Jayatirtha Fan Club VS PADA / Gurukuli Victim Writes / Kailasa Chandra 04 30 25

 

 

Vicitravirya / Jaya Laksman? / Jayatirtha / Bhaja Hari 

"His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja"

PADA: One of the major questions I get all the time from devotees, media, police, FEDS etc. is -- how did all of this damage and destruction happen to ISKCON and so many of its citizens, especially its children? Why were so many devotees adding fuel to the fire by supporting these false gurus (like Jayatirtha) and why weren't these devotees instead helping PADA -- put out the fires? And that means having these false gurus removed from office. 

In 1979 we were opposing His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja, saying that an intoxicated and lusty person -- who is having affairs with female disciples, and who is offering LSD to the shalagram deity, should NOT EVER be worshiped as God's messiah successor. 

Worse, I said Srila Prabhupada has said -- a guru who has sex with a follower -- is just like a father having sex with his own daughter. And that would mean -- Jayatirtha is a pedophile, at least de facto, or direct or indirect. And by worshiping pedophiles or de facto ones, the society would attract pedophiles, give shelter and sympathy to them, and thus apologize for them and defend them because -- we become what we worship. In other words ISKCON would become a sort of pedophile magnet, which is what happened. 

Unfortunately, most devotees -- and many / most / maybe all the leaders thought my complaints were unfounded, "against the scriprutes," offensive, and I was "not accepting Srila Prabhupada's appointed guru successors." Even more unfortunately, people like the GBC's "seniormost advisor" BR Sridhara Maharaja became the darling of the GBC and Jayatirtha's personal confidential guide and mentor. And he said none of us should protest (the false gurus), and he defended keeping them in the guru post. 

OK so gradually the child molesting issue just got worse and worse, and the pedophiles started to gradually invade and infest the ISKCON society more and more, and especially the schools. Same thing, when we said the situation for the children is getting worse -- and not only that -- just having children worship conditioned souls as guru is going to break their faith in the religion, I was ignored if not suppressed. 

And it did break their faith, the child victims felt -- lied to, used and abused, victimized and cheated. And they were lied to and cheated. I heard so many negative comments from these ex-children, for example, the only time we got soap and clean clothes is -- when they wanted to show us off in a photo op.

As we know, children -- and especially teen agers -- have little tolerance for hypocrisy. Telling them impure people are pure is the height of hypocrisy. In fact it is the worst possible hypocrisy, add to that -- many of the children were systematically -- if not industrially -- abused in the care of these "pure devotees."

Then what? That doubled down the youth's rejection of these leaders and the religion. And yet we "dissenters" were always the bad guys -- if not blasphemers and offenders -- for criticizing the situation going on with these children. People were calling me "chicken little -- always complaining about nothing" etc.

Anyway, the upshot is -- probably 99% of the ex-children have now left the religion. And it should not surprise anyone. Children cannot tolerate being cheated into worshiping -- deviants; clowns; illicit sex with men, women and children lusty dogs; homosexuals; pedophiles; drunks; fools; offenders; porno swamis; and not only worshiping homosexuals and pedophiles -- but their cheer leaders and enablers. They are done with all that and for good reason.

Srila Prabhupada said -- hundreds if not thousands of times -- worshiping lusty and intoxicated conditioned souls as gurus will cause ruination for all concerned. Almost no one seems to have taken the gravity of that seriously. Worse, the GBC guru empire -- built on the principle of worshiping lusty dogs if not pedophiles as gurus -- is still operating along as if nothing wrong has happened.

But the main issue for whistle blower people like me is -- when me and Sulochana said there is a child molesting program going on -- we got TREMENDOUS PUSH BACK from the "devotee community." We were called every name in the book, demonized, I was chased with bats etc. and in sum we were made TARGETS for violence if not ASSASSINATION. 

Then! One of us was assassinated and I only survived with help from the FEDS. And then we had to help victims sue the GBC because victims were COMMITTING SUICIDE, among a host of other problems victims were having. Same thing, all sorts of push back for "destroying the Golden body of ISKCON." Really! 

Later on we had the Krishna Kanta IRM folks, HKC Jaipur folks, Sanat, Mukunda, Prahlad (Paul Coats), Prabhupadanugas EU manager Mathura Pati etc. also chiming in with the homosexual and pedophile messiahs program -- PADA is saving children from being beaten and raped -- which is evil -- and saving children is going to destroy the Golden Body of ISKCON. Boo hoo! Yep, saving children from evil has become the new evil. But only thanks to Kali Yuga.

Wowsers, all these people seem to think their mass industrial child abuse program is some sort of Golden Body of ISKCON or God etc. It isn't. It might be -- at best, the Golden body of Beelzebub. Mass child abuse is not the Golden Body of God, and these folks don't even know that, which is why we had to take shelter of the Joe six pack hamburger society, they at least know the process of ritualistic mass child abuse is sinful, evil, Satanic and has no connection to God or Godly anything, much less it is the Golden Body of God and Guru. 

But hey, the Berkeley police told me in 1986, all the people who are opposing you are ENABLING all these crimes. Yep. So that means the karma for all this rests on the shoulders of the perps, the leaders, the acquiescing, the enablers, and the defenders. As some victims told me, at least you (PADA) did something to try to help us, no one else did. So the whole thing can be chalked up to a shroud of denial and illusion swept over the devotee community. 

But illusion means ignorance, and ignorance means -- a person has to be held accountable eventually. And they will have to suffer for making others suffer from their denial and ignorance. ys pd   

Morning Walk -- January 31, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Hari-śauri: The one thing that shocks the Indians the most is Vivekananda.
Prabhupāda: Because they're rascals. Modern people in India, they are all rascals. Whole population is bokā.
Gargamuni: No. The Marwaris don't like him because he was a chicken-eater.
Prabhupāda: Marwaris are little religious. They...
Gargamuni: They never talk about Vivekananda. They don't like him.
Prabhupāda: He was rascal number one. He brought three women with whom he had intimate connection. That is very easy to make intimate connection with woman in America. With money also. He brought. And with their money. Aurobindo also, the same thing. With woman's money they became rich, not like me, with hard labor of writing books and selling. I could also do. There was chance. But this is not my business to make intimate relation with woman and get money. I could do. There was chance. When attempt was failed, the man who introduced that woman to me, he one day said, "I have seen many swamis, but none like you." (laughter)
Gargamuni: They advise you to grow a beard and to wear Western suit, the other swamis. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...in a different style. (break) ...money. These rascals are also after woman and money, in a different style. Asat eka strī-saṅgī. Caitanya Mahāprabhu immediately rejects him, that "He's a rascal. He's after women." Immediately. Asat strī-saṅgī. Two kinds of rascals—nondevotee of Kṛṣṇa and woman-hunter—reject immediately. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's... The sannyāsa life is... What is that? Cent percent, no connection with woman. That is sannyāsa. What we have renounced? We have renounced... We are using the motorcar, we are using this machine, we are eating, we are sleeping in nice room—what is the renouncement? Only renouncement is no connection with woman. That is the real platform of renouncement. If one can renounce woman's connection, then he's liberated man. That is very, very difficult. (break) Except myself, they go for woman and money, that's all, in foreign countries. This is the position. This Vishnu, Vishnu... Vishnananda, Vishnu-ananda? Now what is that? One yogi is in Montreal?
Satsvarūpa: Vishnu-something-ananda.
Prabhupāda: He also is after women. That's all.
Satsvarūpa: Swami Sac-cid-ananda.

