Sītā-devī is also expansion of Rādhārāṇī. They are the same tattva.
Lecture SB 1/7.43 Oct 3 1976
"This morning I was reading about Sītā-devī's being kidnapped by Rāvaṇa. Now, because there was not Rāmacandra present and Lakṣmaṇa was also not present, she was unguarded and Rāvaṇa took the opportunity to kidnap her. So even Sītā-devī, she is goddess of fortune, she is the spiritual potency of Lord Rāmacandra, she is not ordinary woman, but showing us the example that even Sītā-devī... Sītā-devī is the original potency. Of course, Rāvaṇa could not kidnap Sītā-devī as she is. That is not possible. This is described in another Purāṇa, that when Rāvaṇa came to kidnap Sītā, Sītā-devī disappeared from there and she kept a māyā form, false form, and Rāvaṇa kidnapped her. This is stated in very authoritative scripture. When Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu was traveling in South India, a brāhmaṇa invited Him. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu at noontime went there, but He saw the brāhmaṇa has not cooked anything. There was nothing prepared. And he was crying and reading Rāmāyaṇa. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu inquired, "Brāhmaṇa, why you are in such a depressed condition, you are crying?" "Sir, I am so..." He was in the ecstasy of Hanumān. "Sir, I am so unfortunate that Sītā-devī has been taken by Rāvaṇa and I could not rescue her still." In this way he was puzzled. So he did not cook anything. Then Caitanya Mahāprabhu pacified him. Then he cooked. He could understand that "I invited..." It was done. Then, when he was returning, I forget the name of the Purāṇa... Kūrma Purāṇa. He got evidences that Sītā-devī, when she was supposed to be kidnapped by Rāvaṇa, her a false form was kidnapped, and when Sītā-devī was tested, putting her into the fire, she entered into the fire and the māyā Sītā was burned and the original Sītā came out. So it was not possible for Rāvaṇa to touch even the lotus feet of mother Sītā. But apparently it is externally manifested that Sītā was taken away just to teach us that even Sītā-devī...
Sītā-devī is the origin of all potencies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Cit-śakti. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate (Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport). The Supreme Personality of Godhead has got many potencies, multipotencies, and one of the potency is hlādinī-śakti, pleasure potency. That pleasure potency is Sītā, Rādhārāṇī, Lakṣmī-devī. This has been described by Svarūpa-dāmodara Gosvāmī, rādhā kṛṣṇa-praṇaya-vikṛtir hlādinī-śaktir asmād ekātmānāv api bhuvi purā deha-bhedaṁ gatau tau (CC Adi 1.5). These are described, that the Kṛṣṇa's pleasure potency, Rādhārāṇī, is Kṛṣṇa. But to take pleasure They became two. Ekātmānāv api bhuvi purā deha-bhedaṁ gatau tau. They became divided into two, Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. Again, Śrī Caitanya, prakaṭam. When Kṛṣṇa came as Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, the Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa combined together. Therefore the devotees of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa or Caitanya Mahāprabhu, they worship śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya rādhā-kṛṣṇa nahe anya. They say. This is a fact. So Lord Rāmacandra is also Kṛṣṇa. Sītā-devī is also expansion of Rādhārāṇī. They are the same tattva.rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhannānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu kintukṛṣṇaḥ svayaṁ samabhavat paramaḥ pumān yogovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi(Bs. 5.39)
So here the example that even Sītā-devī, the direct potency of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, she is showing that without being protected, she can be ravished, she can be kidnapped, she can be misused by the rākṣasas. This is the example. Sītā-devī was quite competent, but this is the example.
The Lord has got unlimited potencies, so one of the potency is Rādhārāṇī or Lakṣmī or Sītā.Lecture on SB 7.9.26 -- Mayapur, March 4, 1976:
The Lord has got unlimited potencies, parasya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate (Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport). So one of the potency is Rādhārāṇī or Lakṣmī or Sītā. They are equal. There is no difference. Rādhā-kṛṣṇa-praṇaya-vikṛtir āhlādini-śaktir asmāt. These loving affairs between Rādhārāṇī and Kṛṣṇa or Nārāyaṇa and Lakṣmī or Sītā and Rāma, they are both of them the same. One is potency; another is potent. That is the difference, potent and potency.
PADA: More ISKCON folks are watching PADA videos on youtube and so on, and we just got a nice report from some of them. We are making progress.
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Qualifications of an Acharya [Mahesh Raja]
Bhagavad-gita 4.19 - Transcendental Knowledge
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Bhagavad-gita 4.19 -
Transcendental Knowledge
Because the person in Krishna consciousness is devoid of all kinds of sense-gratificatory propensities, it is to be understood that he has burned up the reactions of his work by perfect knowledge of his constitutional position as the eternal servitor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Nectar of Instruction 5
A madhyama-adhikari has received SPIRITUAL INITIATION from the spiritual master and has been FULLY ENGAGED BY HIM IN THE TRANSCENDENTAL LOVING SERVICE OF THE LORD.
Antya 4.192 - Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri
DIKSA-KALE bhakta kare atma-samarpana sei-kale krsna tare kare atma-sama
“AT THE TIME OF INITIATION, when a devotee fully surrenders unto the service of the Lord, Krishna accepts him to be as good as Himself.
Antya 4.193 - Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri “When the devotee’s body is thus transformed into spiritual existence, the devotee, in that transcendental body, renders service to the lotus feet of the Lord.
Antya 4.194 - Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri ”The living entity who is subjected to birth and death, when he gives up all material activities dedicating his life to Me for executing My order, and thus acts according to My direction, at that time he reaches the platform OF IMMORTALITY, AND BECOMES FIT TO ENJOY THE SPIRITUAL BLISS OF EXCHANGE OF LOVING MELLOWS WITH ME.”
Antya 4.194 - Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri This is a quotation from Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.29.34). At the time of initiation, a devotee gives up all his material conceptions. THEREFORE, BEING IN TOUCH WITH THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, HE IS SITUATED ON THE TRANSCENDENTAL PLATFORM. THUS HAVING ATTAINED KNOWLEDGE AND THE SPIRITUAL PLATFORM, HE ALWAYS ENGAGES IN THE SERVICE OF THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF KRISHNA.
When one is freed from material connections in this way, his body immediately becomes spiritual, and Krishna accepts His service. However, Krishna does not accept anything from a person with a material conception of life.
Note: ONLY a Mahabhagavata CAN TRANSFER Krishna in another's heart: DIKSHA your constitutional position ETERNAL SERVITIOR (SVARUPA) IS REVEALED when YOU SEE Krishna. When it is dark you can NOT see who YOU are but when SUN comes out YOU can SEE who YOU are.
Srimad Bhagavatam 10.2.18 -
Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Krishna in the Womb
As indicated here by the word manastah, the Supreme Personality of Godhead was TRANSFERRED from the core of Vasudeva’s mind or heart to the core of the heart of Devaki. We should note carefully that the Lord was transferred to Devaki not by the ordinary way for a human being, BUT BY DIKSHA, INITIATION. THUS THE IMPORTANCE OF INITIATION IS MENTIONED HERE. UNLESS ONE IS INITIATED BY THE RIGHT PERSON, WHO ALWAYS CARRIES WITHIN HIS HEART THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, ONE CANNOT ACQUIRE THE POWER TO CARRY THE SUPREME GODHEAD WITHIN THE CORE OF ONE’S OWN HEART.
