Rupanuga Writes Wrongs (Again) 06 16 24

 

Nice little tour of Puri dham

PADA: Thanks for your question about Dayalu Nitai and his HKC Jaipur vs PADA situation. Yes, his HKC people have been promoting the writings of Bhavananada's bucket boy Hari Sauri, saying that me and Sulochana are sahajiyas. And Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Pancali / Krishna Kirtan / Mathura Pati etc. have all been collectively promoting these Hari Sauri writings and statements against us. 

Except -- Sulochana said -- Hari Sauri is calling us sahajiyas -- to make us targets (for assassination). And Sulochan was and is correct, he became a target of their propaganda -- and he was taken out. Exactly as he predicted.

So yes, they claim to be big lovers and promoters of Sulochana, while they are simultaneously licking the jack boots of the people who Sulochana said would take him off the planet. So I would say -- this is called hypocrisy, at best; or perhaps a betrayal of Sulochana; and even worse -- perhaps an effort to make even more people targets, which has resulted in defending the GBC's pedo guru cult. 

So we cannot say we love Sulochana, and we also love and promote the people who helped have him executed -- as he said himself -- by writing against him. That is not showing the slightest bit of respect or love for Sulochana. Same problem I have with some other devotees recently. Yes, they believe Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. 

And yes, they ALSO still think Prabhupada was surrounded by his loving disciples. Ummm, nope. And yes, I think they know all this makes no sense, and they are deliberately trying to spread confusion, which is the nature of people infected with the modes. 

Sulochana's birthday is 4th of July, and he knew very well who loved him, and who loved his attackers. But there is another problem, perhaps a worse problem than their supporting the program that is taking the life of a Vaishnava. This also means -- they love defenders of Auschwitz for kids in the holy dham of Mayapur. Yeah, even I cannot say which deviation they support is worse than the other. Both are capital crimes. 

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ASD: Dear Yasoda nandana prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Yes, after a short pause Rupanuga wrote me the following letter insisting on his misunderstandings:

Rupanuga Das, March 12, 2024:

He didn't say he would be remaining the only diksa guru. He never gave that order, nor can anyone find a quote where he did. But his cowardly disciples won't take the responsibility or the risk for someone who has been chanting 16 rounds and following the four regs for six months at least, and instead they pass the buck to Srila Prabhupada!

But guess what, like when you touch the top of the head of someone touching your feet, so the karma goes around, Srila Prabhupada passes the buck back with his blessings. So much for that illusion.

He showed us he was the last Acarya with his teachings, nobody else. They were to be the officiating acaryas, the Acarya's rep, while he was still with us. After he left they were to be "regular gurus" he said, and their disciples were to be his "grand disciples", he said. When? After he left. That was the question he was answering, "in the future after you are no longer with us?" 

And if we weren't able to accept the little dregs of karma left after someone chanted 16 rounds and followed the regs for six months, then the disciplic succession goes on, on the strength of Srila Prabhupada-vani incarnate for anyone who can read, sruti. Bas.

And that is the way it is going on, Srila Prabhupada-vani, divya-jnana. Whether you pass it on officially or not. The real disciplic succession is going on through his disciples, male or female, acting as transparent via mediums for Srila Prabhupada, notwithstanding new, innovative Iskcon denominations like the Rtviks or Narayan followers. (End of quote)

PADA: A representative of the acharya is not a successor or replacement for the acharya, he is an agent or ritvik. 

My reply (March 14, 2024):

Dear Rupanuga prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Srila Prabhupada did say he would remain the initiating guru for his movement and new devotees would be his initiated disciples assisted by ritvik priests on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, and he would live on in his instructions. That is the only system of initiations he really ordered for the future of ISKCON and never cancelled it. You have all the opportunities to study this issue in more detail and accept the order of Srila Prabhupada.

Some years ago I read one of your articles "Ritvik Reality or "I Stop for the Time Being"" where you wrote:

"I stop for the time being" indicates that the ritvik appointments made three months earlier were necessary due to Srila Prabhupada's condition, but he considered them temporary-to last until his own initiations could begin again. In other words, "for the time being" indicates Srila Prabhupada's expectation of taking up initiations again in due course. "And if by Krsna’s grace I recover from this condition, then I shall begin again," indicates his hopeful intention to take up initiation duties again in the future."

I don't know if you have re-thought such kind of statements, but this is incorrect. How Srila Prabhupada's resuming performing initiation ceremonies would affect or stop initiations on behalf of Srila Prabhupada? Where did he state it was "temporary"? 

What do you mean by "taking up initiations again in due course" - that Srila Prabhupada would again do ALL the initiations throughout the world personally for all the disciples as if it wasn't October 1977 with more than 100 centers and thousands of devotees, but 1960s? It would be impossible! He would again do them ALONG WITH ritvik initiations, as it had been done essentially for years in the 1970s - two things happened simultaneously. 

Whenever Srila Prabhupada had time and it was convenient he would do it personally, otherwise in many places new devotees would be initiated by recommendation of a TP or other senior devotee and get the ceremony done by them. But all of them would be Prabhupada’s initiated disciples. Srila Prabhupada talked on October 18, 1977 about the initiation ceremony, about satisfying personal request for initiation, but whether he would perform the CEREMONY personally or his "deputies" from "that list" would perform it on his behalf, anyway he would remain the spiritual master in both cases. 

So that conversation confirmed the relevance and continuation of this system, not otherwise. Like it was written in one of the replies to your article: "He [Srila Prabhupada] speaks only of his ability to satisfy personal requests for initiation, which would require his health to be good and which he had already stated he would be doing alongside the ritvik system wherever practical. Therefore since the October 18th conversation does not involve Srila Prabhupada stating he intends to terminate the ritvik system, and the July 9th directive states it must be applied in ISKCON, it must continue to so be applied."

Just like there are initiated disciples of Srila Prabhupada after 18 October, 1977, in November, in his initiated disciples book. And on that very day (18 October) the secretary wrote to Fiji TP Vasudeva das Adhikary on behalf of Srila Prabhupada that he should send recommendations to 11 ritviks and then conduct the initiation CEREMONY: "You may send the names of such worthy persons to any one of the eleven devotees whom Srila Prabhupada has designated to initiate on His behalf, and after receiving the sanctified beads and new names, you can then perform the initiation CEREMONY." 

So Srila Prabhupada didn't cease to be the spiritual guru. All the initiation letters of 1977 point to to the fact these people were appointed as ritviks (like when Tamal wrote individually to Hansadutta, Kirtanananda, Harikesa, etc. in July 1977 he informed them that this is appointment of rittiks, not a single word that they have been appointed as would be diksa gurus!). More in the attached file "Myth: On October 18 1977 Srila Prabhupada stopped being initiating guru".

Tamal admitted on Dec. 3, 1980 in Topanga Canyon: "Actually, Prabhupada never appointed any gurus. He didn't appoint eleven gurus. He appointed eleven ritviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of ritviks as the appointment of gurus... 

"Before I got ready to type the letter, I asked him: "Srila Prabhupada, is this all or do you want to add more?" He said, "As is necessary, others may be added."... You can't show me anything on tape or in writing where Prabhupada says, "I appoint these 11 as gurus." It doesn't exist because he never appointed any gurus. This is a MYTH." 

(https://iskcon-truth.com/tamal-admission-topanga.html, the scanned transcript pdf file link is at the bottom of the page)

Gargamuni das, who was present at Vrindavana in 1977 and was a GBC member: 

"The system he [Srila Prabhupada] introduced by this ritvik system worked perfectly all over the world. Every devotee stayed at the temples where they were initiated. There were no problems, no politics, and then a month before Prabhupada left he mentioned in a conversation, he said, "You keep this system. This is a perfect system. If you keep this system, everything will go on as it is going on now." 

(From a video recorded lecture delivered on 28 July, 2016 in Srila Prabhupada's house in ISKCON Vrindavan, video: https://vk.com/video-4018800_456239170).

Hansadutta das: "The point is: when the guru orders, then only one becomes guru. For instance, in the ashram, if the spiritual master does not ask or order his disciple to take food, then the disciple should fast. That is the discipline. Prabhupada ordered some disciples to "act as rittvik representatives of the acharya" but he never ordered, "You become full guru-acharya of ISKCON" to any disciple. Where is the order? It does not exist!... 

Such kidnapper gurus and their unfortunate disciples fall down from the devotional path in due course of time, just as a tree that receives no water loses its leaves (disciples), dries up and dies. We have seen this phenomenon repeat itself again and again in a long list of so-called gurus, myself included. However, such dead gurus and disciples can be brought back to life simply by situating themselves properly in the rittvik initiating arrangement made by Prabhupada." 

("Srila Prabhupada, His Movement and You", 1993)

Shortly before passing away Hansadutta said:

Hamsaduta das: The real point is that Prabhupada gave prescription for what's to be done when he leaves this planet, which is to act as ritivik representative of the acarya... We don't see, we don't find any last letter where Prabhupada tells, "These persons shall be my acaryas, or they shall act as diksa-gurus." He doesn't write that.

Devotee: So how all the gurus and yourself, how did you all decide to be gurus?

Hamsaduta das: It was a kind of... It's just like a young boy wants to be like his father. So one day he walks into the living room and he has his father's shoes on, and he is only 3 years old, and he has his hat on, and everyone has a good laugh... Child is IMITATING his father... 

