Srila Prabhupada defeats the Hitler-anugas

Crow consciousness?

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-hitler-prajalpa-program-update.html


PADA: Looking at a few quotes we can find below that Srila Prabhupada clearly criticized Hitler in at many places. We can see that his many quotes criticizing Hitler are much much greater than allegedly supporting Hitler.

"So asura, to kill the asuras, however powerful they may be... We have seen. There were so many asuras in this world. There was Lenin, there was Stalin, there was Hitler, there was Hiraṇyakaśipu. So many. But they could not survive. It is not possible. They'll be finished. So asuras, to kill them ... Paritranaya sadhun..., vinasaya...(BG 4.8) To kill the duskrtam, these asuras, Krishna does not require to come. He comes only to give protection and pleasure to the devotees. That is his aim."

(Lecture on SB 1.8.20 -- Mayapura, September 30, 1974)

[PADA: Right, the first proposal is that Hitler is a demon, an asura. Why do the Hitler prajalpa people meditate on the demons, and they want the entire human society to do the same? What good is being accomplished by meditation on the asuras and demons? Glorifying the demons, ooops, that is also what the bogus GBC's false gurus do? They glorify people unworthy of such praise. 

Hitler also lost the battle, whatever it was he set out to accomplish ... failed. And he apparently died from his own hand in a suicide in a bunker, self-evidently afraid to come out and fight on his own. What kind of example is this for human society to follow? We all need to all sit around in a bunker and not bother fighting ourselves, while we "manage" innocent hundreds of thousands of others to fight for us, and they are suffering and dying while we are living like kings? OK like Hitler does? 

Srila Prabhupada says a leader sitting in a bunker is Kali Yuga and demoniac, the leader or King should put his own life on the line first. Yep. This is also what the false GBC's gurus do, they sit around in their offices and get their goons to come out to confront us "dissenters" on the sidewalk. Again, whatever the GBC's bogus gurus are doing, the Hitler-anugas think this is the right path for all society? What is the difference between the demons like Kamsa, who sends out various goons to fight on his behalf -- because he is too cowardly and frightened to go himself; and the Hitler-anuga's process? Hitler is also a guy who also gets various goons to fight on his behalf? And why do the Hitler-anugas glorify this mentality?     

Srila Prabhupada ALSO says it is very sinful just to look at the cover of "Time" magazine, because there are often photos of these mundane politicians on the cover -- and its sinful just to see their faces. The Hitler-anugas promote and post photos of Hitler all over the place, while Srila Prabhupada says it is sinful just to see these types of people, meditate on their photos, and hear the words of such mundane men. 

Why are the Hitler-anugas trying to drag the entire world down into their sinful activity of meditation on the demons and their photos? Srila Prabhupada says it is sinful, the Hitler-anugas think its wonderful, who is right? Did we forget to mention the GBC's false gurus also want people to meditate on the photos of their mundane men gurus? Birds of a feather?] 

"To the atheists who are guided by the animal qualities of passion and ignorance, physically powerful men like ... Ravana, Meghnad, Jarasandha, Hitler, Mussolini, etc. are considered as Mahajans. (Srila Prabhupada)

[PADA: Hitler is being compared to the likes of "demons" of past and current times, such as Ravan, Mussolini, Jarasandha etc. Demons ALL have one thing in common, they are always exploiters of others. Sometimes they are sexual predators. For sure they are opposed to Krishna. Also notice, the asuras are controlled by the darkest modes of nature, the animal-like qualities of passion and ignorance. To sum up, the demons are controlled by the darkest natures of rajas and tamas guna, passion and ignorance, or worse -- animal consciousness. This is the direction we need to steer the human society into?

Why do these Hitler-anugas mediate on darkness, tamasic guna and animal consciousness, and they want others to do same? What is the benefit of absorbing oneself in animal consciousness, which leads one to a next birth as an animal? And if the mega-asuras are responsible for death and suffering of many others, then they are people who are going to the lowest regions of the universe, worse than the regular man on the street. Why would we mediate on such low class hell-bound persons? And why would we mix up the Vedas as allegedly supportive of these hell-bound individuals? People who cause massive suffering for others, oh I almost forgot, just like the GBC's false gurus, are the people we need to glorify. That will fix things! 

As Srila Prabhupada says, a leader accepts the karma for the collective actions and reactions of all the citizen he is affecting, and if he is overseeing mass death and destruction, he will have to suffer millions of future lives to pay back the suffering he generated for millions of others. Why would we meditate on people who are going to suffer millions of future births for creating suffering for masses of other living beings? And this is the path to success? For whom? And what is the difference between these asuras causing people to suffer, and the GBC's false gurus causing people to suffer, aren't they ALL peas in a PADA?]

"The whole history of the world, you just study, is a history of sense gratification. Just take, for example, some twenty years ago one Mr. Adolf Hitler came in the scene, and there was great upheaval as war in Europe and America. From 1933 to 1947 or something like that, the whole world was in trouble. But he is gone, finished. And what did he do? Sense gratification, that's all."

(Bhagavad-gita Lecture 3.6-10. Los Angeles. 68-12-23)

[PADA: Right, Hitler created a major upheaval, and subsequent mass suffering for millions. Many died, not just from the howitzers, bullets, bombs, missiles etc., but also many hundreds of thousands of people were starving because the food and water supply system was upset and so on. Many also could not get proper water, electricity and basic food supplies for their babies and etc. Houses, apartments, hospitals, churches and schools were bombed, vehicles, roads and bridges were destroyed and so on. 

In sum many people could not eat, their babies could not eat, their farm animals were starving, and the Hitler-anugas think this is a great path forward for humanity to follow? So this is why Srila Prabhupada says the asuras love to create horrible things, like atom bombs and wars that kill and destroy life, and devastates human society. Yep. "The whole world was in trouble," and that is the nature of the demons, they love to create trouble for the whole world. And some say the ISKCON GBC's gurus have done the same type thing, they created troubles all over the world for the sincere devotees, which means suffering for all of human society which is then affected. 

Why do these Hitler-anugas think this path is the way forward for the world? 

Lets not forget how badly many millions of animals suffered, they were also being bombed and because their system of care-takers and food and supplies was also blocked and so forth. This will make the world a better place, to have more of this suffering and death agenda?]

"No, the greater power is Krsna. If you take shelter of Krsna, they cannot do anything. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, he was a five years old boy. He took shelter of Krsna and his father was a great demon, very powerful. He wanted to chastise his boy. He could not. This is the proof. So you take shelter. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, aham tvam sarva-pape... [Bg. 18.66]. "I give you protection." 

