Why Is PADA Discussing "Sewage Stool"? (i.e. ISKCON Children)

JD. Why didn't more devotees join to help you ... and your expose newsletter ... when you were reporting the ISKCON child molesting problem? It seems that hardly any of them offered to help you with this dispute. And this has had ... obviously ... a very bad result for the children of ISKCON. And for ISKCON as well.

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ISKCON is a septic tank? Brahma Tirtha das (Gainesville) 

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/10/brahma-tirtha-dasa-robert-cohen-iskcon.html

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PADA: Thanks JD. It is a little amazing that we have had to explain this over and over, but hopefully this will provide a more detailed explanation that will settle the issue more clearly.

Really, we have had the whole spectrum of devotee's reactions: the people who ignored us; the people who mildly chastised us; the people who opposed us somewhat; the people who opposed us wholesale; the people like Naranarayan das (Nathan Zakheim), Bhakta das (William Benedict) and others who said we have been writing about stinky sewage, human waste stools, and in sum "poop smelling" issues etc.; and of course who could forget -- the people who wanted to assassinate us. 

After the Windle Turley lawsuit started Naranarayan das and his GBC guru friendly cabal began to say the lawsuit is "attacking the golden body of Srila Prabhupada." Wait? A program that is banning, beating, suing, molesting and assassinating Vaishnavas is "the golden body of guru and Krishna"? Nope, this is called "cult speak," making a criminal cult into something authorized by God.

So this has been the prime method used by our opponents to suppress our complaints -- and cover up for their criminal pals. We are the poop smellers, we are the human waste sewage writers, and thus -- we are the problem -- not the perps and their regime. And it worked pretty good for their regime, they were able to cover up thousands of molesting cases, many beatings -- and some murders by advocating that the criminal regime is the "golden body" of God. And did we forget to mention, discrediting us -- and calling us liars etc. -- is also how they covered up for all these issues, including the poison issue?    

Of course this begs the question, how come a person who says: we cannot worship child molesters; we cannot allow mass molesting; we cannot allow changed books; we cannot allow crimes etc. be "writing about human sewage waste stools and poops"? And if we are writing about the status of the children of ISKCON, and that means we are writing about "smelly sewage poops," how will those children not become alienated from the religion -- if we have people opposing our containing their abuse and molesting, if not calling the children and their abuse issues "smelly poops"? 

I am writing  about your society's children, therefore I am writing about -- smelly poop? And Prahlad is chuckling, oh yea smelly poop. OK, but what kind of society says its children are compared to smelly poop? Where is the concern for their welfare? What about your society's children? Oh, you mean the smelly poop, that needs to be killed, chopped up and fed to dogs? OK tell me these people are not a diabolical child sacrifice cult (which some victims told me it is) or just Satanic child haters (which is what some of the Dallas people said about the court case). Clearly some diabolical infiltration has happened in ISKCON, and we need to beware of it.

In short, when I am writing about children and their abuse, and people are saying I am really writing about sewer poop waste, they are direct or de facto saying the children of ISKCON are a pile of poop. And I am writing about this smelly poop pile, which is made up of -- the kids of their society. All this proves I am writing about sewer material (their society's children). 

And if the children of our society are being branded as smelly poops, and writing about their problems is a giant sewage smell, then those children will naturally want to attack the religion. And that simply is what happened here. Many of them did attack the religion, after they were abused and then called ill names. That is the common sense result, because Srila Prabhupada said if we do not treat these children well -- they will rebel. 

And so, surprise, surprise, surprise! Many did rebel. No one who was paying attention would have been surprised? Some of these children live around here and they eat hamburgers and so on and so forth. They rebelled. Why would they not rebel? 

First of all -- most ISKCON leaders and rank and file "have not been helping me." Yet this has not been the actual main problem. If I am trying to put out a fire in a burning house, where people inside the house are burning up and dying, and these bystander people are simply walking by and ignoring me, that is one type of problem. 

These neglectful people would be guilty of the crime of acquiescing, allowing, facilitating and enabling the problem by their negligence, ignoring, or again -- just passively acquiescing. And various victims have called these folks "the conspiracy of silence." So I am yelling "fire, fire, fire" and these bystanders are just strolling by -- ignoring the situation, or maybe they might be admonishing me for "not chanting my rounds." Conspiracy of silence is pretty accurate.     

This is a big problem in itself -- if only one -- or a very few number of people -- are "dissenting" and trying to contain the world wide spread of a molester nests and webs cult, with thousands and thousands of followers. Big fire, one little guy with one little fire hose, maybe a few others, but not much chance of success. 

Oddly, there was once an actual big huge fire near a house where I was living upstairs. And the landlady began screaming, so I went downstairs -- to see our neighbors back yard was totally on fire with huge flames coming up the hill -- to our house. If the propane gas stove in our yard blew up, that would be the end of our house. So I grabbed the teeny little garden hose and started battling the blaze myself, and much to everyone's surprise, especially mine, I started making progress and started to push the fire back. It can work, but it rarely does.

Thus, we have the problem of one or two guys trying to put out a big blaze, while a mass of others simply walk by and do nothing -- acting like nothing is wrong. That is a problem, but it is more a problem for the victims because it means their problems continue to be ignored. 

The real bigger scale problem is -- when we have one or a few guys with little fire hoses try to put out a big fire, but aggressive and even potentially violent people are trying to halt the fire department's efforts; turning off the water, cutting the hoses, poking holes in the hoses, and trying to basically subvert and sabotage the fire department's efforts. 

Actually this happens in real life. The rioters are burning down the city. Then the fire department and the ambulances comes in to help, and they are assaulted and attacked by the angry mob -- so the fire continues and the injured folks cannot be removed from the scene. And maybe some of the firemen are injured -- or worse.

So this situation is way worse than "a conspiracy of silence." It is tossing rocks and bricks at the fire department people, sabotaging their efforts, and causing the city to burn down more and more. And this is also is what happened to us at PADA. We started writing little "position papers" starting in the early 1980s, and immediately we were being chastised for "making politics" "making controversies" "challenging Srila Prabhupada's appointed successors" -- and so forth. So our efforts were being sabotaged and suppressed -- right out of the gate.

And then our critics went from saying we are "making offenses to pure devotees" to simply saying "PADA is writing about sewage waste and stools." OK I am writing about things like -- the dire status of Srila Prabhupada's children -- and these people are claiming my writing about these children is writing about sewage waste "stools." In sum, my advocating for the children is advocating for sewage waste stools. 

Jeepers, are we surprised that a society that says -- writing about the status of its children -- is writing about sewage waste products -- and stools -- has children who will later rebel and reject that society. Yep, we should expect they will rebel and reject that society. As they should! What kind of society compares its children to sewage waste stools, and says anyone writing about the child abuse is writing about a pile of poop? 

Then we also wonder why the children were mistreated, as if an explanation is required? 

OK this process of suppressing the advocates for the children, also covers up for the molesting regime, and thus continues the abuse. It is self evident why they were mistreated, they were considered to be unwanted sewage by a sector of "the devotees." Even some ex-child victims told me EXACTLY that, we are the "varnasankara" (unwanted children). And halting or at least suppressing our efforts to contain the abuse, simply adds gasoline to the fire that the children victims are experiencing. 

It keeps the regime going by suppressing critics of the regime. Anyway, gradually we began to write more and more -- and more -- about the problems of the citizens, especially the brahmana type devotees, and the victimization of women and children. And then we gradually started to use the term "the homosexual pedophile guru parampara," which has been sort of subsequently hi-jacked and used by various other folks, even some of the people who don't really like us. 

Yep, how did you guess, complaining about the homosexual pedophile's guru parampara is simply another example of "writing about sewage stools." OK so it is fine to have homosexual pedophiles in God's guru parampara, because objecting is bogus. In fact, objecting to the worship of pedophiles as messiahs is "sewage waste."     

Needless to say, our style of writing has not been a popular issue with many devotees and that is why a lot of them were not just ignoring us, but downright trying to stop us -- or even -- desiring to have us assassinated.           

Later on there was a growing suicide epidemic and we decided to help the victims. And if we do not know "why" it is important to stop devotee children from worshiping deviants, being molested, and committing suicide, there is not much more to argue herein. Bhagavan das says that the lawsuit was like an explosion, and it was, because it forced people to wake up and realize there is a big problem under their feet here. 