SB 4.29.79 - Talks Between Narada and King Pracinabarhi
SELF-REALIZATION, UNDERSTANDING ONESELF AS BRAHMAN, OR SPIRIT SOUL, IS VERY DIFFICULT IN THE MATERIAL CONDITION. However, if we accept the devotional service of the Lord, the Lord will gradually reveal Himself. In this way the progressive devotee will gradually realize his spiritual position. We cannot see anything in the darkness of night, not even our own selves, but when there is sunshine we can see not only the sun but everything within the world as well.
Lectures, April 27, 1974, Hyderabad
So actually, this is the problem of living entities. That knowledge can be acquired in the human form of life and it can be solved, not that simply we get the knowledge, but it can be solved. So therefore, real business of human life, to understand oneself, that is called self-realization, brahma-bhuta, and find out the remedy and act accordingly.
That is the mission of human life. Not like to dance like cats and dogs with a nice dress. That is not human life. This is the subject matter of Bhagavad-gita, our whole Vedic instruction. Vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyah. This is God consciousness, Krishna consciousness, or self-realization.
SELF-REALIZATION MEANS EITHER YOU SEE YOURSELF OR SEE THE SUPREME LORD, EITHER WAY. BUT WITHOUT SEEING THE SUPREME LORD, YOU CANNOT SEE YOURSELF. Just like without seeing the sun in the darkness… Just like it is now night. There is no sun. So I cannot see also. In darkness I cannot see also myself. But when there is sun in the morning, I can see the sun and I can see myself also. This is the theory. So if we want to understand ourselves rightly, that “I am spirit soul,” aham brahmasmi, then we must take to Krishna consciousness.
Letter: Vilasavigraha, January 22, 1969
IN REGARD TO YOUR NEXT QUESTION, SELF REALIZATION MEANS GOD REALIZATION, AND GOD REALIZATION MEANS SELF REALIZATION. JUST LIKE TO SEE THE SUN MEANS TO SEE ONESELF, AND TO SEE ONESELF MEANS TO SEE THE SUN. SELF REALIZATION DEPENDS COMPLETELY UPON GOD REALIZATION, OR ELSE IT IS NOT COMPLETE. ONE MUST KNOW HIS RELATIONSHIP TO THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH TO FULLY KNOW HIS POSITION.
Note: Srila Prabhupada gives Divya-jnana (DIKSHA). Divya means TRANSCENDENTAL and Jnana means KNOWLEDGE. Hrde means heart and prokasito means revealed just as in prakasa – manifested Krishna becomes manifest in the heart of the Pure Devotee.
Lectures, July 11, 1976, New York
Prabhupada: Divya-jnana hrde prokasito. What is that divya-jnana? Divya-jnana is that we are all SERVANT OF KRISHNA, and our only business is to serve Krishna. Divya-jnana. This is divya-jnana. It is not difficult at all. Simply we have… We have become servant of so many things -- servant of society, servant of community, servant of country, servant of wife, servant of children, servant of dog and so many. “Now let me become servant of Krishna.” THIS IS DIVYA-JNANA. DIKSA MEANS FROM THIS DIVYA-JNANA. That is di. And ksa means ksapayati, expands.
When at the stage of Madhyama Adhikari one is RECIPIENT of THAT Diksha in the HEART from SRILA PRABHUPADA he becomes a SERVANT OF KRISHNA. He relishes a particular mellow (Rasa) of his relationship with Krishna. This point HE SEES KRISHNA and HIS RELATIONSHIP (svarupa) is established. So it is not so CHEAP to be Diksha guru.
Madhya 8.83 - Talks Between Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and Ramananda Raya The purport in presenting this verse necessitates explaining the comparative positions of the transcendental mellows known as SANTA, DASYA, SAKHYA, VATSALYA AND MADHURYA. All these rasas, or mellows, are situated on the TRANSCENDENTAL PLATFORM. Pure devotees take shelter of one of them and thus progress in spiritual life.
ACTUALLY ONE CAN TAKE SHELTER OF SUCH SPIRITUAL MELLOWS ONLY WHEN ONE IS COMPLETELY UNCONTAMINATED BY MATERIAL ATTACHMENT. WHEN ONE IS COMPLETELY FREE FROM MATERIAL ATTACHMENT, THE FEELINGS OF THE TRANSCENDENTAL MELLOWS ARE AWAKENED IN THE HEART OF THE DEVOTEE. THAT IS SVARUPA-SIDDHI, THE PERFECTION OF ONE’S ETERNAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SUPREME LORD.
Svarupa-siddhi, the eternal relationship with the Supreme Lord, may be situated in one of the transcendental mellows.
Note: ONE spiritual master who CAN transfer Krishna in your heart is Maha-Bhagavata. Kanistha is incapable and Madhyama is the RECIPIENT of Diksha. Madhyama is MIDDLE stage so he does NOT give Diksha he is the RECIPIENT of Diksha.
Krishna Book 80 - The Meeting of Lord Krishna with Sudama Brahmana Our next spiritual master is he who initiates us into transcendental knowledge, and he is to be worshiped as much as I am. The spiritual master may be more than one.
The spiritual master who instructs the disciples about spiritual matters is called shiksha-guru, and the spiritual master who initiates the disciple is called diksha-guru. Both of them are My representatives. THERE MAY BE MANY SPIRITUAL MASTERS WHO INSTRUCT, BUT THE INITIATOR SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ONE.
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**Topic**-Tribulation in the Service of Krsna - the Cost of Successful Preaching.......
Prabhupada: So when I was publishing this Back to Godhead from Delhi, one day one bull thrashed me, and I fell down on the footpath and I got severe injury. I was alone. So I was thinking, "What is this?" So I had many days of very tribulations, but it was all meant for good. So don't be afraid of tribulations. You see? Go forward. Krsna will give you protection. That is Krsna's promise in the Bhagavad-gita. [Bg. 9.31]
[He quickly becomes righteous and attains lasting peace. O son of Kunti, declare it boldly that My devotee never perishes.]>>> Ref. VedaBase => Lecture -- April 17, 1969, New York
Prabhupada: One who has taken Krsna as the Supreme Lord, Krsna as the Supreme Person, he has to tolerate so many things -- so many criticism, so many tribulations.>>> Ref. VedaBase => Bhagavad-gita 7.1 -- January 13, 1973, Bombay
Prabhupada: Because a devotee has to suffer so many tribulation. That is the history of all devotees. But he's never angry. He's never angry. Then he falls down. Just like Lord Jesus Christ. He was being crucified; he still, he was praying, "God, these people, they do not know what they are doing." Never angry. If he becomes angry, then who he'll preach? >>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.2 -- April 13, 1975, Hyderabad
Prabhupada: This is maya's arrangement. Maya, as soon as she sees that "This man is going out of my hand," she will put so many tribulations, and we have to tolerate them.>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.32 -- November 19, 1976, Vrndavana
Prabhupada: So in every kind of miseries we have to depend on Krishna and we should not be too much disturbed when such miseries come upon us. You have shown very great example in sticking yourself to chanting Hare Krishna while you were in tribulation. Follow this practice all along your life, and surely Krishna will accept you into the Kingdom of God, Back to Godhead.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: Upendra -- Los Angeles 13 February, 1968
Prabhupada: A devotee is pleased when there is difficulty, for in these difficulties he is forced to remember Krsna. We cannot expect that the people of Kali-yuga will welcome our attempt to spread Krsna consciousness. It is just like a lunatic asylum: The patients are running around madly and when the doctor tries to give them treatment, they insist that they are not crazy. Sometimes the patient even strikes the doctor. So our task is like that. We cannot stand to see people suffering due to ignorance.>>> Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: German Disciples -- Bombay May 6, 1977
Prabhupada: So devotees, even they are in distressed condition, they know, "It has come due to my bad activities in the past. It will go away. Let me suffer and finish it." Just like if you become, all of a sudden, infected with some disease. So what? You'll go mad? No. You know that "I have infected this disease. Let me suffer a few days. It will go." That's all. This is the mentality of the devotees. They are not disturbed. And if he's not disturbed, then he's fit for becoming liberated.>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay
Prabhupada: Caitanya Mahaprabhu advises We must be tolerant like the tree and humble like the blade of grass. Such persons can chant the Hare Krishna mantra and preach. In Bombay we are undergoing so many tribulations. What can be done?>>> Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: Subala -- Bombay 25 November, 1974
Hi mr. PADA. I saw that u share stories of dark side of isckon. Well I am also a victim of manipulation and spiritual bimbofication. My name is ******, I am 18 and I live in kanpur in uttar pradesh. I went to isckon kanpur on my birthday and honestly I loved the place. I wanted to buy something as a souvenir on my birthday so I asked some people some questions.