"So people have no faith although He's God. He thinks God is less powerful than Hitler. That is his nonsense. If he takes actually shelter of Krsna, what this rascal, Hitler, can do? But he has no faith in God. He thinks Prabhu Hitler is greater than Lord. Prabhu Hitler. That is the difference between the crows and the swans. The crows think that we have got food in the garbage. And the swans think that we have got food in nice garden, in the clear water. And that is difference even in the birds kingdom."

(Room Conversation with Dr. Christian Hauser, Psychiatrist. Stockholm. 73-09-10)

[PADA: Hah hah, right, the Hitler-anugas are compared to dirty filthy minded crows, simply eating garbage, talking garbage, promoting garbage etc. Nice summary! So the swans will mediate on Krishna and the crows will mediate on their neo-Nazi garbage, and that is seen even in the bird kingdom. Right! So this is very amazing, the Hitler-anugas are simply of the same mentality as garbage minded crows. And of course, that is also why they are making things harder for some of the sincere devotees by mixing up their asura consciousness, animal consciousness, modes of darkness, asura-loving death and destruction program -- with the Vedas.]

"Just like in your Western countries there was Napoleon, there was Hitler, there was Mussolini, here also, big, big leaders, but what they are? Big, big servants of the senses, that's all. Big, big servants of the senses. Therefore Bhagavata has said, sva-vid-varahosttra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuḥ (SB 2.3.19). Purusah pasuḥ: "These big, big leaders are big, big animals, that's all." Samstutah purusah pasuḥ. So there are many instructive verses in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Therefore Srimad-Bhagavatam should be your life and soul to remain constantly in Krsna consciousness, yes, the unique gift of Sri Vyasadeva.

(Lecture SB 07.09.40 MAYAPUR - March 18, 1976)

[PADA: Again, purusah pasuh, human bodies who are really thinking like big animals. And mediation on animals takes one to birth as an animal ... we become what we mediate on. So the Hitler-anugas are trying to drag the whole world to their level, and take everyone to hell -- to become "big animals" in this life and the next, by meditation on such big animals. So that means, they are already animals because that is what they meditate on. Why are they trying to get the mass of people to meditate on big animals? Srila Prabhupada explains that too: Because the asuras want to degrade the entire human society, and take them down to their level.]

"An example can help us to understand the inconceivable potency of the Supreme Lord. In the recent history of warfare the Supreme Personality of Godhead created a Hitler and, before that, a Napoleon Bonaparte, and they each killed many living entities in war. But in the end Bonaparte and Hitler were also killed. People are still very much interested in writing and reading books about Hitler and Bonaparte and how they killed so many people in war. 

Year after year many books are published for public reading regarding Hitler's killing thousands of Jews in confinement. But no one is researching who killed Hitler and who created such a gigantic killer of human beings. The devotees of the Lord are not much interested in the study of the flickering history of the world. They are interested only in Him who is the original creator, maintainer and annihilator. That is the purpose of the Krsna consciousness movement."

(Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.11.9 Purport)

[PADA: Devotees have no interest in these topics. OK, that means the non-devotees do! Of course!]

"..defect of the modern politicians. Here at the present moment, their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he's successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Cāṇakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Lord Rāmacandra. That is difference. 

Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man... Without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that "Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass." Consistency. You must change. ()

Now we have got our great personalities, leaders. They are praised, eulogized, our, these political leaders. "Our Hitler," "Our Gandhi," "Our Churchill," "Our Nixon." But sastra says these leaders, those who are not spiritual leaders, those who cannot give our life, they are worshiped by these classes of animals, animals. These so-called leaders, politicians, they are eulogized very much by whom? By these class of men: dogs, camels, asses and.." (Srila Prabhupada)

[PADA: Right, perhaps the real reason the Hitler-anugas like Hitler so much, he is a crooked man. Not honest, using deceit, using lies, using manipulation of innocent people. Hansadutta used to yell in the Berkeley temple "tell a lie so big: no one would believe a person would make up such a lie, its too big to doubt," as he was quoting Hitler's writer Mr. Goebbels. How has his thinking helped ISKCON, or even himself? 

Again the Hitler-anugas think just like the bogus GBC's gurus, lets lie and cheat the mass of public. And then what? One goes down, and takes birth among -- spiders, snakes, dogs, camels and asses. Why is this the way forward for human society? So its clear, Srila Prabhupada says these Hitler-anuga conscious people are like hogs, dogs, camels, asses, they are humans in animal consciousness. 

Of course bodily identification, as a Hitler-ite, or whatever it is, this is also called animal consciousness, to identify with a particular race or body is called illusion and ignorance. One Jewish lady was in a conversation with one of these people and she said, "You are more bodily conscious than I ever will be, I never discuss people's race and religions." She defeated them.]  

Disciple: Nietzsche believed that everyone has a “will to power,” but that the weak seek power vainly. For instance, in his will to power, Hitler sought to subjugate as much of the world as possible, but he was ultimately unsuccessful, and he brought disaster upon himself and Germany. Instead of trying to conquer himself, he attempted to conquer others, and this is the "will to power" misdirected or misinterpreted. 

Srila Prabhupada: Men like Hitler are not able to control the force of anger. A king or national leader has to use anger properly. Narottama Dasa Thakura says that we should control our powers and apply them in the proper cases. We may become angry, but our anger must be controlled.

(Beyond Illusion and Doubt. 12. Nietzsche)

[PADA: Yep, lust, anger and greed are the three gates to hell. Hey lets meditate on -- the people who are on their way there? And what is the result even now in this life, "he brought disaster to himself and Germany." Great, lets follow the people who bring about disaster to themselves and destroy their own homeland and the people therein. Sounds like a winner package! Again, Hitler and the GBC's gurus are credited with mass destruction, why is this the winning ideal?]

Prabhupada: Well, foolish men cannot accept any logic. Their logic is stick. "If you don't accept, I shall kick on your face. Accept it." That is the... That is wanted.

Karandhara: Like the example when Hitler killed the Jews. They will say, "Well, what should we do, just let Hitler go on killing the Jews because the Jews were sinful? Or should we try and stop Hitler?"

Prabhupada: Well, Hitler was imperfect and everything was imperfect. That you cannot compare Hitler's action with God's action. God is all-perfect. That is first proposition. God is all-perfect.

(Morning Walk. Los Angeles 73-12-16)

"Just like in the history of the world there were so many big, big men - Hitler, Napoleon, this Churchill, Gandhi, Nehru. But all their powers, position, in one minute it becomes vanquished. There is no question... They are so proud, they do not believe in God, but when the death comes, they cannot argue anything. 