The good news is, the lawsuit did curtail the suicides, and later on various victims received at least some payments. And thus a number of victims told PADA without those payments -- they would have started off their young lives out on the street with ZERO dollars and ZERO prospects for their future. Some of them told me they were already homeless and living in their cars, and the settlement money helped them get some better situations, or pay for a job training class etc. It is amazing that a number of people wanted these children to continue to commit suicide and have a destitute situation, with a number living in cars with no prospect.

Anyway after they lawsuit was filed and (a) hundreds of children were removed from GBC schools, (b) the suicide epidemic was reduced dramatically, (c) some form of payment was being issued to a number of totally destitute victims, then we had another group form to further their idea that we are "writing about stools" (the ISKCON children).   

And that group was basically being lead by Nara Narayan das (Nathan Zakheim), and was consisting of his followers like Sanat (Steve Voith) / Mukunda UK (Mark Whiteley) / and later on they recruited Prahlad das UK (Paul coats) / HKC Jaipur / Pancali (Tina Marie Kirner) -- her son Kaunteya'locana-Nrisimha Das Tumataroa-Evans / Krishna Kirtan / Michael Keith Powell / Janardan / Bhakta Peter / and an assortment of others. Yep, their society's children are stools, why are we defending piles of stools after all? "Let them all die in a bloodbath in Dallas," is what this group's position paper stated. A child molesting program is "the golden body of God," who knew! 

They all essentially agreed with their ring leader Naranarayan das -- that the GBC's child abuse project is "the golden body of Srila Prabhupada" and the child abuse should not by contained by us, and moreover the suicides should continue. Wow, worship of a child molester cult is "the golden body of Srila Prabhupada." No wonder the children got a bad idea of the religion. These are the people who gave the children a bad idea of the religion, child molesting guru programs are the golden body of the Lord. Umm, ok then, you are misleading these children. A hijacked and criminal ISKCON is -- no longer ISKCON -- in fact.  

And this group wrote a letter online and they sent copies of their letter to the "New York Times," the Dallas courts and others, saying they wanted the ISKCON children to "die in a blood bath in Dallas." And these children needed to be "killed chopped up and fed to dogs." OK so now these children are no longer simply unwanted sewage stools, they are sewage material that needs to be actually chopped up and discarded. Of course Sulochana had them figured out a long time ago, he said the folks had wanted to put the ISKCON children into a wood chipper.     

Then these guys recruited Bhakta das (William Benedict) to make a video for them. How did you guess, he also says PADA a filthy sewage program full of "stinky stools." Writing about YOUR SOCIETY'S children is writing about stinky poop stools for these folks? Yep, anyone who defends the children of ISKCON is defending a pile of poop. And anyone who defends children from mass molesting is "attacking the golden body of ISKCON." Then the GBC people began to quote these people as proof that PADA is bogus.  

Later on these genius people made a petition to have PADA removed from the internet, so their poop society can be protected from dissent? Then the big members of this group make a video with Bhakta das, who is a cheer leader of "Saint Radhanath." Umm, we do not need to listen to PADA, we need to listen to the program that buries pedophiles in the dham? Which is, did we forget to mention, the real poop society? 

In any case, I think we did a good job exposing this child aggression cult. After they sent their letter to the court people saying they wanted the children to die in a bloodbath, the court folks said -- yep, this is a diabolical child hating program. Their own words are proof. Then a whole lot of parents sent their kids off to Tamal's molester messiahs program's biggest cheer leader -- Narayan Maharaja. And we are hearing of tales of sexual exploiting going on there.  

So, they wanted to have the children of ISKCON become the same status as poop, and that means they are responsible for the end result of alienating and destroying these children, and causing them grief and suicides etc. The blood of these children is on their hands, and they almost had my blood on their hands because they painted a bulls eye on me for protesting their program. 

The good news is, more people are inquiring from me about this history, so history will record what happened, and already has. People need to know this history so -- it is not repeated. ys pd]   

  

Many Vaishnava Societies, One Standard Siddhanta

PADA: Yes, there has to be one unified doctrine and siddhanta on key principles. For example Srila Prabhupada says we have to offer bhogha to the proper parampara, or it is not accepted by Krishna. That means there needs to be one centralized system of offering bhogha, or else we are not connecting the offering to Krishna, or at best we are speculating on whether it is accepted or not. Similarly, the new disciples have to be offered to the parampara by having them surrender to the correct parampara, otherwise we are speculating if they are connected or not. ys pd

CY: One unfortunate devotee got initiated by LSD Acarya, Jayatirtha Tirthapad, who got beheaded by his disciple. He got reinitiation by Bhagavan das, who stopped guru bizness, to get married. 3rd guru was Satsvarup, gone insane, and then Bhakti Charu swami...

SD: Hare Krishna .

Jai Prabhupada !!!

Prabhupada actually chose the Puranjana Katha as to the Solution to the 11 GBC Killers and Chaos that he predicted !!!

Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 chapter 28 Texts 48 and 50 purports.

"When an Acarya comes, following the superior ORDERS of the Supreme Personality of Godhead or His representatives, he establishes the principles of religion, as enunciated in Bhagavad Gita. It is the Acarya's duty to spread *** a bona fide religious system *** ( THE RITVIK SYSTEM , BAS ) and induce everyone to bow down before the Supreme Lord . .................. " !!!

In Caitanya Charitamrta , The Boss, Prabhupada said, as a Society, one offers obesiances to his seniors , ~~ embraces his equals , ~~ and instructs his junior ......... Bas !!!

IN THAT WAY, EVERYONE IS A *** SIKSA GURU *** Bas !!!

Prabhupada made " legal documents " for legal action !

(Prabhupada lecture 21 / 5 / 76 Honolulu )

" Because people are in darkness , we require many millions of gurus to enlighten them . Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission is [...]

He said that " Everyone of you become Guru " ....... simply repeat what Krishna has said ...... this is this, this is that ........ no qualification !!!

( Prabhupada 1977 )

" No more show BOTTLE CHEATING CHEATING . This Sannyasa life IS OUTLAWED"!

(C.c. Madhya 24 : 330 purport ) "A Diksa Guru must be a mahabhagavata " !!!
As The Acarya, Ordered by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Takhur , ...... HE KNEW THAT PRABHUPADA WAS THE PREDICTED PERSONALITY , ............

*THE SENAPATI BHAKTA* ,

predicted 500 years ago by Lord Caitanya , and 150 years ago by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur !!! And we have Prabhavishnu Swami, go live with 3 prostitutes, come back and put on his dhoti, sit on the Vyasana, and have disciples worship him, washing his feet.

And Jayadvaita and the Killer Cabal are doing all this in *Prabhupada's name.*
WITH EVERYONE JUST PROPING UP THIS MAHA SINFUL OFFENSE !!! The High Course Case for pre meditated fraud for hiding all Prabhupada's legal documents and his "Will" for 8 years , ...... WILL EMPOWER ALL THE SINCERE FOLLOWERS WORLDWIDE in one stroke !!!

Golokera prema dhana harinam Sankirtana !!!

Mystery Ailment Sickens 300 People in India

 https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/07/asia/india-mystery-illness-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

[PADA: India is getting hit very hard with all sorts of troubles this year. It is not a good idea to reject Vedic culture when that should be your standard and heritage. ys pd]

Russian Book Distributor Devotee Stabbed

 

[PADA: Mahashakti dasa. Evidently, attacked while out doing books.]

Health Update:

Hare Krishna dear devotees. I am his God sister from Essentuki. His treating doctor has just informed us that Mahashakti Prabhu is conscious, he is in a stable but serious condition. His treatment is continued and now some discussions are made about whether to transfer him to a hospital floor instead of ICU. His arteries haven't been touched during the injury based on what the doctor said. Please continue to pray for his quick recovery. 

Thank you! --Sakhi Siromani Dasi

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Sankirtan Devotee Attacked! Prayers Needed!

Mahashakti Prabhu, a veteran devotee from our Essantuki Yatra (south of Russia) was violently attacked today while distributing books and stabbed several times in the legs with a knife and lost a lot of blood. He is currently in the ICU of the local hospital receiving surgery, his life under threat.

We humbly request all Vaishnavas to pray for this enlightened soul. He is serving our movement for more than 30 years, a very humble and wise devotee who dedicated his life for propagating the mission of Lord Caitanya.

Please keep Mahashakti Prabhu in your prayers. Thank you.

Arrests Made in Vrndavan "Russia House" Scam

 https://www.livehindustan.com/uttar-pradesh/mathura/story-allegations-of-cheating-in-the-name-of-selling-flats-to-indigenous-and-foreign-devotees-3661854.html?