(From 'Hansadutta Dasa ACBSP on the final Ritvik order and Guru scam in ISKCON' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WVcjM_MxSU)

Prabhupāda: After one month I will be eighty.
Reporter (1): Eighty?
Prabhupāda: Eighty years old.
Reporter (2): What will happen...
Prabhupāda: I was born in 1896, now you can calculate.
Reporter (2): What will happen to the movement in the United States when you die?
Prabhupāda: I will never die.
Devotees: Jaya! Hari bol! (laughter)
Prabhupāda: I shall live for my books, and you will utilize.
Reporter (2): Are you training a successor?
Prabhupāda: Yes, my Guru Mahārāja is there. Where is my photo of Guru Mahārāja? I think... Here is. (Press Conference — July 16, 1975, San Francisco)

Interviewer: What happens when that inevitable time comes when a successor is needed?
Rāmeśvara: He is asking about the future, who will guide the movement in the future.
Prabhupāda: They will guide. I am training them.
Interviewer: Will there be one spiritual leader, though?
Prabhupāda: NO, I AM TRAINING GBC, eighteen all over the world.
Rāmeśvara: His personal secretaries.
Interviewer: I see.
Rāmeśvara: To see that the original teachings that Prabhupāda has given are not in any way changed.
Interviewer: Well, nothing more? Then ah, thank you, and I wish you well in your travels. (Magazine Interview — June 10, 1976, Los Angeles)

Guest (2): What do you see as the future of your movement and are you planning to...
Prabhupāda: My movement is genuine.
Guest (2): ...to choose a successor.
Prabhupāda: It is already successful. Genuine thing is always success. Gold is gold. If somebody is fortunate, he can purchase gold, but gold remains gold. If somebody purchases and somebody does not, it doesn't matter. Gold is gold. So future, gold future is always the same as it is at present—if it is gold. If it is something glittering, that is another thing.
Guest (4): But there must be somebody, you know, needed to handle the thing.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that we are creating. We are creating these devotees who will handle.
Hanumān: One thing he's saying, this gentleman, and I would like to know, is your successor named or your successor will...
Prabhupāda: My success is always there. Yes. Just like the sun is there always. It may come before your vision or not. The sun is there. But if you are fortunate, you come before the sun. Otherwise you remain in darkness. (Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor, other Guests and Disciples — February 12, 1975, Mexico)

In his article "SOME OBSERVANCES ON THE LATTER-DAY GURUS A Rational and Ethical View of Guru Since Prabhupada’s Departure" Rohini Kumar Swami wrote:

"At our center at 26th Second Ave., Srila Prabhupada, when asked who would be the next acarya after him stated, "There will not be any more acaryas."

This article was written in 1985 and included as Appendix 8 of Sulocana Dasa's book "The Guru Business" (1986), and in that book Sulocana mentions that this conversation, according to Rohini Kumar Swami, occurred in 1968 in New York.

Another disciple of Srila Prabhupada Pradyumna Das wrote in his letter to GBC chairman Satsvarupa das Gosvami dated August 7, 1978:

"At the time of Srila Prabhupada's disappearance, it was most clearly understood by all of us present that Srila Prabhupada had made MADE NO SUCCESSOR. Everyone admitted that fact and understood it clearly. Instead, the GBC was to jointly manage all affairs of ISKCON just as had been the case previously". 

(Full text: http://www.harekrsna.org/pada/documents/pradyumna.htm)

Gauridas Pandit Das, one of Srila Prabhupada's personal servants in 1977: "The next few days after the ritvic appointments I heard more instructions from Srila Prabhupada. Tamal K.G. asked him the next morning, July 8th, if there should be vyasasana's for the ritviks in the temples. Srila Prabhupada said, "No; that would create enmity among my disciples." [...] 

Tamal K.G. also asked Srila Prabhupada if there could be more ritviks in the future. Srila Prabhupada said that more could be appointed by the GBC at Mayapura. Tamal K.G. asked Srila Prabhupada what to do if a ritvik falls down and Srila Prabhupada replied that the GBC could remove them. [...] I told some of the devotees what I heard about this and Yasodanandan wrote it down in his diary. On July 8th Yasodanandan Prabhu wrote, "Tamal Krishna Maharaja was talking about [with Prabhupada] rtvik gurus to initiate on behalf of Prabhupada after he leaves the planet." 

On July 9th Yasodanandan wrote, "I heard from Tamal Krishna Maharaja in the afternoon that Srila Prabhupada had told him to send a letter to 'all the temples' to explain the ritvik initiation system for the future." On July 10th Yasodanandan wrote, "Tamal Krishna Maharaja comes out of Prabhupada's room. TKG: "Haribol, Yasoda, did you see this?" Yasoda: "No, what is it?" TKG: "This is signed by Prabhupada." 

Yasoda: "What does all this mean?" TKG: "Devotees have been writing to Prabhupada asking for initiations and now Prabhupada has named eleven ritviks who can initiate on his behalf. Prabhupada said others can be added." Yasodanandan: "And when Prabhupada departs?" TKG: "They'll be ritviks. That's what Prabhupada said. It's all on tape."

(R.C.5-28-77 & 7-7-77etc.)" (On My Behalf, by Gauridasa Pandita Dasa, 01/19/98, https://vaishnava-news-network.org/world/9801/19-1517/index.html)

I heard from Gauridas Pandit all these personally in Jaipur in India in 2013, I got the scans from Yasoda nandana of his original diary pages and checked them. Also, I talked to Gargamuni in Vrindavana, I wrote to Cyavana Swami.

According to testimony of Cyavana Swami Srila Prabhupada said, "I will continue to accept disciples and give them my blessings even after I am no longer physically present, you may initiate them on my behalf". To that he added, "I will have millions of disciples"... (Posted by HH Cyavana Swami on his Facebooks page on September 7, 2016, see attached screenshots). There are other similar testimonies (like that of Pita das) consistent with documented evidence. On May 28, 1977 Srila Prabhupada said to GBC delegation that in the future particularly when he is "no longer with us", he would appoint "ritviks" and confirmed that future disciples would be his disciples. 

That was further confirmed in the July 9, 1977 letter to all GBCs and Temple Presidents (the final directive on future initiations in ISKCON), "The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative." Disciples of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples would be possible if he would have ordered them so (it was mentioned by Srila Prabhupada on April 22, 1977, May 28, 1977, etc.) 

But there was no such order although on October 2, 1977 Srila Prabhupada said that he had given everything in writing: "I have given in writing everything, whatever you wanted—my will, my executive(?) power, everything." Srila Prabhupada’s final will also doesn’t mention any future spiritual successors but confirms that even successors to ISKCON property trustees / executive directors must be "my initiated disciple" and that the system of management shouldn’t change, and the GBC will be managerial authority. 

During the final will discussion on June 2, 1977 Srila Prabhupada added that declaration, Oath of Allegiance to him, should be continued in the future (after his passing away): "And that declaration should be taken. That you are already taking... Hm. Oath of allegiance. That should be maintained". 

And its text authorized by him 4 times states that he is "my Guru Maharaja" to whom the disciple pledges allegiance and it's Prabhupada whose directives and orders he would follow. There are numerous evidences both documented and testimonial that Srila Prabhupada clearly wanted to remain the initiating guru for his movement even after his physical departure, that the system of management shouldn't change and ceremonial aspect of initiation should be conducted by temple presidents and official ritviks (to be "added as necessary", according to TKG Confession, December 3, 1980, citing Srila Prabhupada’s instruction).

In his memories BV Puri Gosvami recalled how he visited Srila Prabhupada in 1977: "Maharaj, you have established 11 gurus... You have selected 11 gurus. He said, "I have not selected. I have appointed 11 ritviks. Ritviks" (Video: https://vk.com/video-4018800_456239171)

So Srila Prabhupada appointed ritviks, not diksa gurus! There is zero real evidence that Srila Prabhupada actually authorized anyone in 1977 to replace him as the diksa guru for ISKCON. This representative system should continue. All the documented evidence point to the fact Srila Prabhupada established ritivk initiation system, not zonal acaryas, or anything else. And the documents keep coming out, just like Vedabase 2019 has the newly published July 22nd, 1977 letter from Tamal Krishna to Ramesvara with detailed description of ritvik initiations (both first and second ones). Where is such detailed description of the future multiple diksa guru system in ISKCON, their voting in, etc? (End of quote from my email)

At the end of my email I asked him to stop this unproductive debate as I didn't have time for it:

"So many things can be said, but I must conclude that I don't have time anymore to engage in this exchange of messages, as I don’t find it productive, unfortunately. It's the beginning of the farming season now, and I have a lot of work to do."

After that I didn't hear from him anything.

Ys, ASD

Yasodanandan: Kindly let me know if you hear any reply from Mr. Rupanuga. You soundly defeated him in a very tactful way.

Thank you for your service.


