[PADA: Right, some folks are now trying to discredit the poison issue by saying this issue has no traction because it was forwarded by "the ritviks," so that means -- its not valid. Well maybe, but aren't these some of the same people who said: The bogus guru appointment issue; Gurukuli imbroglio issue; New Vrndavana et al. crimes issue; Book changes issue; Asset and property theft issue; Mad Acharya Disease issue; Hidden documents and appointment tape issue; Criminality issue -- ad infinitum -- are "not credible" because these issues are being forwarded by us folks?
How is that working out for you guys?
Seems to us that these issues are gaining significant traction more and more every day? Yep, blame the messenger, this does not always work very well. OK you guys slowed us down to some extent, but not actually halted our progress. Yes, all of these issues are being accepted more and more, and will be the "final accepted version of history" eventually.
We also do not care if this issue is officially established in the legal courts of law or not, yes -- most of these issues were never established in legal courts, but the issues are being accepted and established in the courts of public and devotee opinion, and that is where we wanted all this to be solidified anyway. ys pd]
SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS POISONED: WHAT NOW?
We have compiled some interesting comments and questions from (and answers to) those who watched the films from the Truth Committee regarding the evidence and logical conclusions about Srila Prabhupada having been poisoned with cadmium at levels about 250 times above the normal average person. The response has been generally very positive and that the evidence has largely spoken for itself, and that the scientific proof from hair tests and audio forensics is conclusively convincing.
Of course, there are those who have blocked minds or strong emotional hostility, and they invariably have not even understood what the evidence is, and they appear to have no desire to look at it openly. However, judging from the aftermath and responses, it seems the facts and evidence that Srila Prabhupada was indeed poisoned is profoundly changing the way devotees look upon many things, and especially as to what has happened since Srila Prabhupada physically departed forty years ago.
The truth will do whatever it will do. No one has created an agenda to push from manufactured or contrived allegations. The evidence speaks for itself. We should always remember that Srila Prabhupada himself stated three times that he also thought he had been poisoned. And now modern science has confirmed that his statements are accurate and prophetic. What else would we expect from Srila Prabhupada? To say something we should not take seriously, as Tamal suggested?
(1). Gopalacharya das: “So I have watched it. Now, my question is, what is the next step? Will there be some case files against those who are alleged to be the murderers? If there is no follow up by legally charging those people the movie will remain just a conspiratorial documentary that many will disbelieve. Please let me known if there is going to be any legal action taken against those who conspired.”
OUR REPLY: Well, please don't think our committee has all the solutions or such great power to do wonders. But we are able to disseminate the facts and logical conclusions after compiling the evidence, which is compelling. So compelling that I would think anyone who can understand it, or who will look at it closely, can appreciate that this is not a conspiracy of an unfounded idea.
The scientific proof is there, with so much circumstantial evidence as well. But getting a legal threshold established is a tough challenge, although it is in progress now. Meanwhile the effects on the movement from the collective acceptance and realization that senior disciples poisoned Srila Prabhupada, unauthorisedly took his place, and for 40 years injected all sorts of now dubious doctrines into the institution, will eventually change the landscape in dramatic ways now unforeseen. Let the truth do what it will.
(2). Mataji: “I had been trying to think of a way to objectively present this horrific crime to the public because the truth will bring justice. This third video, The Crime of the Millennium, is perfect. I am mailing the attached letter to The Washington Post and The New York Times. As for the LA Times, I was able to submit the letter online. The other entities required filling out a form online which I did today. Thank you for allowing me to help a little. We are going to get this in the mainstream news!”
OUR REPLY: Very nice. We much appreciate your assistance in this matter. You might send your letter to any number of local news outlets, newspapers, talk shows, etc. TV, radio, newspapers and magazines. If somehow you can get it onto UPI, AP, or one of the wire services, the story is picked up worldwide and is then available everywhere as an interesting story. If it's published (syndicated) even by a small newspaper in El Paso, then hundreds of papers around the world will choose that story to fill in their news of some particular day.
Send it to as many as you can, not just one. Once published, then you have story credibility and others will become more interested. Like Oprah Winfrey: she does big stories on people after she discovers them in the news. What difference will it make? We are convinced that the wider the truth is known, the more that Srila Prabhupada’s mission will become rectified.
(3). A. Murty: “Hare Krishna. I don't think you are making a point; it's better we chant the Maha Mantra and be happy.”