[PADA: An Indian newspaper writes about a case of fraud at the "Russian House" in Vrindavan. The police were involved. It appears that the Russian devotees in charge of the house have been arrested on a "no bail" warrant. I am not sure, but these people are allegedly connected to Jayapataka's group in Mayapur, where there has been some vicious property scams going on over there.

It looks like the government is finally getting fed up with more of the GBC scams and the criminal behavior of some of the GBC's faithful sycophants. Anyone with more details can write to PADA: 

@ angel108b@yahoo.com

ys pd]

GBC Are Criminals (From A Victim)

**** Dasi: To think what they have done to thousands of lost souls like myself, who came after HDG left, it is criminal. It make me cry and cry. 

No wonder I have loved HDG all these years. Now a days, if I see a picture of any of the others, I quickly scroll by. Especially the one who wears his chaddar in an unusual way, and one who I have heard has hit devotee children, and one who has been pictured with little girls on his lap. Why are these people allowed to be worshiped as some spiritual authority? 

But its okay, because as they grow older, they are looking like shriveled up and dried up old men. And they are. Whereas HDG glowed effulgently, until he got extremely ill ... and that's another whole other story .... too much, too painful get into here. And pretty much been swept under the rug. 

AGTHDG, acbsp.

[PADA: More and more messages like this one are coming to us, it is a grass roots change -- a revolution really. Making people cry, that is what the demons always do. It also seems more people are taking the poison complaint issue more seriously. Yep, after many of our opponents said "PADA is a crazy mad man," it seems a lot of of our main issues are now taking hold -- despite a lot of propaganda against us. ys pd]

Beautiful Vishnu Mantra Song (Video)

 

Gaura Govinda Maharaja's Guru-less Rudderless Program

A Dasa: All those self-appointed zonal acharyas have deviated and / or fallen down from following the sampradaya and Srila Prabhupada. As the British would say, it's a load of bollocks mate.

Srila Prabhupada told those disciples to use the ritvik system under the circumstances because he said (and you can find the quotes in other places) that they are not qualified to be guru. Srila Prabhupada DID NOT intend the ritvik system to be used for the rest of time, rather it is clearly stated in many places that the intention is ALWAYS that the sampradaya must go on as it has always done and as it is coming directly from Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. 

The real reason the ritviks are somewhat shunned is because they undermine the very core principle of the continuation of the sampradaya, and this is completely against shastra and against Prabhupada and even against common sense. So there is a very good reason why the ritvik idea IS ONLY EVER MEANT TO BE A TEMPORARY MEASURE. The ritvik system IS NOT the system for the Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya, and that is just a FACT. Shastra, Sadhu and Guru all confirm this to be true.

So then who is genuine Acarya guru after Prabhupada?? Well, it is a fact that Srila Prabhupada directly instructed two of his disciples to become guru and accept disciples. That instruction was given to Gour Govinda Swami and to Radha Govinda Swami. This is confirmed by many sources, and their own life stories and exemplary actions and teachings are evidence of their qualification to be genuine gurus. As far as I know, these two personalities are qualified to be the next Acarya after Srila Prabhupada, that is my humble observation, and it is also the observation of others who much more senior and well-informed than me.

So the Sampradaya IS GOING ON. Whether or not people are aware that it is going, it is nonetheless definitely going on. And still nothing much has changed, it is simply our responsibility to completely surrender our lives to the service of the Holy Name and to Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. That responsibility is OURS and no amount of amazing gurus is ever going to solve that problem for us, we have to take the initiative to surrender ourselves, and then Krishna will reciprocate and send us the Sadhu Sanga that we require to advance, according to our adhikar. Simply we must cry and cry for Krishna and His genuine pure devotee to help us. That is ALL.

LC: But the July 9,1977 Directive was the FINAL INSTRUCTIONS ON INITIATION,THUS RULING OUT GOUR GOVINDA AND RADHA GOVINDA SWAMI.WHAT WAS GIVEN IN WRITING OVERRULES ANYTHING PRIOR TO THAT.WHY DID GOUR GOVINDA COME TEN YEARS LATER TO CLAIM THAT GOUR GOVINDA IS SRILA PRABHUPADA'S SUCCESSOR.ONE WOULD STICK TO THE JULY 9, 1977 DIRECTIVE AS SRILA PRABHUPADA'S FINAL INSTRUCTIONS ON INITIATION IN ISKCON FOR THE NEXT TEN THOUSAND YEARS....NO ADDITION OR SUBTRACTION.DEPEND ON SRILA PRABHUPADA'S LEGAL DOCUMENTS AND NOT ON "HEARSAY"AND SPECULATION.

 A Dasa: There is ALWAYS guru! tad vidhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya ... BG 4.34 You are taking the position of guru by giving these directions to people. And anyone who accepts your directions is acting as your disciple. And you are all cheaters only.

You should either surrender to a genuine sadhu guru, a pure devotee who has Prema Bhakti in his heart and who is fully surrendered unto Guru and Krishna, and who is chanting the pure Holy Name, or you should just shut your big mouth and get lost. Grow up.

[PADA: Notice that the genuine sadhu that we all need to surrender to has no name, no form, no books, no temples, no devotees, no proof said person exists. This is called mayavada. Whereas we are giving people specific direction, that is called shiksha guru and does not require full self realization. "There is a sadhu somewhere" is speculation, and it diverts people away from worship of the actual acharya going on some bogus guru hunting goose chase. "The parampara continues ... but there is no evidence it continues with us ... because we cannot identify how and where and with whom it continues." Bluff.

Of course when Gaura Govinda maharaja tells people to go out find a sadhu somewhere, he is really telling people to leave and seek associations outside of ISKCON. And that is how his policy has made ISKCON into a ghost town. Everyone left to go look for the phantasm "other guru." And it is for that reason many /most of his own followers went over to Narayan Maharaja after he departed.]

LC: Where is the PARAMPARA from Gour Govinda and other frauds in ISKCON. So much big talk about PARAMPARA.Srila Srila Prabhupada is the ONLY (SOLE) LINK TO KRISHNA.PERIOD...

[PADA: Right, Gaura Govinda was a link in the parampara, but who is his successor link? They cannot say? So their parampara ends with GGM?]

ZP: A Dasa, it is simple, name one proven gbc guru or any other that is Uttama adhikari without question.

[PADA: First of all, Gaura Govinda maharaja says sabda brahman does not descend from books and tapes, then his followers made a "tapes and books library" after he departed? These people are arguing with their own shadow. ys pd]

A Dasa: Podilchuk I've already named two. Gour Govinda Swami and Radha Govinda Swami. Uttama adhikaris without question. Fact.

[PADA: Gaura Govinda maharaja is not presently alive, so if he is the current pure devotee they are worshiping a departed person.] 

A Dasa: PADA! You are another nonsense rascal, I've seen your work on the internet, it is only fake cheating in the name of upholding the truth. Yes you make some good points and yes evil things have been done in the name of ISKCON, but you are still a stupid fool nonetheless because you are committing Vaisnava aparadha. Your statement about Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Swami Maharaja Archives (of which I am the current manager and caretaker) is so baseless and idiotic that it is not even worth a reply. Nonetheless, for the sake of defending Gurudev against offensive morons, I must give an answer.

Yes it is a fact that sabda brahma ONLY descends via the transparent via medium who is the personality Bhagavat, and this is confirmed numerous times in shastra. This is a fact! There is the book Bhagavat and there is the person Bhagavat, and sabda brahma descends via the person Bhagavat, which is exactly the reason why Sukadev Goswami SPOKE Bhagavatam, and then later Suta Goswami also SPOKE Bhagavatam, because it must be SPOKEN by the PERSON BHAGAVAT, who is 100% fully self realised pure devotee of Krishna. 

This is confirmed by the Bhagavatam itself. You MUST surrender to the PERSON Bhagavat and hear from them. Nigama kalpatarau galitam phalam suka mukha ...... you all ought to know this basic simple self-evident fact.

Does this mean that the preservation of the teachings of previous Acaryas is a worthless endeavour?? Absolute not! You would have to be a blithering idiotic buffoon to conclude that the keeping of Archives for previous Acaryas is futile. Rather, it is a most noble and important endeavor, and I am blessed to have the good fortune to be given this service. And there is absolutely no doubt at all that Gour Govinda Swami is fully qualified as a genuine Acarya.

Actually this whole discussion is very good, and I am very happy that all the stupid ritviks have jumped onboard with trying to defend their hopeless position. Because it is has fully highlighted and revealed the blatant flaws and outright offensiveness of the ritvik mentality. Thank you for continuing to undermine yourselves, please do continue.