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Subject: Rupanuga das

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:37:25 +0300

From: ASD:

Dear devotees,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

In a recent essay I quoted a remarkable interview with Rupanuga prabhu ACBSP:

There is a recording of former maya-ISKCON guru and GBC Rupanuga das telling the following:

Rupanuga das: After disappearance the whole thing fell apart when the GBC was hijacked.
Interviewer: What do you mean 'hijacked'?
Rupanuga das: It was taken over by the gurus.
Interviewer: Oh, you mean the eleven or twelve whoever they were?
Rupanuga das: Yeah, eleven. There were 22 or 23 of us and when a half of them became gurus, they took over because they had the control of men, the new men. There was an army, they were making an army. And they also replaced Srila Prabhupada's disciples, and they jabbed many positions. You know, elbowed them out.
Interviewer: So, ISKCON has been hijacked, according to Rupanuga prabhu.
Rupanuga das: Yes.
Interviewer: Oh, wow!
Rupanuga das: It's not just according to me. Other persons see it the same way. 'Hijacked' is nothing new concept. But that's what happened. It's been hijacked.
Interviewer: Mafia has taken over.
Rupanuga das: It was started with the GBC. When you hijack the GBC, you know, the next step was the whole movement, because the GBC was in charge of the movement. Everybody knew it. So they hijacked in the sense took it over and utilized it for their own purposes. 

(Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InxkOQbiia8)

Dhira Govinda prabhu commented: “There is a recording of former maya-ISKCON guru and GBC Rupanuga das telling the following”- I know that Rupanuga das was a GBC, though, I’m not certain whether he was ever an official “ISKCON guru”. There is a confirmation/explanation from Rupanuga prabhu himself. And I tried to ask him questions regarding 27-29 May, 1977 GBC meeting which was the last GBC meeting during Srila Prabhupada's physical presence, about the GBC minutes book. It moved on to the idea of Srila Prabhupada's supposed appointment of 11 initiating gurus. You can read our discussion, if you like:

Rupanuga wrote to me:

Maya-Iskcon guru?

I was initiated in Oct., 1966 and joined this movement to spread it. Although I was formally elected to a guru position by the GBC, I never accepted any disciples. I have never supported the deviations and revisions of Iskcon and the books. I resigned from the GBC in 1988 and left Iskcon at the same time because I was unable to make reforms from within the GBC and did not want to be associated with continued deviations. I have enclosed some PDF information for your information. In a nutshell, Srila Prabhupada never went anywhere; he remains incarnate in his teachings, books, lectures, morning walks, etc., as Srila Prabhupada-vani for the next 9500 years. This is the year 537 Gaurabda, which supersedes the conventional designation of 2024, etc. Hare Krishna.

Your servant,

Rupanuga das, ACBSP    

PS: As far as I am concerned, there no use beating a dead horse; it just gets one stuck to the Iskcon tar-baby. Better to preach to the people, Prabhupada direct. Hare Krishna!

My reply:

Dear Rupanuga prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Thank you for your email. Yes, I know that you haven't accepted any disciples, I heard this from Nityananda prabhu. I also heard that you was authorized by the GBC as diksa guru, and you confirm it by saying that you was "formally elected to a guru position by the GBC". It's hard to imagine that it was done without your consent or awareness. 

So you accepted to become an ISKCON initiating guru, albeit for a short time. Right? It's certainly very good that you never accepted any disciples and rejected that position soon, and I personally sympathetic to you in many respects, and I have translated a number of pieces from your papers into Russian language and published them. I appreciate your service, your memories of Srila Prabhupada, etc. But still it's a fact that you were a diksa guru in ISKCON that, as you yourself put it elsewhere, was hijacked. 

Hijacked by whom? By the "acaryas" who, in essence, staged a coup and deceived their Godsiblings, concealed many Srila Prabhupada's documents, letters, a couple of hundreds of audio tapes from 1977 is still missing, etc. They were never appointed by Srila Prabhupada in this capacity of acaryas, according to recorded evidence, documents, and a number of eyewitnesses to whom I talked personally and heard and read many materials over last decades. 

And these people proved their falsehood as gurus by their performance beyond any doubt. They introduced deviations and committed unspoken crimes. I am familiar with that by personal experience in this so called ISKCON. So this, let's say, branch of ISKCON is certainly false, therefore I call it maya-ISKCON, since in many respects it's not ISKCON that carefully follows Srila Prabhupada's orders and standards, and, on the whole, it began to radically deviate in 1978. I hope you will agree to that. 

I agree with you that Srila Prabhupada "remains incarnate in his teachings, books, lectures, morning walks, etc., as Srila Prabhupada-vani for the next 9500 years". I think I wasn't "beating a dead horse". These issues have never been properly corrected in maya-ISKCON, and they influence many people, me included, to this very moment. I am sure we must understand what has happened so that we can find the way out of the crisis, both personally and movement-wide.

Thank you for all the pdf files you attached. One of them is the GBC minutes of May 28, 1977 from the GBC's ISKCON Journal of 1990.

I know your position regarding that conversation, and I beg to respectfully disagree. Still, putting aside these differences, can you please clarify some historical details regarding that 27-29 May, 1977 GBC meeting? As I understand, you were there at the meeting. I think it was very important as the GBCs were called to come in anticipation of Srila Prabhupada's passing away due to worsening of his health, and in fact it became the last GBC meeting held during his manifested presence, as far as I know. It's an affair that took place long ago, but I hope you can remember some of the following details:

1) What was Tamal Krishna's role in preparing the original 5 questions for 28 May discussion with Srila Prabhupada? Did Tamal try to influence their formulation?
2) Why they included questions #3 & #4 about initiations? Why ask "what is the relationship of the person who gives this initiation to the person who gives it to"?
3) Was there any mention in the course of GBC discussion regarding initiations via representatives system?
4) Did anybody among GBCs mention something about what to do with the Direction of Management that was being included in some of the bylaws (ISKCON Bay Area, etc.)?
5) Why they decided to send several men delegation to Srila Prabhupada? How many of them actually visited the room? I guess all the GBCs could visit Srila Prabhupada and witness his answers and seek for any clarification. Was Srila Prabhupada's room really so small that they decided to send a delegation?
6) In ITV's video Disciple of My Disciple Giriraja says that after the conversation with Srila Prabhupada Satsvarupa later came out and told the other GBCs what were Srila Prabhupada's answers. So why they didn't ask to listen to the tape and just signed something they weren't witnesses to? Didn't they got any further questions?
7) Can you clarify why the printed version of the May 27-29, 1977 GBC report that was sent out throught the BBT newsletter differs from the handwritten one? Why the issue of future initiations was completely omitted in the printed version that was sent out to ISKCON?
8) Was the difference between the handwritten and the printed versions of the GBC report noticed by you at that time or soon, or by any other GBCs that you may know of? Did you note that the printed version of the report differs from the handwritten one not only on the point of initiations but also on BBT issue? So who do you think made these omission/change in the printed version of the GBC report?
9) What was discussed on May 29th during the last day of the GBC meetings? Were there any additional discussions? Why they finished the meetings if they didn't get clarifications for many details?
10) If they thought Srila Prabhupada said he will appoint some initiating gurus, how is it that they didn't get any questions regarding who is so much qualified to become the next acarya(s), what should be numerous details of the new guru system, etc. Why the questions regarding these details weren't asked to Srila Prabhupada in spring, summer or autumn of 1977, and as a result they had to go to B. R. Sridhara Maharaja to ask them in 1978? Isn't it strange?

It's all too strange to me: strange list of questions, they were strangely asked during the conversation (why Satsvarupa didn't mention sannyasa initiations from the prepared list, why he introduced the mention of the original GBCs in the section where GBC future was discussed, etc.), they were strangely reported and dealt with by the GBC meeting and then strangely reported to ISKCON and later strangely interpreted as some sort of great evidence. This was perhaps the most important GBC meeting of all and maybe it was the last chance to clarify ISKCON's future...

Can you please answer the above questions, it's important for me, and it seems no one else, that I know of, is left who can answer them. I am afraid that senior disciples of Srila Prabhupada may soon pass away and the fog regarding some questions will never be clarified, unless they are honestly answered by the remaining disciples.

Thank you in advance.

Your servant, ASD

Rupanuga's reply:

The reason I proposed to initiate was to level the playing field. Those of us not initiating were at a distinct disadvantage to manage what Srila Prabhupada gave us because the new disciples were under the guru's control. You cannot imagine how after Srila Prabhupada disappeared, the members of the GBC who were initiating, turned against the rest of us. The Raksasas who are in control of this planet were waiting in the wings to pounce on their false egos. Face it, the Raksasas are still in control, especially Iskcon, certainly their number one target, since no one else has any idea what the hell is going on?

You may "respectfully disagree" with what is actually recorded. You make the same interpretation that the rtviks and some others make. Do you think that after serving Srila Prabhupada as GBC from its first day I would not have the intelligence to understand such an important direction from His Divine Grace, having exchanged 100 letters with him and had many conversations with him directly? 

Do you think I am such a fool that I would not be able to understand his final instructions to me? I was in a real sense fortunate not to be named. Why? Practically speaking I had just given up sannyas in 1974 after two years and returned to my wife. The details of this event are beyond your ken. But how could Srila Prabhupada appoint a fallen sannyasi? Even though I was senior to all of them except Satsvarupa, who had joined 2 months before me. Remember, he said "I have chosen my best men to be GBC." What does that say for the rest of us? I offered to resign when I gave up sannyas, but Srila Prabhupada wouldn't have it, and you will never understand why he didn't.

