Join this LIVE WISDOM talk by Michael Harrison (aka Kripamoya), who is a meditation teacher (almost 50 years of practice), mentor and spiritual guide for hundreds of people.
PADA: Someone asked me to comment on the real position of these folks, so -- here it is! Of course, they are always welcome to send me corrections and additions, go ahead!
For starters, Kripamoya says philosophical discussion is a good idea, except -- anyone who says illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara systems are bogus, is booted out of his ISKCON society. We "dissenters" can be: removed, chased with bats, banned, exiled, vilified, beaten, sued and sometimes -- killed. I am not sure how any of that constitutes a discussion of philosophy. OK this is called goonda style debate, we are right -- by force.
As soon as I said worshiping Jayatirtha is worshiping a de facto pedophile -- since he is having sex with a follower, I got booted out of Kripamoya's ISKCON. Pedophile worship wins, Prabhupada's worship loses.
Kripamoya says that people like Tribhuvanath and Kulashekhar types of friends helped save his life by helping him become a devotee. And then the violent followers of Kripamoya program's "guru" i.e. Bhakti Tirtha Krisnnapada [I am Krishna's padas no less], beat the stuffing out of the earliest devotee in UK, Kulashekhar das (Colin Jury) -- beating him almost to death. He had to be hospitalized with broken bones and lived a life in pain and a lot of medications -- for the rest of his life.
And Kulashekhar was later on dying, evidently now homeless and sleeping under a tree near Alachua, when some kind devotees took him in for his last few days here. In other words, the Kripamoya program wants to punish the people whom he says -- saved his life -- by his program's destroying their lives. "I was saved by these people, so now let our program beat them to death, and have them die homeless." There is some real gratitude here friends!
IRM: If such discussion is to be encouraged, why then are IRM devotees BANNED from some ISKCON temples, most notably Bhaktivedanta Manor, of which HG Kripamoya prabhu is a temple council member, simply for engaging in this discussion? This can only mean that the temple authorities are afraid of “intellectual vitality” which, of course, is completely antithetical to Srila Prabhupada’s teachings:
“A sincere student should not neglect the discussion of such conclusions, considering them controversial, for such discussions strengthen the mind.”
(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila, 2:117)
Delivering Little Souls
PADA: Oh oh, the Kripamoya program is saving little souls pilgrims! And what happens to the "little souls" in Kripamoya's ISKCON gurukula schools? Well sorry, we heard all sorts of reports of starving, beating, molesting, rapes, anal reconstructive surgery epidemics, broken bones, knocked out teeth, black and blue bruises, beating with bamboo rods breaking the skin, and then traumatized victims taking their lives by suicide. Where is the delivering of little souls here?
Good question, what happens to these "little souls" in Kripamoya's society? And why are a number of those ex-little souls -- who are now grown ups -- living around the San Francisco area here -- boycotting ISKCON? OK some of them are not here anymore because they left their bodies early from taking their lives. We would say, Kripamoya's program ruined -- if not killed them direct or indirect.
And a number of the victims are now cursing at the Krishna society as a peril to children. So now Kripamoya's daughter is a nurse delivering karmi babies, which is all well and good. Yet it looks like the Krishna babies his program was supposed to help save and deliver from Maya, were not delivered at all. And a number of these victims tell PADA -- they would have been much better off in the hands of the karmis than the Kripamoya process.
Yep, many children victims told me they have been FORCED to worship deviants, predators, perverts, pedophiles, drunks etc. in the Kripamoya process. Then the Jayadvaita ilk says, these five years old children "made the wrong choice of guru because they did not study the shastra properly"? Ummm, what? The choice of guru was made for these children by the adults and leaders, they have no ability to make the choice of guru at five. OK they are blaming their child victims.
By Madhava Smullen
A young devotee finds joy and spiritual realization as she pursues a career as a midwife. Tulasi Harrison was only seven years old-still practically a baby herself-when she decided she wanted to become a midwife and help bring new life into the world. Tulasi grew up in the ISKCON community at Bhaktivedanta Manor in England, daughter of priest and congregational preacher Kripamoya Dasa and gurukula teacher Guru Carana Padma Dasi. Her little brother Mali was fortunate enough to be delivered by a devotee midwife, her mother’s friend Ramadevi.
With her chosen goal - a Bachelor of Science degree at London’s City University-Tulasi was in for a busy, challenging, and rewarding three years. To learn such a specialized skill, Tulasi spent forty percent of her time at her university learning theory and academic knowledge, and sixty per cent at the University College Hospital in the heart of London, getting practical training and experience.
Her hectic schedule, whizzing back and forth between both locations every few weeks, was a challenge to her still developing commitment to Krishna consciousness-but Tulasi was determined to do her best at balancing the two.
