started all this was that HKC was mis-using a photo of MPD? Anyway, I could try to negotiate something on your behalf, but you need to look into what is being done in your name by your pal Prahlad, his associates, and HKC folks who support him. 

And you need to make clear your position on some of these issues we are forwarding if you want to make peace with us. If you are the leader of all this, then you are responsible for all these things. If you want to work things out with MPD, you'll need to start by taking down all your web sites attacking him and his program. As for me, well if you want to dialogue, fine, lets see what we can do. And if you have a sensible program for peace and want me to forward that to MPD on your behalf, I will try to help. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com


PS: I am very glad all this has come out like this, its always good to give our readers a short history lesson on these events. ys pd

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Thanks prabhu, How is this connected to HKC Jaipur? Well Dayalu Nitai wrote very recently that Prahlad is a senior member of his group. That means Dayalu is openly saying, the person who admits he is promoting various Kali Chelas (and / or supporters of the molester messiahs program) are senior persons in the HKC Jaipur program, according to Dayalu himself. Now Prahlad admits he is promoting various spokesmen for the Kali Chelas program, which molests children, kills devotees and poisons pure devotees, that is when they are not promoting Stalin. This is a powerful admission on their part. Prahlad finally admits -- he is trying to force others to bow down to his Kali Chelas authorities, and the good news is, PADA put a big crimp in Prahlad's Kali Chelas program, of course we have crimped their program the whole while. Now you know why there has been so many violent banning and molesting programs and etc. going on, people have stood with the Kali Chelas and not those of us driving that program out. You got it! I also just met another Bangalore person, a new guy, and he gets this stuff immediately, you cannot promote Kali Chelas, its amazing that so many HKC folks have no idea that is the correct process after all these years, when Bangalore folks get it in two seconds. So this is all good, we are moving ahead on all this. And yes, Dayalu says that Prahlad is a senior in his group, which confirms what we said all along. ys pd

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Yes prabhu, you are correct, congratulations to Prahlad are in order. He first of all told us (A) that Mukunda is doing great preaching, now he says Mukunda is a Kali Chela pro-Hitler fool. Prahlad also said (B) we all have to listen to his Bhakta das video, now he says Bhakta das is another low class Kali chela fool. Prahlad also cited Hari Sauri's book as his history authority, and now (C) he too is another Kali chela fool. That means Prahlad is finally admitting, he has been promoting and listening to people, which he himself admits are -- Kali Chelas, and its only because of us at PADA pointing that out to him -- which is helping him get out of these illusions and save himself from his Kali Chela associations! Right, we told him these people are bogus, and he is finally accepting that PADA was right the whole time! I am glad he has finally agreed that we were right and he has surrendered to our points regarding these individuals, better late than never! Yep, even we have to agree with Prahlad, he is totally correct, he wanted all of us to listen to his Kali Chela fools, and we showed him the right path, to reject these Kalis Chelas, and he has accepted our idea. Yes, congratulations, Prahlad is with PADA on these issues! I will write separately to Dayalu nitai about these points and lets see if we can progress to some sort of overall peace pipe agreement. ys pd


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