The death orders, "Immediately vacate"—finished. You have to vacate. At that time their power, opulence, position—nothing can help. So Kṛṣṇa says, therefore... The atheist class of men who do not believe in God, decry the authority of God, for them... Of course, everyone dies, but for them, mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham (BG 10.34): Kṛṣṇa comes as death and takes away everything in their possession. But foolish persons, they do not see, still. 

God says, Kṛṣṇa says, that "This death I am." Still they'll not. And it is a fact. When Kṛṣṇa comes as death, as Hiraṇyakaśipu... He was atheist, did not believe in God, but when God, Nṛsiṁha-deva came, then he was vanquished, everything, within a second. Nirastaḥ. Sa tu te nirastaḥ.

(Lecture SB 07.09.23 Mayapur- March 01, 1976)

Prabhupada: Is that rational, that another living entity like me should be killed for my benefit, for satisfying my tongue?
Syamasundara: Their idea is that the animal is not in the same category as myself because it has no...
Prabhupada: So that's alright; then might is right? Hitler is right? When Hitler, Hitler kills the Jews, he's right? He thinks that they are not in my category.
Syamasundara: The animal cannot understand philosophy.
Prabhupada: What does he understand of philosophy? He is mad; he is less than an animal. He does not understand philosophy. He does not know that the animal has also a soul, the animal has also life. Then he should be killed first.

(Dialectical Spirtualism - Hegel)

[PADA: Again, Hitler is a mad man, and the GBC's gurus are mainly mad men, its the same agenda. And they both think "might is right." So Hitler thinks we can kill others who are not in our race, religion or category, this is called illusion. In any case, Hitler is LESS THAN ANIMAL. So again, the Hitler-anugas want to drag the human society to LESS THAN ANIMAL consciousness, because that is where they live. Why do we want to glorify -- less than animals, unless we are less than animals ourselves?]

"This nationalism, this nationalism also the same mistake, but they are fighting so much. Great, great, big, big men. In this country, Napoleon fought. In Germany, Hitler fought. And so many others, in our country Gandhi fought. But he is in ignorance. All these big big leaders, they are ignorance, andha, blind. Blind. They do not know that he is not this body and neither this land belongs to him. But they fight. The whole history of the world means this mistaken idea. "I" and "mine." Therefore Krsna says, yat taj jnanam. Ksetra-ksetrajnayor yat taj-jnanam matam mama. Krsna is giving, that one should know what he is and one should know what is his body, then he is in knowledge. The matter cannot understand this. The dogs, cats, cannot understand this. But a human being can understand this. Bhagavad-gita is meant for the human being, not for the cats and dogs. Therefore, the human society should take care of this knowledge. Then his life will be successful.(Lecture on BG 13.3 -- Paris, August 11, 1973)

[PADA: Well there you have it: the blind leading the blind; creating troubles for the entire world; demons, asuras, hogs, dogs, camels, asses, modes of darkness, cannot control anger; killing others because they are not of the same bodily identity, and so on and so forth. This is not the agenda that Krishna supports, plain and simple. ys pd]  

Long Island ISKCON vs GBC Court Case (Update)

[PADA: Here we go again. 

(A) The GBC is suing the Long Island ISKCON temple, all because they are not surrendered to the Bharati Society of Brooklyn, which is supposedly a division managed by the ISKCON GBC. 

(B) OK, but according to the GBC, the Bharati Society is not surrendered to the GBC? 

(C) Hence, the GBC has taken the Bharati Society to court to complain that they are not surrendered to the GBC? 

(D) Bharati Society has meanwhile hired private security goondas to guard the gates of the Brooklyn temple, to make sure the GBC does not enter there.

(E) Thus! Long Island temple needs to surrender to the GBC, by surrendering to the Bharati Society, the same people who are hiring guards to keep out the GBC. 

Got that already? 

And what is the purpose of all these legal suits in the first place? Well its all about feeding lawyers so they will have nice Mercedes, what else? Meanwhile the GBC first wrote that Hrdayananda is not surrendered to the GBC, now they have made him a GBC? In any case, PADA always wonders, why not just go to these courts and ask, hey, these GBC folks are saying that gurus, acharyas and in sum God's Jesus - like successors -- are often engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. Does this court want to rule in favor of this party? Isn't teaching this corrupting the morals of minors and etc.? Hee hee! ys pd]  

The Long Island Court Case - Update
Dec 15, 2017, NY

The Appellate Court of NY State, on December 4, 2017, gave a Stay on the recent order of Judge Marber from the NY Trial court, that had ordered the transfer of the Long Island temple and the control of ISKCON, Inc., Srila Prabhupada's original society incorporated in NY in 1966, to the ISKCON GBC.

The stay was requested by the Defendant Nimai Pandit Das, TP of ISKCON Long Island temple and non-party necessary parties - The Congregation and the Trustee board of the Temple - collectively called Appellants. The Respondents are the ISKCON GBC and Adarsi Das, old TP of the temple. The stay is for the duration of the pending appeal in the Appellate court - usually around 1-1.5 years.

The basis of asking for stay, and presumably the basis for their eventual appeal, the Appellants argued that:

The order of Judge Marber was in error as:

a. After 13 years of litigation, instead of holding a trial, it issued a faulty default judgment against Nimai Pandit, and on that basis it extended the default on all the other trustees and on all congregation members - thereby rendering moot their right to defend their rights in a trial. (A default in this context means that the Defendant Nimai Pandit failed to file an answer, back in 2011, to the GBC Complaint hence technically allegedly he did not appear in this case and hence all of the Issues raised by the Plaintiffs GBC ought then to be decided without contest. It is akin to a walk over in a sports analogy. "A walkover or W.O. is the awarding of a victory to a contestant because there are no other contestants or the other contestants have been disqualified or have forfeited. 

The term can apply in sport but also to elections, when it is also referred to as winning "by default". ) Hence the trumpeting of the ISKCON Communication Ministry in this article , as to the powers of the GBC as "decided" by a NY court, ought to be taken in this context.

b. Instead of issuing a default judgment against Nimai Pandit, the court ought to have dismissed GBC's case, as the NY law states that if a defendant is in default, and the plaintiffs do not bring in an action to the court to issue a Default Judgment within a year, then the Court shall on its own initiative or on motion [by the Plaintiffs] dismiss the case of the Plaintiffs. NY CPLR 3215 (c). The alleged default took place in 2012, many years since.

c. The GBC ought to have impleaded (included) the other necessary parties in the case - The Trustees and the Congregation Members when their rights would be potentially effected by any judgment in this case- as the GBC, in their complaint has asked the Court to decide on the matter of Bylaws, GBC, Elections, Rights of members etc - all matters concerning these two main constituents of a NY temple. 