Balancing Work and Krishna Consciousness
Tulasi is honest about what a struggle it was for her to fit sadhana, regulated spiritual practices, into her day. Meanwhile, Tulasi protected herself from the student lifestyle of drinking and clubbing by living at home with her family rather than on campus, by choosing the right association, and by keeping herself busy with Krishna conscious activities in the little spare time she had.
“Support systems are very important,” she says. “For me, my sister, Jahnavi, is one of my biggest inspirations, and when she was there I felt safe. Having a lot of devotee friends, especially ones who had similar challenges to mine, was also very helpful. I got on well with the people in my course, but the bond I have with devotee friends is so much deeper, because they understand so much more about my life and faith.”
On the weekends, Tulasi would do service at the temple, have bhajanas with other gurukulis, perform dramas at temple festivals, volunteer with the Pandava Sena youth group, and take classes in Bharat-Natyam dance. Then she would dive right back into her course during the week.
Understanding that Krishna Is in Control
One of the greatest realizations for Tulasi in her training was that while she could do her best and put all her medical skills to use, at the end of the day everything was under Krishna’s control, not hers. So when something wasn’t going right, she simply surrendered and prayed to Him to help the mother and child, which often yielded amazing results.
Her hectic schedule, whizzing back and forth between both locations every few weeks, was a challenge to her still developing commitment to Krishna consciousness-but Tulasi was determined to do her best at balancing the two.
Balancing Work and Krishna Consciousness
Tulasi is honest about what a struggle it was for her to fit sadhana, regulated spiritual practices, into her day. Meanwhile, Tulasi protected herself from the student lifestyle of drinking and clubbing by living at home with her family rather than on campus, by choosing the right association, and by keeping herself busy with Krishna conscious activities in the little spare time she had.
“Support systems are very important,” she says. “For me, my sister, Jahnavi, is one of my biggest inspirations, and when she was there I felt safe. Having a lot of devotee friends, especially ones who had similar challenges to mine, was also very helpful. I got on well with the people in my course, but the bond I have with devotee friends is so much deeper, because they understand so much more about my life and faith.”
On the weekends, Tulasi would do service at the temple, have bhajanas with other gurukulis, perform dramas at temple festivals, volunteer with the Pandava Sena youth group, and take classes in Bharat-Natyam dance. Then she would dive right back into her course during the week.
Understanding that Krishna Is in Control
One of the greatest realizations for Tulasi in her training was that while she could do her best and put all her medical skills to use, at the end of the day everything was under Krishna’s control, not hers. So when something wasn’t going right, she simply surrendered and prayed to Him to help the mother and child, which often yielded amazing results.
PADA: Krishna is in control? So He wanted the ISKCON children to worship Kripamoya's program of homosexuals, pedophiles and assorted deviants as His successors? Sorry, Kripamoya's program is malefic in control this situation, not Krishna. And they are controlling it in such a deviant way -- children's spiritual and material lives are being destroyed. Wholesale!
Sorry, worshiping pedophiles as God's acharyas is Kali Yuga and / or Satan in charge, not Krishna. Why do these people always blame Krishna for their forcing children to worship their homosexual and pedophile acharyas process as the ISKCON kid's messiahs?
Krishna is not in control of the desires of asuras, the asuras are independently operating outside the authority and desires of Krishna. Why do they always bring up "Krishna is in control" when their program is forcing little children to worship deviants. That means they are blaming Krishna for their deviations.
Tulasi felt a deep connection with patients who were also God conscious and had the same understanding, while other mothers would notice that she had a special quality about her. “Wow, you’re so calm,” they would say. “Whenever you come into the room, I just feel peaceful.” Some requested her specifically, saying, “We like the way she is.”
PADA: This is another thing abuse victims tell PADA is infuriating for them. When they are suffering, everyone else is calmly sitting around eating samosas, glorifying the people in charge of the gurukula's Auschwitz for kids crisis, without any evident concern for the victims.
When children are suffering, that should be an emergency crisis, not a time to sit and calmly do nothing. Or worse, even promote worshiping the people orchestrating the abuse process. Also noticed by some victims, some of these people have a lot of concern for Hindu kids or karmis kids, but not so much for ISKCON's children, like these victims. First of all, take care of ISKCON's children, then worry about others.
The Gift of a Lifetime
Before a new family went home, however, Tulasi would make sure she always chanted the Hare Krishna mantra in the newborn baby’s ear while weighing it or doing some other task. “I didn’t know what kind of life they were going to have, but I just wanted them to have heard Krishna’s name, and hopefully to remember it at some point in the future,” she says. “It’s just a gift I wanted to pass on to every baby before they embarked on the journey of life.”
PADA: They are taking care of the karmi children, while not taking care of the Krishna children? What kind of society takes care of everyone else's kids, and not their own kids? Charity starts at home.