[PADA: Thanks but I am quoting GGM? He says sabda brahman does not descend from tapes and books, the same books and tapes our own Prabhupadanuga families and children are hearing and reading from. Why would he tell our families and children etc. not to bother listening to the acharyas, because there is no sabda brahman therein? Can you guys just answer a simple question for a change? 

Our people should NOT bother listening to the tapes and read the books of the acharyas to get sabda brahman, they are wasting their time, there is no potency there, so they should listen to -- whom or what? And why not just answer the question? 

I am sorry, but even when I met GGM he told me there is no living person in my scheme. Ummm, there are thousands of living people in my scheme, including me? Not sure why none of us can be considered as living? Again, makes no sense to me at all. We have temples, devotees, deities, programs, all being made with living people, and evidently, these people are not living? Makes no sense at all? Why not answer these points? Sorry, we are making new people all the time and yes, as a matter of fact, these people are all living. How can we say none of them are living? Really, if you guys make some sense, there would be no need to analyse your contrary statements. Sorry, the reason Srila Prabhupada made these books is, they are sabda brahman, that is the whole reason for their existence. ys pd

A Dasa: Tapes and books are very valuable. But they are never a replacement for the act of surrendering to a pure devotee Vaisnava Sadhu Guru. That process of surrender is mandated in many shastras and it is the basic principle of our entire Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya. Your children (and everyone else) SHOULD listen to the tapes and read books, and hopefully that will bring them to the point of surrender to a living genuine Sadhu Guru, who can personally guide them and give them instructions, according to their own individual needs. 

[PADA: The Gaura Govinda maharaja people never tell us who this alleged sadhu successor to GGM is, or even if he exists at all.]

Please put aside your anger against so many fake leaders in ISKCON. I also have great anger within me against fake gurus and fake leaders, but I do not allow that anger to cloud my proper judgement. Rather, we should make judgement based on Shastra, Sadhu AND GURU. 

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says we need to name the guru, or else it is mayavada.] 

Those three sources of spiritual authority TOGETHER constitute our guiding light and reveal the path towards Krishna Prema. If we only take Shastra and Sadhu, but do not accept GURU, then we are actually committing offenses against Shastra and against the Sadhus, because we are ignoring one of the key foundational principles given in the Shastra itself.

Now, to any ritvik who is chanting 16 rounds and following the 4 regulative principles and reading Prabhupada's books and doing regular Harinam Sankirtan.... I humbly bow at your feet and beg for your forgiveness. I do not want to call you all morons and idiots actually. Please do not take offense. 

Rather, it is the IDEA itself that is completely flawed and stupid. I am attacking the IDEA, because actually I am trying to help those who may read this, to consider the crucial importance of seeking out and accepting a genuine Sadhu Guru. We should encourage people to do so, because Shastra also encourages us to do so! Because it is very very valuable. 

We MUST seek Sadhu, and we must take shelter from Sadhu. Otherwise everything will deteriorate into theoretical book-knowledge only, and that will be a great shame. So therefore, I beseech anyone who reads this; SEEK SADHU GURU. I know it may seem difficult, but nonetheless we must at least try!

PADA: We are giving them instructions, and then they are giving other people instructions. That is how we have now got thousands of people involved. Why would Gaura Govinda tell people that their reading the books of the acharya has no potency? That is discouraging people from following the whole process given by the acharya. 

When Srila Prabhupada was here, many of his disciples never even met him, or they might see him give a lecture at their temple rarely. Few people were allowed into his room. I had to hassle to get to see him myself and that was also rare. So the main association with the acharya is by the vani, and to say there is no sabda brahman in the vani -- defeats everything Srila Prabhupada was doing. He was writing the books, then someone says, the books have no potency. Why would anyone do that? And why would we say his whole idea, you preach for two minutes, then let them read my books, be discouraged? 

So as soon as people seek a sad guru, and they find one, and they read the books of the sad guru, they are not getting sabda brahman? That is the way I got the sabda brahman, I got a Bhagavad Gita, and that book literally saved my life. How can we say it has no potency, it is Krishna's own words? Our program is working. We have nice new people in China, Russia, Taiwan, Singapore, and so on and so forth. I really do not see hardly any new GGM temples anywhere? ys pd

A Dasa: Books and tapes definitely have potency. We all agree on this. Sabda brahma means spiritual sound vibration which is non-different from Krishna Himself i.e. Suddha Nama, which is purna suddha nitya mukhta abhinatvam nama-naminoh (Padma Purana) the Holy Name is Krishna Himself. That pure sound vibration comes only from the person who is chanting Suddha Nama. That is fact! My friend, please consider this carefully, this is a FACT!

Now consider this: you met Srila Prabhupada, you saw him and you saw his activities and the effect that he had and you personally were impacted directly by his influence. And subsequently you took shelter of him via books and tapes. Now compare that against someone who has NEVER met a pure Sadhu Guru, and simply they get given the same books and tapes. 

Obviously the effect is not the same!!! The only reason why your preaching has been successful, as you say, is because of that influence from Srila Prabhupada directly, you were blessed in that way. It is by his potency only that you have been able to have any kind of success. And that potency came in PERSON. That is the point! Is it not?

SO WHY WOULD YOU DENY OTHERS THE SIMILAR OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU HAD?????

Please do not do this. Rather, please encourage people to seek genuine Sadhu Guru. Even if such a person is difficult to find (Krsna says in BG sa mahatma sudurlabha, very very rare indeed) nonetheless the endeavor to find Sadhu Guru and take shelter from that great personality is WORTHWHILE. Actually it is mandatory to try! We must at least try! And even if we fail in our search for Sadhu Guru, simply the act of trying will purify us greatly, because it means that we will be forced to completely surrender to Krishna and cry for His mercy. And that is a very great thing, in fact to cry for this mercy from Krishna is our goal! We must cry like this.

 ZP: Your problem is that : He reasons ill who tell that Vaishnavas die, When thou are living still in sound! The Vaishnavas die to live, and living try To spread the holy name around!" Another problem is that GGS is not here and RGS is very reclusive and does those Bhagavat shapta things. 

Prabhupāda is fully present in his books and audio and are as good as any personal association of an Uttama. Neither sadhu you mentioned were named as gurus by SP either tho. And why did the GBC want to censor GGS shortly before he passed away?

PADA: yep

ZP: GGS said that books and audio were passive.

A Dasa: Actually the only problem is that ritviks are not willing to surrender. In truth, that is actually the only problem. Pure Sadhus are always there. Seek and ye shall find. Krishna knows your heart. If He sees that you actually want to surrender to His direct personal representative, He will send you to meet that person. From my experience with every single ritvik I have ever had the misfortune to deal with, the fact is that they simply do not want this. And so Krishna does not give it to them. Simple.

And yes Gour Govinda Swami is correct to say that books and audio are passive ways of acquiring spiritual knowledge, because that pure sound vibration which is non-different from Krishna is not coming directly from the pure source himself, and so obviously the potency is not exactly the same. It's like eating an icecream vs watching a video of someone eating an icecream.

[PADA: Krishna knows their hearts, so He is leading people to the vani of the pure devotee. Agreed. I already said many direct disciples of Srila Prabhupada never even met him in person, they read his books. For Gaura Govinda maharaja to say all those disciples of Prabhupada have no connection him or to sabda brahman -- because they did not meet him physically in person -- is simply false. 

Pretty simple really. Our Prabhupadanugas are numbering in the thousands, and they are making more and more temples, programs and so on. So there will be thousands more over time. In fact, thousands of people come just to the local Milpitas Prabhupadanugas program on festival days. And therefore, the Prabhupadanugas are making more devotees now. Whereas most of the Gaura Govinda Maharaja people are not making any new temples, programs devotees that we ever hear of. 

So, which program has potency? The one that is expanding worldwide, or the one that seems to be stuck in 1980 and it is not hardly progressing? How many new centers and new devotees is the Gaura Govinda maharaj program making, and why do we not hear of much progress there? Where is it? I was just talking to some devotees in Russia, they are preaching, they are expanding, and they are explaining all this to others, how can we say it is not connected to sabda brahman? ys pd

A Dasa: If numbers of followers is the measure of spiritual advancement then the Ayatolla Khomenei of Iran was much much more successful than you or any of your friends. Your logic, and all the logic of the ritvik philosophy, is fundamentally flawed. The only reason you are holding onto a sinking ship is because you have personal investment in the power that it affords to you and your friends.