Hence the NY law advises dismissal for not impleading necessary parties in most scenarios. NY CPLR 1001. It is axiomatic that if a potential order like Judge Marber that effects all these persons, not just Nimai Pandit, they ought to have been included in the case by the Plaintiffs, so that these parties could bring up their defense in court. It is not an individual's duty to come forward and ask to be sued. It is the duty of the person suing to include all the right parties - in this case GBC ought to have sued the temple corporation and its trustees and members. Instead they sued just a few members / trustees - now only one remaining defendant is Nimai Pandit Das.

d. There will be inordinate harm to the devotees at the temple if this order is allowed to be executed while their Appeal is pending with the court - as they would have to give up the temple to the GBC for the 1 -1.5 years while the Appeal would be most probably decided in their favor.

In their reply on November 17th, 2017, the Respondent GBC had replied to the Appellate court that the stay ought not to be granted as:

a. The Default of Nimai Pandit was correct as per them.

b. The time delay in asking for a default judgment within 1 year was justified - no good reason given except they were litigating the case. (Wrong - they were litigating another related case and had forgotten about this case).

c. The case against them should not be dismissed due to not moving for default judgment within a year, as they did not abandon the case and continued litigating it (Wrong - they were litigating another related case and had forgotten about this case).

d. The other necessary parties - Trustees and the Congregation members - should have asked to appear in the case earlier, on their own, even though the law is the opposite - the GBC should have impleaded these necessary parties.
e. In case the court grants the stay, to ask for a financial undertaking also known as Appeal bond equal to the property value of the temple.

The Appellate court, comprising of four judges, in issuing the brief order (attached) granting the stay as per the request of Appellant, without any undertaking. In effect all what the Appellants asked for. It also asked the Appellant to file their Appeal papers by January 4th, presumably to shepherd an early resolution to the case.

Most likely the Respondents will then get a month to reply. Appellants should normally get another 2 weeks to respond. The oral arguments would most likely be scheduled for sometime later this autumn with a result around two months subsequent. If either party decides to appeal that verdict, they can then choose to appeal in the NY Court of Appeals, the highest court in NY where it may take another six months to a year.

Appellant Nimai Pandit is represented by the Law Offices of G.Oliver Koppell, 99 Park Ave #3, New York, NY 10016. He is an ex-Attorney General of the State of NY.

Appellant Long Island temple, Trustees and congregation are represented by long time faithful of the temple - Krishnan Chittur of Chittur Law Offices, Ossining NY.

Respondent GBC is represented by John Stepanovich of Stepanovich Law, Nanuet NY. He is certified as a Life Member of the Million Dollar and Multi Million Dollar Advocates Forum, one of the most prestigious groups of trial lawyers in the United States. Fewer than 1% of U.S. lawyers are members.
Respondent Adarsi is represented by Steven Lester of La Reddola, Lester & Associates, LLP 600 Old Country Rd #230, Garden City, NY 11530

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Where the Ritvik-dogma disagrees with Srila Prabhupada
Where the Ritvik-dogma disagrees with parampara

"So we got this information from His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, and that knowledge is still going on. You are receiving through his servant. And in future the same knowledge will go to your students. This is called parampara system.

Evam parampara prap… It is not that you have become a student and you'll remain student.
No. One day you shall become also guru and make more students, more students, more."

(Srila Prabhupada, 1976, Hyderabad)

We can safely conclude that only a completely bewildered person cannot understand such clear instruction. There are SO MANY instructions from Srila Prabhupada, like this, that annihilate the Ritvik-dogma and mal-practice of 'initiating' devotees to Srila Prabhupada though he left his mortal frame in 1977. They then claim themselves as direct disciples of Srila Prabhupada. Thus confusing the whole above mentioned divine concept, parampara.

[PADA: First of all notice how the Kailash chandra / Rocana / Torben / Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia crew, and similar others, have had to hide the name of their alleged living guru. Why is that? Its because of the ritviks, who have exposed all of their alleged living gurus so badly already, the ritviks have forced them to no longer name who their deviant gurus are. Yes, we have a guru, Srila Nobody-pada. Cannot say who he is! The ritviks have already toasted this guy! The ritviks have forced these living guru advocates to operate underground. 

Torben says there is a clear instruction for a student and / or students to become gurus. OK that would make at least one, or maybe dozens of gurus.
Yet Torben cannot / will not even name one student who has became his guru? Srila Prabhupada says a person who does not name his guru is a mayavada, so that makes all of these people mayavada.

OK! They do not know the name of even one student / or students who has become a guru already? Meanwhile, at least the ritviks know who their guru is? So the ritviks are allegedly confused, because they know who their guru is, but Torben's folks have the real understanding, which is -- they cannot even identify their guru? Torben's saying that we have to worship no one is what is causing the confusion here? Worse, Torben's plan does not even allow offering bhogha, because there is no one to offer the bhogha to. So he is not even in favor of anyone eating prasadam, which is almost like a basis point of devotee life.

Torben wants others to worship his phantom non-existing student guru or gurus, but he does not know if there are any? He keeps saying we need to follow the parampara, and worship some student who is now guru, but he never mentions the name of even one student who is now a guru? How can people make spiritual advancement worshiping -- no one and nothing? This is clearly mayavada. The way to please Krishna is to worship, no one and nothing?

Torben has no guru.
Torben has no books from his guru for other's to read.
Torben has no temples.
Torben has no deity worship training under his guru.
Torben has no book printing of his guru's books, there are none.

So this is great news, the ritviks have defeated these people totally. Previously they all advertised their living guru's name, temple, programs etc. Now they cannot name anyone, at any time, or anything, anywhere. Zip city. Nada. Nothing. No one. Zero. They have been defeated. ys pd 

At the same time, neophytes are told: 

not to become diksha gurus and accept sins.

They will be overwhelmed.