Tulasi also gave the gift of Krishna consciousness to the adult patients and hospital staff. Since she was very popular at the hospital because of her caring, bright, and happy nature, which she attributes to her Krishna conscious upbringing, people would ask her why she was always so happy, or where she got her unusual name. When she told them she was a Hare Krishna, their reaction would often be surprise.
The Gift of a Lifetime
Before a new family went home, however, Tulasi would make sure she always chanted the Hare Krishna mantra in the newborn baby’s ear while weighing it or doing some other task. “I didn’t know what kind of life they were going to have, but I just wanted them to have heard Krishna’s name, and hopefully to remember it at some point in the future,” she says. “It’s just a gift I wanted to pass on to every baby before they embarked on the journey of life.”
PADA: They are taking care of the karmi children, while not taking care of the Krishna children? What kind of society takes care of everyone else's kids, and not their own kids? Charity starts at home.
Tulasi also gave the gift of Krishna consciousness to the adult patients and hospital staff. Since she was very popular at the hospital because of her caring, bright, and happy nature, which she attributes to her Krishna conscious upbringing, people would ask her why she was always so happy, or where she got her unusual name. When she told them she was a Hare Krishna, their reaction would often be surprise.
PADA: You mean, she is giving these poor unfortunate people the gift of worshiping the Mayapur Auschwitz for kids pedophile guru program, that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas? Sorry. They are much better off worshiping Jesus than pedophiles as their gurus.
Why would we tell people to stop worship of Jesus, to worship their illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's program? We might go up to a higher birth by worshiping Jesus, it is possible, but we will definitely go down worshiping their pedophile messiah's program.
“You Have the Highest Service”
In December 2010, after completing her midwifery course, Tulasi opted to take some time out before getting a job in her chosen career. She decided to spend it taking a three-month course for a Bhakti-Sastri degree in Srila Prabhupada’s books in the holy dhama of Mayapur, India.
PADA: OK Mayapur is the headquarters of the pedophile messiah's program, and it has been called "Auschwitz for Kids" by some of the victims. Why would anyone send their kids, or any other's kids, to a place where they have been worshiping things like "oral sex with boys and taxi drivers" as God's messiahs? And killing people who object to their worshiping oral sex with boys and taxi drivers messiah's club?
“You Have the Highest Service”
In December 2010, after completing her midwifery course, Tulasi opted to take some time out before getting a job in her chosen career. She decided to spend it taking a three-month course for a Bhakti-Sastri degree in Srila Prabhupada’s books in the holy dhama of Mayapur, India.
PADA: OK Mayapur is the headquarters of the pedophile messiah's program, and it has been called "Auschwitz for Kids" by some of the victims. Why would anyone send their kids, or any other's kids, to a place where they have been worshiping things like "oral sex with boys and taxi drivers" as God's messiahs? And killing people who object to their worshiping oral sex with boys and taxi drivers messiah's club?
“For those of us who grew up in a devotee family, the philosophy is ingrained in us, but often it’s at the level we learned as kids in gurukula, and we don’t study more as adults,” she says. “At least I didn’t,” she adds with her trademark honesty. “So I wanted to balance my education as a midwife with a stronger knowledge of Krishna consciousness.”
Krishna seemed to reciprocate by giving Tulasi a chance to directly connect her career to Him. For it was while in the holy dhama that she assisted in her first ever devotee birth.
PADA: A devotee baby is born in Mayapur, to grow up to worship the leaders of the Auschwitz for kids program, which has homosexuals and pedophiles in their guru parampara? How is that helping that child? That is corrupting the morals of minors, forcing them to worship a debauchee guru lineage.
Krishna seemed to reciprocate by giving Tulasi a chance to directly connect her career to Him. For it was while in the holy dhama that she assisted in her first ever devotee birth.
PADA: A devotee baby is born in Mayapur, to grow up to worship the leaders of the Auschwitz for kids program, which has homosexuals and pedophiles in their guru parampara? How is that helping that child? That is corrupting the morals of minors, forcing them to worship a debauchee guru lineage.
This faith in the Lord was the one thing everyone had plenty more of in Mayapur than back in England, and it guided them through the task.
PADA: Mayapur has faith in worshiping their illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs project, which makes it better than England? How many people in England want to worship debauchees and oral sex with boys and taxi drivers messiah's programs -- as God's successors?
“At one point, as we were really struggling, Ramadevi looked up at the couple’s Jagannatha deities,” says Tulasi. “She said, ‘We all have to pray to Lord Baladeva, who is the force of gravity, to help us pull this baby out, just as he once pulled the Yamuna River to Him.’ We all prayed, and immediately the contractions became stronger, and the baby started coming out. It was amazing.”