You will believe from me only what you want to believe, so why bother asking me?
Now in my 85th year, I have no time to waste. Srila Prabhupada is protecting me as long as I tell the truth, that is a fact. Endless investigations are useless because Srila Prabhupada-vani is in charge of the real movement, the one he brought to America, the true parampara.

Better to spend your intelligence and time preaching Prabhupada direct, to whom it matters. Reformers need to reform themselves first, and then pass on what they have understood from His Divine Grace, without changing it. The world, as predicted by Srila Prabhupada, is on the way to a cleansing disaster, which will reveal the golden age more and more. Why not be a part in that preparation, and become spiritually and materially self-sufficient? 

 Why get stuck on the tar-baby of Iskcon and its reactive denominations? Why not follow Bhaktivinode Thakur's admonition to let the past sleep, nor dwell on the future at all, but act in times that are with thee, and progress thou shalt call? We owe it to Srila Prabhupada, to carry on his mission, without being distracted by revisionists, separatists, reformers, etal.

The truth is in the uninterpolated books, room conversations, morning walks, letters and lectures. All of this is already vijnana--realized knowledge; everything Srila Prabhupada gave us is already realized knowledge. This is a very important point! Anyone can become a spiritual master if they don't change anything or cheat anyone. There are grades of spiritual masters just as there are grades of pure devotees and "grades" of rasas. There are always some better than others and Lord Krishna's is just and absolute about it.

May I suggest that you come and see me, but the answers to your questions would take volumes if I attempt to write them and you need the opportunity to ask questions as they come to your mind. Or maybe a zoom? Hare Krishna.

Your servant,

Rupanuga das, ACBSP

My Reply:

Dear Rupanuga Prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Wait a minute, it was you who sent me GBC's ISKCON Journal pages with their nonsense handwritten minutes that contradict the recorded tape. And then you decline to answer questions about it? Why do you send out this handwritten minutes book? Why not mention that there was another, printed version of it that was actually sent out to ISKCON? How is it that GBC signed one thing, and ISKCON got another version of the minutes with serious omissions/changes?

Why you don't also send out July 9th, 1977 directive to all TP's and GBC's signed by Srila Prabhupada which is his last written order in regards to initiations in ISKCON, or his Final Will, 1977 letters on initiations, the actual tape recordings of 1977 (not only May 28, 1977, but also July 7, July 19, 1977, etc.), newly published 1977 ritvik letters by Tamal Krishna (like July 12, 1977, July 22, 1977), eyewitnesses testimonies of a number of devotees who were there with Srila Prabhupada or visited him in spring, summer and fall of 1977 and who say that Srila Prabhupada clearly intended ritvik system of initiations to be continued in ISKCON after his physical departure (like Yasoda nandana, Gauridas Pandit, Gargamuni, Cyavana Swami, Pita, etc.)? Do you think all of them are fools?

You were there during 28 May, 1977 meeting, alright. But I too have ears to hear the recorded tape. It supports ritvik initiations after departure, "especially when you are no longer with us"! I didn't "disagree" with it. I have carefully heard and studied it a number of times. 

It may not be easy to understand something immediately at that time in 1977, especially when some others were hiding or distorting Srila Prabhupada's instructions, but now we have much more available evidence that clearly point to the ritvik initiations. Why stick to the old wrong understanding? How is it that July 9th, 1977 letter refers to the May GBC meeting: "Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupad indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "rittik"—representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. 

His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity" — and nothing, not a word is mentioned that Srila Prabhupada supposedly appointed them as diksa gurus now or after the departure? And nothing about successor gurus or their own disciples in the Final Will, instead Srila Prabhupada stated that future executive directors of ISKCON property, even their "successors", must be "my initiated disciple[s]". 

By sending out the handwritten minutes you essentially indicate that 11 people were appointed by Srila Prabhupada as initiating gurus? And you do so now, after having already claimed they hijacked the GBC and ISKCON?? Am I right? I just try to understand why do you send these minutes? And at the same time you are basically telling that ISKCON is now controlled or influenced by raksasas (and it is controlled by those pseudo gurus, old and new ones)?? Do you think Srila Prabhupada appointed 11 acaryas who succumbed to raksasa influence, horrible deviations and crimes and disgraced ISKCON all over the world? I am sure they disobeyed Srila Prabhupada and they were never authorized as initiating gurus.

You left maya-ISKCON, and you tell to preach about Srila Prabhupada and Krishna. That's alright, but some questions come to my mind like who is the guru to whom new people should surrender? Who is their savior? Whose instructions should they concentrate on? Whose pranama they should chant? Whom they should offer food, service, etc. as their via medium representative of Lord Krishna? Who is their initiating guru who will accept their sinful reactions? Do you initiate people yourself as your disciples? Or who is that current link diksa guru now? If not Srila Prabhupada as the current link guru and his ritvik system of initiations, then what exactly?

Next, you say, "The reason I proposed to initiate was to level the playing field". That is, you decided to became one of their gurus because you felt some disadvantage in ISKCON compared to the already existed gurus. This is understandable, in a sense, but is this really proper reason for becoming initiating guru sampradaya link? Do you seriously refer to this as a valid reason? What advantage did you get, I wonder? In the net result you left soon anyway. Didn't you think that you would become implicated in their strange, clearly bogus guru system?

It's not just me who said that you were an ISKCON initiating guru. E.g. GBC website Dandavats has an article by Nrisimhananda das "History of Diksa Guru in ISKCON 1978-2014 – Revised": http://www.dandavats.com/?p=12630

It mentions you as one of the "appointed" ISKCON gurus and then as one of the "suspended" ones. And you basically confirmed it.

What about the fact Srila Prabhupada never authorized ISKCON's GBC to elect new diksa gurus? Where is that clear order to the GBC to elect future initiating gurus in ISKCON? Where are Srila Prabhupada instructions regarding multiple details of that system in ISKCON? Can you quote it? Srila Prabhupada himself didn't get guru position in the hijacked Gaudiya Matha. He didn't recognize the first GBC elected bogus acarya Ananta Vasudeva (who got 8 votes out of 13), or Bhakti Vilas Tirtha, or others from their camps. 

He said he never was with any of their deviated groups. Should I quote from Srila Prabhupada's 28 April, 1974 letter to you that none of his Godbrothers are actually qualified to become acarya, that they began this guru affair when they "unauthorizedly selected" the next acarya and that we shouldn't repeat their mistake of unqualified gurus in our ISKCON camp? Were you self-realized soul and authorized by Srila Prabhupada to become a diksa guru in ISKCON? He said when he will say "Now you become acarya. You become authorized" (22 April, 1977 conversation) then his disciple can become the next acarya/diksa-guru. Did he order that to you?

Several years ago Bhakti Vikasa Swami presented a lecture by you on his web site where you said that "Srila Prabhupada did appoint eleven madhyama-adhikaris to become diksa gurus." Do you still think so? How does it relate to your statements that they hijacked GBC and ISKCON? They were appointed as diksa gurus, but those Prabhupada appointed bona fide gurus hijacked ISKCON? I just can't see the logic here. What is your exact stance? It seems contradictory to me. If you still think Srila Prabhupada appointed them as diksa gurus and that his ritvik instructions should not be followed, then I must say that you are certainly on a very wrong path. Why follow it? I don't mean any offence, but seriously, why follow it now?

If you wrote to me to say that you didn't initiate disciples, I knew it, and I never claimed that you initiated any amount of disciples, and I am not going to say that. I know that you weren't in the inner criminal circle, but still it's a historical fact that you became an ISKCON initiating guru in 1980s and then left. I know about raksasas that try to control big banks, corporations, the whole world and ISKCON, and I do preach to new people about Srila Prabhupada and Krishna. I don't use Zoom.

Thank you. Sincerely and wishing you all good luck.

YS, ASD

Rupanuga's reply:

To each his own. Apply all the logic and reason you want. But don't worry too much about truth and falsity. It all comes out at the time of death for everyone, when it's all about our standing at Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet in the eyes of Lord Krishna. In the meantime, is it not best to help other individuals understand Srila Prabhupada's mission for themselves and their destiny?

Never mind the machinations of mice and men, prisoners of time and space. No one must go through Iskcon, the GBC or anything else, if they have Srila Prabhupada's original books and lectures. If the books are a problem, the lectures are there, direct association.

We share our love for Srila Prabhupada by convincing others to hear him reveal Lord Krishna.

Srila Prabhupada-vani can speak for himself. He is the most quoted, photographed personality in the world. He cannot be controlled by the conditioned souls of this planet. All glories to Srila Prabhupada and to hell with the complex illusions of this place. We have him, and he has Krishna.

Your servant,
Rupanuga das, ACBSP

My final comment: Unfortunately, I didn't hear practically anything substantial from Rupanuga prabhu.

PADA: People who are not self realized cannot be diksha gurus, or parampara acharyas. Srila Prabhupada knew that, and he told us that over and over. To say Srila Prabhupada ordered conditioned souls to become viewed as Krishna's successors or diksha gurus in the parampara -- is false. 

A conditioned soul is not, was not, could not have been Krishna's successor. And when conditioned souls absorb sins from other conditioned souls by artificially declaring they are diksha gurus, they get sick, fall down, or both, and / or die prematurely, which is what happened to all of the 11. Rupanuga was "right there" when Srila Prabhupada said conditioned souls can absorb sins from thousands of other people? Nope, he never said that. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

No Rest for the Dead / Mathura Pati 06 15 24

https://www.gofundme.com/f/honoring-sudharma-support-her-final-journey?