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Madhudviṣa: ...cannot become a medical practitioner by simply reading the books. He must study under a medical practitioner. So in the case of your books, is it possible to become a devotee without actually having personal association with you? Just by reading your books?
Prabhupāda: No, it is not that you have to associate with the author. But one who knows, if you cannot understand you have to take lesson from him. Not necessarily that you have to contact with the author always.
Devotee: Just like the textbooks are not written by the teachers; they're written by other professors.
Devotee: Usually you don't even meet the author.
Prabhupāda: Simply one who knows the subject matter, he can explain.
Madhudviṣa: But can your, would your purports, would that serve as explanation besides...
Prabhupāda: No, no, anyone who knows the subject matter, he will be able to explain. Not necessarily the author is required to be present there. [break] ...to study from a medical man, I never said you have to study from the author. Or one who understood the author's purpose. Just like we are explaining Bhagavad-gītā as it is. Not that one has to learn directly from Kṛṣṇa. One who has understood Kṛṣṇa, from him. That is paramparā system.

Morning Walk -- May 21, 1975, Melbourne

Evangelicals "Soul Searching" After Political Defeat

http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Evangelicals-soul-searching-after-Alabama-Senate-12432486.php

[PADA: Yep, even some of the Christians know, they cannot back rotten apples as their spiritual or political leaders -- and come out looking clean. So now they are having a "soul searching" to figure out: how they became so contaminated by promoting such foolishness, and this has tainted their name and reputation. ISKCON needs to do same. ys pd] 

"Krishna Killers" on Investigation Discovery Channel

ISKCON Losing Another Temple? (Hanuman Das)

Hanuman das Croatia

Really upset! 

PADA attacked his messiah Bhakti Vikas Swami: 

AKA chief bucket boy of the molester acharya's project.

PADA: ISKCON has already lost probably tens of thousands of devotees, and the millions and billions of dollars those devotees would have contributed had they been part of the society. Many devotees were simply purged out, while others were siphoned off by the GBC, with their policy of making folks like Sridhara Maharaja the shiksha gurus of ISKCON. The GBC spawned its own competition for ISKCON by advocating and creating all these off shoot "guru lines" of authority. That process simply continues now with Sacinandana swami making the babajis another off shoot line to siphon people away from ISKCON.

BVKS: Sannyasa disciple of Jayapataka swami, 

leader of the Mayapura molester program and apparently, one of the chief leaders in the poison sabha that attacked Srila Prabhupada?

That has been the GBC's program all along, thousands and thousands were siphoned off when the GBC made various Babajis, Narayan Maharaja, Fakir Mohan, Ramesh Baba and others into the shiksha advisers of all of ISKCON, or for various GBC and / or sectors of ISKCON.  

Over the years, the GBC's policy of assisting these various pied pipers taking off with thousands and thousands of people has helped ISKCON become severely depleted and drained ... with an ongoing problem of lost manpower, money, assets, and sometimes entire buildings are lost and so on. 

The GBC also lost the Bangalore temple and its congregation for other reasons, most likely the Bangalore temple did not want to become another victim of this off shoot siphoning process. And lest we forget, Croome Court, the Oklahoma farm, the New York 55th street temple were sold, San Francisco temple was closed, the Berkeley houses sold, Mt. Kailash farm sold, Three Rivers farm sold, Lake Huntington farm was lost, and various other temples and farms were lost, sold, closed, and essentially destroyed as functioning preaching projects by the GBC. And while they drained down ISKCON they built up the Sridhara / Narayana / Babajis programs, and they still are.

Thus most of the few remaining people left over in ISKCON were given away to various other gurus, sampradaya lines, and assorted "competing with ISKCON" programs and so forth. Now Hanuman das says this same "siphoning off to competing guru factions" is starting to take place in Eastern Europe. Well yes, that has been their post-1977 program from day one. Of course these "advisors" were generally hand maidens to the whole bogus GBC guru regime by helping them along with "advice" "rasika classes" and so on.

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ISKCON Temples lost due to lack of fault finding

By Hanuman das article:  Brooklyn, Croatia, Zagreb 

Today, we are gonna discuss how a major lack of fault finding affects ISKCON in the most gross way. A few days ago, I received an email with newest update on the stolen Brooklyn temple. You can read it on the link which I inserted, but basically, what is happening will be a long and gruesome battle around a very valuable building.

But, intelligence means to be able to recognize the root cause of the disease, not only the symptoms. Symptom is that Srila Prabhupada’s temple is being stolen in a very open way. But why this has happened, that is the real question. Well, the GBC Body also didn’t do their duty of pedophile cleanup 20 years ago, when they were supposed to turn all the pedophiles over to the police. 

They [and many of their congregation members] looked the other way, because “fault finding” is bad. And pedophiles were always given “another chance” instead of being reported to the police. Years and years of lack of such fault finding resulted in the now well known Turley case. So, you see, if we don’t want to do our own fault finding, lawyers and criminal courts will have to do fault finding for us.

[PADA: Right, as soon as we suggested that there was a child abuse program, never mind so many other abuses and crimes, a number of ISKCON people including Hanuman Croatia's so-called "living gurus," for the most part complained that we are bogus ritviks with "an agenda." The GBC's gurus like Bhakti Vikas swami, who allowed / enabled / empowered / co-sponsored all this nonsense are the same "gurus" Hanuman Croatia wants us to surrender to -- even up to today. 

And oddly Hanuman still thinks the people who opposed his criminal guru's regime have "a ritvik agenda." OK agreed, the ritviks have been the main / only people opposing Hanuman's false gurus for the past decades. That means Hanuman wanted no one objecting?

Of course, the actual "ritvik agenda" is to re-establish the worship of Srila Prabhupada, and eliminate the worship of deviants, so it has to be eliminated! Why does Hanuman Croatia keep saying that Krishna's idea of worship of His pure devotee is "an agenda"? Isn't this Krishna's "agenda" and not ours?

Why does Hanuman Croatia still think: the orchestrating group of mass molesting; making temples into ghost towns; selling temples; and bringing in outside authority like Babajis, Fakir Mohan, Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja, Ramesh Baba etc; and promoting the worship of sexual predator messiahs ... and so on, are bona fide acharyas? 

Aren't all these people birds of a feather, involved in orchestrating, organizing, creating, facilitating, allowing, enabling, if not supporting this regime -- all collectively responsible for the results? Why are some of the people in this regime still considered as bona fide gurus by folks like Torben / Ajit / Hanuman Croatia etc.?

Of course others have also opposed us for trying to put the brakes on the bogus guru appointment issue, changed books issue, abuse issue, poison issue and so on. Which is why Sulochana says, birds of a feather flop together.]

As a result of Turley case, many ISKCON temples changed ownership from being directly owned by ISKCON, to being owned by strange foundations, such as in case of Brooklyn temple, the owner is Bharati foundation. And because GBC did major mistakes in setting up this foundation, ISKCON is now losing this temple. Which is not really a problem, since GBC body didn’t deserve to manage Prabhupada’s society, since they are supporting sannyasis with female secretaries, this is something that Prabhupada was strongly against.