ANONYMOUS REPLY: Ignoring this crime? Ignorance is bliss until the Yamadutas take those who choose to ignore and tolerate the crime of the millennium. You can go on chanting decade after decade but it will be offensive chanting and will not produce any Krishna Prema, if God's "best friend" is poisoned and you ignore it. Why would you insult Krishna with this chant and be happy talk? You only care for your own happiness?? That is called sense-gratification.
And if you are giving instructions with your ignorant comment than you are no better than the criminals that try to silence us by telling us to shut up and just chant. We can't be happy until all these criminals get kicked out of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON and we must do our part each of us to make sure this happens. We owe this to Srila Prabupada. Without him we wouldn't even have the Maha-mantra.
(4). In response to Anuttama dasi’ article “Where’s The Outrage?”- Pratyatosh das wrote:
“The ISKCON GBC were criminally negligent by covering up the sexual molesting / raping of hundreds of helpless children who were put in their care by well-meaning parents. They even went so far as to keep this information secret from gurukula headmasters such as myself! Now they are being criminally negligent once again by covering up the proven poisoning of Srila Prabhupada!
Why are they completely silent about this new proof?
Why are they not verifying this new proof by testing Srila Prabhupada's hair samples for themselves, this time for cadmium? They belonged in jail for their child abuse cover-up. Now they again belong in jail for their cover-up of the cruel murder of Srila Prabhupada! Don't they even have a heart?”
OUR COMMENTS: We have no more hope that the ISKCON misleaders will do the right thing, nor guide the ISKCON institution anywhere but the deserts of deviation. They must be removed and the institution should be managed by interim caretakers while the devotees research, study, discuss, and debate what should be done by going back to Square One, as though it were the day after Srila Prabhupada departed.
We must reject everything that has happened since then as the stained works of those who poisoned His Divine grace’s body and mission with doctrines meant to serve their own nefarious ambitions. How can poisoners be accepted as leaders or policy-makers?
(5). An excerpt from Where’s The Outrage? By Anuttama dasi in August 2017:
“The attitude that the murder of Srila Prabhupada is an unfortunate historical fact that has no bearing on the present situation is not only inaccurate, but it is also a symptom of a crime that is even greater than the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada's physical body; the greater crime is the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada's institution, ISKCON. What better way to destroy the most important institution in the world than to gradually add just enough poison that it is almost undetectable, just as they did to Srila Prabhupada's physical body?
“Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world.” --BG16-9. Nityananda das' book, Kill Guru, Become Guru gives a detailed timeline of our spiritual master's last months before his passing, including naming the people who had constant access to him.
Because the poisoning was done over a period of many months, the poisoning had to have been done by someone in the inner circle. Those “inner circle” people are the same people who lied when they told us that Srila Prabhupada had appointed them as pure devotee acaryas. They are the same people whose philosophy and policies have poisoned our spiritual master's institution. Srila Prabhupada warned us that there are demons in the dress of Vaishnavas that we need to avoid.”
(6). “Srila Prabhupada is just like the savior of the world. His greatness cannot be stressed enough. These rakshasas... killing him slowly, softly, silently... are so sneaky. Deceiving and killing is done by snake-people who falsely project whatever seems expected to infiltrate, like HIV does. The lineages within ISKCON connected to the Cadmium Club need now to denounce and disavow the criminals to not be taken as part of the crime cover-up.
Prabhupada was stolen away, and so was his ISKCON. When we pray together to Mahaprabhu that the dark curse be lifted and ISKCON again become a place of trust and devotion, He may find a way to fulfill His devotees desires. As bhaktas we know that it is up to Krishna to let the real followers of Srila Prabhupada restore order in the House of Prabhupada.
If we don't go thru with this clean-up, the secret of the poison that killed Srila Prabhupada will become ISKCON's mortal cancer. Our love and admiration for The Global Archarya drives the movement to make ISKCON trusted again. Let the winds of Truth sweep ISKCON clean.” (Ram das)
(7). “What do you tell someone who says that they are not interested in poison issue since it happened 40 years ago (even if true) and that it just creates a disturbance to their devotional service? How to explain to them that they are in maya by remaining in blissful ignorance? Why are so many "devotees "disturbed by this but not by the lies of GBC?