Then a boy who is a "vaishnava devotee" comes to me and starts explaining stuff about karma, Krishna consciousness and everything and like told me to buy bhagwad Geeta and also asked for my number so that he can include me in some group. I agreed with him and gave him my number.
He then made me join a particular group and he used to talk to me. After some time he proposed me and I didn't know anything, so I was like let's give it a shot and although isckon says illicit sex is banned he used to talk about vulgar stuff to me and even talking about meeting him somewhere outside the temple.
I eventually told him not to talk to me -- and broke up with him then also he used to stick around manipulate me that u will take multiple births and never reach godhead. He even was trying to convince me that I should marry him and start living with him in an ashram.
He used to drink, smoke and do everything and put restrictions on me for the slightest of things. He used to force me to attend Japa sessions and all of that stuff. Slowly I stopped and he added me in multiple groups. When I stopped his behaviour became very harsh he was extremely rude and everything.
Slowly I quit all the groups got calls from multiple people and lots of so called matajis telling me stuff. In the end I found out he was a sick creep who used to pretend super spiritual while drinking smoking having multiple girls who were at least 10 years to 15 years younger than him, and he was around 28.
The manipulation has left me drained from inside and scared too. Plus he is not the only one is isckon kanpur who is like this. There are plenty of people there who prey on us young girls, brainwash them, and make them do disgusting stuff. Please highlight this topic through your blog.
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Russian GBC ISKCON guru does not accept disciples from Ukraine.
The following message is secretly sent out among Ukrainian senior devotees:
"Dear devotees. Please accept my respectful obeisances.
Due to the difficult situation in Ukraine, His Grace Chaitanya Chandra Charan Prabhu, together with the GBC Executive Committee, decided to suspend receiving initiations and pranam mantras for his disciples and candidates located Ukraine. Your servant Devakinandan Dasa."
This Russian guru, a disciple of Jayapataka, previously spoke out FOR Russia devotees to serve in the Russian army -- if they were mobilized for a war with Ukraine. After this, Ukrainian devotees became very angry with him, and some of his disciples from Ukraine even began to reject him as a guru.
Now it is obvious that bodily identified hatred has reached such a point that the Russian guru stopped accepting Ukrainian disciples in principle, selecting them on the basis of nationality. That is their spirituality.
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BUY ONE GET TWO FREE
THE PRINCIPLE OF RE-INITIATION IS IMPLEMENTED
Jayapataka had found an obscure prescription for the practice of re-initiation in Sri Krishna- bhajanamrta by Narahari Thakura and the GBC approved of it. However, nowhere did Srila Prabhupada mention anything in his teachings even remotely similar to re-initiation. It was just a convenient technique adopted by the zonals to deal with the issue of guru falldowns, providing a crude method to clean up the mess their own policies had created.
Many devotees were reinitiated 2, 3, 4 or more times in the 1980’s. When Jayatirtha defected to Sridhara Maharaja and was then expelled as ISKCON GBC and guru, and even as a member, his zone was given to Bhagavan das Goswami, who flew to England from France. He went about solidifying his control and ensuring the loyalty of the local leaders, changing many of them to his own disciples.
Then he gave a week’s deadline to Jayatirtha’s disciples to take reinitiation from him or leave. It was a very traumatic time, difficult and heart - wrenching for those who had been sold on the lie that Jayatirtha and the zonal acharyas were pure devotees. Unfortunately, from 1982 onwards until the present, this drama has continued to play out in ISKCON again and again, as ISKCON’s unauthorised gurus fall down from the shastrically - dictated standards, and their disciples are courted by other gurus for re-initiation or “shelter.”
SRILA PRABHUPADA CAN GIVE SHELTER BUT NOT INITIATION?
When a guru falls down or is otherwise no longer qualified as an initiating guru, the GBC will remove him and issue a standard letter of condolences and advice to the disappointed disciples of that former guru. For example, when in 2016 Gunagrahi Swami, an ISKCON approved guru since 2012, announced that he had an addiction for pornography and thus was resigning as guru, the GBC issued a statement via Bhakticharu Swami with this excerpt:
“We want to assure you that, since you were duly initiated in accordance with ISKCON law, you are in good spiritual standing. Whether you continue to take shelter, guidance and siksha from Gunagrahi Prabhu [no longer Swami?] is entirely up to you. We encourage you, especially at this time, to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada and his instructions, as His Divine Grace is the preeminent siksha guru for all ISKCON devotees.
"We also encourage you to seek guidance of other senior devotees in ISKCON. As long as you continue to take guidance from Srila Prabhupada and his sincere followers and remain strict in your spiritual practices, you will be safe and secure under Lord Krishna’s protection.”
In other words: do not worry that your initiating guru watches pornography because ISKCON “law” says that such an initiation is still “valid,” and besides, Srila Prabhupada is still there, but only as siksha guru. Whether your diksha initiation actually happened, or whether it is still intact, are unanswered questions that hopefully no one will not know to ask.
Generally these questions do not arise, and this speaks to the poor quality of intelligence and independent thinking capabilities of today’s ISKCON devotees. They say that one’s siksha guru generally becomes one’s diksha guru- so why is Srila Prabhupada excepted? (see Book Two)” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories, 1.554)
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Lord Narasimgha.
So nobody can kill God. The demons, Godless society, they simply want to kill God. But actually, God is never killed, but the demon is killed by God. That is the law of nature. This is the instruction from Prahlad Maharaj’s life. We can understand that as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, mrtyuh sarva-haras caham. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said that “I am also death in the shape of taking away everything, whatever you possess.” We are very much proud of possessing material things, material acquisition, but when Krishna comes… just like Maharaj, Prahlad Maharaj saw Hiranyakasipu. His father also saw Nrsimhadeva.