Anyway, I actually have a Harinam Sankirtan and preaching program scheduled in 30 minutes. Whenever I go and preach, I will tell people that surrendering to a genuine Sadhu Guru is MANDATORY and anyone who tells you otherwise is just a cheater only. And I don't care if I have a sum total of zero followers. The truth is still the truth, and no amount of name, fame, followers, prestige or reputation is a replacement for the truth.

PADA: So we are making devotees, deity programs, cow protection, temples, book printing etc. and this proves we have no sabda brahman, but the GGM program is making hardly anything, because they have the sabda brahman? Really? Well if you folks are not making followers -- then you are not following the whole process given by Srila Prabhupada. 

He said he wanted us to make followers, and that is his truth and not mine. Now, making followers is not the truth? If you do not care if there are zero followers, you are not a follower yourself. We also have folks preaching and doing harinama in S. Africa, Sacramento etc. so they need to just fold up their program, and quit preaching? Because they have no sabda brahman? Why would you want that? Everyone needs to stop their program because there is no sabda brahman, meanwhile, we cannot find much sabda brahman life in the GGM program, it is for the most part disbanded in the USA except for a few hold outs. And who is your current living acharya anyway? Name please! ys pd

 A Dasa: If you are doing all these things, then that means that you are acting as guru. You are acting as representative of Srila Prabhupada and you are giving these directions and people are following them. Therefore you are acting as guru. So you should not claim that there is no living guru, because you yourself are doing it! 

You can go on with all these preaching programs, that is fine, but you must accept that living guru is always there. Whoever is leading the preaching, making devotees, training them, etc, that person is acting as guru. So you should not deny it, rather you should simply take responsibility for the truth of the matter. Your denial of this fact is simply a blatant lie only. That is obvious to everyone.

And you are making grave offense against Gour Govinda Swami, you should be very careful what you are doing. How can you claim to be a disciple of Srila Prabhupada and at the same criticize and blaspheme one of his most advanced and amazing disciples, who is a devotee from birth and who displayed genuinely transcendental symptoms and activities that only someone from the spiritual world can do? 

Before you criticize him, perhaps try to follow the same things that he did, try and do it even for a few weeks, and you will completely fail. Because you are a cheater only. You criticize someone who is coming directly from the spiritual world because of envy only, and you would never in a million lifetimes be able to do the things that he did. That is a fact, but because of your arrogance you will not admit this fact.

Regarding your baseless and hysterical argument that numbers of followers is a determination of spiritual success, once again I must admit that you ritviks do a brilliant job of making yourselves look like proper idiots. What about Gaur Kishor Das Babaji? He only had one disciple, and that is our dear Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada. So according to your measure, he must have been a complete failure, because what kind of loser guru would only make one disciple??

You are such a fool, I do not even need to say anything to insult you. Rather, you do a perfectly good job of insulting yourself. And I am only saying these things because you are blaspheming Gurudev, and so it is my duty to destroy your futile arguments.

ZP: To what or whom should the rtviks surrender? They have surrendered to Prabhupāda but cannot surrender to a society that claims tons of so called maha Bhagavats who actually aren’t. Your GGS said iskcon was a kanistha society.

[PADA: There is a basis for criticizing some who says the words of the acharyas and Krishna are bereft of Sabda Brahman. And we see practically their program is the program without potency. Apart from that, you folks fail to tell us who is the current living successor to Gaura govinda maharaja, so it looks like a dead “living” link in any case. That is what Gaura govinda maharaja told me, there is no living person in my system. Wrong. There are thousands of them, including me and many others. To say all of us Prabhupadanugas are not living is simply denial of reality. Many disciples never met Srila prabhupada in person, to say none of them got the Sabda Brahman defies the whole process given by the acharya. Ys pd

 A Dasa: Gour Govinda Swami never said that ISKCON is a Kanishta society. He always preached that we must uphold the prestige and reputation of ISKCON and that we must serve Srila Prabhupada by remaining within his society. You ritviks are liars and committers of great Vaisnava aparadha. This will be your downfall only.

[PADA: Gaura Govinda Maharaja told me iskcon appoints known homosexuals as their vishnupada acharyas and Kali Yuga has entered the highest places of iskcon. That is way LESS THAN KANISTHA. He also told me he has to cooperate, tolerate and work with the gbc. That is why we had to help have their program sued for $400,000,000 for child abuse. Even the courts know we are not supposed to cooperate with Kali. Meanwhile we still do not know who is the living successor to Gaura govinda maharaja. How can we tell people to surrender to a living person ... who has not been identified.]

A Dasa: PADA! You are nothing but an offender against your own guru because you have disobeyed his direct instructions. Srila Prabhupada directly instructed that we must stay within ISKCON and he directly instructed in his books such as Nectar of Devotion that we must surrender to sadhu guru, inquire from them, render service and serve them directly. 

[PADA: A society that worships homosexual pedophilea and sexual predators as its acharyas ... is not ISKCON?]

Those are direct instructions from Prabhupada, which you and your friends have disobeyed. And yet you dare to compare yourself against a Mahabhagavat who has descended from the spiritual world such as Gour Govinda Swami. Therefore you are not a disciple of Srila Prabhupada, and none of the other ritviks are disciples of Srila Prabhupada, you are all liars and cheaters. 

No one should accept you as a disciple of Srila Prabhupada. You are not his disciple, and unless you beg forgiveness at the feet of all the Vaisnavas to whom you have made so many offenses, you will never be accepted by Srila Prabhupada. That is a fact. You can rant and rave about so many other ludicrous things. But unless you face this one single blatantly obvious truth, everyone will always know that you are all nothing but liars and cheaters.

[PADA: You have identified no living successor to Gaura govinda maharaja, We have to surrender to ... nobody? This is mayavada, we have to identify the person ... this is bluffing. There does not appear to be any successor? How can we preach to surrender to no one? Where is the succession?]

A Dasa: I cannot tell you whom to surrender to. Nor can anyone else. That is between you and God. 

[PADA: So Srila Prabhupada made a huge mistake telling us we have to surrender to the proper guru parampara? He cannot tell us, nor can anyone, the end result is a rudderless free for all. Makes an open field for cheaters, no one should criticize -- then false gurus thrive.]

When He sees that you have given up your duplicity and are sincerely crying for Sadhu Guru, He will make the arrangement Himself. Otherwise you will only be cheated, and thus cheat others also.

[PADA: Why does Gaura Govinda Maharaja keep saying the people who worship Prabhupada are being cheated? Oh I forgot, he has a pocketful of pedophiles and deviants for us to worship instead.]

Yes that GGM society without envy lecture is a most wonderful lecture and it proves my point very nicely. You should all listen to that lecture, and you should all pray to Gour Govinda Swami and beg for his forgiveness for committing offenses against him. Otherwise your bhakti will be completely destroyed. You must do this, it is a very serious thing, you must all make sincere apology to Gour Govinda Swami, and do not repeat anymore offenses against him. How can you do such things? He is an amazing Sadhu Vaisnava. You must all give up this envious attitude that you have against him.

ZP: No one is offending him. There is no envy directed at him either. I met him at his last visit to the manor. He was a very advanced devotee. But the point stands that Prabhupāda would not be pleased with what has happened since his disappearance. Even your guru was banned from some temples and about to be censured shortly before he died. Abhirama Dasa the first and last point of surrender is to Srila Prabhupāda. He is the founder/ Acharya. Everyone else is siksa guru at best.

A Dasa: I am absolutely furious about the nonsense that has happened since Prabhupada's departure. Have no doubt about that. But what is my solution? Will I become a ritvik? Absolutely not, that is stupid. My solution is that I have quit my job, left my family, given away all my material possessions, and I am staying in Sri Puri Dham and I am doing Harinam Sankirtan every single day, and I am preserving and distributing the teachings of Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Swami freely online. 

I am not waiting for someone else to provide the leadership and provide the facilities for positive change. Because if we wait, it will NEVER HAPPEN. Therefore my solution is that I am just stepping up and getting the job done. And my advice to anyone who might read this is to do the same. Aindra Prabhu also instructed me in this way when I stayed with him in Vrindavan. We must just surrender and do the needful. And we must cry and cry for pure Sadhu sanga. 