Varnasrama means truthfulness of the brahmins and justice by ksatriyas, doesn't it? Not audacious vaisya gurus, sudra GBC and caste Prabhupada disciples and slave like rank and file all rejecting the truth. They always clamor Vaishnava aparadha as a threat but what about aparadha to Srila Prabhupada?” (Mahatma das, Europe)
(8). “Thank you a million times for speaking out and showing all the proof of Srila Prabhupada,'s poisoning by the large dose of cadmium. Thank you for your courage in making the video " KIll Guru, Become Guru", I pray you keep safe from the guilty ones. The leaders of is gone seem to be trying to ignore everything. Is there to be criminal prosecution of those involved? Your servant, Labangalatika dd”
REPLY: Thank you, prabhu. Maybe there will be a criminal investigation. We are trying. But main thing is that all devotees should come to understand the fact that those who poisoned Srila Prabhupada to take his place as gurus are still running ISKCON today... That alone will eventually have major effects.
(9). From the heart of Texas, in Dallas:
“Now the history book is partially released and I am nearly finished with first part...the details and depth are amazing. How can you find so much information? The effects are not known now but Lord Krishna surely has a plan for Srila Prabhupada to speak and purify ISKCON. Here in Dallas the ISKCON devotees have a radio station at AM 700 full time bhakti radio .Recently I heard the Dallas temple president state that the problem with thousands of pages of your writing is that it will harm ISKCON.
He is not saying that anything is not true. He is stating that you are trying to destroy the Hare Krishna movement. He simply wants to keep his retirement account. Maybe many will believe this now? The report on ISKCON history is having some effect or he would not mention this on public radio. Possibly if we can have some syndicated TV CBS, NBC do a non-fiction mystery show on Srila Prabhupada's departing, then more devotees and the public will be interested. Now the evidence is perfectly presented and Krishna has some plan. I will try to find some investigative reporters who can push forward what you have documented.”
REPLY: Yes, there are at least five other devotees also working on this. Good plan.
(10). From Rasamanjari dasi, Fiji: “Srila Prabhupada says: "That is my only request. That at the last stage, don't torture me and put to death. " He felt the need to say such a thing to address what he realized was the actual situation. Srila Prabhupada never spoke without purpose.”
(11). From RedRockRishis: “It is possible. After all, it is Kali-yuga. Now, there is so much chaos going on in ISKCON, at different levels. Even the present GBC chairman recently shared the same concern, of many "fires" going on in the institution. I have personal experience also, of persons, devotees, members of the North American GBC, using deceit, corruption, and outright lying, to achieve their personal agenda.
I am shocked by this kind of corrupt infiltration, seeping into Srila Prabhupada's glorious Movement. When it comes down to it, proof is proof. Where is the "proof" that Srila Prabhupada was NOT poisoned? I for one, am completely open to see it. As they say, seeing is believing.”
(12). “You have really proved the case beyond question I think. At least for any reasonable devotee and that's really all that matters. GREAT JOB. We all owe the Truth Committee. We all owe you so much that it is not possible for us to repay you any way except with our sincere thank you. ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA!”
(13). “Srila Prabhupada’s final pastime very closely reminds me with that of Jesus Christ, as I was born Christian. Like Jesus on the cross Srila Prabhupada’s body was “nailed” to his bed and suffered numerous days of horrible torture. Jesus was described as extremely weak and dehydrated. Ultimately, Jesus died as a result of suffocation. No one can even imagine the intensity of such suffering. But, Jesus’ greatness is not that because he suffered he become so great. What is described by historians is that even with all the pain, Jesus thought of others rather than himself.
This was the true greatness of the person Jesus Christ. His first words from the cross were, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do” He thought of His mother, who stood by the cross weeping, and asked his beloved disciple John to take care of her. This is an example of a perfect leader.
“Srila Prabhupada, like Jesus Christ, also exemplified how to properly discharge one’s duty. Srila Prabhupada was above the modes of material nature. We are all born under the modes of nature, and by religious practice, following in the footsteps of great teachers like Jesus Christ and Srila Prabhupada, our goal is to purify our existence from the contamination of the material modes, and come to the spiritual platform. The death will be the final test, the final exam, and it will determine our next life.