This Hiranyakasipu was very clever as the materialists, scientists, are very clever. Cleverly they are inventing so many things. What is the idea? The idea is “We shall live forever and enjoy sense gratification more and more.” This is called atheistic advancement of civilization. So Hiranyakasipu was typical materialist. Hiranya means gold, and kasipu means soft bed, cushion.
So materialist persons, they are very much fond of gold and enjoying sex. That is their business. So Hiranyakasipu is the typical example of this materialistic person. And Prahlad Maharaj, prakrsta-rupena ahlada. Ahlada means transcendental bliss. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhih. Living entities’ real identification is prahlad, blissfulness. But on account of material association, we are in miserable condition of life.
So this Hiranyakasipu wanted to become immortal, and he underwent penances, severe penances, so much so, the whole universe became trembled. So that Brahma, Lord Brahma, had to come to pacify him, “What do you want?” So he wanted to become immortal. Lord Brahma said that “Although I have got very long duration of life…”
The duration of life of Brahmaji is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, sahasra-yuga-paryantam arhad yad brahmano viduh. Sahasra-yuga, one group of yugas… Satya, Treta, Dvapara, Kali… it becomes about forty-three lakhs of years. And multiply these forty-three lakhs of years by one thousand, that duration of time is Brahma’s twelve hours, one day. Sahasra-yuga-paryantam arhad yad brahmano viduh.
So that Brahma who lives for millions of trillions of years, still, he has to die. Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-duhkha-dosanu-darsanam. Wherever you go within this material world, either in the Brahmaloka or in the Patala-loka, you have to die. That is the problem. Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita, “Real problem is janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi, birth, death, old age and disease.” Just try to…
So Hiranyakasipu wanted to solve these in a materialstic way, but that is not possible. Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita, kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati. Kaunteya pratijanihi: “Arjuna, you can declare it all over the world that anyone who has taken shelter at My lotus feet, become devotee, he will never be vanquished.” Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah.
So these are the assurances. But the atheist class of men like Hiranyakasipu cannot understand this. That is the defect. They challenge always God. The dissension between the father and the son was that the son was believer in God, Krishna, and the father was not. So at the end the father saw what is God in the form of death.
At that time he could not save him. So that is the difference between theist and atheist. The atheist always challenges, “Where is God? Can you show me?” Well, you will see. Not now. Just at the maturation of your all sinful activities, when death will come, you will see Him. This is going on.
So it is very instructive lesson, Prahlad Maharaj. Now it is getting late. Otherwise, I would have recited some of the verses recited by Sri Prahlad Maharaj. Prahlad Maharaj is one of our gurus. There are twelve gurus, or mahajana.
PADA: Sorry prabhu, I did not have anything to do with the wording of the court case, the molested children had been told that Srila Prabhupada wanted them to be in the GBC guru program. I never said that and I was not in charge of ISKCON and those making these policies.
The children were taking their lives at that stage, and we had to stop that. And the pedophile guru system and Mathura Pati types were saying that having children leave their bodies is acceptable. They wanted the body count to increase. Also hundreds of kids were pulled out of their schools, and they wanted them to stay there and suffer more mistreatment.
So they wanted children to suffer, and leave their bodies, and that is what they have said all along, we should not have helped these kids, let them be mistreated and leave their bodies. That would have eventually been even worse publicity.
Mathura Pati types never explain why they are authorized to promote a system where children are mistreated and leave their bodies, which is what the GBC wanted. Anyway, to say I am a liar is what the GBC says, they are their parrots.
But yeah, even the victims here tell me, the GBC / IRM / Mathura Pati club wanted all of us to all be left in their schools and then leaving our bodies, they are with the regime. The regime says PADA and us victims are all liars, because that is how pedophile cults oppress complaints. Just look at the videos below if you want to see what happens to victims of the program Mathura Pati types now say "is all PADA's lies."
Sorry, the victims are not liars, their oppressors are. As soon as they found out hundreds of kids were pulled from GBC schools, and the suicides went down, then the GBC defenders like Mathura Pati all started crying "oh no, someone has stopped our mass molesting and suicide program." He is crying that children were saved from abuse and suicides, so -- yeah, whose side is he on? Various victims tell me, we know whose side he is on, and it is not ours.
ISKCON's "Motivational Speakers" -- borrowed from these guys?
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REDUCED GURU PUJA?
KKD: A devotee I knew very well became an approved initiating guru in ISKCON. One day I asked him what difference he felt before and after becoming a ‘guru.’ His first response was that his words took on an absolute quality for his disciples. He’s careful about what he says.
PADA: A devotee told me his guru is speaking slower and slower and slower over the years, because he is realizing everything he says is being recorded so he is trying to be extra careful what he says.
It’s why we see disciples recording every word of their gurus. Whereas sastra says that an acarya should never be considered ordinary, in many cases, ordinary devotees become a ‘guru’ along with absolute expectations for disciples. Disciples inevitably turn their ‘gurus’ into the extraordinary, but the devotees who become ‘guru’ remains the same person before and after becoming ‘guru.’
This individual I knew remained a ‘guru’ for only a couple of years, but he was exalted by his disciples just as all other disciples did with their gurus. For instance, are there any records of Srila Prabhupada demanding that there be huge, extravagant and prolonged Vyasa-puja celebrations for his own gurudeva Srila Bhaktisiddhanta?
He certainly had the resources and means to do this, but did he? Why not? If Srila Prabhupada didn’t indulge in extravagant guru worship of his own guru, why does it happen in ISKCON with far less qualified ‘gurus?’
Granted! Devotees are not exactly ordinary people if they’re dedicating their lives for Krishna, yet we’re adept at making the slightly above ordinary into the super most extraordinary in ISKCON. Why? ‘Gurus’ who can’t get past anartha-nivritti aren’t extraordinary are they.
The GBC has supposedly toned down the scale of guru worship, but disciples have a knack of pushing boundaries and doing bigger and better guru worship because they do not see their ‘gurus’ as ordinary.
This outdoing of Srila Prabhupada’s simple heart-to-heart connection with his spiritual master started with the zonal acarya system. Guru worship today is as extravagant as it was then in some cases. Not much has changed and the absolute quality of the words of often struggling ‘gurus’ is part of the problem. If guru worship was as simple as how Srila Prabhupada showed by his example, a lot of money could be spent on more essential needs.
Ys KK Dasa
PADA: We reduced our pooja, but in Los Angeles we are having a big Guru Puja for Jayapataka, leader of the pedophile lover's program in Mayapur.
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The Sampradaya Acharya
AD: WE ACCEPT THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA IS THE SAMPRADAYA ACHARYA, THEN WHAT EVER HE DOES BECOMES THE LAW OR BECOMES THE STANDARD. “ACT AS RITTVIK” WAS HIS ORDER. THAT CANNOT BE DENIED. ISK-CON AND THE DONKEY CLASS OF MEN, THE GBC, NEGLECTED THIS AND TOOK AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE. THAT HAS PROVED TO BE DISASTEROUS. NOW THEY WANT TO CONCOCT ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. WHY NOT JUST FOLLOW THE ORDER?
Well, it does not PAY to follow the order. Each temple is a Corporation and rubber-stamped gurus are placed as the owners of the corporation. The ISK-CON devotees are simply supporting the corporation and the DONKEY CLASS OF MEN, the gurus, who run the corporations. This is what is called the GURU BUSINESS.