PADA: Ramadevi told me she was upset with "all the politics" of promoting Jayatirtha as the acharya, and she said it is making her have an eating disorder. And she was very sickly as a result. She is right, making a falling down lusty dope head like Jayatirtha into the acharya is pure politics and nothing spiritual. I think Ramadevi eventually got very sick and died as a result. But people who eat food offered to a homosexual and pedophile guru process would be expected to get sick.
At that moment, Tulasi remembered what ISKCON Mayapur’s head priest Jananivasa Dasa had once told Ramadevi: “You have the highest service, because you get to touch the feet of the dhama-vasis [residents of a holy place] before they even touch the ground.”
PADA: Oh swell, Jananivasa, one of the high priest deity puja orchestrators of placing photos of deviants and his homosexual and pedophile pals on the altars. Where does Krishna say He wants the photos of deviants placed on His altars? And what happens when people eat food offered to deviants, it is contaminated and makes them get SICK, or even DIE.
All the while, a recording of Srila Prabhupada singing kirtana played in the background, and everyone present chanted the holy names of Krishna. Ramadevi told everyone, “There’s nothing more special than delivering a devotee into this world to the sound of kirtana, with Prabhupada singing and devotees surrounding the child.”
“We all got quite choked up at that,” Tulasi recalls. “It was such a wonderful thought. The birth of a devotee is an addition to our big, worldwide family, and is always such a special, heartfelt moment. And this one certainly was. It was such a celebration! Throughout the labor, the father had been cooking a huge prasadam feast, and many devotees gathered to honor it and to give the new baby their blessings.”
All the while, a recording of Srila Prabhupada singing kirtana played in the background, and everyone present chanted the holy names of Krishna. Ramadevi told everyone, “There’s nothing more special than delivering a devotee into this world to the sound of kirtana, with Prabhupada singing and devotees surrounding the child.”
“We all got quite choked up at that,” Tulasi recalls. “It was such a wonderful thought. The birth of a devotee is an addition to our big, worldwide family, and is always such a special, heartfelt moment. And this one certainly was. It was such a celebration! Throughout the labor, the father had been cooking a huge prasadam feast, and many devotees gathered to honor it and to give the new baby their blessings.”
PADA: The world wide family of worshiping illicit sex with men, women and children deviants as God's successors? Why would we welcome anyone into such a program?
The Future
After spending six months in Mayapur, Tulasi returned to England, where she is now applying for a job. Her stay in Mayapur has renewed her determination to make Krishna the center of her life.
Finally, setting up her own clinic is a long-term future goal for Tulasi.
“I’d like it to be a place where devotees can come and have a more Krishna conscious experience, and feel completely comfortable,” she says. “I’m looking forward to it. This is such a sweet, rewarding service to have.
PADA: OK some of these ISKCON kids had "regime leader parents" who helped them get cars, housing, and college degrees. Whereas most of the rest of the kids did not even get a proper High School education. Giving the children of the leaders special perks and benefits is called nepotism. OK another thing that infuriates the victims who were not in the nepo-club.
Of course we are glad some of them got some college degrees and were able to have some career, but this was not the general case. Many of these ex-kids live around here and some of them told me -- no one knows who we are, where we are, what happened to us, or even -- if we are alive or dead. They did not care then and they still do not.
Then again after I was booted out, there was the Croome Court Chloroform on children molester gang. Exactly as we said -- worshiping a pedophile will generate more pedophiles, and it has.
Then again the chief UK messiah Jayatirtha's head was hacked off because he just could not stop chasing the skirts of married women. When the newspapers said "Guru's Head Hacked Off," no one from ISKCON bothers to make a public disclaimer that this guy is NOT and was NOT ever Krishna's successor. Yeah the guy was a lusty dope dealer, chasing married women, and that is why he is Krishna's guru successor. WTF!
Then again some say the Jayatirtha Peace Krishna's drowned a dissenter in a lake in Nepal. And the Peace Krishnas may have murdered someone in Nepal. And they said they wanted to "tear me up" outside the Berkeley temple. And they would have, except some people came to defend me, and those people had the guns.
Kripamoya also says, no one thinks these gurus are pure devotees. OK so all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders is happening because these guys are just regular Joe conditioned souls like the rest of us? Sorry, nope.
I have had tons of death threats, my friends were beaten and killed, all because we said these people are NOT pure devotees. Anyway we could go on here, but the point is, these people are the real reason the molester messiah's project has continued on. They advocated for it, defended it, and kept the molester messiah's project's wheels from totally falling off. And that put the lives of thousands of children, and our lives, in peril.
Now someone said I should be happy for being right all along. Nope, being right about Krishna's devotees being banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed is not a cause for celebration. Nor would I celebrate that I was right to say Srila Prabhupada complains of poison.
Nothing to celebrate here, except maybe -- I am happy for one thing, the karma of all this is on the shoulders of these people and not myself. At least I will not go to Yamaraja with a four hundred ton stone weight of karma tied around my neck, as these people will.
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