“By association with a pure devotee we may also become pure. But personally I do not recommend taking association with any of the so called leaders or gurus inside or outside of present ISKCON, because they are all conditioned souls. I am also a conditioned soul, so much sinful, but I do not want to contaminate myself even further by taking association with those who are trying to cover the clear light of Srila Prabhupada with their imperfections and impersonal vision. I personally condemn anyone who is preaching that Jesus or Prabhupada are dead and that we must accept a living conditioned soul as our spiritual master who is the only one capable to show us the path of liberation or love of God or Krsna.
"Now some ISKCON “devotees” are even promoting that if their guru is not able to save them in this lifetime he will do it in one of their future lives, when the guru becomes perfect. It is all bogus philosophy and blasphemy against Jesus Christ or Srila Prabhupada’s clear teachings.
“I do not know what can be done in the present ISKCON. I have so much contamination of my own self. I am reading Bhagavad-gita As It Is, by Srila Prabhupada, and I hope by this association with a pure devotee my heart will somehow get little purified so I may get a glimpse of the spiritual vision of Lord Krsna and Srila Prabhupada. I can see here that there are still the disciples and followers of Srila Prabhupada who are sincere and very active -- not silent. They want to serve Srila Prabhupada and help him to spread his mission.
"This I really appreciate, that nothing is completely lost and there is still hope for all of us. Only by the mercy of association with Srila Prabhupada and his sincere disciples and followers the whole world will get purified, of this I am so much convinced.”
(14). It is being seen that even those within ISKCON are accepting the poisoning as a fact, yet, amazingly, they now have some idea that this truth is a great threat, as conveyed in these messages:
“I live two blocks from Dallas temple… devotees here are stating openly that if this truth about Srila Prabhupada becomes known widely it will destroy Hare Krsna movement. I have the opposite opinion, so let us see how I can help.” (Anonymous)
“ISKCON has already been destroyed. The truth will help devotees see just how strong the material illusion really is and should revitalize the mission.” (Anuttama dasi, Sept. 6, 2017)
(15). From an ISKCON devotee via an intermediary:
“If he really wanted to get the GBC, assuming he had a case, he could just go to the relevant police authorities and they would jail the culprits if they were found guilty. Instead he is just blowing hot air. He has no case that is why he doesn’t bring it to the police. He doesn’t need GBC permission to bring it to the police. What he does need is a solid case that is up to standards of evidence in criminal law.
"If he doesn’t have faith that his evidence is good enough for a police investigation then I have no interest in hearing his nonsense anymore. He is not interested in bringing wrong doers to justice he is just interested in attacking his enemies by any means possible. I will believe he is serious about justice when he brings it to the law, until then he is just another liar with an agenda.”
OUR COMMENTS: “Why is "take it to the police" a valid response? Is that what the GBC told the abused children? When the zonal acharya appointment lie was exposed? Why did the GBC investigate the “poison issue” in 1999? Of course, now there is dramatic new evidence that proves the poisoning.
Does the GBC really want the mundane law authorities to meddle in ISKCON's business? They are just using this line because they know that they have a problem, and bluffing in hopes that a 40 year old case of poisoning cannot be legally prosecuted. But it will be, I am told.
The other problem for the deniers is that the truth sticks with intelligent, honest persons, and so many devotees are appreciating the truth of this matter, and the credibility of and support for the ISKCON leadership continues to dwindle until one day soon there will be a revolution. They should consider their support base.
Our job is to bring the unvarnished facts and figures directly to the devotees. The leadership is totally corrupt, unaccountable, unanswerable, defunct, and useless. No one is hoping for any good action from the GBC. They have already covered it all up, denied all the evidence, and are not honest, and could care less about the truth. There is no hope in them doing anything honest.
They hate us because we speak the truth. How could we manufacture all this evidence of Srila Prabhupada's poisoning, which has its own merits? Until they look carefully at the evidence, the 1977 conversations, listen to the 1977 tapes in question, read the books on the subject, they have no idea what they're talking about. Of course, they are not interested in doing this, so they remain ignorant of the facts, although it appears many do not want the facts at all.
Aside from the legal aspect of Srila Prabhupada being poisoned, there are many other issues that arise that no mundane court is capable of addressing.
If poisoners removed Srila Prabhupada to more quickly hijack the movement as the new controllers of the institution, then it only makes sense that all actions, policies, doctrines, and internal legislation that transpired during their illegal regime is to be highly suspected as poisonous as well.