The corporation and DONKEY Class of gurus are the only beneficiaries. Not the Krishna consciousness movement nor the Isk-Con devotees.
These sahajiyas [pretenders] who decry the teachings of Lord Krishna and the sampradaya Acharya Srila Prabhupada, have no intention, nor do they have the ability, to take you back home back to godhead.
In Chaitanya-charitamrita, Madhya-lila, Chapter Seven, text 126 & 127 Lord Chaitanya’s method of preaching and Prabhupada’s comments regarding the process of preaching Lord Chaitanya practiced while traveling throughout South India (a period of about two years) are very necessary for all devotees to study and understand clearly.
The brahmana named Kurma begged Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, “My dear Lord, kindly show me favour and let me go with You. I can no longer tolerate the waves of misery caused by materialistic life.”
Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu replied, “Don’t speak like that again. Better to remain at home and chant the holy name of Krishna always.
One can remain comfortably in his residence. We simply request everyone to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. If one is a little literate and can read Bhagavad-gita As It Is and Srimad Bhagavatam, that would be good. One should also refrain from sinful activities-illicit sex, meat eating, gambling and intoxication.
The real purpose of human life is to attain the spiritual platform and return to Godhead. That is the summum bonum of spiritual realization. The Krishna consciousness movement is trying to elevate human society to the perfection of life by pursuing the method described by Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in His advice to the brahmana Kurma. That is, one should stay at home, chant the Hare Krishna mantra and preach the instructions of Krishna AS THEY ARE given in Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam.
Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu further advised the brahmana Kurma, “If you follow this instruction, your materialistic life at home will not obstruct your spiritual advancement. Indeed, if you follow these regulative principles, we will again meet here, or, rather, you will NEVER LOSE MY COMPANY.”
This is an opportunity for everyone. If one simply follows the instructions of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, under the guidance of His representative, SRILA PRABHUPADA and chants the Hare Krishna mantra, teaching everyone a far as possible the same principle, the contamination of the materialistic way of life will not even touch him. It does not matter whether one lives in a HOLY PLACE like Vrindavana, Navadwipa or Jagnnatha Puri or in the midst of European cities where the materialistic way of live is very prominent.
If a devotee follows the instructions of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, he lives in THE COMPANY OF THE LORD. Wherever he lives, he converts that place into Vrindavan and Navadwipa. This means that materialism CONNOT TOUCH HIM. This is the secret of success for one advancing in Krishna consciousness.
Now there are 250 gurus. Srila Prabhupada was ONE guru. We know what he has done In 16 years. What have all these 250 new gurus done? Have they done 250 times as much as Srila Prabhupada? Have they done 10 times as much? Have they done twice as much? Have they done anything?!!!
Many things were never done before. Ramanujacharya engaged dacoits for collection, then had them killed. Madhvacharya pummeled his opponents. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu sang and danced in public–never done before by sannyasis. Buddha rejected the Vedas. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada created a GBC to manage his preaching mission, leaving no successor acharya , as was traditionally done. Srila Prabhupada made the same arrangement.
In both instances, the order was DISOBEYED, and in both instances the result was the same–CHAOS, CONFUSION and DISINTEGRATION of the Acharya’s mission. Great acharyas like Srila Prabhupada do establish the principles of religion according to Time, Place and Circumstances.
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PADA IS A LIAR UPDATE
MRD: Isnt criticizing devotees who dedicate their lives to spread the holy names an offense to the holy name? I see this sanga very sincere by the fact those books are authorized by Srila Prabhupada! To those who are going on book distribution and harinan Sankirtan Srila Prabhupada has a special place in his heart.
PADA: Well great, but the GBC people also distribute books and do harinama. Mathura Pati has said that I should not have helped the child mistreatment victims and their lawsuit, which helped get hundreds of kids pulled out of GBC schools, and stopped the epidemic of the victims taking their lives. And he has wrote on his site saying I am bogus for saving these children, and his works are being circulated now by various GBC guru people.
He furthermore has blocked and removed the statements from Srila Prabhupada where he says we should print the original way, and not the "rascal editors" way. He is banning the statements of Srila Prabhupada about what is an original book. So he is distributing books, which is good, but he does not agree with Srila Prabhupada about what is an original book.
And he is saying that stopping child mistreatment is a deviation, which is exactly what the GBC people argue. Srila Prabhupada never said that stopping children from being mistreated is a deviation, he said it is our duty to make sure there is none. ys pd
MRD: Mathura Pati Das can't read what youre writing. This is not vaisnava ettiquete.
PADA: He can write me anytime at my e-mail if he has any comment. When he was discussing with me on FB, he said over and over and over and over and over that my stopping children from being mistreated is a crazy and foolish deviation, and I am a liar etc. and his writings are now being circulated by GBC people. I already know what the GBC people say since 1978 and I don't need to see someone repeating them all day long.
All he ever says is what Tamal says, and I do not have time to waste on Tamal's disciples, I have a lot of other things going on. Saying that I am a liar is also what the GBC says, and name calling is not allowed in actual debates. He needs to make a substantial argument why his plan of allowing child mistreatment to continue and not have me check it -- is bona fide, and he never does.
When he has something concrete to add, he can send it to me. Anyone who uses name calling in an actual debates is blocked and removed, it is not allowed even in karmi debates. But yeah, he is saying is it all lies when I am representing thousands of victims, that means he is calling the victims liars. He is doing what Tamal does. ys pd
MRD: He has anything to do with the gbc. And people know that... Anyway. Thanks for the reply...
PADA: Wrong. His writings against me are being circulated by GBC people. He is writing papers used by them. So right away, you are not being factual. Told ya! ys pd
MRD: His writings ? Which ones?
PADA: He has made posts against me, on his site, and the GBC folks are circulating links to his site, and sending to me and others. His writings are being used by GBC people, and his writings say that the thousands of children I represent and me are liars. That is what the GBC says the whole time. That is the prime defense of child mistreatment cults, the victims and their advocates are liars. ys pd
MRD: You both are tagged here. You have more in common...
PADA: No, we have nothing in common with the people calling children victims and their advocates liars, that is how he and his pals enable mass child mistreatment. It is a felony crime to suppress and block complaints of child abuse in the USA. He is a criminal, at least by karmi standards.
And no, he blocks the quotes we give from Prabhupada about original books. He does not even know what an original books is, and he won't allow the quote on that topic either. ys pd
MRD: smh
Rosalba Rukmini Ramana: Mathura Pati said that Srila Prabhupada did not translate properly from sanskrit the part I am going to post here about the globe planet earth. Mathura Pati is the one of the fools re-translating the original Srila Prabhupada book in deuch? Another Hridayananda in the ritvik field.
PADA: And Mathura Pati has been working with Purujit, who quotes Jayadvaita that we have to make another Gita, and he made one. We only accept the MAC 72 version that we all use .... and Prabhupada used. Purujit making another version is the same thing the GBC does. Birds of a feather. ys pd
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PADA: Thanks MMD: "PADA is a liar." Worked good for them ... in the 1980s. That is when they had thousands of people to say that. One by one ... they all dropped away. They are mostly all gone. Many of them ... not even on the planet anymore.