A GURUKULI VICTIM IS STILL SUFFERING NOW 

I am 54 years old. Yesterday i cleaned out a nest of roaches. I lost my shit.

Memories of when Mother Dharini would pull my sleeping bag in the dirty kitchen they used as a garbage room. It started when i was 7 years old. For 3 years till we moved with the school to be tortured some more at the new gurukula in montocello, ny.

My freak out...It was not as visual. Just raw emotions ..fear ...disgust ...dred ...terror. I had to breathe to not throw up, I was so upset. Flashes of feeling them crawling all over me all over my sleeping bag. Even mice ran over me. One got inside. I had no idea till i woke up and found baby mice by my feet.

I would zip it all up with me in it.

I'd sufficate myself all the while feeling them on the sleeping bag. It was a regular punishment aside from the demerits system they had. She said i was a talker. Prajalpa prajalpa. 6pm was bed time. No talking. She would put me in there just in case i talked.

Now im 54.

Years of therapy.

But i lose my shit when I see roaches. This was a big nest i found. Winning the law suit didnt do shit for my ptsd. 54 and Im over here still working on my ptsd. My biggest thing till this day is me working on not collecting difficult people in my life. They love me.

Till I Ive had enough of walking on egg shells and over standing them and i finally tell them what I really think and feel. I battle survival modes. Getting along with difficult people to survive is one of them. People ask me and have even had the audacity to come at me publicly as to why I had to stop all of my gurukuli advocacy.

Its cause im still a hot fucking mess. I just have a great smile.

PADA: All the people who keep telling me this is all in the past, are still in denial and illusion now. None of this is "in the past" for these victims and /or their families.

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RE: KAILASA CHANDRA


But we are making progress.

1) Srila Prabhupada enjoys the devotees chanting "Jaya Prabhupada," while Kailasa says those devotees are living in a fools paradise because the name of the guru should not be advertised, and kept secret. Secret guru and / or secret mantras are the trademarks of the mayavadas like Kailasa.


We cannot even give out Prabhupada's books to people because the books advertise "the name of the guru" right on the cover. We should not help others get to Krishna by naming our guru, we should keep all this secret like the mayavadas. This is mayavada on steroids. Srila Prabhupada never said we should keep the name of our guru -- or the books of our guru -- which has his name on the cover -- a secret. This was never stated by the acharya.

2) Kailasa is the topmost critic of Sulochana and parrot of the Bhakti pedos -- saying Sulochana is a fallen sahajiya, which Sulochan says -- makes him a target. And which his mom says is meant to discredit him and give him a bad name. Why has Kailasa dedicated his entire life to smearing the name of a great Vaishnava?


Now Kailasa is saying that when Sulochana complains they are calling him a sahajiya to discredit him, Sulochana is making "straw man arguments." Umm, he is not here! His complaint was and is valid, you Kailasa guys joined the Bhakti pedos to "give a dog a bad name and get rid of is" as Sulochana said all the time.

3) Kailasa promotes the worship of the non-existing, non-entity, no-named, phantom, nobody, zero -- proof of existing -- Madhyam guru, because he wants people to worship no one at all. Worship of nothingness and no one is called mayavada. Kailasa says Prabhupada wanted everyone to be guru, that is a generic idea, but that is not the name of any guru.


We cannot worship a generic idea, we need to worship specific persons. Kailasa says we should worship the principle of guru, not any actual guru. Driving the principle of a car means, we go no where. We have to have an actual car to go somewhere.


There is no such thing as worship of the principle of guru, but no actual guru, this is mayavada. We worship the principle of God, but not the actual God Himself. Kailasa thinks he can survive by eating the principle of food, and not actual food, he would not last a week, this is a foolish argument. I am going to eat the principle of food, but no real food, this sounds like looney tunes on steroids.

4) Srila Prabhupada says the Goswamis would not debate anyone -- unless they identified their guru and lineage, whereas Kailasa admits he has no name for his Madhyam guru, no lineage, no nothing, because there he has no Madhya guru.


It is 100% myth and fiction. The guru he promotes is a phantom ghost. A person who cannot name the guru they promote is a mayavada, and should not debate Vaishnavas. No Vaishnava has ever promoted the worship of nothingness, which is clearly mayavada.


Where does Srila Prabhupada say we should promote the worship on nothing and no one?

5) Kailasa says worship of a pure devotee like Srila Prabhupada is heresy, but he does not even have any name for the Madhyam guru he promotes, which is called mayavada (heresy). Srila Prabhupada says the mlecchas are more advanced than these mayavadas like Kailasa, because they worship a specific named pure devotee guru.


Because the mlecchas believe in personal guru and personal God, unlike the people who promote the worship of zero, like Kailasa. When is Kailasa going to understand, the Vaishnavas worship actual persons and not phantom non-entity ghosts who are made up in Kailasa's imagination -- and do not exist anywhere else? The no name Madhyam is a figment of his imagination, he does not exist. He is selling nothing and calling it something, which is mayavada. We are not interested in mayavada, we worship actual persons.


6) Did I forget to mention Kailasa writes position papers for the GBC, and Ravindra Swarupa and Trivrikrama swami were advertising their new GBC 1990 paper, penned by Kailasa. And it was penned by Kailasa and he admits he penned it. Why are we writing papers for the homosexual and pedophile messiah's club?


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PADA: Hasya Rati says they have a living guru. OK, sign me up, but their living guru evidently has no name, no living existence, no books, no devotees, no temples, no nothing existing anywhere. In other words, they have no living anything anywhere, it is all a bluff.


We have a live guru, who is evidently, a ghost. Srila Prabhupada says that a person who does not name their guru is a mayavada. Told ya! We have a living guru, but, he does not exist! These guys are arguing with their own shadow. They never had a living Madhyam guru, and even if they did, what happens when he departs? No one lives forever, but the worship of the pure devotee does live forever. ys pd

JS: An image of 1 person and text that says "I took sannyasa from a known pedophile."

Bhakta Ernest

Due to all the hate and anger (because Kailasa exposes your ritvik-in-physica-absentia-rascaldom), you have become a madman. Kailasa traveled with Sulocana for three months in 1985 in his van and edited his book "The Guru Business."

Doktorski, Henry. Killing for Krishna: The Danger of Deranged Devotion (p. 514).

PADA: Yes prabhu, Henry's book confirms you Kailasa guys were joining the Bhakti pedos in attacking me and Sulochana as fallen sahajiyas, to make us targets and to discredit us. We all agreed to this a long time ago. 

As soon as me and Sulochana said there is a mass child mistreatment problem, immediately the GBC and their allies like Kailasa began to criticize that we are fallen sahajiyas, beer drinkers, TV watchers etc. to discredit us and boost the GBC's guru program. And in the process, makes us targets, which they did. 

Of course, since even the Joe six pack hamburger eating people know that it does not matter if the whistle blowers of mass child mistreatment are "fallen sahajiyas," it means they are concocting a false argument just to be deceitful and harm our cause of saving children. 

Which is what they did, they suppressed our complaints of the mass child mistreatment. And ever since 1986, the Kailasa people have been the biggest parrots of the perps, their enablers, and the GBC guru flock, saying we are liars, we have no evidence, we are cheaters, we are bogus ritviks and all the same stuff the Bhakti pedos said in 1986. The difference is, many of the former followers of the GBC have apologized to us for countering our complaints and making us targets, and imperiling children, but not the biggest Bhakti pedo clones on the planet, namely Kailasa and his crew. 