We would be well advised, even if we do not prove to the standards of mundane courts who committed the poisoning, that the mission has been poisoned with the works of demon poisoners. Would this not be a valid concern? That everything since 1977 was effected by Srila Prabhupada’s poisoners who took over as zonal acharyas and the next gurus who could not be questioned?
How is that working out for you guys?
Seems to us that these issues are gaining significant traction more and more every day? Yep, blame the messenger, this does not always work very well. OK you guys slowed us down to some extent, but not actually halted our progress. Yes, all of these issues are being accepted more and more, and will be the "final accepted version of history" eventually.
We also do not care if this issue is officially established in the legal courts of law or not, yes -- most of these issues were never established in legal courts, but the issues are being accepted and established in the courts of public and devotee opinion, and that is where we wanted all this to be solidified anyway. ys pd]
SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS POISONED: WHAT NOW?
We have compiled some interesting comments and questions from (and answers to) those who watched the films from the Truth Committee regarding the evidence and logical conclusions about Srila Prabhupada having been poisoned with cadmium at levels about 250 times above the normal average person. The response has been generally very positive and that the evidence has largely spoken for itself, and that the scientific proof from hair tests and audio forensics is conclusively convincing.
Of course, there are those who have blocked minds or strong emotional hostility, and they invariably have not even understood what the evidence is, and they appear to have no desire to look at it openly. However, judging from the aftermath and responses, it seems the facts and evidence that Srila Prabhupada was indeed poisoned is profoundly changing the way devotees look upon many things, and especially as to what has happened since Srila Prabhupada physically departed forty years ago.
The truth will do whatever it will do. No one has created an agenda to push from manufactured or contrived allegations. The evidence speaks for itself. We should always remember that Srila Prabhupada himself stated three times that he also thought he had been poisoned. And now modern science has confirmed that his statements are accurate and prophetic. What else would we expect from Srila Prabhupada? To say something we should not take seriously, as Tamal suggested?
(1). Gopalacharya das: “So I have watched it. Now, my question is, what is the next step? Will there be some case files against those who are alleged to be the murderers? If there is no follow up by legally charging those people the movie will remain just a conspiratorial documentary that many will disbelieve. Please let me known if there is going to be any legal action taken against those who conspired.”
OUR REPLY: Well, please don't think our committee has all the solutions or such great power to do wonders. But we are able to disseminate the facts and logical conclusions after compiling the evidence, which is compelling. So compelling that I would think anyone who can understand it, or who will look at it closely, can appreciate that this is not a conspiracy of an unfounded idea.
The scientific proof is there, with so much circumstantial evidence as well. But getting a legal threshold established is a tough challenge, although it is in progress now. Meanwhile the effects on the movement from the collective acceptance and realization that senior disciples poisoned Srila Prabhupada, unauthorisedly took his place, and for 40 years injected all sorts of now dubious doctrines into the institution, will eventually change the landscape in dramatic ways now unforeseen. Let the truth do what it will.
(2). Mataji: “I had been trying to think of a way to objectively present this horrific crime to the public because the truth will bring justice. This third video, The Crime of the Millennium, is perfect. I am mailing the attached letter to The Washington Post and The New York Times. As for the LA Times, I was able to submit the letter online. The other entities required filling out a form online which I did today. Thank you for allowing me to help a little. We are going to get this in the mainstream news!”
OUR REPLY: Very nice. We much appreciate your assistance in this matter. You might send your letter to any number of local news outlets, newspapers, talk shows, etc. TV, radio, newspapers and magazines. If somehow you can get it onto UPI, AP, or one of the wire services, the story is picked up worldwide and is then available everywhere as an interesting story. If it's published (syndicated) even by a small newspaper in El Paso, then hundreds of papers around the world will choose that story to fill in their news of some particular day.
Send it to as many as you can, not just one. Once published, then you have story credibility and others will become more interested. Like Oprah Winfrey: she does big stories on people after she discovers them in the news. What difference will it make? We are convinced that the wider the truth is known, the more that Srila Prabhupada’s mission will become rectified.
(3). A. Murty: “Hare Krishna. I don't think you are making a point; it's better we chant the Maha Mantra and be happy.”