Our dear friend and valiant servant of Srila Prabhupada, Sudharma dasi, has left us just after 11:00pm EDT on June 14, 2024 in Alachua, FL from cardiac arrest.

Sudharma devi dasi took initiation from Srila Prabhupada in 1976. In her nearly 50 years of devotional life she served as a sankirtana devotee, sankirtana leader, temple board member in Philadelphia and Alachua temples, temple president in the Philippines, itinerant preacher in the Pacific Northwest and in Southeast Asia where she helped to develop congregational communities from devotees homes. 

She developed and managed the book distribution at Srila Prabhupada’s Palace in New Vrindavan, where she personally distributed many hundreds of Srila Prabhupada’s books each week.

She served as the ISKCON Communications Director for North America, a member of the ISKCON Foundation, the founder of the North American and International GBC Women’s Ministry (now known as the Vaishnavi Ministry), and a North American GBC / TP Executive Officer for six years.

She established and ran the after school program at the Alachua Learning Academy for several years, developing many elaborate programs, field trips, and other activities for the children, whom she truly loved.

She was the wife of Sundararupa Prabhu who was initiated in 1974, and served as a preacher in our movement, passing on in 2008. She had two daughters. Prema is working on her PhD at the University of Florida, while her older sister Braja graduated with a Master’s Degree from Goddard College in Vermont.

Even though very ill the past few years, Sudharma developed a radio platform but was not able to fulfill the broad vision she had for the project.

She felt a great deal of gratitude and affection for Srila Prabhupada and the devotees for her services, association, meditations, and the Srimad-Bhagavatam.

Sudharma lived on a fixed income that didn't always cover her medical expenses therefore there are no funds for the cremation or memorial. Also we would like to extend some help to her daughters, who both are without their father.

A memorial will be held at the ISKCON Alachua temple on a Sunday between 1pm and 4pm EDT, but the Sunday has not yet been decided. Those who would like to participate by Zoom can contact Pranada at pranadacomtois at gmail dot com.

If we can collect more than the target it will greatly help Prema.

Thank you in advance for helping give this special Vaishnavi a proper farewell. Hare Krsna.

PADA: Yep, while ISKCON's Jet Set swamis fly around to various luxury facilities, to eat opulent feasts cooked by many servants, the peons have "not enough money to cover their medical expenses" and no money to bury their dead. Told ya! 

Anyway! God speed spirit soul, your work here is done, may you get Krishna's blessings. 

ys pd

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NADIA MYLES: Dear Friends; I am going through a series of chemotherapy. I didn’t realize how severe it would get after the third treatment and I have five more to go. I need some care at my house, with some cooking, and help with personal care (changing the bedding) and some light laundry and cleaning. I thought I could do this myself but now I see that it is way more devastating than I ever imagined! The effects of the chemo are accumulative. We can discuss an amount for me to pay you for your care. I have children that are not able to help me right now. 

After the chemo, I have to have the entire bladder removed, which would be five days in the hospital! Is there anyone that could come and stay here to care for me? I have always been self-sufficient and taken care of everyone else but this time I need some help... please contact me if you are able to help me at this most precarious time of my life. I am still chanting my rounds and reading…. You would have your own beautiful room and bathroom here and there is 5 acres of beautiful land.. Thank you for any response today. Hare Krishna!

PADA: Sheesh pilgrims! Is there any help on the horizon for these peons? If anyone can help this lady (in Alachua I think) please do! Yeah I know, another cancer process with little help, at a time when this person needs mega-help. Very sad! 

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krishna1008: Mathura Pati and His FBI Most Wanted Pal 04 25 24

PADA: Thanks prabhu for your comment that Mathura Pati is very angry with PADA for "making up lies." Well maybe, but he recently admits to a mutual contact that indeed -- he is promoting Radhanath's cheer leader Bhakta das, and he is still promoting the HKC Jaipur people who have been citing Bhavananda's bucket boy Hari Sauri. Yep, anyone who helps create Auschwitz for kids is the person they bow down to -- and lick their jack boots. They have found their shiksha guru master! 

We said Mathura Pati is with the man - boy sex messiahs club's cheer leaders, and he even admits to our associate -- he is. And we have seen him red handed citing Bhakta das. It seems to me he is just angry he is being exposed. 

Then we said he lied when he claims he wanted original books, and once again we are right, he is promoting Purujit, who is changing the books. And Purujit is being advertised as "The Jayadvaita of the ritviks" by some. Mathura Pati is angry at himself. He does not like us, because we are making original books -- and we are not promoting his book changer pals. He says we are liars, and Tamal says we are liars, they are a club.

If he says we are making all this up, but then he is openly doing what we said he is doing, he is simply fighting his own shadow. He is angry we exposed him and his man - boy sex messiahs club connections; his book changing connections; and his HKC Jaipur friends who are promoting Hari Sauri, the person who helped make Auschwitz for kids in Mayapur. 

He has never provided a shred of evidence we are making any of this up. But all of these same compromised folks have been angry with PADA the whole time, nothing new here. Our job is to expose these folks, and we are. Srila Prabhupada says -- a fool is angry when he is exposed. He does not need to respond with anger, he needs to respond with an explanation. And if he does not explain this, we will explain it for him.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com     

Lord Rama Lila (VIDEO)

 

Krishna is worshiped as namo brahmanya-devaya. His first business is to give protection to the cows and the brahmanas. (Srila Prabhupada letter, June 16, 1974)#vrindavan #vrindavanchandrodayamandir #Krishna #Radha #HareKrishna #SrilaPrabhupada #Surabhi #Gaushala #cows… pic.twitter.com/Bs7iW61Rbl

— Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir (@VCMVrindavan) June 14, 2024

ISKCON Promotes False Avatar / Rupanuga Writes Wrongs

Dear Mr. PADA: This poster display was arranged right outside our ISKCON temple room door as devotees / people enter altar room in ISKCON Illinois. This temple is under the management of Radhanath and Anuttama, and has all sorts of Hindu-ism programs going on left, right and center. And it just gets worse. 

Certainly, Srila Prabhupada did not want ISKCON to promote these bogus Hindu God men, which ISKCON is doing more and more. It is so sad that Srila Prabhupada's legacy is being turned into a Hindu guru and avatar circus under these bogus GBC men. Srila Prabhupada must be furious with the disaster they are making in the name of his society. 

The only improvement is ... these Hindu God men are probably not homosexuals and pedophiles, so this might actually help ISKCON have higher guru standards. It certainly cannot get much worse.  

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"I don't want a Hindu temple. Our constitution is different. We want everyone. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is for everyone. It is not a Hindu propaganda. People may not misunderstand. And actually, until now in our society there is not a single other Hindu than me. (laughter) Is that not? Is there any Hindu?"
(Srila Prabhupada, conversation at New Vrindavana, June 9, 1969)

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*** Avadhoota Datta Peethadhipati Jagadguru Parama Pūjya Śrī Śrī Śrī Ganapathy Sachchidananda Swamiji was born in Karnataka in1942. Pūjya Śrī Swamiji is revered as incarnation of Datātreya. Since HIS childhood, Pūjya Śrī Swamiji has been serving humanity by providing spiritual counsel and guiding them. Through HIS aṣṭa siddhis, Pūjya Śrī Swamiji has been able to envision people’s past, present, and future, understand their situations and empowers them to overcome their difficulties. 

The Datta Kriya Yoga Centers established by HIM help people recover from various ailments around the world. Pūjya Śrī Swamiji is a gifted musician and has composed more than 5000 Bhajans and devotional songs in various languages including Sanskrit, Kannada, Telugu and Hindi in praise of various deities which have the power of healing the masses physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.

*** As one of the rare living Avataras … His Holiness Parama Pujya Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji is the Pontiff of Avadhoota Datta Peetham at Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Ashrama in Mysore, India.

Sri Swamiji is renowned for His Healing and Meditation music and He is considered a divine guide who cultivates the ancient Vedic traditions. He was born fully realised in command of the eight Mahasiddhis and is a Guru in the Dattatreya Avadhoota lineage.

Sri Swamiji honours all religions and teaches that it’s possible to reach God by many paths. “It is of primary importance to attune with God through prayer, worship and the chanting of God’s holy names”. “Then God Himself will give you good guidance” says Sri Swamiji.

PADA: Sheesh pilgrims. 

Right in front of the congregation in ISKCON Illinois is this posted advertisement for "The Incarnation of Dattatreya who can heal sick people and perform other miracles." This temple is under the authority of Anuttama and Radhanath, and is basically full of Hindus. It looks more and more like the GBC is just fed up with the Westerner complainers and they want to work with the compromised Hindus. Last year they hosted a Bhagavat Sapta guy from India at various ISKCON temples in NA, it is going that way. I think they know the jig is up with the Western folks and so they are cultivating another cultural group so they can ignore the Westerners completely. Radhanath folks were also handing out some Hindu Yogi's book at their Eco village. What does it look like? They are not just having a communicating problem, they are just ignoring the Western complainers so they can exploit another cultural congregation as a source of income. Notice, they are advertising this guy's Gita, while spending crores suing us for printing the original Prabhupada Gita. ys pd

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GOVINDA DASI:

RUPANUGA PRABHU IS OUR SENIORMOST SRILA PRABHUPADA DISCIPLE. 