They still insist that the people who draw attention to mass child mistreatment are sahajiyas, drunks, bogus ritviks, liars -- and all of the rest of the same identical Bhakti pedo program complaints they were all making in 1986. In other words, Sulochana's mom says they are "gloating" over causing all this trouble for us and the children. The good news is, most people now agree with us, countering complaints of mass children mistreatment, making Vaishnavas into hunting targets etc. is unconscionable, if not full on criminal aiding and abetting. Notice also that no other people on the planet start blabbing about sahajiyas and gopis when the topic is mass child mistreatment and making people into targets for elimination. This has nothing to do with the sahajiyas, or the gopis, and even the karmis know that. ys pd

Sulochana told me over and over and over. They (Kailasa and Bhakti pedo folks) are calling me a fallen sahajiya to discredit me and make me a target. He said "Give a dog a bad name and get rid of it." He was their target. And Srila Prabhupada says -- the people who orchestrate the untimely departure of Vaishnavas are never forgiven by the Lord or any agents of the Lord. In other words, there is nothing more sinful. Except there is something way more sinful. It is when the person being targeted is a major whistle blower on mass child mistreatment. That means many children also became targets of mistreatment by silencing their advocate. None of this is authorized by guru, sadhu or shastra. Of course as a bargain they also made me a target, which caused all sorts of mental distress to my own children and others. Which is also sinful. ys pd

The End of an Era: Krishna's Departure (VIDEO) 04 27 25

PADA: Wow pilgrims. Krishna's leaving the planet was really a huge transition into our Kali age. Already symptoms of Kali were starting to take over even when He was present. It is going downhill fast ever since. 

After Krishna left, people lost their potency. It seems after Srila Prabhupada left, the same things happened, people became weak and unable to fight against injustice. Buddhimanta told me he could not distribute books any more, he told me he lost his touch. He lost his potency. Yep.

There are many lessons here. The children who mocked the sages ended up causing the destruction of their entire clan. Lesson here? One must be very careful not to mock or minimize the sages. Or be sitting in their vyasa seats while drinking Vodka and having affairs. That will cause destruction, and the process of minimizing the sages caused the destruction of ISKCON as well, and in turn, many of its citizens. 

Even the people not involved in mocking the sages were afflicted, just like everyone in ISKCON was afflicted by the faults of a few. Anyway I find the whole scenario of Krishna leaving to be very sad personally. Makes me wanna cry. It is a tragic event. And Srila Prabhupada's departure is not any different, another tragic event. Perhaps more tragic because while Krishna can defend Himself, an elderly sadhu will not have that capacity.

The lesson here for me overall, no one can challenge the authority of Krishna, it never ends well and never will end well. Challenging Krishna makes life hard for everyone and that is why there is only one solution -- we have to get back to our original home in Vaikuntha. 

Being in the material world is ALWAYS trouble, even if we are in the leela of Krishna here, there will be unpleasant side show events taking place -- because that is the nature of the material world. I just hope -- and pray -- I have learned not to challenge the authority of the Supreme Being. Yep -- never ends well. And this video shows all sorts of examples. I cannot say all this video is fully accurate, but it gives the general idea. ys pd 

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India -- Pakistan / Free of GBC Gurus / Christian's Rasa / PADA music etc.

PADA: Oh oh pilgrims, this is not looking good. Every now and again Pakistan people come over to hurt and kill India folks, and Pakistan keeps saying they have nothing to do with it. 

OK, but not everyone believes that. It looks like a pattern here. Meanwhile India admits they had "security lapses." No kidding, you'd need armed people up there escorting tourists and pilgrims etc. 

They should know that by now -- all tourist's bus and pilgrim's groups should have armed guards. Maybe some of the tourists should be vetted and also given arms. 

We already know these guys go after the soft targets of unarmed people who cannot defend themselves. I am not sure why India keeps re-learning that over and over? 

Anyway, now it has become a real crisis and we have to see how it all unfolds. Some devotees told me this is the start of WW III, well maybe, but I am not sure which super powers will back either side right now. I think the rest of the world is standing back presently, because they have enough of their own problems. We shall see. ys pd 

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RUSSIA NEWS: The story of one disciple: liberation from the guru-trap.

I followed him as if he were Krishna. Every word of his is truth. Every movement is lila. I saved up for darshan. I was afraid of losing contact. I believed that without him, it would be spiritual death. And then the cracks began.

First, small ones: why does he look at matajis like that? Why are those around him so nervous? Then, big ones: why does money from the funds go where it “shouldn’t” go? Why is he different in personal conversations — tough, cold, calculating? I tried to explain to myself: this is my karma. This is a test. This is Maya.

But at some point, I realized that I am not a disciple. I am an instrument in someone else’s game. He did not save me. He fed on me. When I left, they cursed me. They said: fallen, an offender, without hope.

But that's when the real connection with Prabhupada began. No fear. No middlemen. No playing "guru-tattva by the list." I'm not fighting ISKCON. I'm just not playing saintliness by the organization charter anymore.

Krishna is real. And everything else... let it stay in the GBC archives.

C DASI: Ike the modern scientists have underestimate the part of DNA they finally call "Garbage Dna", now we know there reside the most important aspect of Dna, similarly so called poor invisible leftover and unknown disciples are the life force of Srlla Prabhupada's real movement as Lord Rama's monkeys army, they help his Divine Grace sustain the integrity of his spiritual heritage.

RMD: The refugee disciples ... those who left ISKCON sometimes take shelter of Prabhupada. But they should not have been taken away from ISKCON in the first place. ISKCON is always in a state of losing people and then trying to find "fresh blood" to feed off. 

This is like a Vampire society, fresh blood ... and many died along the way. It will not last and is not lasting. They think we will replace all the "guru doubters" with new people, but the supply of new people is diminishing ... because more people are seeing what cheating is going on. 

D Dasi: Yes we are living Mahabharat right now in our movement. The battle is going on. The institutions are spending millions of dollars to stop us from printing His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupadas books as he left them for us.

The court cases are going on right now. Over 25 of them. They are silently without the knowledge of most congregational members, doing lawsuits against all genuine monkey army of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada.

They are spending millions in lawsuits to stop genuine followers from having apps which contain the books before 1978 and aggressively doing lawsuits to stop the printing physically everywhere all over the world.

Right now there is almost no printing of these books going on and very few know about this. Do not lose faith because Krishna will certainly be on the side of those who wish to spread His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupadas true books and instructions. Knowingly or unknowingly… Whoever distributes changed books or performs arati starting with Krishna instead of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada or offers bhoga to bogus gurus (and thinks it is prasad) are simply mimicking devotional service and there is no benefit there. 

It looks like one big Krishna party but actually that's all it is… Just a party full of duped disciples and rich gurus. Within that conglomeration you will find many abusers, pedophiles, and cheaters in general. If we don't speak up about it, that means we are part of it even if we don't think we are.

When His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada said many times we should expose the cheaters… He was not just talking about the ones outside of our movement. He was especially referring to sinister movement within our society. This is all part of our purification… Just like the battle of Kuruksetra. Either we lose heart and become weak and not fight… Or we become like servant of Arjuna and follow his example to fight with His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada and Krishna and serve the true disciplic succession

GBC ISKCON: Spiritual Leadership or Bureaucracy?

In recent years, more and more devotees have been asking the question: Who is really running ISKCON? Instead of Srila Prabhupada’s mission, we are seeing the growth of bureaucracy and the centralization of power in the hands of the GBC.
The GBC has decreed that cases of child abuse must be reported to law enforcement.

However, in the Lokanatha Swami case, this decree was ignored. Despite allegations of child sexual abuse, the GBC failed to take appropriate action.
Critics claim that the GBC is violating Prabhupada’s instructions by seeking complete centralization and suppressing local initiatives.

Some GBC members even admit that ISKCON is in a state of disintegration, which is causing serious concern among devotees. There are signs of sectarian behavior within the organization, including manipulation and abuse of power.

The question remains: is the current GBC leadership in line with Prabhupada's original mission? 

PADA: The GBC used to have a crisis management fire brigade they would send over, and over, and over, when one of their gurus was in crisis, which was often. The gang of four gurus removed me from ISKCON in 1979 when we had the Jayatirtha crisis problem. 

There was then one crisis after the next ongoing, with all sorts of "emergency GBC meetings." Later on, around 1986, the fire brigade came to Berkeley. Usual suspects, Hrdayananda, Nrsimhananda, Mukunda swami, Ravindra etc. I came into the meeting with no invitation, they had rented a giant table with chairs, which was in the temple foyer. Looked like the round table of all the kings horses and all the kings men trying to put humpty Hansadutta back together again. I said, hey we have to get rid of Hansadutta, he is having affairs with half dozen ladies and he is drinking Vodka and taking tons of percodans. 

They said, Hansadutta stays because if we get rid of him, his followers will go and we have no money. Oooops, same thing they told me about Jayatirtha. Yeah they just bypassed the whole point of the problems Hansadutta was creating, including blasting out the windows of stores in downtown Berkeley, which were occupied, since it was the middle of the day, so people were running and screaming everywhere. 

If this guy is God's successor, then I am already more qualified to be an angel from heaven since I am better than this guy. Hee hee. Anyway, long short, Hansadutta died still drinking lots of alcohol, same day he departed. The good news is that ISKCON only had to spend $500,000 getting Hansadutta freed from going to jail for blasting downtown Berkeley, the GBC thought that was a good bargain, they could have been sued and worse. ys pd

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By Srila Saccidananda Bhaktivinoda Thakura (1838 –1914)

I know it is hard to accept.

But it is all in His hands.

Not a whole lot of it is in ours.

And whatever we do have is also temporary,

and constantly slipping out of our hands.

If the reader carefully considers, it will be found that the spiritual science gradually evolved from ancient times and became more simple, more clear and more condensed. The more impurities arising from time and place are removed, the more the beauties of the spiritual science brightly shine before us. 

This spiritual science took birth in the land of kusha grass on the banks of the Sarasvati river in Brahmavarta. As it gradually gained strength, this spiritual science spent its childhood in the abode of Badarikashram, which is covered with snow. It spent its boyhood in Naimisharanya on the banks of the Gomati river and its youth on the beautiful banks of the Kaveri river in the province of Dravida. The spiritual science attained maturity in Navadvip, on the banks of the Ganges, which purifies the universe.

By studying the history of the world, it is found that the spiritual science reached its peak in Navadvip. The Supreme Absolute Truth is the only object of love for the living entities. Unless one worships Him with attachment, however, the living entity can never attain Him. Even if a person gives up all affection for this world and thinks of the Supreme Lord, He is still not easily achieved. He is controlled and attained by transcendental mellows alone. These mellows are of five types - shanta, dasya, sakya, vatsalya and madhurya.

The first mellow, shanta, is the stage in which the living entity surpasses the pains of material existence and situates himself in transcendence. In that state there is a little happiness, but no feeling of independence. At that time the relationship between the practitioner and the Lord is not yet established.

Dasya rasa is the second mellow. It contains all the ingredients of shanta rasa as well as affection. "The Lord is my master, and I am His eternal servant". This type of relationship is found in dasya rasa. No one cares much for any of the best things of this world unless they are connected with affection. Therefore dasya rasa is superior to shanta rasa in many ways.

Sakya is superior to dasya. In dasya rasa there is a thorn in the form of awe and reverence, but the main ornament in sakya rasa is the feeling of friendship in equality. Among the servants, one who is a friend is superior. There is no doubt about it. In sakya rasa all the wealth of shanta and dasya is included.

It is easy to understand that vatsalya is superior to sakya. A son gives more affection and happiness than any friend. Therefore in vatsalya rasa we find the wealth of four rasas. Although vatsalya rasa is superior to these other rasas, it appears insgnificant before madhurya rasa. There may be many secrets unknown between father and son, but this not the case between husband and wife. 

Therefore, if we deeply consider, it will be seen that all the above-mentioned rasas attain perfection within madhurya rasa.

If we go through the histories of these five rasas, it is clearly understood that shanta rasa was seen in the beginning days of India. When the soul was not satisfied after performing sacrifices with material ingredients, then transcendentalists like Sanaka, Sanatana, Sanat-kumara, Sananda, Narada and Lord Shiva all became detached from the material world, situated in transcendence and realized shanta rasa.

Much later, dasya rasa manifested in Hanuman, the servant of Sri Ramachandra. That same dasya rasa gradually expanded in the northwest and manifested in a great personality named Moses.

In the age of Dvapara, Uddhava and Arjuna became the qualified authorities of sakhya rasa. They preached this rasa throughout the world. Gradually that rasa expanded up to the Arabian countries and touched the heart of Mohammed, the knower of religious principles.

Vatsalya rasa manifested throughout India in different forms at different times. Among the different forms, vatsalya mixed with opulence crossed India and appeared in a great personality named Jesus Christ, who was a preacher of Jewish religious principles.

Madhurya rasa first shone brightly in Braj. It is extremely rare for this rasa to enter the hearts of conditioned souls, because this rasa tends to remain with qualified, pure living entities. This confidential rasa was preached by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the moon of Navadvipa, along with His followers.

Till now, this rasa has not crossed beyond India. Recently a scholar from England named Newman realized something about this rasa and wrote a book about it. The people of Europe and America have not been satisfied with vatsalya rasa mixed with opulence as preached by Jesus Christ. I hope, by the grace of the Lord, in a very short time they will become attached to drinking the intoxicating nectar of madhurya rasa.

It has been seen that any rasa that appears in India eventually spreads to the western countries, therefore madhurya rasa will soon be preached throughout the world. Just as the sun rises first in India and gradually spreads its lights to the West, the matchless splendor of spiritual truth appears first in India and gradually spreads to the Western countries.

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"When living entities give the Supreme Lord trouble, the Lord comes, collects them together, and puts them in this material world. In essence, He says, “You live here. You are all disturbing the creation; therefore you are criminals and have to live in this material world.” Sthānād bhraṣṭāḥ patanty adhaḥ: “One falls down from his constitutional position.” 

If a finger is diseased, it has to be amputated lest it pollute the entire body. Having rebelled against the principles of God consciousness, we are cut off from our original position. We have fallen. In order to regain our original position, we must resume rendering service unto the Supreme Lord. That is the perfect cure. 

Otherwise we will continue to suffer pain, and God will suffer pain because of us. If I am a father, and my son is not good, I suffer, and my son suffers also. Similarly, we are all sons of God, and when we cause God pain, we are also pained. The best course is to revive our original Kṛṣṇa consciousness and engage in the Lord’s service. That is our natural life, and that is possible in the spiritual sky, Goloka Vṛndāvana.'

The Path of Perfection 8: Failure and Success in Yoga

Another PADA music attempt. ys pd

Chinese Influencers Video / Anuttama on Poison Issue 04 25 25

PADA: Yeah, the USA made all these "free trade with China" deals, which offshored 800,000 businesses and millions of jobs, and scuttled the USA's own economy. And this really is not "China ripping off the USA," it is the USA ripping off itself. 

Well it looks like all the chickens are finally coming home to roost on these trade issues, after decades of "making China great again," we are finally wondering why we never thought it would be a good idea to make the USA great again. Hee hee. I need to get out now, to buy my Chinese made MAGA hat! 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

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PADA: Poison issue is not going away anytime soon, sorry Mr. Anuttama. More people are getting on board every day, including we are getting more inquiries from Belarus, Poland, Slovakia, Ukraine and etc. But neither is the child abuse issue, changed books issue, bogus acharyas issue, and all the rest of it going away. Chickens coming home to roost here in ISKCON as well. ys pd

Statement Regarding Unfounded Poison Allegations

By Anuttama Dasa, Global Minister of Communications   |  Apr 25, 2025

Statement Regarding Unfounded Poison Allegations

ISKCON Communications

Anuttama Dasa, Minister

April 25, 2025

Summary

The recently resurfaced poison allegations regarding the disappearance of Srila Prabhupada rely on the same inconclusive sources cited over the past two decades: much-debated audio recordings and an analysis of hair samples. These claims have already been extensively reviewed, with no conclusive findings to support the theory. In addition, the statements of Srila Prabhupada’s immediate caregivers at the time highlight the implausibility of such allegations.

Full Statement 

Allegations that Srila Prabhupada was deliberately poisoned by several of his closest disciples during his last months in this world have recently resurfaced. These allegations have been promoted by a group that named itself the “Justice for Srila Prabhupada Foundation.” They claim to have new evidence to support their theory. 

Upon examination, the recent allegations rest on the same sources of questionable ‘evidence’ that have been cited by proponents of this theory for over 20 years. Specifically, the claims rely on two sources of information. The first is a selection of audio recordings from Srila Prabhupada’s room in Vrindavan, India, the week before his departure. The second is a set of hair samples from His Divine Grace that were subjected to tests in the late 1990s and early 2000s. 

The original poisoning allegations began around 1997 based on a series of audio recordings (still available from the BBT archives) of conversations between Srila Prabhupada, his disciples, and others in the days leading up to his passing. 

In the recordings, Srila Prabhupada openly discusses his symptoms and himself uses the word “poison” in various contexts. Based on these recordings, the promoters of the allegations claim Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. In fact, in a conversation with the Kaviraja, the Ayurvedic doctor treating him, Prabhupada himself dismissed this interpretation and instead said clearly, “No. These kind of symptoms are seen when a man is poisoned. He said like that, not that I am poisoned!”  Further information about the tapes may be found in Appendix C. 

The original allegations from the late 1990s claimed that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned via the administration of arsenic. Using hair samples that were 20 years old at the time, the tests seemed to show elevated levels of arsenic. 

Recognizing the seriousness of these claims, the ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC) commissioned two different investigations, in 1997 and 2001. Neither of these investigations, which included testimony from a wide range of disciples present in Vrindavan during 1977, found any merit to the claims of deliberate poisoning. 

The second investigation included the expert testimony of the surgeon who treated Srila Prabhupada in September 1977. Dr. Andrew McIrvine, from Watford General Hospital, affirmed in his testimony that his Divine Grace was suffering from irreversible renal failure and advanced diabetes.

In addition to the GBC-commissioned studies, Mayesvara Dasa, a disciple of Srila Prabhupada spent five years investigating the allegations, resulting in his book Deception (2020). This study surveys all the available information and provides compelling alternate explanations for the ‘evidence’ cited by the proponents of the poison theory. 

Mayesvara’s study explains how Srila Prabhupada used the term “poison” in conversations during his last year; why the so-called “whisper tapes” depend on discredited audio technologies; and why cadmium, which later replaced arsenic by proponents of the theory as the alleged means of poisoning, would be unlikely, if not inconceivable, as a poisoning agent in 1977. 

The test of hair samples collected from Srila Prabhupada during his final months does show abnormally high levels of cadmium, yet there are multiple possible explanations for this, including environmental contamination. Furthermore, high levels of cadmium are, by no measure, conclusive evidence of intentional poisoning. 

In their public communications, the Foundation has cited Truth Labs Inc., a Hyderabad-based forensics agency that they contracted to investigate and substantiate their allegations. But the Foundation has refused to share the full results of their investigation. Additionally, requests by the Bhaktivedanta Institute to interview their principal investigator, Dr. Poorna Chandra Gandhi Kaza, have been denied. In the absence of full and accurate information about Truth Labs and their methods, limited credence can be given to any of the conclusions they draw. 

It is significant to note that forensic sciences do not recommend hair sampling as a test for poisoning.In other fields, hair analysis is used to determine the presence of drugs, alcohol, and DNA matching. However, even in the medical world, such tests are considered controversial and unreliable for diagnoses, and they rarely pass as admissible evidence in legal proceedings. 

Perhaps most importantly, it can be noted that not a single disciple who was involved in Srila Prabhupada’s care during his final year find these claims even remotely plausible. Moreover, Srila Prabhupada’s closest associates and caregivers repeatedly used words like “impossible” to describe the poisoning theorists’ claims. 

The findings of these investigations, including the statements of many witnesses, are freely available for those who want to review the evidence mounting against the poison theory. The appendices below provide links to various sources of information.

The Communications Ministry offers this brief summary to inform devotees who may be unaware of the past iterations of the poison claims. We urge the ISKCON community to recognize the integrity of Srila Prabhupada’s caretakers and to critically examine the body of evidence that puts to rest this oft debunked theory.  

Appendix A

Useful Resources

2000 GBC Response. Also excerpted in Appendix B below.

2000 GBC endorsed book Not That I Am Poisoned (60 pages) compiled by the GBC Ministry for the Protection of ISKCON, available section by section here.

2017 Letter of Response from GBC.

2020 Rebuttal YouTube Video: “Deception – Poison Conspiracy Fraud”.

2020 Rebuttal book Deception (472 pages).

Appendix B

GBC Resolutions, Year 2000, #617:  Poison Controversy Statement: 

WHEREAS, the book Not That I Am Poisoned, published by the GBC Ministry for the Protection of ISKCON, establishes that:

Srila Prabhupada’s medical history shows no evidence of poisoning but rather confirms diabetes as the major factor in His Divine Grace’s deteriorated physical health.

Forensic (hair) analysis does not show any evidence of poisoning in that the amount of arsenic is compatible with environmental levels and with normal physiological functioning.

Recorded conversations indicate that Srila Prabhupada did not believe he was poisoned.

Analysis of ‘whisper evidence’ is inconclusive or can be shown to correlate with spoken conversations of the same time.

WHEREAS, the report submitted by Balavanta Das, commissioned by the GBC Executive Committee, does not contradict the conclusions of the more detailed investigation by the Ministry for the Protection of ISKCON;

[STATEMENT] IT IS RESOLVED THAT 1. There is no evidence at this time to support the allegations of poisoning of Srila Prabhupada. This conclusion is based on two independent reports commissioned by the GBC Body.

The GBC Body endorses the book Not That I Am Poisoned as the most detailed and comprehensive exposition of these allegations to date, and it recommends this book strongly to devotees who may have been affected by or who are interested in this issue.

Appendix C

The Word ‘Poison’ in Context

The word ‘poison’ was used in conversations around Srila Prabhupada’s bedside. These conversations referenced three specific themes: Ayurvedic treatments, Srila Prabhupada’s failing organs of filtration, and Srila Prabhupada’s changed appearance. Regarding Ayurvedic medicines, Srila Prabhupada made it very clear that he preferred Ayurvedic cures over modern allopathic treatments. Consequently, one of the first remedies his caregivers sought out was the potent Ayurvedic medicine makaradhavaja.  

There was a danger with this particular compound because it included mercury. If Srila Prabhupada’s body was too frail, it could have a poisonous effect.  The word poison was thus introduced into the discussion regarding his health to indicate the limited effectiveness of the treatments and the potential harm they could cause. [BBT Archives Ref: Nov. 8, 771108R2-VRNDAVAN starting at the 6:34 minute mark].

As his condition grew worse, the discussion turned to how Srila Prabhupada’s longstanding diabetes had affected the kidneys’ usual work of removing waste products and extra fluid from the body. At that time, the conversation included references to how his own blood was acting as a poisoning agent.  See testimony here. 

The third way the word poison entered the dialogue occurred when visitors were shocked to see how frail he had become. Thus, when the Kaviraja asked Srila Prabhupada: “How did you say today that you have been poisoned?  Did you get some indication or feeling about this?” Srila Prabhupada’s response was clear and unambiguous: “No.  Someone said that, if you give then these things happen Maybe it’s written in some book?”  When Tamala Krsna Goswami asked the next day “it is said that you were poisoned?” Srila Prabhupada again responded with a firm “No”. These kind of symptoms are seen when a man is poisoned. He said like that, not that I am poisoned.”  [BBT Archives Ref: Nov. 9  771109R1-VRNDAVAN starting at the 15:36 minute mark].

Thus, it is not surprising that Srila Prabhupada’s servants would mention “poison” in their concerned discussions. After listening to tapes recorded during the last days that Srila Prabhupada was physically present, some have contended that background whispers contain the word poison and indicate the presence of conspirators discussing their attempt to harm Srila Prabhupada. 

For instance, some individuals have said that the tapes contain a whispered comment that ‘the poison is going down’ and that this indicates that Srila Prabhupada was drinking a poisoned substance at that time. However, according to the conversation itself and as multiple testimonies have corroborated, the activity in the room at that time was about assisting Srila Prabhupada to lie down from a sitting position. The whisper can be heard as “the swelling is going down” following this change of position. [BBT Archives Ref: Nov. 10, 771110R2-VRNDAVAN at the 1:58 minute mark].

This and similar examples show that the audio evidence, which has been carefully examined by forensic audio engineers, does not support the allegation that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned by his servants.

In summary, contrary to the allegations made, the available audio does not demonstratively indicate that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned or believed that he himself was poisoned. To suggest otherwise is based on a highly questionable interpretation.  

Appendix D

A Brief Response to the Cadmium Claim

As noted above, for years the poison theorists claimed that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned with arsenic. However, in the early 2000s the allegations shifted to cadmium as the primary source of alleged poisoning. One argument given is that tests concluded that the level of cadmium measured in Srila Prabhupada’s hair was about 250x normal. 

While this is cited as conclusive evidence of deliberate poisoning, there are more plausible alternate explanations. For instance, the high cadmium levels in the tests could just as likely be due to external contamination of the samples, and/or analytic error. This uncertainty has been noted by experts regarding the validity of such tests. This is also corroborated by Srila Prabhupada’s physical condition in his last years, which was not consistent with the long-term effects of cadmium poisoning.  

If the 250x figure was accurate, Srila Prabhupada would have to have been administered cadmium over the course of several years. Such long-term exposure would have resulted in other conditions of cadmium poisoning including bone weakening, liver damage, respiratory issues, and a compromised cardiovascular system; none of which Prabhupada exhibited. One of the likely long-term effects of cadmium exposure is kidney disease, which is a disease from which Srila Prabhupada suffered. But, without the other symptoms being present, the conclusion of the poison theorists is highly speculative and unlikely.

Appendix E

Personal Testimonies

Many personal testimonies have been recorded from respected and senior disciples of Srila Prabhupada who were with Prabhupada in his last days, and who personally dispute any speculation that Srila Prabhupada was administered poison during his last few months and days on this earth. 

A .pdf of this statement can be found here. 

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A new message from the "Justice For Srila Prabhupoada Foundation":

April 25th, 2025

Srila Prabhupada’s words (sabda- pramana): Primary evidence that Srila Prabhupada was criminally poisoned

Forensic science findings (anumana): Supportive evidence, that supports and reinforces Srila Prabhupada’s words and conclusions

The primary evidence that Srila Prabhupada was administered poison with homicidal intent, is Srila Prabhupada’s words. In terms of Vedic epistemology, that is called sabda-pramana, infallible vibration from pure, perfect, transcendental source and authority. Because Srila Prabhupada’s statements constitute the chief source of evidence, our main emphasis is to encourage everyone to directly hear from Srila Prabhupada about his departure pastime.

At this link- https://justiceforsrilaprabhupadafoundation.org/.../Versi... – you can hear Srila Prabhupada expressing that he is being given poison.

For example, listen carefully to Srila Prabhupada statements to Balaram Mishra and Kaviraj, starting at 1:15, and, starting at 8:10, Srila Prabhupada saying that he’s experiencing mental distress, because someone is poisoning him (“that someone has poisoned me”).

Also, from 15:55 through 17:10 we get to hear Srila Prabhupada’s metaphor, “The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama. Eh? That Marica- if he does not go to mislead Sita, he’ll be killed by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.” Srila Prabhupada seems clearly to be indicating that to stay with his caregivers is tantamount to being with metaphorical Ravana.
So, Srila Prabhupada’s vani, his words, are the primary, most vital and important evidence, that he was given poison with murderous intent.

Pratyaksa (direct sense perception) and anumana (inferential methods, akin to modern, empirical, material science approaches) methods for acquiring knowledge are subject to the defects inherent in material senses, mind and intellect. These shortcomings include, limitations, and the tendencies to commit mistakes, be illusioned, and cheat, or mislead. Thus, such epistemologies are certainly not perfect. That said, they can have some valid place in endeavors to understand and gain realization.

Anumana, methods of material, empirical science, may support the evidence derived from sabda-pramana, though such methods never supplant, supersede or override sabda-pramana. With regard to attempts to understand Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance pastime, we may note with interest that the forensic science does strongly support and fortify Srila Prabhupada’s sabda-pramana.
A summary of such evidence from forensic science is found at-

https://justiceforsrilaprabhupadafoundation.org/.../Salie...

There, we hear authoritatively from Dr. Gandhi P.C. Kaza, Dr. D.M. Ravichand, and Dr. M. Narayan Reddy, their conclusion that the cause of Srila Prabhupada’s departure was deliberate, homicidal poisoning. Thus, evidence from fields including forensic toxicology, forensic audio analysis, and forensic medical diagnosis, support the primary evidence, Srila Prabhupada’s words, and establish the unavoidable conclusion that Srila Prabhupada was criminally poisoned.
For further analysis of Srila Prabhupada’s sabda-pramana, as the primary evidence in this case of the assassination by poisoning of Srila Prabhupada, we encourage you to listen to this podcast, hosted by Sitapati Prabhu on March 23, 2025.

Youtube- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZDH4EJDzI

Hare Krsna. Jaya Srila Prabhupada. Wishing you well in devotional life,
Respectfully,

Dhira Govinda dasa (David B. Wolf)

ISKCON Protects Pedophiles (T Dasi) 04 22 25

PADA: Wow pilgrims. Victims of abuse in ISKCON really have a tough ride ahead of them trying to expose their victimization. In many cases, or maybe most cases, children victims do not get support from their own parents, who do not report these crimes to the authorities. And in other cases (like this one) it is even worse, the parents are the perps. 

A number of parents were screaming at me when I helped the ISKCON children sue the GBC for $400,000,000, saying I was destroying "The Golden Body of ISKCON." Maybe so, but your not reporting these crimes is destroying these children, perhaps your own children. 

And many of these children were destroyed, some of them have PTSD, some of them died, and almost none of them participate in the religion now. As one devotee said, "the temples have almost none of the second generation even visiting once a year. They won't even come for festivals, they are gone, and gone for good. They feel they were exploited and they are not interested any more."  

But in any case, many victims do not get much support, are maligned, marginalized, made personna non grata, made out as enemies of ISKCON -- who are causing troubles etc. I know more than a few victims who tell me confidentially -- they were abused, but they have been afraid that if they speak up, the devotee community will shun and exile them. And generally their lives will be even more miserable. 

So there is evidently a lot of social pressure on victims to remain silent. Silence of victims means, the predators, pedophiles and perps see a field where they can exploit and there will be little or no repercussions. So it is a self defeating -- spiral down process -- to suppress complaints of victimization. It just creates more and more victims. And attracts more and more exploiters. 

Some of these victims are now mothers and even grand mothers, and they are STILL fearing speaking up -- fearing reprisals and being removed from the devotee community. One mother told me that if she exposed her abuse, then she would be removed from the community, and her kids would never be able to go to the temple etc. OK there is fear of reprisals for reporting abuse ongoing, and existing still today. 

So she has been hesitating from exposing her abuser, for decades. And thus her abuser still floats around the ISKCON society with no fear of facing any consequences. There is a lot of pressure on these types of victims to remain silent. 

Imagine being a child victim, knowing their own parents cannot report the child's abuse, or the child will lose access to ISKCON. This is not a healthy situation for anyone involved. Or imagine being a parent who was abused, and your kids know you are not reporting your own abuse -- even though you are now an adult -- so the kids can have "association with ISKCON." What kind of child feels safe in that environment? 

Anyway we said the guru has to be free of all material contamination. Many people are complaining ISKCON has become a magnet for pedos, and that is right. We become what we worship. Worship of pedos will produce an atmosphere where they are sympathized with and protected. I said that in 1979, Jayatirtha is having an affair, and Prabhupada says when the guru is having an affair -- it is the same as a father having s*x with his own daughter, so I told the GBC, this is pedo worship.

And it will make an atmoshere of protecting and attracting that process, and it has. The only good news is that more victims are finally coming out, albeit a little late in the game. They finally had enough of the conspiracy of silence. But this is a sign that things are not well at all in the ISKCON society, that people have to write public complaints because there is no internal system to rectify these things evidently.

Same type thing happened when we had hundreds of kids pulled out from being in ISKCON's schools in 1997. We helped create a mass pull out of kids from GBC schools by helping previous victims sue the GBC. 

But then people like IRM's Krishna Kant, Sanat, Mukunda, Prahlad, HKC Jaipur, Mathura Pati ilk all complained -- and even now complain -- that saving children from being beaten and raped is "destroying the golden body of ISKCON." It is amazing that there are people out there who think the anal reconstructive surgery epidemic process is the golden body of God. 

But these people do exist, but evidently only around ISKCON or similar abuse cults, because even the average Joe six pack karmis are agreeing with me -- kids need to be saved from this odious process. Anyway, long story short, unless all this is changed many people are not going to participate, or have their kids participate, in the Krishna religion. And that is cutting them off from being able to live in a safe place to worship God, which is very sinful. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

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PREDATOR ALERT.

TL: My father vraja-mohan (Nanda gokul) from Australia is a paedophile. I should know -- he did it to me. In not so many words he has admitted to this himself in a text msg. I personally have 2 friends in nz he either tried to or was successful with. And he tried it on another of my friends here. They are my age or just younger.

I have told him his karma is to not be around the temples and children. But due to the support of other devotees and elders at multiple temples here in murwillumbah he still goes. I am still not believed but their is no way I would risk exposing my children to him further let alone other children in our community. So I no longer go or take my kids.

My biggest fear was loosing my devotee family. I realised it happened anyway as a lot of those people I have know my whole life i consider my extended family. My God brothers and God sisters. And people I looked up to and thought of like aunties and uncles.

Due to me speaking up to my mum about the abuse that was happening in nz at gurukula to me, she took me to confront them. We then had to move. Fellow friends were specifically told to ignore me and pretend they didn't know me when I went to the temple. I was 7 or 8.

Now the same thing is happening again.

When I spoke up about my father. I'm not believed by many elders in our community. I've had enough so I am publicly outing him on social media. And their needs to be more done. In some countries a convicted paedophile even when they get out of jail are not allowed around schools n parks etc.

So why do we allow them at a temple where their is children. If the GBC think they should still be allowed to worship etc. How about a temple set up specifically for those people. Away from their victims and future potential victims.

I have told the police but I'm not mentally ready to replay my video in my head of what happened to me to make a fully step by step replay encounter to the police. I have told the police but they don't do anything until I fully take him to court.

All they did was send me the link n said come in when I was ready. The making a temple for them was scarcasm. Because the excuses I hear from devotees are things like:

We should show mercy

We shouldn't spread gossip and wag our tounges

The list goes on.

This post is because I have done what I am emotionally ready to do. The fact is it took a younger devotee to take over running the Sri Govinda Dham temple for him to be banned. The fact is the elders made out not to know when they did.

The fact is the ISKCON temple knows. But not one of them told him to leave and not come again. He has been multiple times in the last few months to the ISKCON temple. The elders running ISKCON, most of them know him. My parents were married on the ISKCON farm and lived on it as well.

My point it to share with more of the community to keep them safe. And to point out the backwards thinking of the temples I have dealt with, who some of the elders turn a blind eye or allow him to come n use religious reasoning.

Because at the end of the day the GBC is still getting it wrong. Also on top of the sexual abuse from my father lets not forget the other abuse I've already spoken out about that happened to me at the gurukul in Auckland nz.

Also every survivor needs to deal with their trauma in their way. Some never even speak up. Or go to report it but can't. And their needs to be a better system in place to defend the victims.

CD: I just want to say I totally understand what you're going through. I know how incredibly hard it is to go to the police because doing that means having to relive it, remember it in detail, and say it all out loud. That in itself is traumatic. You're doing what you're ready for, and that’s enough.

You’re right every survivor copes in their own way, and there’s no “right” timeline or method for healing or seeking justice. The fact that you’ve spoken up at all is powerful. You’re protecting others and breaking the silence that lets abuse hide.