[PADA: OK these deviating people are not minor league sadhaka sannyasas, they are being advertised as God's pure devotee successors, parampara members, gurus and acharyas etc. Yes, they do not deserve to manage Srila Prabhupada's society anyway, so if the society is further sold, closed and lost, its not his society that is being lost anyway.]

But even worse than obvious loss of temples, there are temples which are stolen in indirect way. They are still officially in ISKCON, but you are no longer allowed to repeat Prabhupada’s teachings there. One such example is temple Zagreb. Sacinandana baba, ISKCON's “guru” who is travelling with his girlfriend for the last 10 years and follows Ramesh baba was not dealt with, because we should not do “fault finding”. But since GBC didn’t do fault finding, Prahladanananda Swami was forced to lie to protect Sacinandana baba. 

ISKCON gurus should not lie, but if you protect a sannyasi / guru with a female secretary, because you are not allowed to do “fault finding”, then you sink deeper and deeper in the sahajiya toilet. So, what is the situation today? There are two opposed Sacinandana baba factions in Zagreb, and they are waging war for years in order to secure the building and its few petty followers. This underlying sahajiya war is visible even on the official website of ISKCON Croatia:

My translation and commentary is as follows:

In a last few weeks, from several devotees, we got information that group of individuals connected with a private center in the city are spreading lies about temple in Bizek, devotees who are connected with the temple and GBC for Croatia, his holiness Prahladananda Swami. They are spreading this lies within their own circle which is then further related to new people.

*** What lies? These people are so ignorant, that they don’t know that if you want to disprove some attack officially, you have to at least say what is your document all about. What lies? And you can also see the Gestapo mentality. “Private center” in the city is run by Sacinandana Swami's disciple Sundarananda das. 

Well, if he opened his “private center”, I guess he can preach whatever his likes. But no, “temple authorities” don’t allow Sundarananda to preach what he wants within his own circles. You can see the depth of censorship ocean in Zagreb. By the way, it is worth mentioning that those same guys kicked Sundarananda out one year ago. And now they are very surprised that he is preaching against them. 

But you see, they will never create problems when Sundarananda brings Ramesh followers to Croatia, they will never speak strongly against their fake guru Sacinandana Swami who travels with his girlfriend. On the contrary, they will ban everybody who dares to say something against Ramesh baba or divine secretary tattva. So, to sum up, they are really ideologically very similar to Sundarananda.

So we decided to write this statement by which we repeat what everybody who comes to the temple already knows, that everybody is welcome to come to darsan of Sri Sri Gaura Nitai, offer service, and to engage according to capabilities and rules of temple because it is the temple of all of us. We are keeping high spiritual standards, and we lead transparent finances. 

As authorised body within zagreb yatra for giving recommendations for initiations, we give recommendations to all devotees according to standards. We are organising various programs in the temple, in the city and everybody is invited to join and give contribution to development of our community and reputation of ISKCON.

My God, for a long time I didn’t see so many lies in one paragraph. First of all, everybody is not welcome to temple, for example, I am banned because I don’t like Ramesh baba and I don’t believe in divine female secretary for sannyasis. You can see their full letter in English and Croatian when they banned me. 

Then, they say that they “keep high spiritual standards”, their spiritual standards are so high that they accept sannyasis and gurus with female secretaries as their guru, they also organise “Drug dealer, women hunter festival“. Also their main festival preacher is caught traveling with young girls in his third marriage. 

I wouldn’t call that high spiritual standards. So, yes, everybody is invited to join in, as long as you are brainless and don’t see anything wrong in deviations which they are doing. And this is the very reason why nobody wants to join their fake society, place of mainly sahajiya in Zagreb is already taken by Sundarananda, and all sahajiya followers already went to join him. 

From the other side, genuine Prabhupada followers are not interested to follow their small Gestapo regime, which is just a bad copy of Sundarananda’s sahajiya heaven. In other words, they are banning real Krishna consciousness, and in the same time they are not fully Ramesh, so, they are basically nowhere.

In case somebody is telling you something opposite of this, or you have some question, please email us or call (zagreb.temple@pamgho.net, or Govinda-nanda phone 091 575-0472), because we want to remove intentional untruths and give you personal experience so that you could bring your own conclusion.

Yours in the service of Prabhupada, temple board Zagreb, International society for Krishna consciousness.

My God, “yours in the service of Prabhupada“. What hypocrites. Prabhupada was against sannyasis with female secretaries, Prabhupada was against Ramesh sahajiya nonsense, if you really want to have personal experience, try going to temple Zagreb and saying publicly that “Ramesh baba is nonsense, and that all his followers such as Sacinandana baba are also nonsense” and you will very quickly find out that this crew doesn’t have anything to do with Prabhupada.

Conclusion

So, we gave two examples of what happens when you miss a dose of fault finding, one was very straightforward, where Brooklyn temple was stolen directly from Prabhupada, as a consequence of Turley case, and second example is temple Zagreb, where the temple was stolen by deviated disciples of deviated guru. 

When Sacinandana Swami started traveling with his girlfriend 10 years go, after his first honeymoon was over, GBC body and senior members of this movement were not supposed to stay silent, they were supposed to raise their voice against nonsense and protect Prabhupada’s legacy. But they didn’t do that. So now, 10 years later, Ramesh sahajiyas are kicking Prabhupada’s followers from the temples they stole from Prabhupada.

If first pedophile that appeared in ISKCON was turned over to the police, and was prosecuted by criminal justice system to the maximum extent possible, other pedophiles would think twice before trying something. Or they would simply leave to find religious organisation with more friendly pedophile environment. Similarly, if Sacinandana Swami was confronted by numerous articles and facebook posts etc., he wouldn’t be able to pull this show off. 

But, the sheeple are trained to never protest, and if you want to be standard ISKCON follower, one of the first thing that will happen is that your sense of discrimination will be clinically removed by the GBC body and ISKCON “authorities”. Then, when you become brainless, then you can be good “non envious” ISKCON member. So, that you don’t disturb fake gurus while they do their nonsense. 

On the contrary, if you are in Zagreb, “authorities” will be most happy if you take initiation from their fake guru. So, this is classical society of cheaters and cheated which Prabhupada warned us against. In other words, instead of creating strong society, where nonsense is exposed publicly, we created society of brainless sheep, where nobody dares to say anything against gross deviations, and deviants are growing without opposition. That was a bad choice. And Prabhupada’s movement is already half finished.