He served on Srila Prabhupada’s GBC for over 30 years, and had more direct contact and association with Srila Prabhupada than all the rest of them together.  He is now in his early 80’s and has the wisdom of maturity and a lifetime of sincere devotion to Srila Prabhupada. He never chose to act as an initiating  guru although that option was there for him. Instead he chose to serve Srila Prabhupada’s original mission based on love and trust.

PADA: Yes, Rupanuga chose to help the GBC promote their illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's project, that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas. 

Maybe we should hear what he has to say about such important issues…….

RUPANUGA PRABHU WRITES:

 SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BATTLEFIELD COMMISSIONS

"Actually, I have not given any of you sannyas. But I am in a war with Maya, the material energy, and I need leaders.  It is called in wartime, 'battlefield commission.'

There are no qualified leaders, but someone has to lead the charge.  So, you take every fifth man, 'You are now lieutenant of the squad.'  He is really a private, but we make him lieutenant for the day and he leads the charge. It is to be understood that you are not sufficiently equipped for this fight and most of you will go down."

(Srila Prabhupada Conv., July 1976)

It has been revealed by witnesses that six months later, at The Kumba Mela in mid-January, 1977, there was a meeting of all the sannyasis present there, 35-40 of them, with Srila Prabhupada. The witnesses report that Srila Prabhupada was very angry and was loudly chastising them, saying: "This is not sannyas! This is not meaning of sannyas; you are making a mockery of sannyas!"  He demanded that no more sannyasis be created, as he also demanded in the January 7th meeting, a week before the Kumba Mela.

PADA: Then why did Rupanuga help them claim to be God's successors one year later, in January of 1978, knowing they are making a mockery of sannyasa?

In the conversation on Jan. 7th 1977, Srila Prabhupada told Jagadisa GBC, and Trivikram Maharaj, Hari Sauri, Palika dasi, Dr. Patel, who were also present: "But this hypocrisy should be stopped.  First of all, there will be no sannyasi anymore.  I have got very bad experience. 

And, at least we are not going to create new sannyasis.  And those who have fallen, let them marry, live like respectable gentlemen.  I have no objection.  After all, young man, fallen down—that's all right.  It is by nature's way.  But marry that girl..." (page 331, Vol 28, Conv. Books.)

PADA: Yeah, not fit for sannyasa, therefore for sure not fit to be acharyas.

Earlier, during that same conversation, page 318, he also said: "This should be strictly outlawed, no more sannyasis.  And those who have fallen, you get them married..."  Srila Prabhupada went into considerable detail regarding his reasons during this conversation.  And there were no recommendations for sannyas that upcoming Gaurpurnima on March 5th1977, as was previously usually given to Srila Prabhupada at Gaurpurnima time.  

However, he gave three sannyas initiations on May 29th 1977, to Bhakticaru, Premabhakti and Bhakticaitanya, all Bengalis, in Vrindavan, the very day after the May 28th GBC meeting! Bhakticaru Swami had just met Srila Prabhupada four months earlier and was receiving sannyas, first, and second initiations all at one time!

PADA: And Bhakti caru was one of the biggest promoters of the GBC gurus like Jayapataka of Mayapur, where mass child abuse, including rapes of children, was rampant. 

These three sannyas initiations are erroneously cited as proof that Srila Prabhupada was rescinding his order to discontinue sannyas in Iskcon.  But it was his prerogative to make exceptions to the rule he had made a few months before.  Why did he?  To strengthen the Indian Yatra? (Note, they were all Bengalis.)  

But this does not change the fact that he ordered the devotees--..."there will be no sannyasi anymore.  I have got very bad experience." "This should be strictly outlawed, no more sannyas." (Jan. 7th 1977)  Those who are doubtful should read these conversations, which were quite descriptive and definitive, not tentative or temporary.

It was Srila Prabhupada's prerogative to make an exception, but that exception was later used as an excuse to continue sannyas initiations everywhere after his disappearance.  And the exception was made the rule—surreptitiously.  This is cheating, and the result has been the continual evolution of an unauthorized elitist priesthood with wealth, followers and prestige.  But the truth is, Srila Prabhupada stopped his sannyasi "battlefield commissions" BEFORE HE LEFT.

PADA: Correct, they are not fit for sannyasa, therefore -- they are therefore not fit to be gurus.

During this January 7th conversation, Srila Prabhupada also spoke strongly and positively about the grihastha ashram.  Actually, the history is that the movement was initially spread by grihasthas, and the whole GBC was originally all grhasthas. None of the above information was passed on to the rest of the GBC, or to the general devotees, and therefore nothing was done about it.  Nothing has been done about it still, till this day!

PADA: Right, so in addition to not being qualified for a basic sadhana process, they are also hiding and changing the instructions. That makes them double duty not qualified to be gurus.

And when Tamal Krishna took sannyas, Srila Prabhupada wanted him replaced on the GBC, but he refused to leave.  That is a fact; I was there, but Srila Prabhupada knew how far he could bend certain bamboos without breaking them, and Tamal Krishna could not bend very far, so he didn’t insist.

PADA: Right, Tamal was not actually inclined to follow Srila Prabhupada's actual instructions, so why did the GBC make him an acharya?

On May 27th 1977, there is this quote:

This conversation on May 27th was the day before the May 28th yearly meeting of the GBC, during which Srila Prabhupada stated he would name some of his senior disciples to become "regular gurus" at the time when he was no longer present, or 'officiating acaryas' while he was still present.  

PADA: Where does Srila Prabhupada say that any of his men will be "regular diksha gurus" and able to absorb the sins of conditioned souls? And on May 28th no one is named to be guru, it just says "when I order," and he also said "when the training is complete" -- but no order is given.

Six of the devotees present during the above May 27th conversation quoted in the picture, Jayapataka, Bhavananda, Jayatirtha, Ramesvar, Tamal Krishna and Harikesa, (from the Conversation book), were then picked, one after another, and appeared on the list given by Srila Prabhupada on July 9th.

PADA: The July 9th letter does not appoint these people as gurus.

This statement above-- "Among yourselves, there is no strong man.  That is the defect.  All like child.  That is the defect." --this statement substantiates that they were also battlefield commissions appointed in the July 9th letter.

PADA: OK they are neophytes, like children, not fit for sannyasa, must be replaced when they deviate, therefore -- not fit to be gurus.

Srila Prabhupada had also said back on May 19th 1976: "I have chosen my best men to be GBC." ("To all Governing Board Commissioners"--a memo).  This means that on May 28th 1977, he was picking again from those same best men.  

He was not responsible for what they did after he disappeared.  They had their free-will and they chose to elevate themselves artificially to Acarya, instead of acting as regular gurus, which Srila Prabhupada actually authorized them to do.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada never detailed that there is a class of diksha gurus called "regular gurus," who can fall down into deviations left, right and center. He never said that these 11 would be diksha gurus, and be worshiped, take sins etc. None of this was ever described or authorized. 

If these were among his best men, what does that say about the rest of us?

May 19th 1976:  "I have chosen my best men to be GBC."

July, 1976:  'battlefield commissions'

Jan. 7th 1977:  "This should be strictly outlawed; no more sannyas."

Mid-Jan. 1977:  Kumba Mela, Srila Prabhupada shouting at 30-40 sannyasis.

May 27th 1977:  'No big men among you; all like child.'

May 28th 1977:  'I will name some of you; regular gurus.'

May 29th 1977:  Three sannyasis initiated by Srila Prabhupada.

July 9th 1977: Letter

Who can understand the mind of the Acarya?

Can his orders be changed because they cannot be followed?

Can his instructions or decisions be rewritten because of lack of faith?

What is the answer?

Hare Krishna.

Your servant,

Rupanuga das, ACBSP

PADA: Yep, Rupanuga was the GBC's deputy dealing on the phone with me and Sulochana in 1985-6. He just could not accept our idea that Kirtanananda is not fit to be worshiped as good as God, he argued with us over and over and over. And then he helped the GBC excommunicate Sulochana, and reinstate Bhavananda as Vishnupada. 

He never understood that conditioned souls cannot be worshiped as Krishna's and Srila Prabhupada's successors. Later on, we had New Vrndavana named in our $400,000,000 child mistreatment lawsuit. Everything we said was going bad there, was going bad there, and worse, and Rupanauga could not accept the reality of the problems he was creating -- even for children -- by his supporting them. 

In sum, he never should have supported the idea that deviants can be worshiped as God's successors, or any type of diksha gurus, it is forbidden by Srila Prabhupada in countless places. And it destroyed the Gaudiya Matha, and then ISKCON. Rupanuga's claim that he opposed them is not correct, he was a huge cheer leader of the 11 and people like Kirtanananda. He is trying to re-write history. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

JPS Health / Mahavishnu swami / Another Hidden Abuser 06 10 24

Jayapataka's Mass Initiations: Mayapur

Health update of
HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaja

9th June 2024 8.00PM

Hare Krishna dear disciples and well-wishers of H.H. Jayapataka Swami Maharaja,

Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to Guru Maharaja.