ANONYMOUS REPLY: Ignoring this crime? Ignorance is bliss until the Yamadutas take those who choose to ignore and tolerate the crime of the millennium. You can go on chanting decade after decade but it will be offensive chanting and will not produce any Krishna Prema, if God's "best friend" is poisoned and you ignore it. Why would you insult Krishna with this chant and be happy talk? You only care for your own happiness?? That is called sense-gratification.
And if you are giving instructions with your ignorant comment than you are no better than the criminals that try to silence us by telling us to shut up and just chant. We can't be happy until all these criminals get kicked out of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON and we must do our part each of us to make sure this happens. We owe this to Srila Prabupada. Without him we wouldn't even have the Maha-mantra.
(4). In response to Anuttama dasi’ article “Where’s The Outrage?”- Pratyatosh das wrote:
“The ISKCON GBC were criminally negligent by covering up the sexual molesting / raping of hundreds of helpless children who were put in their care by well-meaning parents. They even went so far as to keep this information secret from gurukula headmasters such as myself! Now they are being criminally negligent once again by covering up the proven poisoning of Srila Prabhupada!
Why are they completely silent about this new proof?
Why are they not verifying this new proof by testing Srila Prabhupada's hair samples for themselves, this time for cadmium? They belonged in jail for their child abuse cover-up. Now they again belong in jail for their cover-up of the cruel murder of Srila Prabhupada! Don't they even have a heart?”
OUR COMMENTS: We have no more hope that the ISKCON misleaders will do the right thing, nor guide the ISKCON institution anywhere but the deserts of deviation. They must be removed and the institution should be managed by interim caretakers while the devotees research, study, discuss, and debate what should be done by going back to Square One, as though it were the day after Srila Prabhupada departed.
We must reject everything that has happened since then as the stained works of those who poisoned His Divine grace’s body and mission with doctrines meant to serve their own nefarious ambitions. How can poisoners be accepted as leaders or policy-makers?
(5). An excerpt from Where’s The Outrage? By Anuttama dasi in August 2017:
“The attitude that the murder of Srila Prabhupada is an unfortunate historical fact that has no bearing on the present situation is not only inaccurate, but it is also a symptom of a crime that is even greater than the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada's physical body; the greater crime is the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada's institution, ISKCON. What better way to destroy the most important institution in the world than to gradually add just enough poison that it is almost undetectable, just as they did to Srila Prabhupada's physical body?
“Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world.” --BG16-9. Nityananda das' book, Kill Guru, Become Guru gives a detailed timeline of our spiritual master's last months before his passing, including naming the people who had constant access to him.
Because the poisoning was done over a period of many months, the poisoning had to have been done by someone in the inner circle. Those “inner circle” people are the same people who lied when they told us that Srila Prabhupada had appointed them as pure devotee acaryas. They are the same people whose philosophy and policies have poisoned our spiritual master's institution. Srila Prabhupada warned us that there are demons in the dress of Vaishnavas that we need to avoid.”
(6). “Srila Prabhupada is just like the savior of the world. His greatness cannot be stressed enough. These rakshasas... killing him slowly, softly, silently... are so sneaky. Deceiving and killing is done by snake-people who falsely project whatever seems expected to infiltrate, like HIV does. The lineages within ISKCON connected to the Cadmium Club need now to denounce and disavow the criminals to not be taken as part of the crime cover-up.
Prabhupada was stolen away, and so was his ISKCON. When we pray together to Mahaprabhu that the dark curse be lifted and ISKCON again become a place of trust and devotion, He may find a way to fulfill His devotees desires. As bhaktas we know that it is up to Krishna to let the real followers of Srila Prabhupada restore order in the House of Prabhupada.
If we don't go thru with this clean-up, the secret of the poison that killed Srila Prabhupada will become ISKCON's mortal cancer. Our love and admiration for The Global Archarya drives the movement to make ISKCON trusted again. Let the winds of Truth sweep ISKCON clean.” (Ram das)
(7). “What do you tell someone who says that they are not interested in poison issue since it happened 40 years ago (even if true) and that it just creates a disturbance to their devotional service? How to explain to them that they are in maya by remaining in blissful ignorance? Why are so many "devotees "disturbed by this but not by the lies of GBC?