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Birds of a feather

pseudo-devotees


"Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur suggests that people who are materialistically inclined and sahajiyas, or so-called vaishnavas who take everything very cheaply, are both visayi, materialists. Eating food offered by them causes contamination, and as a result of such contamination, even a serious devotee becomes like a materialistic man. There are six kinds of association -- giving charity, accepting charity, accepting food, offering food, talking confidentially and inquiring confidentially. One should very carefully avoid associating with both the sahajiyas, who are sometimes known as vaishnavas, and the non-vaishnavas, or avaishnavas. Their association changes the transcendental devotional service of Lord Krishna into sense gratification, and when sense gratification enters the mind of a devotee, he is contaminated. The materialistic person who aspires after sense gratification cannot properly think of Krishna." (Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya 6.278, purport)

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Why were all these 1977 tapes hidden? No one was allowed to see, hear or have any of these tapes. As soon as Sulochana released the bogus appointment tape in 1985 (which he had to bribe an archives devotee to get), he was assassinated in 1986. We did not get any of these November 1977 tapes until the summer of 1997, and we only got them by a persistent devotee who had to beg them from the archives for 20 years. We were then the FIRST people on the planet to make a transcript of this 1977 talk and circulate it, in 1997. Why was all this hidden? And yes, some of their transcripts do not match the actual audio tape itself? Sulochan's transcript was the first actual authentic version of the actual audio, ever, and it still is the transcript most people see today. There was no other transcript ... why did the GBC hide all these tapes, unless there was something to hide? ys pd


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Bhakta Steve: So ... not one of those GBC listed... has the decency to address the issues that those who don’t believe them or their “brush offs” do think are credible... ? And they accuse those who have now some very credible scientific evidence of poisoning of SP... of being the “poison”???!!!!

That, alone, whether the “proof” is there for this alleged, most demonic, and insidious CRIME against devotees and Srila Prabhupada is enough for any sane person to abandon ISKCON and retreat to another version of the sampradaya or create their own.... this is an atrocious and horrid response from the GBC and those who support it are as responsible for the “poison” as the one or two or three people who actually put the poison in Srila Prabhupada’s food.. 

I’ve been following this issue since my days (1-1/2 years) being a active neophyte devotee in a local temple. I left after my own research into that idiot who built the “golden” palace and his escapades along with Ratanath who happens to be a CONSPIRATOR in a MURDER. 


I find all of the responses by the GBC regarding the “poison” issue to be flippant disregard of the wishes of devotees for some solid and complete understanding and comprehension on the GBC’s part to understand the problem from our side... the side that reads and studies the evidence and the result of the GBC archarya’s last 40 years of “ruling” the movement with complete disregard for the founder’s books and his vision... It makes me ashamed... It should make ALL devotees ashamed.... but then they have that Aparada rule don’t they ...??? So convenient to shut-up the minions and neophytes through guilt and fear... typical fascist dictators if you ask me.. All of the fake gurus of ISKCON... even that monstrosity they are building in Mayapur won’t cleanse their horrid karma or their image in my eyes....

Brooklyn Temple Court Case (Update)

[PADA: Yep, more Gaudiya Matha stuff. The Gaudiya Matha people were fighting over assets, selling assets, hi-jacking assets in the name of acharyas etc. and all this was going into court at great expense. They even sold their printing press to pay for lawyers. 

The GBC does not get it, their gurus like Gaura Govinda swami, Prithu, Kirtanananda, Jayatirtha, Jayapataka, Romapada etc. have often acted totally independent of the GBC, and many of them encouraged independent behavior all along. Why would anyone else follow the GBC rules and dictates now -- when even many of their own top people, aka their gurus, do not care a fig for GBC's dictates, rules and regulations? 

They are fighting their own shadow. 

The good news is, this shows how foolish their system of making rules and mandates for their acharyas is, because its making maybe almost everyone become a renegade. If their acharyas can be renegades, why not everyone else? Yep, this is simply another example of how their process of inability of legislating their gurus is creating more renegade consciousness, which is spreading to all other sectors. If their gurus are anarchists, its an invitation for everyone else to do same. As happens! ys pd] 

For immediate release December 9, 2017 

Contact: Jayadvaita Swami jaswami+rgbrooklyn@gmail.com 

Brooklyn: Ramabhadra Dasa sues in Court to have temple sale approved.

Attorney General’s Office asks Court to reject the deal. A Brooklyn courtroom was filled with Krishna devotees this past Wednesday for a hearing on a petition asking the Court to allow the Brooklyn Hare Krishna temple to be sold. The petition was filed by Ramabhadra Dsa, the former president of ISKCON Brooklyn. 

New York Assistant Attorney General Abigail Young appeared in court to oppose the petition, as did attorneys for the ISKCON GBC, for a renewed, GBC-supported temple board, and for members of the congregation. For the sale of a place of worship, the State of New York requires Court approval. 

Typically, the seller first seeks approval from the State’s Office of the Attorney General (OAG). If the OAG approves, the Court it likely to approve as well. But on September 26 the OAG notified Ramabhadra that after nearly two years of back and forth, it had declined, once and for all, his request for OAG approval. 

If you want to pursue the sale, the OAG told him, you will have to take your request to the Court. That is what Ramabhadra chose to do. In late October he filed his petition with the Court, asking approval for the proposed sale. On Wednesday the attorneys for the GBC and for members of the congregation filed with the Court their responses, outlining their many reasons why permission for the sale should be denied. 

Some fifty or more New York devotees packed into the courtroom to show support for keeping the temple in its present location. Advocating the sale, only four now-removed members of the temple board showed up: Ramabhadra Dasa, Adi Deva Dasa, and their wives. (They were accompanied by two lawyers.) The GBC, at its midterm meeting in October in Ujjain, India, had reaffirmed Ramabhadra’s removal as temple president and had also removed him and all but two members from the temple’s board of directors. 

The GBC authorized the Brooklyn Temple Sale Committee (BTSC) to fill the vacant slots and make any other adjustments needed. The board members kept were Satya Devi Dasi and Adi Deva Dasa. “They had served on the board for many years,” said Sesa Dasa, chairman of the BTSC, “so we wanted to give them a chance to cooperate and continue.” 

But when the first meeting of the renewed board was held and neither Satya or Adi Deva (although invited) chose to appear, the board appointed two new board members to replace them. The new chairman of the board is Vaisesika Dasa. Pyari Mohana Dasa, the regional secretary for New England, is also a board member. 

