Tuesday, February 18, 2020

GBC Reply to the Poison Issue (Video)




[PADA: Lots of contradictions in the GBC replies, as usual. Of course, this shows how much they are concerned about the issue, which is, a lot of people are taking it seriously despite all their counter propaganda.  

Before we released the poison tapes -- we first took the tapes to a Bengali editor in 1997 to translate them for us. He listened to a tape for less than a minute and he said "this man (Srila Prabhupada) is being poisoned." This is just from hearing the statements of Srila Prabhupada briefly, never mind later on the whispers and so forth came out. 

A Brijabasi friend of Srila Prabhupada's also listened to the tape for us in 1997. Again, in less than a minute, and he actually started crying saying "they poisoned him." Tamal Krishna also says that Srila Prabhupada "had asked to be given something to make me disappear," which apparently means Tamal was saying Srila Prabhupada wanted to commit suicide by poison. This is all on a tape he made with Satsvarupa. Where is the good explanation of such statements? 

Meanwhile, no one can explain why the tape itself was hidden until we got a copy in 1997, which means it was hidden for 20 years. And the person who gave me the tape still tells me not to mention his name, for fear of being oppressed by the GBC folks. What is the need for all this secrecy if there is nothing to hide? Why is the person who gave me the tape in fear of his life? Then again Nanda Kumar said they were all laughing in November 1977, and he had to leave the place because he knew something awful was going on there. 

And the person who gave me the tape in 1997 said he saw Bhakti Caru crying outside Srila Prabhupada's room in 1977. And when asked why he was crying, Bhakti Caru said, "Because Srila Prabhupada says someone is giving me poison." That is also what Srila Prabhupada says on the tape. Oddly, Bhakti Caru is one of the people who is trying now to advertise this tape made herein. 

Meanwhile, more than a few people are writing to say that the GBC is poisoning ISKCON in other ways by allowing Dhanurdara swami types to float all over the place, as we see in this recent TOVP building photo below. We are supposed to accept the version of truth -- from the same people who do everything they can to bend, twist, pervert and change up the truth -- on any issue, as the best examiners on the poison issue, or any other issue? 

In any case, this is good. The person who helped counter the child molesting complaints of the gurukula children is GBC fixer lawyer Amarendra, and he is one of their big speakers on their tape herein. He is clearly an "expert" at countering bona fide complaints, and so he is the "expert" they consulted here? Children are committing suicide and so forth, and that is the time to come forward to counter their complaints to suppress their complaints? An expert at countering complaints is the person we select to counter the poison complaint.

Anyway, eventually someone will make a video to counteract their video, but right now we have to say, their credibility is in the tank. A whole lot of ex-kulis are upset that the Amarendra party countered their child abuse complaints to save the evil doers. And now Amarendra is being recruited to do the same over the poison issue? Really? Anyway good luck. Whether it is: Molester messiahs; Dope head gurus; Illicit sex with men, women and children "God's successor acharyas"; Gurus watching porn; Burying homosexual pedophiles and porno swamis in the dham, or any other issue, it always seems like the same group of people are sent forward to defend the regime. 

Do they have much credibility at this stage? 

OK not so much. This is looking more and more like desperation. Meanwhile, even followers of Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja, Gaura Govinda Maharaja, Krishna Balaram swami (Vrndavana) various other sadhus and gurus in India, and of course even sometimes GBC followers, are all agreeing with us -- there is enough evidence of poisoning, and various of them have wrote to explain that they agree with this issue to me. 

Its going to be an uphill battle for the GBC to gain traction on any issue at present, so go ahead, try your best. However, all your previous attempts to explain away various crimes and dubious actions -- have for the most part, failed. Most people think the people who conspire against children to promote child beaters, pedophiles and / or porno swamis etc. as "God's gurus" are the real conspiracy afoot here. And they are very likely part of the poison complaint group, which is also a conspiracy. It seems all these issues are connected to the same basic group of individuals? ys pd    




Dhanurdara at the TOVP, thanks to the
"credible GBC managers." 
Fer sure pilgrims!
This is the party that has credibility on any issue?
  

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AMARENDRA Das and the DHANURDARDA SWAMI ISSUE

KT: Hare Krishna my dear prabhus.

I am the mother of a son who was horrifically abused in Vrindaban gurukula — personally by Dhanurdhar and indirectly by him sanctioning the cruelty of other abusers and pedophiles. After many many years I just reread The description of the things they did to my son that were truly monstrous and sickening.