By the mercy of Lord Krsna, Srila Prabhupada and the prayers worldwide, Guru Maharaja was doing well with regular dialysis, but for some unexplained reason he was building up fluid in the lungs and abdomen.

Due to the fluid collection this morning Guru Maharaja complained of stomach pain and tightness in his abdomen was bloated , his oxygen level also dropped. He complained of nausea too and so he was immediately taken to the hospital for dialysis even though he had dialysis yesterday.

Today he was not able to eat due to this condition and is requiring continuous oxygen support. Since dialysis did not help to the extent required doctors are going to remove fluid by tapping the lungs at the time this message goes out.

We humbly request devotees to continue prayers for the health of Guru Maharaja.

On behalf of the
Health Team and
JPS Seva Committee
Maha Varaha Dās

HH Jayapataka Swami 

PADA: Yeah all of his idea of becoming a big shot "messiah of the jagat" sounded great at the beginning. Unfortunately, what is nectar in the beginning is poison at the end with material enjoyment. And all of the 11 gurus either fell down, got sick, or both, or died prematurely. And foolish people like Bhakti Vikas swami and others encourage these 11 GBC guys to take karma, which is causing them to suffer, and suffer badly. 

Not an expert here, but it seems to me that Jayapataka is suffering from gradual organ failure. And with all this mess going on, the heart and other organs are under additional stress. But the remarkable thing is, how he hangs on to the last thread? Anyone else would have just given up a long time ago. Why is he so persistent on staying here? 

Well, he probably knows that after making his illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara, of bogus Krishna's successors, the statements of the Vedas are correct. For such deviants, it would be better they never heard of the Vedas. They will go to far worse suffering and lower planets than the common man. I feel bad for the guy. I told him not to take karma, and he laughed at me. I don't think he is laughing now. All this karma is catching up to him, big time. 

Generally fluid build up and lack of oxygen are symptoms that his days are numbered. And that is why they say -- don't live, and don't die. Living is suffering and when you die -- you will have to answer for making Mayapur into Auschwitz for kids etc. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com  

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AD: I Had a discussion 27 years ago with the crazy dressing Mahavishnu swami: I was telling him that Srila Prabhupada is recommending in his books that the guru must be an uttama adhikari to get full spiritual know and guidance to go back to Godhead. He was constantly interrupting me telling me that in one passage of the Nectar of instructions Prabhupada says that a kanishta can be guru. 

I tried few times to tell him that that sentence is part of a paragraph in which Prabhupada tells us that the guidance of a kanishta or even madhyam guru is insufficient, and that therefore we have to be careful to choose an uttama as guru. 

He was not listening at all, his main point was that a kanishta can be guru, I couldn't even tell him what Prabhupada was saying... he wouldn't allow me me to continue,. he was insisting that a kanishta can be a guru..

Such was, and still is MVS understanding and preaching philosophy about guru position in Iskcon. Clearly he, himself, is a kanishta, attached to his position with no realisation. He is so attached to his weird hats, shoes, dresses etc. that even at the age of 75 cannot detach himself from this hippy stuff.

These are the kind of gurus we have in iskcon. No surprised that Mvs behaved so badly towards the devotee mother and her child. A guy like Mahavishnu swami is not only lacking in spiritual realisation, he is also lacking in human feelings.
And the worst is that there are hundreds, if not thousands of naive brainwashed devotees that follows this guy considering him a great advanced devotee.

LD: "... However, one should not imitate the behavior of an advanced devotee or maha-bhagavata without being self-realized, for by such imitation one will eventually become degraded.

In this verse Srila Rupa Gosvami advises the devotee to be intelligent enough to distinguish between the kanishtha-adhikari, madhyama-adhikari and uttama-adhikari. The devotee should also know his own position and should not try to imitate a devotee situated on a higher platform. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has given some practical hints to the effect that an uttama-adhikari Vaishnava can be recognized by his ability to convert many fallen souls to Vaishnavism. ONE SHOULD NOT BECOME A SPIRITUAL MASTER UNLESS HE HAS ATTAINED THE PLATFORM OF UTTAMA-ADHIKARI .

A neophyte Vaishnava or a Vaishnava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but SUCH DISCIPLES MUST BE ON THE SAME PLATFORM , and it should be understood that they cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance. THEREFORE A DISCIPLE SHOULD BE CAREFUL TO ACCEPT AN UTTAMA-ADHIKARI AS A SPIRITUAL MASTER."

Nectar of Instruction (Upadeśāmṛta) -

by HDG Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada:
NOI Verse 5 purport 

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S Dasa -- Teka Lal Basyal, also known as Tirtha Gauranga Dasa (initiated by Prabhavisnu) over the course of a couple of decades, raped young boys in the Vrindavana Gurukula when he was also an older student; he sexually harassed a number of women in Sydney; he sexually abused two girls in Adelaide. He was involved in sexual assault or harrasment cases in the UK.

The situation concerning Tirtha Gauranga is profoundly troubling. The information surrounding his past offending in Vrindavana and the UK was never provided to the CPO or any temple authorities outside of his home temple or the offending temples, so by the time he had come to Australia and was offending again, the damage had already been done. Still ISKCON Australia authorities are failing to protect women and children in Sydney, by allowing him to begin to go unchecked back into the Temple.

He was found guilty of child abuse by the ISKCON CPO, while serving as a pujari at the ISKCON temple in Adelaide under ISKCON. As a priest entrusted with safeguarding the welfare of the temple's children, his betrayal of that trust is appalling. It is crucial that a resolute stance is taken against such reprehensible behaviour. Decisive action must be implemented to deliver justice to the victims and establish measures that prevent future incidents. Moreover, it is imperative to ensure Teka Lal Basyal / Tirtha Gauranga, remains barred from all ISKCON temples and centres globally.

At the time of the events in Adelaide, complaints were lodged with both local authorities, namely Families SA (as it was known then) and the SA Police. However, the progress of investigations was obstructed by three influential individuals within ISKCON: Aniruddha, Prabhavishnu (who was then the GBC and Tirtha Gauranga's guru), and Vijay Gopikesh (who was serving in Sydney and provided shelter to Tirtha Gauranga, after he was being apprehended by ISKCON Adelaide for his suspected abuse of children there). 

Despite attempts to involve law enforcement, cooperation was hindered, leading to limited action as he was getting shelter in another state and state police were bound under South Australia jurisdiction. A pedophile restraining order was considered but would only cover Tirtha Gauranga if he entered back into South Australia.

In 2017, Vara Nayaka, who was then the President of the ISKCON Sydney Temple and had already suspended Tirtha Gauranga from temple activities due to similar allegations, sought additional information. Aniruddha confirmed his awareness of incidents in Adelaide but admitted to suppressing further investigations.

An independent investigation led by Ambika and Venugopal, was requested to preface CPO Officers investigation. This is not in keeping with ISKCON’s protocols for zero tolerance towards abuse and the protocol to send all abuse claims straight to the CPO. Ramai Swami tried very hard to stop even this investigation. The independent investigation uncovered child protection concerns in Adelaide and confirmed that two girls had been abused. 

The Australian CPO went on to confirm those findings and placed a five-year ban on Tirtha Gauranga of attending ISKCON. However, his troubling history includes expulsion from the Vrindavan Gurukula for sexually assaulting younger students, undisclosed incidents in England, and further allegations in Sydney against adult women as well.

It's disappointing that despite the suspension and stringent restrictions imposed on him, the wider ISKCON congregation in Sydney and Australia have never been informed. Tirtha Gauranga continued to actively participate in temple activities at New Gokula Farm, leading kirtans, delivering talks, and overseeing abhisheka and deity worship, even during major festivals, throughout his suspension period. He has showed no regard for the restrictions placed on him, regularly engaging in congregational activities across Sydney, including those promoted as ISKCON events, conducting pujas and yajnas, leading kirtans, and delivering lectures. 

He intentionally deceived the congregation and devotees by concealing his suspension and the accompanying restrictions. Furthermore, beyond the Sydney Temple management, only a scant few were privy to his suspension, the accompanying restrictions, or the gravity of the offences he had committed. The management made every effort to keep this matter under wraps.

Kali Chelas : Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur

https://krishnaconsciousnessmovement.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/HKS-PDA-Newsletter-v01-n06.pdf?

PADA: Thanks very much Bhakti vikas swami for making a nice description of your messiahs from heaven. They are afflicted with kama, krodha and lobha : lust, anger and greed. Despite being proud of big buildings, some of them cannot sleep without taking a lot of Vodka and psychotropics. And from the looks of your photo, they are going to hell by doing all these deviations in the name of acharyas. Hee hee, yep. 

Someone just told me a rather horrific tale of their GBC's guru having an affair with a minor aged female, which caused considerable trouble for that female. And worse, one of the followers told this guru about his health problems -- and the guru just laughed and waved it off, and then the follower died from this health issue. 

And needless to say, this guru was not interested in hearing about the child mistreatment issue in ISKCON. And now this guru is treated as royalty in the temple and he is giving classes all the time. And the person relating all this to PADA is afraid to have me publish the whole story because they fear -- if the details come out, they will be identified -- and there will be all sorts of troublesome reactions and repercussions. In other words, the GBC program is basically a goonda operation.

Another person wrote to tell me that ISKCON is factually a child sacrifice cult, because thousands of children had to be sacrificed to make their program operate. Cannot argue that. Anyway, people are waking up, albeit slow but sure.