Varnasrama means truthfulness of the brahmins and justice by ksatriyas, doesn't it? Not audacious vaisya gurus, sudra GBC and caste Prabhupada disciples and slave like rank and file all rejecting the truth. They always clamor Vaishnava aparadha as a threat but what about aparadha to Srila Prabhupada?” (Mahatma das, Europe)
(8). “Thank you a million times for speaking out and showing all the proof of Srila Prabhupada,'s poisoning by the large dose of cadmium. Thank you for your courage in making the video " KIll Guru, Become Guru", I pray you keep safe from the guilty ones. The leaders of is gone seem to be trying to ignore everything. Is there to be criminal prosecution of those involved? Your servant, Labangalatika dd”
REPLY: Thank you, prabhu. Maybe there will be a criminal investigation. We are trying. But main thing is that all devotees should come to understand the fact that those who poisoned Srila Prabhupada to take his place as gurus are still running ISKCON today... That alone will eventually have major effects.
(9). From the heart of Texas, in Dallas:
“Now the history book is partially released and I am nearly finished with first part...the details and depth are amazing. How can you find so much information? The effects are not known now but Lord Krishna surely has a plan for Srila Prabhupada to speak and purify ISKCON. Here in Dallas the ISKCON devotees have a radio station at AM 700 full time bhakti radio .Recently I heard the Dallas temple president state that the problem with thousands of pages of your writing is that it will harm ISKCON.
He is not saying that anything is not true. He is stating that you are trying to destroy the Hare Krishna movement. He simply wants to keep his retirement account. Maybe many will believe this now? The report on ISKCON history is having some effect or he would not mention this on public radio. Possibly if we can have some syndicated TV CBS, NBC do a non-fiction mystery show on Srila Prabhupada's departing, then more devotees and the public will be interested. Now the evidence is perfectly presented and Krishna has some plan. I will try to find some investigative reporters who can push forward what you have documented.”
REPLY: Yes, there are at least five other devotees also working on this. Good plan.
(10). From Rasamanjari dasi, Fiji: “Srila Prabhupada says: "That is my only request. That at the last stage, don't torture me and put to death. " He felt the need to say such a thing to address what he realized was the actual situation. Srila Prabhupada never spoke without purpose.”
(11). From RedRockRishis: “It is possible. After all, it is Kali-yuga. Now, there is so much chaos going on in ISKCON, at different levels. Even the present GBC chairman recently shared the same concern, of many "fires" going on in the institution. I have personal experience also, of persons, devotees, members of the North American GBC, using deceit, corruption, and outright lying, to achieve their personal agenda.
I am shocked by this kind of corrupt infiltration, seeping into Srila Prabhupada's glorious Movement. When it comes down to it, proof is proof. Where is the "proof" that Srila Prabhupada was NOT poisoned? I for one, am completely open to see it. As they say, seeing is believing.”
(12). “You have really proved the case beyond question I think. At least for any reasonable devotee and that's really all that matters. GREAT JOB. We all owe the Truth Committee. We all owe you so much that it is not possible for us to repay you any way except with our sincere thank you. ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA!”
(13). “Srila Prabhupada’s final pastime very closely reminds me with that of Jesus Christ, as I was born Christian. Like Jesus on the cross Srila Prabhupada’s body was “nailed” to his bed and suffered numerous days of horrible torture. Jesus was described as extremely weak and dehydrated. Ultimately, Jesus died as a result of suffocation. No one can even imagine the intensity of such suffering. But, Jesus’ greatness is not that because he suffered he become so great. What is described by historians is that even with all the pain, Jesus thought of others rather than himself.
This was the true greatness of the person Jesus Christ. His first words from the cross were, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do” He thought of His mother, who stood by the cross weeping, and asked his beloved disciple John to take care of her. This is an example of a perfect leader.
“Srila Prabhupada, like Jesus Christ, also exemplified how to properly discharge one’s duty. Srila Prabhupada was above the modes of material nature. We are all born under the modes of nature, and by religious practice, following in the footsteps of great teachers like Jesus Christ and Srila Prabhupada, our goal is to purify our existence from the contamination of the material modes, and come to the spiritual platform. The death will be the final test, the final exam, and it will determine our next life.
“By association with a pure devotee we may also become pure. But personally I do not recommend taking association with any of the so called leaders or gurus inside or outside of present ISKCON, because they are all conditioned souls. I am also a conditioned soul, so much sinful, but I do not want to contaminate myself even further by taking association with those who are trying to cover the clear light of Srila Prabhupada with their imperfections and impersonal vision. I personally condemn anyone who is preaching that Jesus or Prabhupada are dead and that we must accept a living conditioned soul as our spiritual master who is the only one capable to show us the path of liberation or love of God or Krsna.
