KING OF THE HILL
PADA: The GBC gurus have worked very hard since 1978 to make themselves kings of the hill. And it has worked great for them. The temples are largely empty. And now they are making compromised and sometimes meat eating -- and / or -- mayavada Hindus into temple board leaders. The Hindu managers will send them a percentage of the cash that is being siphoned off the ISKCON donations.
Now they can live a life of luxury with servants, feasts, feet washing ceremonies, nice dwellings, nice cars, nice computers -- and nice permanent health care expenses paid for life. And on top of all that, they have a nice $100,000,000 legal fees bonus of slush funds. They are now using those funds to hire their $20,000,000 an hour legal team in Delhi to once again sue Bangalore -- after losing $20,00,000 already.
In order to do all that they had to push all the rest of us off the hill. Those pushed off the hill were women, children, brahmanas, even many cows suffered. And if they now have to defend any of those victims, and have to be accountable to any or all these victims, they would not able to continue to hold the post of king of the hill. They would have to resign in shame.
But then they would not be kings of the hill? So they have done a lot of hard work getting everyone else off the hill, children were simply part of those chased off. And they told Mahasringha they are not going to surrender their king post ever, they will only leave that post when they leave their bodies.
But yeah, the person who pushes everyone else off the hill to become king, cannot then pretend he cares for all those he pushed off. That will destroy his image as ruler of the hill, and will put his post as ruler in peril and accountability. Perhaps legal accountability.
That is not what they wanted to do, since 1978. They have never listened to us, and when we were squeaking wheels making too much noise, they tried to have us physically removed from the planet with their enforcers. In short, they have victimized tens of thousands of others -- to push them off the hill -- they thus have no current incentive to get off the top of the hill now. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
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AM I THE ONLY ONE?
V Dasi: Am I the only who finds themselves just sitting and thinking what the actual heck is going with ISKCON?? It can't be this difficult to understand the most basic human rights issue.
We want to talk about complex subjects but can't understand the importance to protect children from abuse?? Why would there be pushback even?? HOW DO PEOPLE FIGHT TO WORSHIP PEDOPHILES??? Even my tired is tired! So embarrassing to call yourself a member at this point
MJ: Prabhupada said movement was infiltrated. This is being done professionally, not by some fallen devotees. Secret society level professionals.
AP: This is bogus. The movement was not infiltrated. When materialistic and narcissistic people are recruited by a leader and elevated to the status of "second intiated brahmanas" and gurus then of course there will be disaster. You cannot then blame other people.
PD: Except no one was ever elevated to guru, they elevated themselves.
SP: That famous "Prabhupada said", which is the reference from 1972 in a letter usually labeled by devotees as "Sinister movement within our society" to anything and everything they wish to tag as movement's infiltration or infestation of some kind. Which is disingenuous.
No one dares call it, as Prabhupada himself stated in further letters, that its actually a conspiracy of Gaudiya Math, the godbrothers of Prabhupada who were manipulating his disciples since back in 1969. And Prabhupada called that conspiracy "the poisonous tree" done by Gaudiya math. It's not the jews, it's not the UFO, it's not the illuminati, etc.
MJ: There’s plenty of evidence that great social movements in the 70s were infiltrated, you are naive.
SP: Again, disingenuous at best. Putting Prabhupada's statement "Great sinister movement" into a box of "the infiltration" of jews, UFO's and illuminati is not gonna give you a free pass by overlooking the fact that Prabhupada was ACTUALLY reffering to the Gaudiya math in his original statement.
Intelligent people who know how to analyze and read Prabhupada's letters in proper chronological order will reach a 180* degrees opposite conclusion than your made-up warped Prabhupada. If Prabhupada ever talked about the misleaders of the world; he called them exclusively demons (in their own right). But for you to stretch the rubber-band by bringing the specific case of "Great sinister movement" being reffered to vikarmi inflitrators is false and fraudalent.
SP: I’m arguing that your assumption that these theories are crazy is flawed because it’s not crazy at all and substantiated that intelligence agencies infiltrate ALL religion and social movements. You are subtly gas lighting using conspiracy theory as a term to discredit. You are an establishment supporter.