Now there is just a small handful remaining saying that. They got left holding the bag. Feel sorry for them. They just don't get it. Someone has to tell them "Johnny is a liar" is kindergarten level debate. It won't work among mature adults. I don't know even where the lies are, since ... all the things we talked about ... have been proven as facts. ys pd
PADA: Radhanath was a big player in keeping all the New Vrndavana madness going on long after it had gone full on bonkers. And he still is promoting Kirtanananda, for example he helped bury Kirtanananda in a samadhi. The madness never ends.
I think these Namarasa folks are sympathetic to Radhanath, and that is perhaps why they "disabled comments" on this video. They don't want to hear "the other side of the story" from other eye-witnesses and observers. OK us. They are however correct, the info is all out there now and people who Google it will come across all sorts of stuff, including -- PADA's. The cat is out of the bag.
Someone wrote to me that we should no longer keep picking on Radhanath because he has repented. Where has he ever apologized to Sulochana and us for his role in making us targets? I don't see any repenting here. ys pd
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AD: Perhaps 0% tolerance is simply walking away from any involvement with an institution that has actively worked against finding a better way for families, for children, to learn to love Krsna etc., without it being associated with rape, molestation, murders, theft, beatings, bullying, isolation, exclusion, suicides, intimidation, silencing, disbelief and poisonings.
PADA: Yep, most people did walk away. And that is better than supporting. But they did little to nothing to correct the situation, and that helped the evil influences over the situation deteriorate things FAR worse and worse. Then we ended up having group of fanatical -- and potentially violent -- personality cults, full of many deviations, and even more abominable conditions were allowed to flourish, especially mass child abuse.
The people who abandoned the ship while the remaining citizens [especially the children] left on board were allowed to endure worse suffering -- if not drowning altogether -- was not a heroic act by any analysis. It has been the duty of all of Prabhupada's disciples to ensure that his legacy was not turned into a nightmare.
That is not what happened, they did not defend him, his worship, his books, his children, his institution, his deities -- and so it was exploited, infected, and more or less disintegrated. And in large part, destroyed. That would not have happened if more people had stood up to the deviants. ys pd
PADA: Lots of GBC type people complain that they don't like Madhu Pandit dasa. No kidding, he is giving Krishna a good name.
PADA: Thanks JD. Good question. Why does Mathura Pati / Mathias Sabji / Prabhupadanugas EU join the GBC saying that PADA is deviating by saving children from being starved, beaten, molested, and raped? Yes, that would mean, allowing children to be mistreated is bona fide and worse -- "what Srila Prabhupada and Krishna wanted," which is why we had to sue his pedo club for $400,000,000 -- to save more victims from getting tossed into their regime.
No normal person thinks that saving children from being mistreated and even raped is a deviation, except these GBC pedo loving guys. I agree. They are a pedophile club, and that is what even the mundane media people have told me is -- correct.
They also do not like Madhu Pandit, because he is feeding millions of children and helping them. It is a pattern.
He says that he has "unmasked PADA as a deviation" -- because we saved numerous children from being mistreated. Saving children from being mistreated is a deviation for the members of their pedo cult, and that is why the GBC molester messiah's team's people are sending me his writings now, they are a pedo loving team.
Yes, but the good news is -- 9999.9999 percent of the human society, the police, the FEDS, the courts, the media, and actually all normal moral people, are on my side and not theirs. Their pedo club is being dismantled as we speak, and many new people are joining the PADA team to expose, counter and fix their molester cult all the time.
And yeah, he always smiles and jokes about the PADA issue of children being in Auschwitz, just like Tamal and his other mentors also did. People suffering is always a comedy hour for these folks. He acts like them, talks like them, writes like them, jokes about this issue like them. They are a team. And that is why GBC people are now sending me his writings, they are all on the same side of this issue.
And yeah, someone said they should be exposed more widely, even with government child welfare and other agencies in EU and Germany, and these people are working on exposing him to some of agencies there now, as the leader and chief defender of a pedo loving cult, and thus he wants to dismantle and discredit the people exposing his pedo cult. For example, he says we are liars, to discredit all the thousands of children victims of his cult that we represent.
But yes, it should be understood, the pedo lover's club started all this, and we are simply defending ourselves, which is our God given Bhagavad Gita right. But further than that, we have actually a God given duty to oppose these pedo loving cults.
IN THE HIGH COURT OF DELHI AT NEW DELHI
+ CS(OS) 179/2023
H.H. LOKANATH SWAMI THROUGH DULY CONSTITUTED
POWER OF ATTORNEY RALF STEFAN GIESENHAUS S/O
VOLKER GIESENHAUS
CASE DISPOSED
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DD: Lokanath and his people tried to sue for defamation. But there was no defamation. We informed people only what was already in the public domain - and ISKCON officially broadcast the same information to a broader circulation.
I believe that the case was successfully disputed by our legal team primarily on jurisdictional grounds. Why should a court in India be able to dictate to overseas nationals who had broken no laws in India nor in their home countries - which anyway have different statutes regarding what constitutes defamation?
But initially the first judge that looked at the case gave Lokanath's legal team what they had asked for - a gag order - which our legal team advised us to comply with. So it took a little time to challenge - lightning speed when one considers how long some cases get dragged out for.
PADA: My thoughts exactly. How could a court in India decide if people in the USA were exercising their legal freedom of speech? Or if -- what was stated about Lokanath -- was either true or not true, since the incident took place here, and therefore the victim, the other parties and participants, are also from here? And the person who originally published Satya's letter is -- PADA, who also lives here.
It would seem that their case would have had to be filed in the USA, but then -- that would have produced a big can or worms -- if people like myself and others were asked to testify or produce affidavits. Yeah, a giant can of worms. Sadly, these GBC gurus and their goondas are often really aggressive in defending their deviated acharyas.
Suing the people who complained about Lokanath back fired in my opinion since, many people thought it was an over the top attack on innocent people bringing forward factual material. It makes Lokanath and his party look more and more like goondas and not sadhus. Anyway, the courts finally decided there was no merit to their case and it has been dissolved.
That means -- the original issue, that Lokanath molested a female child when she was only 11 years old, still stands as a factual complaint. And the Lokanath folks have done nothing to convince us otherwise. Of course, Lokanath is not the only deviant in their alleged guru parampara, there has been an overall problem of many of their gurus falling down into a variety of deviations.
PADA has a lot of experience dealing with the GBC's goonda tactics over the years, and they can make life very stressful and dangerous for "dissenters." And trying to attack innocent people discussing these issues is simply one more example of their odious tactics.
We are glad the court cleared this case off their docket and everyone can resume open discussion of these issues again. Again, attacking these people has simply back fired and made them look more goonda-ish, and has thus given more people ammunition to diminish the GBC authority. And in the end, all they did was draw even more attention to their deviation of promoting false gurus like Lokanath.
ys pd
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Thank you to the ISKCON Denver temple presidents who wrote a letter condemning child abuser Kesava Bharati being rewarded with free meals and lodging at the ISKCON Govardhan Palace after he was found guilty of child molestation by the ISKCON Child Protection Office.