Additionally, I worked in the legal office with Amarendra prabhu during the time that the declarations of abuse were submitted and I was the one who opened them. As far as I know, I am one of only two people that ever actually read all the descriptions of the abuse in Vrindaban.

And of course, Dhanurdhar’s name came up over and over again, and the unbelievably cruel things he did were described by person after person. But the most heartbreaking part of that service were the phone calls I answered from the desperately in pain petitioners. Many times they whispered thru tears that they were going to tell me things they had never told another human being about the terrible things that were done to them.

Others would tell me they were contemplating suicide.

And then despite my best efforts to be there for him, we lost our dear Ananda. That breaks my heart to this day. I spent so many hours listening to their pain, desperation and anger that at times I had to stay all night at the office to finish my work. But how could anyone with a heart and an equally damaged child, not talk to them for as long as they needed. I tell you all this because I want to explain why I am so committed to doing anything I can to prevent the travesty of the of them having to see Dhanurdhar sitting on a Vyasasan being worshipped as good as God.



[PADA: Why has Amarendra and his pals been defending anyone from this group? And now he is the hand selected spokesman for the GBC over the poison issue? Children are committing suicide, or contemplating suicide, so lets counter their complaints to suppress and attack them all the more? This is the person the GBC hand selects as their spokesman? People are dying from this form of poison, that form of poison, or the other form of poison, and we know which party has been causing this process. Suppressing complaints of victims is what evil dictator regimes do every day since the time of Kamsa. And now we are going to suppress the complaints from AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada as well?]

5 comments:

  1. GD: Hansadutta repeatedly said that there was no motive, motive for the crime, but actually Prabhupada might have told all the devotees that he doesn't want to have the same type of clowns who ditched their sannyasa danda, these type of men, sitting on the vyasasana?

    [PADA: Hansadutta was Tamal's right hand man as soon as Prabhupada departed, they were like inseperable twins always hanging out together. And they had us banned, beaten and assassinated. Why did they have to do that if there was no motive take hi-jack the properties? There was a lot of motive, they wanted to take the properties and they wanted to have all of us removed in order to do that, as happened. They became instant millionaires, that is plenty of motive for mundane people. ys pd]

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  2. Thanks Mother M Dasi. Yes, some of the same people who suppressed the child abuse issue were saying it is a "conspiracy made by PADA." They suppressed PADA and the victims -- to the point more and more victims were committing suicide. Are now some of the same folks who suppressed us with the abuse issue, as a PADA conspiracy, are on the "poison conspiracy" team to suppress the poison issue as another PADA conspiracy. Yes, this is very shameless, agreed. They just go from bad to worse. Cannot argue that. The good news, more people are accepting than rejecting at this point. ys pd

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  3. Thanks LD: Yes, this GBC styled VIDEO has the look of a professionally hired staff video, made using a lot of money for "paid for" actors. Certainly Amarendra types have been on the GBC payroll for a long time. So we have at least some "paid for" actors promoting a view point, that is not a sincere effort.

    And yes, as soon as we said: The 11 were not appointed as gurus; There is an abuse problem; There is no authority to change the books; Srila Prabhupada complains of being poisoned, and so on, all these type people said "this is all PADA's lies and conspiracies." They say that all the time. Great, except we keep getting more evidence these are real problems and not simply foolish conspiracies.

    They really have not even come up with a good explanation for why the tape was hidden in the first place, and we only got it by chance or it never would have been released. IF there is no problem, what is the need to hide the evidence? Anyway you are right, this has the look of a money made program and not a program made by sincere people, agreed. And was this not the whole problem with the child molesting? The GBC's defenders said "this is all PADA's conspiracy theory." Well nope, these are real issues from real people.

    This seems to be the consensus reply we got from others, its a paid for hire made video. Lets not forget Amarendra and his pals said Srila Prabhupada is their "writer for hire." They have no love for Prabhupada, apparently they think he is their peon. And that is why so many folks believe he was poisoned, these GBC folks have had little or no regard for him or they would not have destroyed his mission the way they did. ys pd

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  4. Yes prabhu, the video is posted by "Whereverland" after Michael Jackson's "Neverland"? What? And comments are blocked. What? Yep, its a self-evident scam. It is a bought and paid for hit job. ys pd

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  5. Video disappeared? http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2020/02/iskcons-poison-issue-folks-video.html

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