AP: This is what happens when a spiritual institution prioritises growth through preaching and book sales over self-transformation first. When ineligible people are recruited in the name of so-called mercy then such people end up taking up leadership positions and ruining an entire spiritual movement. If preaching or proselytising to others is a cause of bhakti then one must question why despite so much preaching and building temples
ISKCON is not able to give Vaikuntha experience to anyone at the local temple level and instead has been plagued with controversy and inner turmoil. Real bhakti means to work on yourself first which itself requires a monumental effort. This is what the traditional Gaudiya Vaisnava parivaras do. I have learnt more from them than I have in the 40 years of reading Prabhupada's books and associating with ISKCON. The institution needs to focus on itself first instead of preaching to others. Indiscriminate mass preaching can corrupt an entire spiritual movement.
MJ: I’m a fallen devotee and I have no criminal tendencies. You are not aware of the Epstein class that specializes in destroying social movements.
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WHAT HAPPENED TO TULSI GABBARD?
https://www.ms.now/news/tulsi-gabbard-iran-war-silence-trump?
SD Dasi: Please please please! Just call her Ms. Gabbard. She has dragged her sacred name through the mud.
GD: I like to call her “Tulski Grabba-dollar” - it’s a crude nickname but her master loves to give people crude nicknames and it nicely encapsulates both her pro-Kremlin stance and her greed.
RND: She says there are dangerous bio and chemical labs all over Ukraine. This is why ??? she wants all these labs blown up every day. Then all the dangerous bio chemicals are spread into the air for all the people to inhale, even babies.
Which is going on there every day.
She seems to want all those hapless people exposed to dangerous bio lab materials. Which means, she has no concern for others. She says there are dangerous materials all over the place. Everywhere! Then sits back and lets the bio labs all get blown up ... all over the atmosphere ... every day!
No effort to contain these dangers. She is also thinking blowing up power and water system for them is a good idea, after she claimed she is against ALL war. NO MORE WARS. Horse whacky.
She is in favor of wars that help evil dictators like Putin. Little babies are freezing and she is in favor of that war ... she simply follows the dictation of dictators and not Krishna. We have to bomb the bio labs, and spread bio materials all over the land, and turn off the power to freeze little babies, who even thinks that is a good idea? No wonder she shut her mouth, she would have to admit she is a fraud.
SD Dasi: You mean Trump not her guru now right??
GD: Of course - her master is Trump now …. and she has to stay in line.
LK: She would object if she was a real devotee.
GDA: Like so many in Trump’s entourage of craven sycophants - she is devoid of any principles above self interest, self promotion and personal ambition. No public cost is too great for their personal gain. They all take after their master and political guru - Trump - who has with their help taken American politics to new depths of corruption and self dealing that make even the most corrupt politicians and lobbyists of yesteryear look like honest statesmen.
BB: Wait what? She was all gung ho 100% commando on "No War With Iran" or any other wars. All until there was a war with Iran. She is a shape shifter. Has no integrity compass. She has to follow her leaders off the cliff and not her conscience ... to save her paycheck. So sad, same as the ISKCON people who surrender to bad people ... to get a job.
RE: She has proven to be a chameleon opportunist, which is characteristic of many right-wing politicians, thus exposing her former alignment with the democrats as more expedience than principle. For all the faults of the democratic party, the "warmongering" she claims drove her away from them ... always pales in comparison to that of her adopted party.
N Devi Dasi: She’s too busy setting up voter suppression and fraud to think about her role in agreeing and expediting this war. Silence is acceptance.
KS Dasi: I once supported Trump solely because I believed in her support for him, proving once again there are no honest devotional political leaders. He lies, she lies for him. She lied all for her own name, fame, adoration and distinction and of course $$$$$$$$
SP Dasi: She has taken bad association and has become like them. She doesn't push back on them because she is blinded by personal ambition. Maybe she thought it was a means to an end, but she has become a lost soul along the way. She should not be seen as a reprsentative of Krishna.
BB: She hangs out with Radhanath. Nuff said!
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