We must not have this arrogant attitude that we think that we deserve pure Sadhu. We must not think that we can see Sadhu or that we can know Sadhu by our own efforts. That is just puffed up arrogance. We must completely surrender our lives to the Holy Name and cry and cry for Krishna to give us whatever He thinks is best for us, and we must depend completely on Him only. And then naturally, the Sadhu sanga will manifest. Otherwise it will never manifest. That is the process.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada says "all glories to Sri Guru" is mayavada. I was listening to another GGM fellow and he was saying the same thing, we have to surrender to guru --- a guru with no name, no books, no temples, no proof he even exists. Srila Prabhupada says -- We have to identify the guru -- by name -- or else we are mayavadas. We already know that when I was putting together the child molesting lawsuit against Tamal, Gaura Govinda Maharaja stood up at the GBC meeting and told the GBC not to remove Tamal because he is doing great service. Gaura Govinda Maharaja gave the name of the person he wanted to be worshiped as the acharya of ISKCON (Tamal), the person we are suing. We give the specific name of the specific guru we want people to worship, and it is not Tamal. ys pd

ZP: Prabhupāda is founder / Acharya. Primary. It’s not about ritvik. It’s about surrendering to the highest vaishnava possible.

PADA: Again! "All glories to Sri Guru," Srila Prabhupada specifically said we Vaishnavas cannot say that, because that is what the Mayavadas do. We have to name the specific guru, or else we are preaching mayavada. Our Prabhupadanuga process is a shiksha succession, everyone preaches on behalf of the acharya, and in that way they become shiksha gurus. I even had a terrible time with a follower of Gaura Govinda Maharaja when I asked him, who do we offer the bhogha to? He would not answer, but he said we cannot offer to Srila Prabhupada. We cannot offer bhogha to the acharya? ys pd

A Dasa: You are both missing the point entirely. I am not convinced that any of you ritviks actually have the genuine desire to surrender to anyone. I think that is really the problem here. There is just duplicity only. Even if Krsna sent a pure devotee to you, would you even want to surrender? Why should He send His direct representative to you?

First you must give up duplicity and become simple. Second you must genuinely cry for Krsna to send Sadhu to help you. And only then can you even begin to talk honestly about any of these matters.

PADA: All glories to Sri Guru is mayavada. It does not matter what we think or not think, it is mayavada, we have to name the guru. We also cannot cry to Krishna direct, that is sahajiya, we have to approach Krishna via the acharyas. A follower of Gaura Govinda Maharaja told me we cannot offer bhogha to Srila Prabhupada, we have to offer to the living person. 

No name for this person? We offer bhogha to nobody? How will that work as a religion? Sorry, we have to offer to the acharya, that is the first principle of the Krishna religion. He refused to name the person we offer to, again, that is called mayavada. We cannot make offerings to the non-existing, it is not our siddhanta. ys pd

A Dasa: For me personally, I say "all glories to Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Swami Maharaja and to Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada". That is my personal choice. I name the Acaryas directly in this way, and that is my free choice to do so. I cannot force anyone to do the same, I can only try to do the best I can and give a good example.

In my childhood, Gour Govinda Swami told me to chant the Holy Name purely, and so I accept that instruction. That is all there is to it. But that is my own personal situation. Everyone is different, that is why it is a personal thing, and guru is a personal relationship. Each individual must take the responsibility to surrender themselves, no one can surrender on your behalf.

So I ask you all sincerely to please stop committing offenses against Gour Govinda Swami. Please stop this nonsense at least. And whomever you take spiritual instructions from is your business.

[PADA: It is personal, so our thousands of persons are reading Srila Prabhupada's books, and to say they are therefore not getting sabda brahman is attacking the process of vani seva. You also forgot to tell us who we offer the bhogha to? We cannot offer the bhogha to "the guru," that is phantasm. Why should I agree with people who say we cannot get sabda brahman from the acharya?]

A Dasa: I have already answered this argument of yours. Sabda Brahma means that person who is chanting Suddha Nama. If you are not chanting Suddha Nama, there is no Sabda Brahma. And Suddha Nama means free from offense, so therefore you are not chanting Suddha Nama because you have made so many offenses, therefore you cannot impart Sabda Brahma.

Suddha Nama is CHANTED BY A PERSON. Suddha Nama is not chanted by an electronic machine. Suddha Nama is the direct offering of Prema unto Sri Krishna by the soul. It comes from pure Sadhu Vaisnava only.

If you do not serve the Vaisnavas who are chanting Suddha Nama, you can never chant Suddha Nama. If you are committing offenses, you can go on chanting and reading books for millions of lifetimes, but you will never achieve Prema.

That is the unfortunate position of the foolish ritvik. They go on and on and on chanting and reading, but because of aparadha, and because of disobeying the orders of the spiritual master, they can never chant the Pure Holy Name. Therefore they will never get Krsna Prema.

ZP: Krsna sent Prabhupāda to save everyone. It’s his books that got us convinced. No one else’s books. And we keep it simple. Surrendering to Prabhupāda. Krsna already sent a sadhu. Prabhupāda. Is he not helping everyone already ? You are trying to get us to accept GGS whereas we are getting people to accept ACBSP. 

A Dasa: If you are getting people to accept ACBSP, then you are acting as guru, because you are giving such spiritual instructions. By accepting your instructions, they are accepting YOU, because YOU are the one giving those instructions!

Similarly, if someone accepts my instructions, then they are accepting me. Or if they accept somebody else's instructions, then they are accepting that person.

That is each and everyone's own free will. Whomever you accept, and you follow their instructions, that person is like guru to you, because you are following them! That is what guru means!

It is not anybody's business to interfere with each person's free choice. You must CHOOSE whom to follow. And whoever is telling you that the ritvik system is the thing that you should follow, if you follow that person's ritvik system, then that person is your guru. So actually your guru is not Srila Prabhupada, rather the ritvik gurus are the leaders of the ritvik deviation, it is them whom the ritvik members are actually following. It is them who make propaganda for the ritvik movement. So they are acting as guru. And whoever accepts the ritvik system is their follower.

I do not accept the ritvik system, that is my free choice. I am searching for a living diksha guru, and Krsna will make the necessary arrangements when the time is right. I have full faith in that. And I would strongly advise everyone to also surrender to a living Sadhu guru and accept initiation, because this is directly instructed in shastra, and so if we disobey this instruction, we can never chant the Pure Holy Name! Sanatana Goswami instructs us in Hari Bhakti Vilasa that there should be a one year testing period and the guru should test the disciple and the disciple should also test the guru. We should not accept blindly. We should act according to shastra.

The ritvik system is a deviation because it blatantly disobeys shastra. Anyone who preaches the ritvik system is not a disciple of Srila Prabhupada, rather they are outcastes from the sampradaya. That is a fact.

[PADA: So there is no actually named guru now? Srila Prabhupada's whole mission is to get people to choose the right guru. He never said we should allow people to go find any guru everywhere and anywhere, rather he said we have to direct the ignorant people to the proper parampara and the proper system given by Krishna. When I told Gaura Govinda maharaja we are promoting Srila Prabhupada, he said that is bogus because there is no living person in our system. 

How could he say none of our people are living? That makes no sense. Yes, people who accept our idea are accepting us as their shiksha guru, and that is why we are expanding, we are engaging thousands of people as shiksha gurus. Gaura Govinda does interfere with people's choices? The GBC chose to get rid of Tamal, and they should have, because we were organizing a lawsuit against him at that time. So "keeping Tamal" means, now the whole ISKCON will be sued -- and it was. 

GGM's Keeping Tamal is how ISKCON was bankrupted, Gaura Govinda maharaja interfered and that caused the whole ISKCON society to be taken down in court. Meanwhile, you have not explained how the people reading Srila Prabhupada's books are not getting sabda brahman? And yes, no name for the guru is mayavada, you still have not explained why it is not mayavada? ys pd]

A Dasa: I've already answered all your arguments. And you have actually defeated your own arguments because your logic is self-contradictory. Enough said.

[PADA: Yet you have not even told me why a Gaura Govinda maharaja person says we cannot offer bhogha to Srila Prabhupada, because we need to offer to the live person, whom he could not name? Srila Prabhupada made a specific system for offering bhogha and it is strange that some of the followers of Gaura Govinda maharaja do not even know what that system is, whereas our newer people are trained in that from the early stages. 

If we are not even training people in the most basic points, I have no idea how you plan to conduct an institution? In an institution, everyone offers the bhogha according to the instructions of the acharya, we do not have people offering bhogha to whomever they want to with whatever prayers they want to, how can we manage a society on the platform? ys pd]

A Dasa: Gour Govinda Swami never said we cannot offer bhoga to Srila Prabhupada. He himself offered everything to Srila Prabhupada. You are a moron.