Someone else wrote to complain about Madhu Pandit's program, but as we said a number of times, some form of organization is required to make temples, deities, kirtans, devotees, and more importantly -- to print books. A lot of the critics of Madhu Pandit are not doing anything substantial. Show us the better way and we will follow you -- maybe -- but we will have to see how well your program is following. 

ys pd 

angel108b@yaoho.com        

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Only those who can reject Kali’s domination and continue can become pure Vaiṣṇavas.

"The jīva who has obtained a little taste, in other words, who has a mental inclination towards hari–nāma, that jīva develops bhakti. Simply by logical reasoning one can never obtain bhakti. The Vedas have only glorified that which cannot be established by logic.

The jīvas who are afflicted by Kali do not develop a taste for hari–nāma easily. Through discrimination they have heard:

harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam
kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā

(“There is only the Name of Hari, only the Name of Hari, only the Name of Hari – there is no other way, no other way, no other way in the age of Kali” – Bṛhan Nāradīya Purāṇa 33.126)

When the mental tendency is dragged away by endeavours for brothels, wine or gold, then the Kali-inflicted jīva becomes bewildered about his duty, and while trying to save himself from the flaws of his own character, he takes shelter of different paths. Through logic he tries to show that if one does not take some amount of alcohol or meat, human strength cannot be maintained. 

He says in many ways that going to prostitutes etc. is an unavoidable human sin. He collects money by displaying deceitful bhakti. Presenting hari-nāma-kīrtana as a good deed, he creates a group to perform hari-samkīrtana with an aim to nullify plagues, epidemics and other sins. In this way, to achieve selfish ends, he goes on performing kīrtana in the cities (nāgara-kīrtana) etc. 

The karmīs engage in activities for gaining money by taking a cunning approach and saying, kṛṣṇārpanam’astu (‘May this be an offering to Kṛṣṇa’). The atheists establish an imaginary Brahman within void, or within something which is almost void, and wish to show themselves in this way as religious. 

Such deceitful activities are happening every day in the world. Again, their saying is, “Even imitating good things is also good.” By presenting such advice as this, they are increasing the number of deceitful ‘Vaiṣṇavas’ and in so doing, they are serving Kali.

Kali is at the root of all disturbances. Only those who can reject Kali’s domination and continue can become pure Vaiṣṇavas. For our individual benefit, we will consider what is Kali’s domination.

Such a description is there in Śrīmad Bhāgavata – at the time when Mahārāja Parīkṣit persecuted Kali on the strength of dharma, Kali made one request to him. Parīkṣit said, “O friend of adharma! You will not get any place in my kingdom. Four irreligious places will be given to you.”

abhyarthitas tadā tasmai sthānāni kalaye dadau
dyūtaṁ pānaṁ striyaḥ sūnā yatrādharmaś catur-vidhaḥ

(Śrimad Bhāgavatam 1.17.38)

Based on the request of Kali, the king gave four places to him. Gambling, drinking, illicit connection with women and killing animals – where these four activities go on, these places were given to Kali.

punaś ca yācamānāya jāta-rūpam adāt prabhuḥ
tato ’nṛtaṁ madaṁ kāmaṁ rajo vairaṁ ca pañcamam

(Śrimad Bhāgavatam 1.17,39)

When he requested one place where all these things, then the king also gave him gold. Dishonest conduct, intoxication, lust, passion and enmity – he also gave him these."

- Kali, article by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Sajjana Tosani, Vol. 15. issue 1, 1903

Mahatma Das "Devotee Care" / BVKS / Vrndavana Kirtan VIDEO 06 07 24

 

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PADA: Devotees don't care enough about themselves? Well yeah, thus they did not sue the GBC for fraud and take them to the legal authorities when they discovered all the child abuse. They should have cared enough about ISKCON and the children of ISKCON -- to take these issues into the hands of law enforcement / courts / media / etc. At the very least -- they could have organized a public protest with signs, as the victims of the Catholic church have done. That would have brought in media and others. One complaint I get all the time, the parents who knew remained largely silent, setting up more victims to enter the mess.

Thus, it looks like they did not care enough to resolve these issues, and so they had to be resolved -- in part -- by public scandals, fall downs, assorted beatings, murders, police raids, bad media, and by a Texas law firm -- who did a case on behalf of the victim children pro bono. 

Evidently because -- no one else even wanted to start a class action / go to lawyers / go to the police / go to the media / make public protests etc. -- to address even the single issue of the mass molesting, because --yeah -- they did not care enough. True dat!

But in the end -- they did care enough about themselves, at least enough to leave ISKCON. Hey! We are going to take care of ourselves, so we are outta here! Bye bye bad gurus! 

And so -- perhaps 99 percent of the original followers -- and 99 percent of the subsequent Hansadutta followers, and most of the local Bhagavan and Bhakti swarupa damodar folks etc. are ALSO almost all gone. And we have a mostly Hindu type group at the temple now. 

In sum, they devotees left EN MASSE -- and then took care of themselves -- albeit too little and too late to save the society and the children of that society, or in a number of cases, they could not even save themselves -- and they fell into various troubles themselves. And many of the ex-children victims are taking care of themselves, because they learned a long time ago, relying on ISKCON is faulty and even dangerous. 

ISKCON folks say they are distributing books and preaching, allegedly. But millions of books were already distributed, and yet many of the temples often have one poojari with a couple of stragglers doing the morning pooja program. The temples are generally empty, and that is because -- almost all of the former members left -- to take care of -- themselves. 

So Mahatma is partially correct, they did not care for themselves, at least initially, but eventually, many or most of them did care. They thus left Mahatma's molester messiah's program and took off -- and abandoned ISKCON. And it is easy to understand why they all left the scene of these crimes. 

Bhakti Vikas swami is discussing civilized life, forgetting -- that no civilized society worships BVKS's illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs club. Worshiping illicit sex deviants and their enablers is not done in human society. 

My Christian friends say to me that BVKS must hate God, because only a person who hates God would make deviants into God's successors. And one of them believes BVKS is a subterranean Satanic being sent to this world to drag people back to his original home on the lower regions. Is there a better explanation? Hee hee.   

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Bhakti Vikasa Swami

The Vedas are for civilized, responsible people —
A civilized human being is very much responsible life. The chance is given to get out of this cycle of birth and death. Therefore, for civilized human being, these Vedas, these scriptures, are made for them, not for the rascals and fools, those who are in the lower stage of life---only for the civilized.

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From Srila Prabhupada's lecture on SB 6.1.39-40 — Surat, December 21, 1970

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Hare Krishna Men Detained in Ukraine 06 01 24

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RUSSIA NEWS:

Hare Krishna men were detained in the Transcarpathian region of Ukraine.

Employees of the territorial center for recruitment and social support (analogous to the military registration and enlistment office), with the support of the police, detained Hare Krishna men near Mukachevo, Transcarpathian region in western Ukraine. This was reported by the Strana publication, publishing a video of the arrest, which took place next to a local sanatorium, on its Telegram channel.

According to him, several dozen military commissars and police officers prevented the Hare Krishna procession, taking the men out one by one. The detainees sang songs in the military registration and enlistment office building, the publication noted. Their number is not specified.

The day before, the executive director of the Ukrainian Helsinki Union for Human Rights, Alexander Pavlichenko, said that during martial law in the country it is impossible to refuse mobilization into the army for religious reasons.

On May 18, a scandalous law on new mobilization rules came into force in Ukraine, which will allow hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to be drafted into the army. Since February 2022, general mobilization has been announced and repeatedly extended in the country, while the authorities are doing everything possible to prevent men of military age from evading service. 

They (with a few exceptions) are prohibited from traveling abroad, and those who have the right to a deferment must present a package of documents confirming this. Subpoenas are issued in government agencies, on the streets, in shopping centers and transport. According to Ukrainian media, men are trying by all means to evade mobilization, not leaving their homes for months, trying to leave the country using fake certificates or crossing the border illegally. 

Video recordings of cases of forced mobilization and conflicts between citizens and military commissars are regularly distributed on Ukrainian social networks. Cases of beatings of men in military registration and enlistment offices periodically emerge.

PADA: Very sad. People are coming out to chant Hare Krishna, and they are evidently being recruited into the army, maybe to be sent off to war. Devotees in Russia are telling me a similar thing -- they are also keeping a low profile these days. Both Russia and Ukraine are trying to recruit people to go off to war, and unfortunately devotees are going to be involved. The karma of being placed at birth into these countries is not easy to avoid. 

In any case, they should just continue to chant Krishna's names wherever they go -- "Krishna has put me into this difficult situation, I have to deal with it, but let me not forget my connection to the Lord no matter what." Just because we are trying to become Krishna's devotees -- does not always mean we can be immediately free of the material world's trials and troubles. 

The GBC management has also been giving mixed messages -- and some of them are supporting one side or the other -- and it is making it harder to manage the situation. Srila Prabhupada says -- the current world leaders and governments are creating "a slaughterhouse civilization" and -- he is not kidding. 

The material nature is overpowering, cruel and relentless. Our only hope is -- to take full shelter of the Supreme Being and beg for His mercy, whether we are in USA, Ukraine, Russia, the heavenly or hellish planets, or anywhere else in this material universe. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com