“Dear devotees, Our obeisances to you.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Regarding GBC's request to allow Keshava Bharati residence at Govardhan ISKCON, sometimes referred to as Govardhan Palace:
Like the majority of devotees, we don't know the details of the circumstance and assume that those overseeing the case are wise, insightful, and competent. From an outsider's view, which is the view of most devotees and the rest of the world, this decision appears to communicate less than sincere understanding about the effects of abuse, especially child sexual abuse, and preference to support and protect those who have severely perpetrated others.
Practically, KB could be accommodated somewhere, anywhere in the world---a cottage in a village, in a kutir in the backyard of grhastas, etc.---with a little effort by devotees that care about him including the GBC, and yet the GBC has chosen to put their effort in accommodating him in a palace in the holiest place in the world.
This is how the situation appears from an outsider's view. If we are serious about obtaining the heights of Bhakti, why are we not also advocating the healing potency of a visibly humbler position in the society of devotees, a method utilized by Lord Chaitanya, the most compassionate and merciful.
Child sexual abuse will continue to happen if a person who has committed child sexual abuse is given sannyasa, given the authority to be a part of parampara taking disciples, and given accomodation in the holiest place on the earth in a palace. Meanwhile, the abused child, also a devotee of the Lord, is now an adult, without a supporting position and prestige in the society of devotees, left to work with the trauma from being violated during the most vulnerable, impressionable phase of life.
Child sexual abuse and combat / war are the two main causes of PTSD, a concretely debilitating resultant condition. Hopefully the victim has resources—family, friends, time, money, professionals — to deal with the trauma so they can function in life to work a job, pay their rent for their own residence and meals, etc.
Last year we received a message written by Keshava Bharati himself regarding a young devotee temple resident whom we had been looking after since the time he arrived at the Denver temple seven years ago:
“This letter is to inform you that I have released [das] from his vows. He is no longer an initiated devotee. I tried my best to help him, and it seemed as though he was doing much better. But when he proposed a sexual affair with a guest in broad daylight in front of the temple, it became clear that he cannot control himself and is a potential predator. There is a zero-tolerance policy for such behavior at the [x] temple, and so I acted immediately, and he was put on a plane to Denver. The temple leaders were in shock when they heard what happened. I don't know if he is planning to go to the Denver Temple, but it is my duty to you to let you know what happened.”
More could be added about the above-mentioned situation and the dynamic we observed, but the point of this letter is not about Keshava Bharati. It is about how the ultimate managing authority in ISKCON [the GBC] is speaking through their actions and what those actions are communicating to the rest of the society of devotees and the world. From an inside perspective the decision may seem logical, reasonable, compassionate. From an outside perspective it communicates an entirely different message.
Respectfully,
Vrinda-sundari devi dasi Tusta Krsna das”
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RE: WRITING PAPERS TO DEFEND THE GBC GURUS
PADA: Correct prabhu. People like Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur's "senior man" Prahlad wrote papers against PADA, which were immediately re-sent back to me by the GBC's goonda folks. "See? Prahlad is right, he agrees with us pedophile guru club lovers." Umm no, Prahlad is not correct. Sulochana says, they are just boot lickers for the butt buggers.
OK. The GBC molester messiah folks love Prahlad's writings, which many believe means -- they are on the same team. And Mathura Pati wrote papers against PADA, which were immediately re-sent back to me by various GBC goonda's defender folks as well. OK, we know whose side they are on.
So yeah -- more and more people are saying to us -- these guys are in love with the pedophile guru's process, and that is why they are writing position papers to defend the molester messiahs project, because they are in bed with them. And some of these guys even said they "defeated PADA."
Really? OK our view is that child starving, beating and rapes has to be checked forthwith. Or at least attempts must be made to fix this. They defeated that view? I sincerely doubt that -- since 999.999 percent of the world population agrees with PADA, child abuse needs to be checked forthwith. Full stop period. No questions asked, never mind writing papers that are approved and favored by the pedo guru regimes' folks.
Yep. It is only various pedophile messiah's club folks and their hand maidens who argue with us on this point, and think that our view has been defeated. Nope. No ordinary Joe six pack citizen believes the PADA view has ever been defeated either. Sorry, these folks have only defeated themselves and made themselves look compromised with evil agendas.
But yeah, you might be correct. Since Ravindra quit writing papers for them, now these Prabhupadanuga EU guys have stepped forward to defend the pedo-ship. And someone else wrote to tell me -- Prabhupadanugas EU needs to be renamed "Pedo-anugas EU." Hee hee, well yup.
Anyway you are right, if they were on our side, they would not be writing papers that are being approved, agreed with, and circulated by the pedo guru club. That means they are on the wrong side, and probably have been all along, agreed. And yes, Kamsa also had his "brahmana scholars" writing papers to defend his worship and position, these defenders of deviants guys have always been around.
But have they defeated the PADA idea that child abuse and rapes need to be halted forthwith, or at least attempted to be fixed forthwith? Nope, they have not. And they never will in the next four hundred trillion kalpas. They have just implicated themselves in support for the evil regime, because the evil regime is circulating their materials to defend the evil regime.
PADA: Ravindra Swarupa? Missing in action. Evidently, very sick. I dunno, what is the story? He has gone off radar for quite some time now. ys pd
KARUNA BHAVAN: THE REAL STORY
PADA: Lots of crazy things were going on there for years and years. And the GBC was not helping to fix it, or they even made things worse by making Ballabhadra a guru. By the way, the GBC page on his removal says "404 page missing." Hmmm.
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We have reported previously on how the numerous guru falldowns in ISKCON usually follow the same "cover-up" pattern: First, the fall-down is kept hidden and swept under the carpet for as long as possible; then, when this is no longer completely possible, the news is "managed"; finally, when their hand is forced, the GBC has no choice but to reveal all, before it comes out anyway.
A recent egregious and most shocking example of this dynamic in action was the recent fall from grace of yet another of the GBC's unauthorised gurus, as announced by the GBC in September 2007:
"The GBC Executive Committee, after much deliberation and consultation, has no alternative but to sadly report the deviations of and the abuses to devotees carried out by Balabhadra dasa (ACBSP), previously known as Bhakti Balabh Puri Goswami."
(GBC Statement, September 17th, 2007)
(All subsequent quotes will be excerpted from this announcement).
The falldown
"In the name of 'helping' two female disciples he performed many explicit sexual and voyeuristic acts by exploiting the obedience of his female disciples […] Balabhadra dasa has admitted that he thought of himself as a personal associate of Lord Caitanya and / or Krsna. In addition, his conception of guru was one in which he was the proprietor of his disciples, of ISKCON's assets and especially of ISKCON Scotland's monies."
So the absolute worship that ISKCON gurus demand on a daily basis went straight to Balabhadra's head. He indulged in an orgy of abuse as he lived off the hard labour of his disciples whilst lording it over everything and everyone around him.
Srila Prabhupada has this to say about such a mentality:
"Anyone who is in the material world is certainly possessed of the impure propensity for lording it over material nature, or, in other words, for sense gratification. Such polluted propensities have to be cleared. Without doing so, through prescribed duties, one should never attempt to become a so-called transcendentalist, renouncing work and living at the cost of others."
(Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 3.8 purport)
We knew he was off 25 years ago
So did all these "lording it over" traits suddenly manifest overnight, with the GBC immediately jumping in to rescue the hapless subordinates of this raving deviant?:
"Balabhadra dasa was always eccentric and even in the early 80's showed a penchant for cars, cameras and handling money."