[PADA: Sorry, Gaura Govinda maharaja was one of the people who vociferously defended Tamal Krishna swami, whose photo was on the altars and people were offering their bhogha to Tamal. I am amazed you are unaware that the Gaura Govinda maharaja / GBC guru parampara places photos of conditioned souls on the altars and offers bhogha to these photos. We should accept Srila Prabhupada as our acharya, but offer our bhogha to people like Tamal? 

Where was this ordered? And GGM was saying we need to help keep Tamal, when even the GBC wanted to boot Tamal out? Now you are saying that is not the system in the Gaura Govinda maharaja process, but -- we all know his GBC guru program offers bhogha to conditioned souls all along, and still does? 

Sorry GGM does not support our program of offering to the acharya, his program has been offering bhogha to conditioned souls, and when they GBC wants to get rid of these conditioned souls, GGM begs and pleads -- we need to keep them, and their bogus bhogha offering process. I personally told GGM we are getting people to worship Srila Prabhupada (and offer him their bhogha) and he said -- that is not authorized. ys pd

A Dasa: that is all a bunch of manipulated lies and misrepresentation of the facts. You do not have a leg to stand on and so you are grasping at straws. It is really quite pathetic. It is plainly obvious that you have lost everything here. And so I will leave this conversation and get on with my seva for Guru and Gauranga. Maybe the rest of you should do the same.

PADA: No, Gaura Govinda Maharaja personally told me he has to "tolerate, cooperate and work with" the GBC gurus. And he was well known to be speaking in defense of keeping various people to "keep the unity." His followers told me that when we met, GGM was trying to keep the GBC unified. 

OK and the GBC policy was and is to offer bhogha to conditioned souls. Why would we want deviations to be unified? Sorry, you have evaded answering any of our questions. We know GGM wrote position papers for the GBC because his followers handed me a copy of his paper, and it was an exact duplicate of the GBC paper, as their booklet. And when I said this booklet looks like the GBC paper, they said, it is. He wrote it for them. I am asking specific questions, and not getting specific answers, all along. Which is why we just had to go out and write on our own. We are getting on, people write me all the time and I have to tell them, these people cannot answer even, who is the current living guru successor to GGM, never mind any further questions. ys pd

A Dasa: I offer my bhoga to Gour Govinda Swami and to Srila Prabhupada. 

[PADA: The GBC program Gaura Govinda maharaja cooperates, tolerates and works with offers bhogha to photos of conditioned souls, and that is their corporate institutional policy. Rigidly enforced. GGM supports that process and says it is ISKCON, that is the issue we are discussing, not your personal situation.]  

That is the process of going through parampara, and that is my answer to your question. 

[PD: Photos of conditioned souls is not the parampara, nor were we ever told to cooperate, tolerate and work with placing photos of conditioned souls at Krishna's feet on the altars.] 

What others may say to you is their business. 

[PD: The cooperation of GGM with the GBC, even getting voted in to their parampara, is aiding their program policies by making them appear as authorized by GGM.] 

But if anyone asks you these questions, you can tell them that A Dasa accepts Gour Govinda Swami and offers everything to him and to Srila Prabhupada. 

[PD: I am discussing the tens of thousands of people GGM mislead by telling them to cooperate with offering bhogha to conditioned souls, not you personally.]

I agree with you that there should be proper standard, so I am giving you a proper answer. 

[PD: So you agree with us, we should offer bhogha to the acharya and not cooperate with offering to conditioned souls. That means you are with us.] 

I am offering in this way, and anyone who follows, they can also offer in this way, that is their choice. 

[PADA: Prabhupada never said everyone can offer whatever way they want to whomever, he said there has to be a standard in his society. He never said everyone can have their own process in his institution.] 

Otherwise they can go and do something else, whatever they like. It is free choice, that is a fact. We cannot force anyone to worship Guru or God. 

[PADA: The GBC policy of offering bhogha to conditioned souls is strictly enforced, and GGM has been saying we need to "cooperate" with their process, and he even says their process is ISKCON and thus we need to cooperate with it? Offering bhogha to conditioned souls is not ISKCON. We are ISKCON, because we tell people to offer to the pure devotee.]

Love is not done by force. It is a matter of the heart. And I have given my heart to Gour Govinda Swami and to Srila Prabhupada, in that order, because that is the parampara. That is my feeling and that is my heart, and if anyone wants to follow along with me, that is their choice and they can do so from their heart with love. It is not by force or by rules. That is not how bhakti works. So you please give that answer to your friends. I worship Gour Govinda Swami, and anyone who follows my program here also worships Gour Govinda Swami along with Srila Prabhupada. Because in my view, that is the parampara. Simple. Does that answer your question?

[PD: The question is, why is GGM saying that the GBC process is ISKCON, when it violates the orders of the acharya? ys pd] 

HBO Mini-series on "Heaven's Gate" Cult

 https://www.salon.com/2020/12/03/heavens-gate-review-cult-hbo-max/

[PADA: This is also why ISKCON has lost a lot of credibility, whacked leaders on on a crusade to take people to heaven via -- taking them to hell first. Anyway, it is a good lesson for one and all, take care before we dive off the deep end in some program that promises heaven, but gives us the opposite. 

It is too bad that so many people have a lot of nice superficial religious sentiment -- they would maybe like to attain God in heaven -- but then there are all sorts of scams, and a host of bogus gurus, priests, yogis, swamis, avatars and cults that exploit those sentiments. 

Srila Prabhupada says -- false religion leaders are destined for the lowest regions. They wanted to take a ride to heaven, and ended up experiencing hell. Very sad that this has happened over and over in history, and unless we heed history, we are condemned to repeat it. ys pd]  

"Prabhupada's Palace of Gold" Approved as Historic Site

 http://www.wvculture.org/shpo/nr/pdf/marshall/100002852.pdf?

[PADA: Approved as a West Virginia historic site in 2019. Lots of history here! ys pd]

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Was Rajneesh (OSHO) Poisoned?

 https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/who-killed-osho-interview-author-abhay-vaidya-64965

[PADA: Very odd to me that there has been considerable attention given to the "mysterious death" of Rajneesh including various news articles and books. A death alleged by some to have been caused by poison, or some toxic nerve agent etc. While not so much attention has been given to the mysterious death of A.C. Bhaktivedanta swami, also alleged to be poison. 

Even more odd, while many of the followers of Rajneesh demanded an investigation, hardly any of the followers of Srila Prabhupada have shown much interest in the circumstances surrounding his departure. At all! 

And the press media has pretty much allowed the Hare Krishna religion story to go under the radar. In any case, we feel that with or without an investigation, the departure of Srila Prabhupada was part of a sinister plot. That may also have been the case with Rajneesh, a person who owned a bunch of rolls Royce cars and had a lot of wealth. 

Is there anyone out there who can get the ball rolling to get an actual legal investigation going, before all of the main suspects are all gone?

ys pd

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Story of Lord Narasimha (for children) VIDEO

 

ISKCON Victim's Story (D. Dasi)

D. Dasi: I left the association of devotees after 11 years of practice, when the sampradaya dispute started... 1995, I was already injured due to family situation and since Bhagavan resigned I was watching everything very carefully. My luck is that I had always read Bhaktivedanta books so much. I walked away for years. Some of my feelings were really negative, offended and outraged ... but Krishna didn't leave me. He presented Himself to me in different forms and ways.

[PADA: This is what Srila Prabhupada says is the result of false gurus, the victims often feel negative, offended, outraged. In sum, the false gurus hurt other people and especially -- hurt their spiritual lives. This is why the false gurus are called atma hana -- killers of the souls (of others) -- and they are destined to the darkest regions of the universe.] 

For years the Maha Mantra resonated in my language and especially in my mind, it was the echo of years of love singing it. Yes I never made great efforts to sing rounds, actually the greatest fun was when I could sing 64 or more a day... Haridas Thakur my favorite Saint Vaisnava boasted 192 a day. 

But apart from the numbers ... It was Rupa of "food for life" and Nikunja that reconnected me. Rupa told me the right sentence at the right time that I get a little light in my heart and Nik brought me back I want to have humanitarian purposes by adopting a baby in food for life. 

I went back to Vrindaban after 7 years of light off where I put everything and everyone in a black bag. Radharani has always been very merciful with me.... she played easily in my heart. Little Radha Raman was always there with his heart in his hand, as well as the Goswami families. 