Both are disciples of Srila Prabhupada. All the other members of the renewed board are local devotees from the Radha Govinda congregation. At the court hearing, the devotees present didn’t see much legal action. Ramabhadra’s lawyers asked for--and received--a “continuance,” or postponement, of the hearings to have time to study the GBC’s objections. 

A new court date was set: January 31. But, most significant, in the Court proceedings on Wednesday the OAG filed its own objections to the proposed sale. The OAG detailed several grounds on which Ramabhadra’s plan had failed to prove persuasive. In fact, the OAG observed that Ramabhadra didn’t have much of a plan at all. The OAG therefore asked the Court to turn the petition down. 

On behalf of the OAG, the Assistant Attorney General wrote, “[It] is unusual in a transaction of this nature involving a sale of a large and active religious corporation not to set forth a clear plan to move religious artifacts and establish a transitional house of worship as well as clear outlines for the development of a permanent new house of worship with proceeds. We would ask that the Court reject the Petition until Petitioner can provide such a plan approved by all internal bodies.” The OAG’s reference to “all internal bodies” also appears significant. 

The Hare Krishna movement’s ultimate internal body, the GBC, has clearly declared its disapproval of selling the Brooklyn Radha Govinda temple. With the GBC, the OAG, and a majority of the congregation standing firmly opposed to the sale, the chances of Ramabhadra’s winning Court approval seem poor. And so one member of the congregation said, “I’d say to Ramabhadra Prabhu and his people: If you really love Radha Govinda, don’t waste Their money on a hopeless dream. Let’s cooperate and serve Them together in ISKCON.”

Srila Prabhupada appointed ritviks (Video)

Sridhara Maharaja's deviant acharyas: links of parampara?

Sri Guru Links to the Parampara

BY: CAITANYA DAS

Dec 08, 2017 — MANCHESETER, ENGLAND —

So far I have understood, the notion of Ritvik or even soft-Ritvik is being rejected by Srila Sridhar Swami, as he gives his authentic understanding of the position of Sri Guru.

[PADA: First of all, who is the "Sri Guru" link they want us to worship now? They never identify this alleged person? All glories to (the phantom) Sri Guru! 

Also amazing! 

First of all Sridhara Maharaja endorses a bi-sexual deviant as the acharya in 1936, and under his process dissenters are being systematically banned, beaten and killed. This is creating a huge purge of manpower, bad media publicity and a giant lawsuit that drains the finances of the matha in India in the 1940s. Then later on their "acharya" commits suicide after his scandals are being exposed. All this creates ghost towns out of the temples as the devotees flee the scene of Sridhara Maharaja's guru lineage's deviation scheme. 

And then later Sridhara Maharaja endorsed the GBC's false gurus after 1977. Again he co-authorized and co-generated the same process; Dissenters to his illicit sex gurus are once again being banned, beaten, and some are killed; Vulnerable citizens are being molested; Huge public media scandals and giant millions of dollars lawsuit ensue, and all this is the authentic idea of the guru parampara! 

Is there any wonder the GBC / Rocana / Torben / Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia / etc do not want to name their current "authorized diksha guru" these days, since it will not take us long to link him to this odious heap of stinky mess? This is also what always amazes me about the exponents of Sridhara Maharaja like Sudhir Krishna, Tripurari swami, Panchadravida and others, the person who endorses deviants as acharyas is ... showing us the bona fide system of the parampara? 

And all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits, murders, bad publicity from the "gurus" that Sridhara Maharaja endorsed is part of the bona fide parampara system? Of course Narayana Maharaja also endorsed the GBC's gurus, and he too seemed quite oblivious to all these reactions? Worse, Narayana Maharaja says that Sridhara Maharaja is a bona fide acharya, because all of them endorsed his system of making deviants and criminals into their acharyas?]

It appears Sri Guru must be at least to the intermediate standard, having one foot in this word and one foot in the spiritual realm, he should not be struggling in his mind with sex or craving followers, or worship, He must dedicate himself totally to his Guru, he must take worship, but knowing it's his Guru who is worshiped, because without his Guru he would be nowhere. He should take all risks, and fully depend on the mercy of his Guru and Krishna to carry out the service.

[PADA: OK but if he has one foot here he is not a guru? How can a person who has one foot here act as a Jesus like messiah and absorb the sins of others?]

But it appears if he is linked correctly to the parampara then the parampara and Krishna will speak through him. It is not that we have soft Ritvik Guru, who can be of any standard, i.e., attracted to women, sex, money, fame, etc., and give the philosophy. Actually Srila Prabhupada is the real Guru, not me.

[PADA: A neophyte can easily become attracted to mundane things, that is why he is called a neophyte? How can a neophyte be a representative, well he can because all of us neophytes made ISKCON in the first place, but we did so by serving the acharya. Notice this person says actually Srila Prabhupada is the real guru, ok that is the ritvik system.]

If we are to imply that it leaves open the door of the family gurus who have no qualifications to be Sri Guru, this is something condemned by both Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and Bhaktivinoda Thakur, and this philosophy will lead to no potency of progressive Krishna Consciousness within ISKCON, but further administration powers only.

[PADA: So why is the GBC and Rocana writing all sorts of administrative rules for their acharyas?]
Our society must hold to the faith that there are devotees who are sincere and dedicated and they are linked to the parampara, and that Krishna and the parampara can speak through them. 

[PADA: OK but you just said that these people will act as ritvik / representatives because Srila Prabhupada is the real guru, not me?]

They are taking a risk, they are putting themselves in high position for service to their Guru, Srila Prabhupada, or the disciples of Prabhupada, and they are dedicated and advancing, and do not involve their minds in mundane subjects of this world, but have the ability and devotion to keep their minds in the spiritual realms, and service to Sri Guru.

[PADA: A neophyte is told not to take the sins of others and act as a diksha guru, doing so is not bona fide taking risk, that is violating the order.]

Prospective disciples must know it is by the blessing of such a Guru that I hear and chant the glories of Krishna, and that I am on the spiritual path. Without him I would be nowhere. He is linking me by his blessings and his example I am following. It is not up to the institution to make this call, but the Guru is self-effulgent to the prospective disciple. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta says, it's up to prospective disciples to educate themselves and follow Guru, Sadhu and Sastra, and the inner feelings of their hearts.

In that consciousness, of course, all the parampara and their teachings and blessings are upon the disciples. The principle of Siksa both physically present gurus and those who are not, but are present in their teachings, is always in play, accordingly there is no difference between Diksa and Siksa.

[PADA: There is no difference between the neophyte siksha guru and the uttama diksha guru? There is no difference between Jesus and the church priest? OK! This guy is spinning (again). ys pd] 

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