It’s heartbreaking that people in spiritual communities who should lead with compassion and protection choose instead to “show mercy” to abusers while survivors are left isolated. That is not what mercy looks like. That’s enabling.

DD: Thank you and please continue to speak up. I speak about it even though I've never witnessed it and cannot give proof but I know by talking to others that over the past 40 years it has been very prevalent in our society just when everybody thought it had been nipped in the bud in the 70s we found out in the 80s it's even stronger now. 

They are just hiding it better that's all. Sometimes they get so arrogant they don't even try to hide it. Anyways glad you're speaking up but it would be nice to know where your father is right now? Is he in Australia now? And where did you move to? Another place in Australia?

TL: He still lives around murwillumbah

RC: Oh dear... So sorry to read about this. You are right claiming it and pointing it. You are potentially protecting a few children, if their parents accept to really be their children's protectors.

I'm surprised, my father (same kind of story) got kicked off the nsw govardhan community when they found out what he'd done. The families there were supportive of me, offering to take me in etc. It was the first time people were really concerned and acknowledged that he was not a normal person or "a good devotee". Things seem to have changed. Or maybe your father is their friend and thus they are in denial...

TL: Yes I went from Isckon to sri govinda dham and a lot of the devotees knew him from before. I was told by a close friend who was supposed to be my kids God mother to forgive him and have him in my life. And they let him live at their place. Others actively are always seen to be around them. Tell my I am "wagging my tounge".

Told I'm lying and I am crazy like my mother

Ive seen photos of elders associating with him etc and I'm sick of the issue being avoided. I rang crying saying my dads not allowed at the dham in uki. The elders I spoke to made out it was the first he heard of it. This was a yr n a half after I did. I'm sorry but I know for a fact a few people who had actually passed on this information directly to him n his wife.

It's also been told to alot of people from the isckon temple as well. It came out about my father in 2018. Its 2025. 7 years. N I've had enough. My son should know what the temples are. My son doesn't, his sister slightly does know what the temple is.

Yes their is some who believe but to many like to play dumb n hide their head in the sand instead of helping to fix a broken system. And I'm sick of religion and service being used as a excuse to keep certain people around.

PR: Brave of you to come forward with this, hope others will follow suit somehow. I always say, I reckon the one's we hear about are a tip of an iceberg, Hare Krsna.

RJ: soooo sad.

DL: My heart breaks for you! I pray speaking out brings healing and comfort.

TK: Very courageous of you.

PC: Your story is extremely sad and heart breaking. Religion and service should actually be a reason to keep abusers far out of temples and communities, UNLESS / UNTIL they get pardon and forgiveness FROM THOSE who've been offended.

It's nobody's business to interfere pushing victims about what to do. And an offender should humbly approach his / her victim, showing repentance and not asking for anything else. And even then, not take any prominent position anymore, what to say of teaching and leading.

Jagai-Madhai's story is crystal clear about this, and i'm just unable to understand why so many turn it the other way to favor abusers. You're brave to finally speak it out, i hope this is a step on to healing your wounds.

JD: Thank you for being brave enough to speak the truth. My own father is a pedophile and my elder brother did the same kind of abuse to me. I was immediately disowned by my biological family and extended devotee community for speaking up about it. I've often wanted to warm the devotee community about my father and brother, but was afraid I would be told that the truth is not appropriate to share. 

I have already dealt with death threats for speaking up in defense of a dear friend. Stay strong and continue being the brave protector that you are.

CD: Thank you for your courage in speaking out. It takes immense strength to share such painful truths, especially when so many choose to look away or protect the abuser. You are not alone, and your voice matters deeply. No one, especially children should ever be exposed to someone with a known history of abuse. 

Communities, especially spiritual ones, should be the safest places, not sanctuaries for predators. You’ve done the right thing by speaking out, even when it’s cost you so much. I stand with you. We must prioritize the safety and healing of survivors over the comfort and image of abusers. Enough is enough.

KM: He should be in jail! Call the police! The people at the temple supporting him are not your family! ISKCON is only concerned about making money and protecting their investment!

MA: Pedophiles are a plague.

SO: He has been asked to not come to the dham and hasn’t been back since.
Please come home to your temple bring the kids let me know I’ll be there to serve you.

TL: And I will be forever grateful for you making that happen n him be banned from the dham. X

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LIVING GURU HYPOCRISY

Another example of the same phenomenon at work involves the recently departed His Holiness Narayana Maharaja (“NM”) of the Gaudiya Matha. When he was physically present, his followers would enthusiastically promote the need to surrender to him because it was essential to hear directly from a “living” guru. For example, an article on their movement’s official website states:

“This hearing the recitation from a pure devotee means LIVE hearing. Sabda-brahma is only partially conveyed via the recorded medium. The recorded audio can impart meanings, concepts and might instil enthusiasm, but does not deliver that supremely magical transcendental sound vibration, sabda-brahma.” 

(http://backtobhakti.com/2010/05/the-dharmadvaji/, archived at https://www.iskconirm.com/.../backtobhakti18may2010.htm)

Sabda-brahma means the transcendental Vedic teachings:

“Sabda-brahma means Vedic literature.”

(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, 15/9/1976)

It is made clear that the power of the teaching is conveyed fully only through the physically moving lips of a physically present personality.

Recordings more than sufficient.

Now that NM has departed, we are told that there is absolutely no lack whatsoever in the recorded sound vibration conveyed by NM, and that on the contrary, this recorded sound vibration of this “non-living” guru allows us to receive his “transcendental presence” in “an even more intense way”:

“There are many ways to experience Srila Gurudeva’s transcendental, all-merciful presence at this crucial time. In my opinion, one of the most powerful ways is to hear his sound-files and see his videos. As we received solace, nourishment, knowledge, and Srila Gurudeva’s presence from these sound files and videos before, now we have the opportunity to receive all this in an even more intense way. For me, in my life, these sound-files and videos – there are thousands of them – have been the difference between day and night, life and death.”

(Jadurani Dasi, promoting NM’s lectures and videos folllowing his departure, 5/1/2011)

A similar situation exists also with HH Gaura Govinda Swami (“GGS”). He stated one cannot rely on books or tapes, but instead one must hear directly only from a physically present person:

“You may say, “Oh I have read their books; I have their association.” That won’t help you. […] You cannot understand what they have said merely by reading their books. Your consciousness is very low, so you cannot understand their words.”

(GGS, The Process of Inquiry, ch. 6)

“Sabda-brahma will never descend through a tape. One must hear from a physically present Sri Guru.”

(GGS, ‘Q&A’, The Worship of Sri Guru, ch. 3)

Yet following his departure, his followers have been enthusiastically distributing his books and tapes!

So books and tapes are only insufficient if Srila Prabhupada happens to be in the picture. If it’s someone trying to take his place, then, magically, they suddenly become sufficient!

Conclusion

It is one thing to put forward a false philosophy. It is quite another to then also oppose that same philosophy due to convenience and personal consideration. When this is done one’s false philosophy can easily be defeated by simply using one’s own contradictory arguments against oneself. Thus, the “living guru” philosophy is shown to be so bogus that even its own promoters are unable to follow it! Clearly, it is nothing more than a cynical ploy invented solely for the purpose of trying to take Srila Prabhupada’s transcendental position.
Hence Srila Prabhupada’s phy-sical absence does not prevent him from transmitting transcendental knowledge to us, anymore than the physical absence of his would-be substitutes prevents them from doing so!