So the GBC knew, for at least a quarter of a century, that this man was "eccentric" and highly materialistic, and yet still voted him in as a good-as-God guru for ISKCON.
It got worse, but we still kept quiet
"The death of his wife seemed to be a visible turning point in his life. His sadhana deteriorated, his bodily weight increased and he became increasingly involved in the lives of his female disciples, despite his having entered the renounced order. There was a "special" relationship with one female disciple, who was the person with whom he later, repeatedly fell down."
Balabhadra's wife died on December 28th, 1994. This means the GBC allowed a man they always knew was an eccentric materialist, and who was then observed deteriorating further for approximately thirteen years, to pose himself as a bona fide guru and personal associate of God Himself.
It got even worse
"Over three years ago Balabhadra dasa's sexual abuse of his female disciple came to light and in investigating that abuse, a Pandora's box of equally serious deviations gradually came to light, all of which were made known to the GBC Executive."
The obvious question here is whether, once Balabhadra's horrendous sexual abuse came fully to light, the GBC then finally woke up and did something to warn his disciples?
But luckily only one person knew:
"Until this year, the only devotee in Scotland aware of all the deviations and subsequent restrictions on Balabhadra dasa was the temple president, Prabhupada Vani dasa. Others thought he had semi-retired for health reasons. In the beginning of the year news gradually leaked to other senior devotees and since that time we have had many meetings to inform and then help those disciples."
So even after the GBC knew the full horror of what their voted in guru was doing, they were happy that only one disciple, Prabhupada Vani Das, knew the truth. All the other disciples and large congregation were kept completely in the dark. Why the reluctance to go public and bring Balabhadra to justice for his various illicit acts?
That the members of the committee who dealt with him and compiled the report, Sivarama Swami and B.B. Govinda Maharaja, reportedly received substantial donations from Balabhadra Das for their projects, is of course purely coincidental!
The thieves finally part company
But what was the final straw that led to the GBC making public Balabhadra's crimes?:
"… if he chose to do as he liked, his case would be made public in order to protect devotees of the Society from him. […] Since Balabhadra dasa is now his own man […] he will seek to raise funds from the international society of devotees who should be informed that supporting him is not supporting any ISKCON approved project or person."
It is perfectly clear that Balabhadra had been doing "as he liked" for decades, and yet the GBC had never tried to "protect the devotees". But the big difference was that now he would not be giving his GBC buddies a slice of whatever money he was able to sponge off the labour of others. Only once this became clear did the GBC decide to "protect the devotees" by throwing him out of ISKCON. In this way, they can simply install a new false Lord to carry on the money generating project that has helped sustain their bogus guru program.
PADA: Same thing as the Ballabhadra situation. Anyone who points out there is a problem -- gets smashed by GBC thug defenders, even when we are pointing out a problem of mass child molesting. What do a number of the GBC's bogus gurus, molesters, predators, pedophiles and thugs say -- when we point out there is a mass molesting issue?
The ISKCON GBC's thugs and goondas will often say -- PADA is a liar -- and PADA has been wrong to liberate hundreds of school children from GBC's schools after 1997, because our lawsuit alerted the parents that there is a big problem. And thus many parents took their kids out of these schools. Why does PADA want to liberate hundreds of children from being abused, that is an offense prabhu!
Did we forget to mention, the suicide epidemic of victims slowed substantially after the lawsuit was filed. Not a problem for the GBC's thugs either? Of course Sulochana said these people are tossing children into a wood chipper, that is his assessment of the situation the GBC thugs are defending.
Thus the big thug defenders of the GBC's enforcement department were not happy with these developments [saving children from abuse and reducing suicides] and neither is Mathura Pati -- self evidently. Thus these thugs enforcers wanted these children to remain in GBC custody, where a number of them reported being starved, beaten, molested, and -- raped. And that is why so many people NOW say they agree with PADA, the children needed to be liberated, it is an emergency situation when children are suffering. And these thugs were wrong to suppress PADA, because they defended child abuse thereby.
And now some of the people who still defend the homosexual and pedophile guru cult are sending me articles written by Mathura Pati. He has become the hero champion thug enforcer / writer of the homosexual and pedophile messiah's club! And some of his pedophile worshiping admirers are sending me his articles twice a day. Yep, the anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiahs club has found their new thug enforcer hero, Mathura Pati. That is why they send me his stuff over and over, they love their new pedo pooja thug enforcer and chief boot licker.
Is Mathura Pati simply another thug enforcer for that process, because he evidently agrees with the GBC's thugs, PADA should not have liberated these kids? And by now, the number of kids we would have liberated is in the thousands, because people quit sending their kids wholesale after 1997.
Why are people like Mathura Pati still holding a grudge that thousands of kids were liberated from abuse, and they are still trying to establish that PADA has been wrong to liberate numerous kids from that process? And why would anyone still be saying "it is all PADA lies" at this stage, when we all know by now there has been hundreds if not thousands of victims, and we have posted a number of their stories here on PADA since -- I dunno -- starting in the 1980s maybe. We have tons of confirmation testimony.
Of course as soon as we say, homosexual pedophiles are not Krishna's successors, then the GBC thugs will say -- PADA is a liar, mad man, offender etc. Yep, well that is why I have had to deal mainly with karmis for such a long time, when I tell them homosexual pedophiles are not messiahs, they always agree.
The good news is, many devotees, perhaps at this point most devotees, agree with PADA. Mass molesting has to be checked, plain and simple, and anyone who opposes is a thug enforcer for the bad guys. The other good news is, we are exposing these folks and their agenda in another media event. As we have said all along, since at least the 1990s, we are opposing "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexuals, pedophiles and deviants posing as messiahs." If anyone can prove we lied, well go ahead!
And we said that children were being abused. They were. We said the books are being changed. They are. We said Srila Prabhupada complained of poison. He does. If any of this can be proven as lies, lets see! Meanwhile, Sulochana said, the people who oppose and discredit us are "boot lickers for the butt busters."
And that my friends, cannot easily be proven as a lie, can it? I mean he was assassinated for saying these things. So go ahead and oppose me and Sulochana, and that will give Sulochana another chance to call our opponents "boot lickers for the butt busters" again, from his grave. And I am sure he will be happy to find us still citing him now, wherever he is.
So this has been the trouble the whole time. If we tell any average Joe six pack that we had to stop children from being mistreated, maybe starved, beaten and raped, they say -- of course that has to be addressed. And it would be highly sinful if you did not address it.
Whereas! If you ask the boot lickers for the butt busters regime, they will say no, it is wrong to save children, and that is how they caused thousands of children to suffer, they defended the regime. And that is why the defenders of the regime are citing Mathura Pati now, he is with them, and in fact he is emerging as their new thug hero. Yep, the anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiahs club has a new thug enforcer defender, and that is why they keep sending me his writings. They are a team.
How did you guess, Mathaura Pati says that my program of opposing homosexuals and pedophiles posing as messiahs means "you need mental health treatment." Wow, same thing Tamal was saying to me in 1985, cannot even think up new mantras! Why are they always citing Judas?
As for Purujit, he already burned a lot of his bridges with his "edited Gita," and some personal problems in Spain etc. I hope Purujit folks tell us they are not with the Mathura Pati thug enforcer process.
Of course, Mathura Pati and Purujit are also not clear on the original books issue either:
