Carving up the world- by Sudama das
Sudama Brahmin And The Takeover
BY RAMACANDRA DAS
This is a story which had its beginnings many many years ago. It was told to me by Sudama prabhu who left the planet in 1995. His leaving was most auspicious with devotees having 24 hour kirtan. Garlands and Tulasi were placed upon his body and he left to the chanting of the Holy Name. Immediately upon his departure, an unknown Indian brahmin came into the room, looked around, and then left. (It is said that if someone leaves their body and an unknown brahmin comes to the room, then that person has gone back home to Godhead.)
I was Sudama Maharaja's personal servant off-and-on in NYC for five months in 1975, and I later served him in Badger, CA for two months before he left his body. During that time, Sudama prabhu revealed to me something very intensely shocking and distressful.
We were talking about ISKCON in general, and after some time I then told Sudama prabhu about a conversation that I had with Satsvarupa Maharaj. I explained that I told Satsvarupa Maharaj at one point that I felt Srila Prabupada was my spiritual master. (I joined the movement in 1975, got the opportunity to see Srila Prabhupada, and I felt a very strong spiritual connection with Srila Prabhupada. I was amongst the second group of disciples to take initiation from Satsvarupa Maharaj in 1978.) Sudama asked me why it was I didn't get initiated by Srila Prabhupada even though I was supposed to. After giving Sudama prabhu my explanation, he angrily answered, (referring to Satsvarupa Maharaj), "He's no guru anyway." Then he went into the explanation of why he did not feel that Satsvarupa is a guru.
Sudama prabhu revealed to me that the day before Srila Prabhupada departed from us, all of the ISKCON leaders, including Satsvarupa Maharaj, the other original ISKCON gurus and other leaders met together to discuss how to divide up the world. Sudama prabhu told me that Tamal Krsna Maharaj and another sanyasi - whose name I cannot remember - approached him and said, "There is going to be a meeting in which we are going to divide up the world. Don't go anywhere, you should be there." (This was the exact statement used.)
Sudama prabhu attended the meeting horrified at what he was hearing. Tamal Krsna started off asking who wants to be guru. Sudama explained that there was some hesitation and then Romesvara answered, "I do, I do." Others raised their hands also. Sudama was shocked. Sudama was then told, "We'll give you Japan and make you a guru later." Sudama prabhu completely horrified asked, "Srila Prabhupada hasn't even left the planet yet. How can you be even thinking like this?" Sudama prabhu went on to say, (speaking to his Godbrothers), "I would rather bloop and falldown then to commit the sins that you are about to commit." (These were Sudama prabhu's EXACT words to them as he himself told me.)
After the meeting, when it was concluded who was to be guru, Sudama prabhu, (who explained that he was present throughout the whole meeting), said that Satsvarupa Maharaj then addressed the assembly: "Before we go back, we had better conclude on one story to tell all of the devotees. The devotees are very smart, and if we have different stories, they will know something is wrong."
Satsvarupa Maharaj along with Tamal Krsna then put together the story that these leaders would tell the devotees. Satsvarupa Maharaj wrote it all down and he and Tamal conferred back and forth with the other leaders in terms of answering all questions to make sure that there were no "loopholes" - the EXACT word used by Sudama prabhu - in the story, and that nothing could go wrong.
Sudama prabhu stayed on to the next day when Srila Prabhupada actually left. (This was the day immediately after the meeting in which our GBC leaders divided up the world.) After Srila Prabhupad left the planet, Sudama prabhu immediately left the movement, knowing what had transpired in that meeting, and the material ambition and visciousness of these men. He could forsee the destruction of the movement.
The assembled Vaisnavas may be wondering why it is that I never came forth with this information at an earlier date and am now speaking this out. The reason why I did not speak up earlier was because of how our guru and GBC leaders have so much indoctrinated the devotees that I did not think that anyone would accept this truth. I also have never used a computer before, and had no opportunity to be able to get this information out. I am also seeing that the situation in ISKCON has become so bad that I am feeling COMPELLED to speak out with this truth. I feel it is my duty to bring out this truth which was given to me by Sudama prabhu, for the devotees to hear it, whether they choose to believe it or not.
Your servant,
Ramacandra Das
KB: ISKON has not become bad it is demonic attitude of livientity that has made situation bad to worse.
MD: Thank you for posting this. One thing that I can honestly say is this: I never fell for it, not even for a second. But this is kali yuga with those who have, and are cheating, and those poor souls that are being cheated. It is a sin to cheat devotees in their precious spiritual life. I don't know how it's going to look for those who have and are cheating. What sane person would ever want to eclipse a pure devotee from krsnaloka by creating his own pranam mantra? Srila Prabhupada never gave these instructions for this. All of this is an offence. And people are so unfortunate that they cannot see and understand this.
DS: Yes, I was at the Potomac temple when Rupanuga came back from the 1978 GBC meetings and announced the nonsense. I was sitting behind the majority of the assembled devotees and could observe the reaction. I couldn't believe that most seemed to be "Buying" the fiction I also had strong premonitions of eventual fratricide.
KM: See, whatever has happened, happened. Don't worry about those things. ISKCON is still useful and working fine at least for outsiders like me...we don't need any management issues...you good people sort it out... for us all we want is unadulterated knowledge and behaviour from the management
MD: That's why it appears that it is working fine, because of being outside and not being and dealing with the absurdities that are sometimes allowed to go on. You are disconnected from the unfortunate things that are happening because of being outside, and that's why it appears to be doing fine. Not seeing it, how some of the poor, simple devotees who are being cheated, are doing
AD: Totally shocking. Now I feel bad for these young generation pure innocent souls who are misguided by from where you suppose to get true guidance.
MA: This revelation kind of supports the poisoning claims, doesn't it? I'm left wondering if Sudama wasn't actually assassinated.
KM: See, we have come here to serve God, if somebody is not doing their work properly or he is not true Gurus, we're not bothered about it. Our true Guruji is Srila Prabhupad, we're getting knowledge directly from him. We don't need these intermediate Gurus...let them enjoy if they want to act like one... we're not bothered by their whims, but we feel pity for their ignorance and laugh. There is nothing to get distracted.
We can't trust anyone or we can't change anybody. Our motto is to change ourselves better first... Krishna is seeing everything and everyone by sitting as a soul in our hearts... Krishna is nothing but our soul only. There is no duality in this nature. Advaitam is the real and true concept in this world...we and God are the same being...but we're only this small part of God, while God is whole, the entire universe everywhere and everything. Let's use our knowledge and direction to see inward instead of searching outwardly in these Gurus and ISKCON labs because God is their inside us only as a Soul.
Sudama Brahmin And The Takeover
BY RAMACANDRA DAS
This is a story which had its beginnings many many years ago. It was told to me by Sudama prabhu who left the planet in 1995. His leaving was most auspicious with devotees having 24 hour kirtan. Garlands and Tulasi were placed upon his body and he left to the chanting of the Holy Name. Immediately upon his departure, an unknown Indian brahmin came into the room, looked around, and then left. (It is said that if someone leaves their body and an unknown brahmin comes to the room, then that person has gone back home to Godhead.)
I was Sudama Maharaja's personal servant off-and-on in NYC for five months in 1975, and I later served him in Badger, CA for two months before he left his body. During that time, Sudama prabhu revealed to me something very intensely shocking and distressful.
We were talking about ISKCON in general, and after some time I then told Sudama prabhu about a conversation that I had with Satsvarupa Maharaj. I explained that I told Satsvarupa Maharaj at one point that I felt Srila Prabupada was my spiritual master. (I joined the movement in 1975, got the opportunity to see Srila Prabhupada, and I felt a very strong spiritual connection with Srila Prabhupada. I was amongst the second group of disciples to take initiation from Satsvarupa Maharaj in 1978.) Sudama asked me why it was I didn't get initiated by Srila Prabhupada even though I was supposed to. After giving Sudama prabhu my explanation, he angrily answered, (referring to Satsvarupa Maharaj), "He's no guru anyway." Then he went into the explanation of why he did not feel that Satsvarupa is a guru.
Sudama prabhu revealed to me that the day before Srila Prabhupada departed from us, all of the ISKCON leaders, including Satsvarupa Maharaj, the other original ISKCON gurus and other leaders met together to discuss how to divide up the world. Sudama prabhu told me that Tamal Krsna Maharaj and another sanyasi - whose name I cannot remember - approached him and said, "There is going to be a meeting in which we are going to divide up the world. Don't go anywhere, you should be there." (This was the exact statement used.)
Sudama prabhu attended the meeting horrified at what he was hearing. Tamal Krsna started off asking who wants to be guru. Sudama explained that there was some hesitation and then Romesvara answered, "I do, I do." Others raised their hands also. Sudama was shocked. Sudama was then told, "We'll give you Japan and make you a guru later." Sudama prabhu completely horrified asked, "Srila Prabhupada hasn't even left the planet yet. How can you be even thinking like this?" Sudama prabhu went on to say, (speaking to his Godbrothers), "I would rather bloop and falldown then to commit the sins that you are about to commit." (These were Sudama prabhu's EXACT words to them as he himself told me.)
After the meeting, when it was concluded who was to be guru, Sudama prabhu, (who explained that he was present throughout the whole meeting), said that Satsvarupa Maharaj then addressed the assembly: "Before we go back, we had better conclude on one story to tell all of the devotees. The devotees are very smart, and if we have different stories, they will know something is wrong."
Satsvarupa Maharaj along with Tamal Krsna then put together the story that these leaders would tell the devotees. Satsvarupa Maharaj wrote it all down and he and Tamal conferred back and forth with the other leaders in terms of answering all questions to make sure that there were no "loopholes" - the EXACT word used by Sudama prabhu - in the story, and that nothing could go wrong.
Sudama prabhu stayed on to the next day when Srila Prabhupada actually left. (This was the day immediately after the meeting in which our GBC leaders divided up the world.) After Srila Prabhupad left the planet, Sudama prabhu immediately left the movement, knowing what had transpired in that meeting, and the material ambition and visciousness of these men. He could forsee the destruction of the movement.
The assembled Vaisnavas may be wondering why it is that I never came forth with this information at an earlier date and am now speaking this out. The reason why I did not speak up earlier was because of how our guru and GBC leaders have so much indoctrinated the devotees that I did not think that anyone would accept this truth. I also have never used a computer before, and had no opportunity to be able to get this information out. I am also seeing that the situation in ISKCON has become so bad that I am feeling COMPELLED to speak out with this truth. I feel it is my duty to bring out this truth which was given to me by Sudama prabhu, for the devotees to hear it, whether they choose to believe it or not.
Your servant,
Ramacandra Das
KB: ISKON has not become bad it is demonic attitude of livientity that has made situation bad to worse.
MD: Thank you for posting this. One thing that I can honestly say is this: I never fell for it, not even for a second. But this is kali yuga with those who have, and are cheating, and those poor souls that are being cheated. It is a sin to cheat devotees in their precious spiritual life. I don't know how it's going to look for those who have and are cheating. What sane person would ever want to eclipse a pure devotee from krsnaloka by creating his own pranam mantra? Srila Prabhupada never gave these instructions for this. All of this is an offence. And people are so unfortunate that they cannot see and understand this.
DS: Yes, I was at the Potomac temple when Rupanuga came back from the 1978 GBC meetings and announced the nonsense. I was sitting behind the majority of the assembled devotees and could observe the reaction. I couldn't believe that most seemed to be "Buying" the fiction I also had strong premonitions of eventual fratricide.
KM: See, whatever has happened, happened. Don't worry about those things. ISKCON is still useful and working fine at least for outsiders like me...we don't need any management issues...you good people sort it out... for us all we want is unadulterated knowledge and behaviour from the management
MD: That's why it appears that it is working fine, because of being outside and not being and dealing with the absurdities that are sometimes allowed to go on. You are disconnected from the unfortunate things that are happening because of being outside, and that's why it appears to be doing fine. Not seeing it, how some of the poor, simple devotees who are being cheated, are doing
AD: Totally shocking. Now I feel bad for these young generation pure innocent souls who are misguided by from where you suppose to get true guidance.
MA: This revelation kind of supports the poisoning claims, doesn't it? I'm left wondering if Sudama wasn't actually assassinated.
KM: See, we have come here to serve God, if somebody is not doing their work properly or he is not true Gurus, we're not bothered about it. Our true Guruji is Srila Prabhupad, we're getting knowledge directly from him. We don't need these intermediate Gurus...let them enjoy if they want to act like one... we're not bothered by their whims, but we feel pity for their ignorance and laugh. There is nothing to get distracted.
We can't trust anyone or we can't change anybody. Our motto is to change ourselves better first... Krishna is seeing everything and everyone by sitting as a soul in our hearts... Krishna is nothing but our soul only. There is no duality in this nature. Advaitam is the real and true concept in this world...we and God are the same being...but we're only this small part of God, while God is whole, the entire universe everywhere and everything. Let's use our knowledge and direction to see inward instead of searching outwardly in these Gurus and ISKCON labs because God is their inside us only as a Soul.
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