Vicitravirya / Jaya Laksman? / Jayatirtha / Bhaja Hari
"His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja"
PADA: One of the major questions I get all the time from devotees, media, police, FEDS etc. is -- how did all of this damage and destruction happen to ISKCON and so many of its citizens, especially its children? Why were so many devotees adding fuel to the fire by supporting these false gurus (like Jayatirtha) and why weren't these devotees instead helping PADA -- put out the fires? And that means having these false gurus removed from office.
In 1979 we were opposing His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja, saying that an intoxicated and lusty person -- who is having affairs with female disciples, and who is offering LSD to the shalagram deity, should NOT EVER be worshiped as God's messiah successor.
Worse, I said Srila Prabhupada has said -- a guru who has sex with a follower -- is just like a father having sex with his own daughter. And that would mean -- Jayatirtha is a pedophile, at least de facto, or direct or indirect. And by worshiping pedophiles or de facto ones, the society would attract pedophiles, give shelter and sympathy to them, and thus apologize for them and defend them because -- we become what we worship. In other words ISKCON would become a sort of pedophile magnet, which is what happened.
Unfortunately, most devotees -- and many / most / maybe all the leaders thought my complaints were unfounded, "against the scriprutes," offensive, and I was "not accepting Srila Prabhupada's appointed guru successors." Even more unfortunately, people like the GBC's "seniormost advisor" BR Sridhara Maharaja became the darling of the GBC and Jayatirtha's personal confidential guide and mentor. And he said none of us should protest (the false gurus), and he defended keeping them in the guru post.
OK so gradually the child molesting issue just got worse and worse, and the pedophiles started to gradually invade and infest the ISKCON society more and more, and especially the schools. Same thing, when we said the situation for the children is getting worse -- and not only that -- just having children worship conditioned souls as guru is going to break their faith in the religion, I was ignored if not suppressed.
And it did break their faith, the child victims felt -- lied to, used and abused, victimized and cheated. And they were lied to and cheated. I heard so many negative comments from these ex-children, for example, the only time we got soap and clean clothes is -- when they wanted to show us off in a photo op.
As we know, children -- and especially teen agers -- have little tolerance for hypocrisy. Telling them impure people are pure is the height of hypocrisy. In fact it is the worst possible hypocrisy, add to that -- many of the children were systematically -- if not industrially -- abused in the care of these "pure devotees."
Then what? That doubled down the youth's rejection of these leaders and the religion. And yet we "dissenters" were always the bad guys -- if not blasphemers and offenders -- for criticizing the situation going on with these children. People were calling me "chicken little -- always complaining about nothing" etc.
Anyway, the upshot is -- probably 99% of the ex-children have now left the religion. And it should not surprise anyone. Children cannot tolerate being cheated into worshiping -- deviants; clowns; illicit sex with men, women and children lusty dogs; homosexuals; pedophiles; drunks; fools; offenders; porno swamis; and not only worshiping homosexuals and pedophiles -- but their cheer leaders and enablers. They are done with all that and for good reason.
Srila Prabhupada said -- hundreds if not thousands of times -- worshiping lusty and intoxicated conditioned souls as gurus will cause ruination for all concerned. Almost no one seems to have taken the gravity of that seriously. Worse, the GBC guru empire -- built on the principle of worshiping lusty dogs if not pedophiles as gurus -- is still operating along as if nothing wrong has happened.
But the main issue for whistle blower people like me is -- when me and Sulochana said there is a child molesting program going on -- we got TREMENDOUS PUSH BACK from the "devotee community." We were called every name in the book, demonized, I was chased with bats etc. and in sum we were made TARGETS for violence if not ASSASSINATION.
Then! One of us was assassinated and I only survived with help from the FEDS. And then we had to help victims sue the GBC because victims were COMMITTING SUICIDE, among a host of other problems victims were having. Same thing, all sorts of push back for "destroying the Golden body of ISKCON." Really!
Later on we had the Krishna Kanta IRM folks, HKC Jaipur folks, Sanat, Mukunda, Prahlad (Paul Coats), Prabhupadanugas EU manager Mathura Pati etc. also chiming in with the homosexual and pedophile messiahs program -- PADA is saving children from being beaten and raped -- which is evil -- and saving children is going to destroy the Golden Body of ISKCON. Boo hoo! Yep, saving children from evil has become the new evil. But only thanks to Kali Yuga.
Wowsers, all these people seem to think their mass industrial child abuse program is some sort of Golden Body of ISKCON or God etc. It isn't. It might be -- at best, the Golden body of Beelzebub. Mass child abuse is not the Golden Body of God, and these folks don't even know that, which is why we had to take shelter of the Joe six pack hamburger society, they at least know the process of ritualistic mass child abuse is sinful, evil, Satanic and has no connection to God or Godly anything, much less it is the Golden Body of God and Guru.
But hey, the Berkeley police told me in 1986, all the people who are opposing you are ENABLING all these crimes. Yep. So that means the karma for all this rests on the shoulders of the perps, the leaders, the acquiescing, the enablers, and the defenders. As some victims told me, at least you (PADA) did something to try to help us, no one else did. So the whole thing can be chalked up to a shroud of denial and illusion swept over the devotee community.
But illusion means ignorance, and ignorance means -- a person has to be held accountable eventually. And they will have to suffer for making others suffer from their denial and ignorance. ys pd
Hari-śauri: The one thing that shocks the Indians the most is Vivekananda.
Prabhupāda: Because they're rascals. Modern people in India, they are all rascals. Whole population is bokā.
Gargamuni: No. The Marwaris don't like him because he was a chicken-eater.
Prabhupāda: Marwaris are little religious. They...
Gargamuni: They never talk about Vivekananda. They don't like him.
Prabhupāda: He was rascal number one. He brought three women with whom he had intimate connection. That is very easy to make intimate connection with woman in America. With money also. He brought. And with their money. Aurobindo also, the same thing. With woman's money they became rich, not like me, with hard labor of writing books and selling. I could also do. There was chance. But this is not my business to make intimate relation with woman and get money. I could do. There was chance. When attempt was failed, the man who introduced that woman to me, he one day said, "I have seen many swamis, but none like you." (laughter)
Gargamuni: They advise you to grow a beard and to wear Western suit, the other swamis. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...in a different style. (break) ...money. These rascals are also after woman and money, in a different style. Asat eka strī-saṅgī. Caitanya Mahāprabhu immediately rejects him, that "He's a rascal. He's after women." Immediately. Asat strī-saṅgī. Two kinds of rascals—nondevotee of Kṛṣṇa and woman-hunter—reject immediately. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's... The sannyāsa life is... What is that? Cent percent, no connection with woman. That is sannyāsa. What we have renounced? We have renounced... We are using the motorcar, we are using this machine, we are eating, we are sleeping in nice room—what is the renouncement? Only renouncement is no connection with woman. That is the real platform of renouncement. If one can renounce woman's connection, then he's liberated man. That is very, very difficult. (break) Except myself, they go for woman and money, that's all, in foreign countries. This is the position. This Vishnu, Vishnu... Vishnananda, Vishnu-ananda? Now what is that? One yogi is in Montreal?
Satsvarūpa: Vishnu-something-ananda.
Prabhupāda: He also is after women. That's all.
Satsvarūpa: Swami Sac-cid-ananda.
A GURUKULI VICTIM IS STILL SUFFERING NOW
I am 54 years old. Yesterday i cleaned out a nest of roaches. I lost my shit.
I am 54 years old. Yesterday i cleaned out a nest of roaches. I lost my shit.
Memories of when Mother Dharini would pull my sleeping bag in the dirty kitchen they used as a garbage room. It started when i was 7 years old. For 3 years till we moved with the school to be tortured some more at the new gurukula in montocello, ny.
My freak out...It was not as visual. Just raw emotions ..fear ...disgust ...dred ...terror. I had to breathe to not throw up, I was so upset. Flashes of feeling them crawling all over me all over my sleeping bag. Even mice ran over me. One got inside. I had no idea till i woke up and found baby mice by my feet.
I would zip it all up with me in it.
I'd sufficate myself all the while feeling them on the sleeping bag. It was a regular punishment aside from the demerits system they had. She said i was a talker. Prajalpa prajalpa. 6pm was bed time. No talking. She would put me in there just in case i talked.
Now im 54.
Years of therapy.
But i lose my shit when I see roaches. This was a big nest i found. Winning the law suit didnt do shit for my ptsd. 54 and Im over here still working on my ptsd. My biggest thing till this day is me working on not collecting difficult people in my life. They love me.
Till I Ive had enough of walking on egg shells and over standing them and i finally tell them what I really think and feel. I battle survival modes. Getting along with difficult people to survive is one of them. People ask me and have even had the audacity to come at me publicly as to why I had to stop all of my gurukuli advocacy.
Its cause im still a hot fucking mess. I just have a great smile.
PADA: All the people who keep telling me this is all in the past, are still in denial and illusion now. None of this is "in the past" for these victims and /or their families.
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RE: KAILASA CHANDRA
But we are making progress.
1) Srila Prabhupada enjoys the devotees chanting "Jaya Prabhupada," while Kailasa says those devotees are living in a fools paradise because the name of the guru should not be advertised, and kept secret. Secret guru and / or secret mantras are the trademarks of the mayavadas like Kailasa.
We cannot even give out Prabhupada's books to people because the books advertise "the name of the guru" right on the cover. We should not help others get to Krishna by naming our guru, we should keep all this secret like the mayavadas. This is mayavada on steroids. Srila Prabhupada never said we should keep the name of our guru -- or the books of our guru -- which has his name on the cover -- a secret. This was never stated by the acharya.
2) Kailasa is the topmost critic of Sulochana and parrot of the Bhakti pedos -- saying Sulochana is a fallen sahajiya, which Sulochan says -- makes him a target. And which his mom says is meant to discredit him and give him a bad name. Why has Kailasa dedicated his entire life to smearing the name of a great Vaishnava?
Now Kailasa is saying that when Sulochana complains they are calling him a sahajiya to discredit him, Sulochana is making "straw man arguments." Umm, he is not here! His complaint was and is valid, you Kailasa guys joined the Bhakti pedos to "give a dog a bad name and get rid of is" as Sulochana said all the time.
3) Kailasa promotes the worship of the non-existing, non-entity, no-named, phantom, nobody, zero -- proof of existing -- Madhyam guru, because he wants people to worship no one at all. Worship of nothingness and no one is called mayavada. Kailasa says Prabhupada wanted everyone to be guru, that is a generic idea, but that is not the name of any guru.
We cannot worship a generic idea, we need to worship specific persons. Kailasa says we should worship the principle of guru, not any actual guru. Driving the principle of a car means, we go no where. We have to have an actual car to go somewhere.
There is no such thing as worship of the principle of guru, but no actual guru, this is mayavada. We worship the principle of God, but not the actual God Himself. Kailasa thinks he can survive by eating the principle of food, and not actual food, he would not last a week, this is a foolish argument. I am going to eat the principle of food, but no real food, this sounds like looney tunes on steroids.
4) Srila Prabhupada says the Goswamis would not debate anyone -- unless they identified their guru and lineage, whereas Kailasa admits he has no name for his Madhyam guru, no lineage, no nothing, because there he has no Madhya guru.
It is 100% myth and fiction. The guru he promotes is a phantom ghost. A person who cannot name the guru they promote is a mayavada, and should not debate Vaishnavas. No Vaishnava has ever promoted the worship of nothingness, which is clearly mayavada.
Where does Srila Prabhupada say we should promote the worship on nothing and no one?
5) Kailasa says worship of a pure devotee like Srila Prabhupada is heresy, but he does not even have any name for the Madhyam guru he promotes, which is called mayavada (heresy). Srila Prabhupada says the mlecchas are more advanced than these mayavadas like Kailasa, because they worship a specific named pure devotee guru.
Because the mlecchas believe in personal guru and personal God, unlike the people who promote the worship of zero, like Kailasa. When is Kailasa going to understand, the Vaishnavas worship actual persons and not phantom non-entity ghosts who are made up in Kailasa's imagination -- and do not exist anywhere else? The no name Madhyam is a figment of his imagination, he does not exist. He is selling nothing and calling it something, which is mayavada. We are not interested in mayavada, we worship actual persons.
6) Did I forget to mention Kailasa writes position papers for the GBC, and Ravindra Swarupa and Trivrikrama swami were advertising their new GBC 1990 paper, penned by Kailasa. And it was penned by Kailasa and he admits he penned it. Why are we writing papers for the homosexual and pedophile messiah's club?
ys pd
PADA: Hasya Rati says they have a living guru. OK, sign me up, but their living guru evidently has no name, no living existence, no books, no devotees, no temples, no nothing existing anywhere. In other words, they have no living anything anywhere, it is all a bluff.
We have a live guru, who is evidently, a ghost. Srila Prabhupada says that a person who does not name their guru is a mayavada. Told ya! We have a living guru, but, he does not exist! These guys are arguing with their own shadow. They never had a living Madhyam guru, and even if they did, what happens when he departs? No one lives forever, but the worship of the pure devotee does live forever. ys pd
JS: An image of 1 person and text that says "I took sannyasa from a known pedophile."
Bhakta Ernest
Due to all the hate and anger (because Kailasa exposes your ritvik-in-physica-absentia-rascaldom), you have become a madman. Kailasa traveled with Sulocana for three months in 1985 in his van and edited his book "The Guru Business."
Doktorski, Henry. Killing for Krishna: The Danger of Deranged Devotion (p. 514).
PADA: Yes prabhu, Henry's book confirms you Kailasa guys were joining the Bhakti pedos in attacking me and Sulochana as fallen sahajiyas, to make us targets and to discredit us. We all agreed to this a long time ago.
But we are making progress.
1) Srila Prabhupada enjoys the devotees chanting "Jaya Prabhupada," while Kailasa says those devotees are living in a fools paradise because the name of the guru should not be advertised, and kept secret. Secret guru and / or secret mantras are the trademarks of the mayavadas like Kailasa.
We cannot even give out Prabhupada's books to people because the books advertise "the name of the guru" right on the cover. We should not help others get to Krishna by naming our guru, we should keep all this secret like the mayavadas. This is mayavada on steroids. Srila Prabhupada never said we should keep the name of our guru -- or the books of our guru -- which has his name on the cover -- a secret. This was never stated by the acharya.
2) Kailasa is the topmost critic of Sulochana and parrot of the Bhakti pedos -- saying Sulochana is a fallen sahajiya, which Sulochan says -- makes him a target. And which his mom says is meant to discredit him and give him a bad name. Why has Kailasa dedicated his entire life to smearing the name of a great Vaishnava?
Now Kailasa is saying that when Sulochana complains they are calling him a sahajiya to discredit him, Sulochana is making "straw man arguments." Umm, he is not here! His complaint was and is valid, you Kailasa guys joined the Bhakti pedos to "give a dog a bad name and get rid of is" as Sulochana said all the time.
3) Kailasa promotes the worship of the non-existing, non-entity, no-named, phantom, nobody, zero -- proof of existing -- Madhyam guru, because he wants people to worship no one at all. Worship of nothingness and no one is called mayavada. Kailasa says Prabhupada wanted everyone to be guru, that is a generic idea, but that is not the name of any guru.
We cannot worship a generic idea, we need to worship specific persons. Kailasa says we should worship the principle of guru, not any actual guru. Driving the principle of a car means, we go no where. We have to have an actual car to go somewhere.
There is no such thing as worship of the principle of guru, but no actual guru, this is mayavada. We worship the principle of God, but not the actual God Himself. Kailasa thinks he can survive by eating the principle of food, and not actual food, he would not last a week, this is a foolish argument. I am going to eat the principle of food, but no real food, this sounds like looney tunes on steroids.
4) Srila Prabhupada says the Goswamis would not debate anyone -- unless they identified their guru and lineage, whereas Kailasa admits he has no name for his Madhyam guru, no lineage, no nothing, because there he has no Madhya guru.
It is 100% myth and fiction. The guru he promotes is a phantom ghost. A person who cannot name the guru they promote is a mayavada, and should not debate Vaishnavas. No Vaishnava has ever promoted the worship of nothingness, which is clearly mayavada.
Where does Srila Prabhupada say we should promote the worship on nothing and no one?
5) Kailasa says worship of a pure devotee like Srila Prabhupada is heresy, but he does not even have any name for the Madhyam guru he promotes, which is called mayavada (heresy). Srila Prabhupada says the mlecchas are more advanced than these mayavadas like Kailasa, because they worship a specific named pure devotee guru.
Because the mlecchas believe in personal guru and personal God, unlike the people who promote the worship of zero, like Kailasa. When is Kailasa going to understand, the Vaishnavas worship actual persons and not phantom non-entity ghosts who are made up in Kailasa's imagination -- and do not exist anywhere else? The no name Madhyam is a figment of his imagination, he does not exist. He is selling nothing and calling it something, which is mayavada. We are not interested in mayavada, we worship actual persons.