I apologized to the Vaisnava for the insults and start again slowly looking for a place for me and my son near the devotees. But I haven't found the place yet. I don't think of philosophical debates where you throw yourself down with each other to support your view of following a particular sampradaya. I find that you make everything clear, that you bring out the worst in you and in me... I have a heart that can't stand it anymore.

[PADA: Well yep, telling everyone to go to the molester messiah's camp, Sridara camp, Narayan camp, babaji camp, etc. has create a massive schism problem in ISKCON.]    

Yesterday I had intercostal dense fog that I lay on the couch ready to die... but nothing. I'm still here confiding my mind to you. I've written in secret diaries for years and now I'm throwing everything on Facebook... yes a cry for help to the universe! What do I do I keep locking myself and my little world? 

Because I have more affection for people and devotees, the more I get hurt when there are debates about philosophy, or about Covid........ I'd rather sing only the Holy Name than live with those who bring others down to raise themselves (and not Krishna) the most fierce and convinced are the ones who fill their heads with notions... maybe because they don't empty their assholes! 

[PADA: Yep, it is amazing there are a number of devotees who send me countless links to politics and Covid issues etc. and they rarely ever say anything about Krishna. Of course, GBC mess dis-connected them from Krishna and so now they have got sucked into mundane affairs.] 

For me the measure is the sweetness that comes out of the lips, actions and looks.... ALWAYS! Yes, always and not just like traders to sell you something or catch souls! 

[PADA: False gurus are materialistic sellers and traders who -- catch souls. Who else could have summed it up so nicely? This is great.]

Stay away from me religious and fans of a God that only serves you to magnify your IO.... another elite, other manipulators, others who in the name of God make crusades with the weapons of words and knowledge.... stay away from me ... don't disturb my ignorance, yes my ignoring all this ′′ spiritual ′′ evolution that is so trivial to me. 

I'm still fleeing and I'll forever flee from a world so sick of reasons or wrongs, of need of purity and of Guru at the height. In Vrindaban you would go to serve, to follow in the footsteps of the pastor, to sing the Holy Name.... but now we argue over the issue of Raganuga Manjari or Rupanuga.... and I fear for a perverted humanity! 

For the photo: I'm not Indian and I honor my body as a gift of life and God. I live with it everyday and if you have problems delete me from your friendships. Why don't I convert to a Vaisnavism contaminated by your ego... I already have mine and that's enough! Krishna is God is not Hindu!

[PADA: Very sad that the GBC gurus have created all this mayhem, just for this one nice lady. Imagine the karma of creating the same mayhem for tens of thousands of people, like Bhagavan and his pals? These guys are going down, unfortunately, they dragged many others down with them. ys pd]

"Srila Prabhupada Said" Facebook Site

 https://www.facebook.com/groups/129335056949/

Brief Description Of Katyayani Vrata

Goddess Katyayani

KATYAYANI-VRATA  

Katyayani-vrata is a month-long vow of worshipping the demigoddess Katyayani, a form of Krishna's material, illusory energy. Katyayani is often worshiped for temporary, material gains, but Krishna's cowherd girlfriends, the gopis, worshiped her to have Krishna as their husband. The Srimad-Bhagavatam describes how the gopis followed this vrata in the chapter entitled "Krishna Steals the Garments of the Unmarried Gopi Girls."

Krishna stole their dress for THREE REASONS:

(1) The Gopis bathed in the holy river Yamuna naked. It is an offence. So, Krishna wanted to teach them lesson. So, He played like this.

(2) The Gopis were praying to have Krishna as husband. So, Krishna asked them to come in natural state before Him by stealing their dress. As only husband can see a girl without dress, they became His wives.

(3) Krishna is the Purusha (enjoyer) and all the jeevas are Females though we live in male or female bodies.

Let us read that lila briefly:

Early in the morning, the gopis used to go to the bank of the Yamuna to take bath. They would assemble together, capturing each other’s hands, and loudly sing of the wonderful pastimes of Krishna.

It is an old system among Indian girls and women that when they take bath in the river they place their garments on the bank and dip into the water. The portion of the river where the girls and women take bath was strictly prohibited to any male member, and this is still the system.

The Supreme Personality of Godhead, knowing the minds of the unmarried young gopis, benedicted them with their desired objective. They had prayed for Krishna to become their husband, and Krishna wanted to fulfill their desires.

At the end of the month, Krishna, along with His friends, appeared on the scene. Another name of Krishna is Yogesvara, or master of all mystic powers. By practicing meditation, the yogi can study the psychic movement of other men, and certainly Krishna could understand the desire of the gopis.

Appearing on the scene, Krishna immediately collected all the garments of the gopis, climbed up in a nearby tree, and with smiling face began to speak to them.

Krishna spoke to the gopis: “My dear girls,” He said. “Please come here one after another and pray for your garments and then take them away. I’m not joking with you. I’m just telling the truth. I have no desire to play any joke with you, for you have observed the regulative principles for one month by worshiping goddess Katyayani. Please do not come here all at once. Come alone;”

Gopis begged their best. But, Krishna was firm in His order. When the gopis saw that Krishna was strong and determined, they had no alternative but to abide by His order. One after another they came out of the water. Their simple presentation was so pure that Lord Krishna immediately became pleased with them.

All the unmarried gopis who prayed to Katyayani to have Krishna as their husband were thus satisfied. A woman cannot be without dress before any male except her husband. The unmarried gopis desired Krishna as their husband, and He fulfilled their desire in this way. Being pleased with them, He took their garments on His shoulder and began to speak as follows:

“My dear girls, you have committed a great offense by bathing without dress in the river Yamuna. Because of this, the predominating deity of the Yamuna, Varunadeva, has become displeased with you. Please, therefore, just touch your foreheads with folded palms and bow down before the demigod Varuna in order to be excused from this offensive act.”

The gopis were all simple souls, and whatever Krishna said they took to be true. In order to be freed from the wrath of Varunadeva, as well as to fulfill the desired end of their vows and ultimately to please their worshipable Lord, Krishna, they immediately abided by His order.

Thus they became the greatest lovers of Krishna, and His most obedient servitors.”

When this lila happened, Krishna was just about eight years old. Thus, Krishna taught them lesson to take bath with dress and also fulfilled their wish to get Krishna as husband.

Today is start of Katyayani Vrat. The Month when the Gopis of Vrndavan worshipped Mother Katyayani to get Krsna as their Husband. One many question why did the Gopis worship Katyayani Mother Durga?

Srila Prabhupada explained in the 4th verse of Srimad Bhagavatam 10.22 that they Durgadevi they worshipped is different from the Durgadevi in the material world. 

"According to various ācāryas, the goddess Durgā mentioned in this verse is not the illusory energy of Kṛṣṇa called Māyā but rather the internal potency of the Lord known as Yoga-māyā...

"The name Durgā therefore refers also to that personality who functions as the internal potency of the Lord and who is thus on the platform of śuddha-sattva, pure transcendental existence. This internal potency is understood to be Kṛṣṇa’s sister, known also as Ekānaṁśā or Subhadrā. This is the Durgā who was worshiped by the gopīs in Vṛndāvana. Several ācāryas have pointed out that ordinary people are sometimes bewildered and think that the names Mahā-māyā and Durgā refer exclusively to the external potency of the Lord.

In a Room Conversation Srila Prabhupada said that Durga is a advent of Radharani.

"getting facilities to approach gopīs they worship Kātyāyanī for getting Kṛṣṇa as a husband. So we according to the order of Govinda. Therefore to approach Govinda, if one prays to Kātyāyanī, it is very helpful. 

Devotees: Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Devotee: Kātyāyanī is also Durgā?

Prabhupāda: Yes, advent of Rādhā, maidservant. [end]"

The demigoddess have their original personalities in the spiritual world. The Brahma Samitha also talks of a DIVINE SARASVATI, The consort of Lord Narayana. Before Lord Brahma received the Gayatri Mantra from Lord Krsna, he received another mantra from Mother Saraswati. 

Translation

Then the goddess of learning Sarasvatī, the divine consort of the Supreme Lord, said thus to Brahmā who saw nothing but gloom in all directions, "O Brahmā, this mantra, viz., klīṁ kṛṣṇāya govindāya gopī-jana-vallabhāya svāhā, will assuredly fulfill your heart's desire

(Brahma Samitha 5.24.)

But this was before Lord Brahma started creation. So there is a DIVINE Sarasvati. Similarly there is Divine Durgadevi known as Yoga-Maya. It was to this Yoga Maya Durga that the Gopis prayed too.