[PADA: The Gaudiya Matha folks, ok like Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja, Tripurari swami, Jagat Guru swami and similar others-- all preach a similar idea, there is no real way of describing how the jeeva souls originally fall down. Even Gaura Govinda Maharaja hitched his wagon to this parade. One thing they all agree upon for sure, the fallen jeeva souls were not with Krishna originally. Ooops, but Srila Prabhupada says we all originated in Krishna's leela or sport.
Here we see a follower of Narayana Maharaja, named Prem Prayojana, saying that the fall of the soul is inconceivable. OK, we just sort of happenstance into the material ocean? This is of course how the mayavadas talk all the time, "this is inconceivable, that is inconceivable," and all these universes full of fallen souls are sort of happening for some unknown cause or reason.
What is the actual cause of the fall of the jeeva? They don't know, and they'll tell us they do not know. Ooops, but Srila Prabhupada says there is a good reason we fell here, and its very simple, we were once part of the regular Vaikuntha society, we broke the laws of that society -- mainly we became envious of Krishna -- and we wanted to enjoy separate from Him, so we had to go to Krishna's jail (the material world).
Srila Prabhupada says this process is just like the mundane USA society: People can live in the regular society, but when they break the law, then they have to go to prison. So we were living with Krishna, we broke the "house rules" and we wanted to be separate and independent of Krishna, so we had to fall to here. Why is this process inconceivable?
And one of the people who is involved with these folks is trying to tell us that these fallen souls are originally all coming from Maha Vishnu, and we originated in a sleep state within the body of Maha Vishnu. Nope. Srila Prabhupada says that Maha Vishnu is in charge of the RASCAL fallen souls. How come these guys think that we started out at birth, as rascals? That means Krishna made these rascal souls at their birth and origin, so He is the source of evil souls? Krishna is making evil babies, at their birth and original status?
Nope! Krishna makes all souls pure and originated with Him, but some later on CHOOSE to become independent. Anyway, this is the problem with these folks, they seem to have no clear idea of even the most basic points of the siddhanta. ys pd]
Yes, I heard that Prem Prayojana supports the idea that Srila Prabhupada is in gopi or manjari bhava, and the other Narayana Maharaja camp -- that says Srila Prabhupada is sakhya rasa (a cowherd boy) has opposed him.
ReplyDeleteAnd we heard that some of his opponents have "made threats of violence" against him. Yep, its seems some of the same types of fanatical moods generated by the GBC are happening there. For the record, we think he is on the right side of this issue.
At the same time, if Srila Prabhupada is a pure devotee, as they all seem to agree he is, why would he appoint 11 conditioned souls as his guru successors? How can conditioned souls take the post of acharyas, i.e. manjari or other bhava states? And why has NM supported the idea that these 11 were "appointed" as gurus? ys pd
Right, a big problem with all these Gaudiya Matha people is that they think conditioned souls, whether the 11 GBC they rubber stamped in 1978 as gurus, or others, are able to absorb sins like Jesus. So they rubber stamped gurus in 1936, rubber stamped the GBC as gurus in 1978, rubber stamped themselves as gurus -- as Tripurari swami, Jagat guru swami and many others are doing, and they think that these conditioned people are equal to Jesus and they can act as diksha gurus and absorb the sins of others. They have no idea what is actually a pure devotee and how pure devotees are able to free others of sins and so on. They think conditioned people are equals to pure devotee, and that is the main defect of their idea. ys pd
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