6) Did I forget to mention Kailasa writes position papers for the GBC, and Ravindra Swarupa and Trivrikrama swami were advertising their new GBC 1990 paper, penned by Kailasa. And it was penned by Kailasa and he admits he penned it. Why are we writing papers for the homosexual and pedophile messiah's club?
ys pd
PADA: Hasya Rati says they have a living guru. OK, sign me up, but their living guru evidently has no name, no living existence, no books, no devotees, no temples, no nothing existing anywhere. In other words, they have no living anything anywhere, it is all a bluff.
We have a live guru, who is evidently, a ghost. Srila Prabhupada says that a person who does not name their guru is a mayavada. Told ya! We have a living guru, but, he does not exist! These guys are arguing with their own shadow. They never had a living Madhyam guru, and even if they did, what happens when he departs? No one lives forever, but the worship of the pure devotee does live forever. ys pd
JS: An image of 1 person and text that says "I took sannyasa from a known pedophile."
Bhakta Ernest
Due to all the hate and anger (because Kailasa exposes your ritvik-in-physica-absentia-rascaldom), you have become a madman. Kailasa traveled with Sulocana for three months in 1985 in his van and edited his book "The Guru Business."
Doktorski, Henry. Killing for Krishna: The Danger of Deranged Devotion (p. 514).
PADA: Yes prabhu, Henry's book confirms you Kailasa guys were joining the Bhakti pedos in attacking me and Sulochana as fallen sahajiyas, to make us targets and to discredit us. We all agreed to this a long time ago.
As soon as me and Sulochana said there is a mass child mistreatment problem, immediately the GBC and their allies like Kailasa began to criticize that we are fallen sahajiyas, beer drinkers, TV watchers etc. to discredit us and boost the GBC's guru program. And in the process, makes us targets, which they did.
Of course, since even the Joe six pack hamburger eating people know that it does not matter if the whistle blowers of mass child mistreatment are "fallen sahajiyas," it means they are concocting a false argument just to be deceitful and harm our cause of saving children.
Which is what they did, they suppressed our complaints of the mass child mistreatment. And ever since 1986, the Kailasa people have been the biggest parrots of the perps, their enablers, and the GBC guru flock, saying we are liars, we have no evidence, we are cheaters, we are bogus ritviks and all the same stuff the Bhakti pedos said in 1986. The difference is, many of the former followers of the GBC have apologized to us for countering our complaints and making us targets, and imperiling children, but not the biggest Bhakti pedo clones on the planet, namely Kailasa and his crew.
They still insist that the people who draw attention to mass child mistreatment are sahajiyas, drunks, bogus ritviks, liars -- and all of the rest of the same identical Bhakti pedo program complaints they were all making in 1986. In other words, Sulochana's mom says they are "gloating" over causing all this trouble for us and the children. The good news is, most people now agree with us, countering complaints of mass children mistreatment, making Vaishnavas into hunting targets etc. is unconscionable, if not full on criminal aiding and abetting. Notice also that no other people on the planet start blabbing about sahajiyas and gopis when the topic is mass child mistreatment and making people into targets for elimination. This has nothing to do with the sahajiyas, or the gopis, and even the karmis know that. ys pd
Sulochana told me over and over and over. They (Kailasa and Bhakti pedo folks) are calling me a fallen sahajiya to discredit me and make me a target. He said "Give a dog a bad name and get rid of it." He was their target. And Srila Prabhupada says -- the people who orchestrate the untimely departure of Vaishnavas are never forgiven by the Lord or any agents of the Lord. In other words, there is nothing more sinful. Except there is something way more sinful. It is when the person being targeted is a major whistle blower on mass child mistreatment. That means many children also became targets of mistreatment by silencing their advocate. None of this is authorized by guru, sadhu or shastra. Of course as a bargain they also made me a target, which caused all sorts of mental distress to my own children and others. Which is also sinful. ys pd
Sulochana told me over and over and over. They (Kailasa and Bhakti pedo folks) are calling me a fallen sahajiya to discredit me and make me a target. He said "Give a dog a bad name and get rid of it." He was their target. And Srila Prabhupada says -- the people who orchestrate the untimely departure of Vaishnavas are never forgiven by the Lord or any agents of the Lord. In other words, there is nothing more sinful. Except there is something way more sinful. It is when the person being targeted is a major whistle blower on mass child mistreatment. That means many children also became targets of mistreatment by silencing their advocate. None of this is authorized by guru, sadhu or shastra. Of course as a bargain they also made me a target, which caused all sorts of mental distress to my own children and others. Which is also sinful. ys pd
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