"Now some ISKCON “devotees” are even promoting that if their guru is not able to save them in this lifetime he will do it in one of their future lives, when the guru becomes perfect. It is all bogus philosophy and blasphemy against Jesus Christ or Srila Prabhupada’s clear teachings.
“I do not know what can be done in the present ISKCON. I have so much contamination of my own self. I am reading Bhagavad-gita As It Is, by Srila Prabhupada, and I hope by this association with a pure devotee my heart will somehow get little purified so I may get a glimpse of the spiritual vision of Lord Krsna and Srila Prabhupada. I can see here that there are still the disciples and followers of Srila Prabhupada who are sincere and very active -- not silent. They want to serve Srila Prabhupada and help him to spread his mission.
"This I really appreciate, that nothing is completely lost and there is still hope for all of us. Only by the mercy of association with Srila Prabhupada and his sincere disciples and followers the whole world will get purified, of this I am so much convinced.”
(14). It is being seen that even those within ISKCON are accepting the poisoning as a fact, yet, amazingly, they now have some idea that this truth is a great threat, as conveyed in these messages:
“I live two blocks from Dallas temple… devotees here are stating openly that if this truth about Srila Prabhupada becomes known widely it will destroy Hare Krsna movement. I have the opposite opinion, so let us see how I can help.” (Anonymous)
“ISKCON has already been destroyed. The truth will help devotees see just how strong the material illusion really is and should revitalize the mission.” (Anuttama dasi, Sept. 6, 2017)
(15). From an ISKCON devotee via an intermediary:
“If he really wanted to get the GBC, assuming he had a case, he could just go to the relevant police authorities and they would jail the culprits if they were found guilty. Instead he is just blowing hot air. He has no case that is why he doesn’t bring it to the police. He doesn’t need GBC permission to bring it to the police. What he does need is a solid case that is up to standards of evidence in criminal law.
"If he doesn’t have faith that his evidence is good enough for a police investigation then I have no interest in hearing his nonsense anymore. He is not interested in bringing wrong doers to justice he is just interested in attacking his enemies by any means possible. I will believe he is serious about justice when he brings it to the law, until then he is just another liar with an agenda.”
OUR COMMENTS: “Why is "take it to the police" a valid response? Is that what the GBC told the abused children? When the zonal acharya appointment lie was exposed? Why did the GBC investigate the “poison issue” in 1999? Of course, now there is dramatic new evidence that proves the poisoning.
Does the GBC really want the mundane law authorities to meddle in ISKCON's business? They are just using this line because they know that they have a problem, and bluffing in hopes that a 40 year old case of poisoning cannot be legally prosecuted. But it will be, I am told.
The other problem for the deniers is that the truth sticks with intelligent, honest persons, and so many devotees are appreciating the truth of this matter, and the credibility of and support for the ISKCON leadership continues to dwindle until one day soon there will be a revolution. They should consider their support base.
Our job is to bring the unvarnished facts and figures directly to the devotees. The leadership is totally corrupt, unaccountable, unanswerable, defunct, and useless. No one is hoping for any good action from the GBC. They have already covered it all up, denied all the evidence, and are not honest, and could care less about the truth. There is no hope in them doing anything honest.
They hate us because we speak the truth. How could we manufacture all this evidence of Srila Prabhupada's poisoning, which has its own merits? Until they look carefully at the evidence, the 1977 conversations, listen to the 1977 tapes in question, read the books on the subject, they have no idea what they're talking about. Of course, they are not interested in doing this, so they remain ignorant of the facts, although it appears many do not want the facts at all.
Aside from the legal aspect of Srila Prabhupada being poisoned, there are many other issues that arise that no mundane court is capable of addressing.
If poisoners removed Srila Prabhupada to more quickly hijack the movement as the new controllers of the institution, then it only makes sense that all actions, policies, doctrines, and internal legislation that transpired during their illegal regime is to be highly suspected as poisonous as well.
We would be well advised, even if we do not prove to the standards of mundane courts who committed the poisoning, that the mission has been poisoned with the works of demon poisoners. Would this not be a valid concern? That everything since 1977 was effected by Srila Prabhupada’s poisoners who took over as zonal acharyas and the next gurus who could not be questioned?
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