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Kim Moller (Bhatka Torben / Ajit Krishna dasa etc.) is still saying that Srila Prabhupada is not the guru, because his disciples will be the guru. And Bhakti Vikas swami is one of these gurus. OK and BVKS is a big supporter of the molester messiahs project in Mayapur, and is an apologist for Bhakti Vidya Purna swami. Why can't these people get out of the molester messiah's camp in 45 years? ys pd

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Art by PADA

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Secret retreat of Radhanath Swami in Ukraine.

Dear devotees, please accept our obeisances. Glory to Srila Prabhupada!
Please do not post this information on social networks. And be sure to send urgently in local chats, in namahats, and to all devotees from small towns near yours.

We have another wonderful opportunity to communicate with exalted devotees.
A retreat with the participation of HH Radhanath Swami, HH Bhakti Vijnana Goswami, HG Achyuta Priya Prabhu and HG Madhavananda Prabhu will take place in Chernivtsi from 7 to 10 August.

The retreat will take place at the address: Chernivtsi, Heavenly Hundred str. 6, regional Chernivtsi Youth School

So, August 6 is the day of arrival and registration (on this day, according to tradition, we plan to distribute kichri all day), and August 11 is the departure.
Registration.

This will not be a retreat only for the disciples of HH Radhanatha Swami or HH Bhakti Vijnana Goswami. We invite everyone to plunge into the atmosphere of kirtan, Krishna Katha and magnificent Prasad.

We need to understand how many devotees will come to this retreat, so we ask everyone who plans to come to register as soon as possible using this link:
https://forms.gle/QZbsWUanCaYWnNBq8

For those who do not understand Ukrainian, all lectures will be duplicated into Russian and English. You will be able to hear this translation in the FM receiver. So if you need a translation, make sure that you have an FM receiver and headphones in your phone or just with you.

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Back To Prabhupada, Issue 75, Vol. 4, 2022


We have already comprehensively exposed the guru hoax and proven that Srila Prabhupada did not authorise his succession via GBC gurus, many times over. We can now report that it is also admitted by a GBC guru himself that they are indeed hoaxers as they are not in any case real gurus! All emphases added.

Follow Srila Prabhupada's books

GBC voted-in ISKCON guru HG Mahatma Dasa MAD explains how in ISKCON we can satisfy the spiritual master:

"Prabhupada is saying, "You just satisfy the spiritual master, your life will be perfect" [...] Prabhupada is getting very specific here, that it means pleasing the spiritual master, and, of course, for us in ISKCON that means our goal is to understand what Prabhupada wants, understand bhakti as he's given it in his books and follow it exactly." (MAD Lecture, 9/9/22)

1) To satisfy the spiritual master would obviously entail knowing what the spiritual master wants. But MAD admits that this entails knowing what Srila Prabhupada wants, which would mean that MAD is "unwittingly" admitting that it is Srila Prabhupada who is the spiritual master we must accept in ISKCON.

2) He further states that we must follow what Srila Prabhupada gives in his books "exactly".

We are not real gurus

Having stated that we must follow "exactly" what is in Srila Prabhupada's books, MAD had also admitted the day before in an initiation lecture – where he was claiming to act as a bona fide diksa guru by initiating disciples – that in these same books it states that:


"in The Nectar of Instruction it says, "Well, you know, unless you're an uttama-adhikari, you're not really, you know, you're not really a 'real guru'"
(MAD, Initiation Lecture, 8/9/22)

MAD is correct that in The Nectar of Instruction, it states that "One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari" (NoI, Verse 5). So, to follow Srila Prabhupada's books "exactly" as MAD claims we should, all those gurus who are not uttama-adhikaris should be rejected as not being "real" gurus. MAD accepts that this would mean all the GBC gurus such as himself, since he then goes on to admit that:

"but we never proposed to be the real thing."

Thus, MAD openly admits that the GBC gurus like himself are not real gurus. Indeed, they were not even meant to be! Which would then by default mean that it is Srila Prabhupada who is the real guru we should follow, which we also quoted MAD "unwittingly" admitting to in the last section.

Thus, according to his own statement that we should follow Srila Prabhupada's books exactly, it would mean that the GBC gurus are acting against Srila Prabhupada's teachings by acting as diksa gurus. Because, the diksa guru is a "real guru", and Srila Prabhupada has forbidden non-uttama-adhikaris to act as such diksa gurus, and MAD accepts that means the GBC gurus.

Fake order

To try to justify how GBC gurus could still be diksa gurus in spite of this instruction from Srila Prabhupada forbidding such unreal gurus, MAD then claims:

"but we never proposed to be the real thing. We're just asked to do this by Prabhupada, so what he says, we do, and our goal is just to help you get closer to Prabhupada, and then everything's good, right?"
(MAD, Initiation Lecture, 8/9/22)

Having already admitted that –

1) GBC gurus are not real gurus;

2) And that Srila Prabhupada states that such persons should not be gurus

– MAD contradictorily states that Srila Prabhupada still ordered them to become diksa gurus anyway!

However, MAD does not provide any evidence for such an order from Srila Prabhupada. Indeed, one would not expect such an order to exist because Srila Prabhupada would not contradict his own teachings by authorising such fake, unreal, illusory gurus.

We were stupid and confused.

MAD explains how, as soon as Srila Prabhupada physically departed, Srila Prabhupada was replaced as ISKCON's diksa guru:

"even immediately, when Srila Prabhupada left, 11 people became gurus, and these, there were now 11 pure devotees in ISKCON, before there was only one. That's the way we thought, and you're looking at this thinking, "That's stupid, how could you think like that?" Well, we were confused. [...] when Prabhupada left, what we thought we knew, became confusing. [...] that was a big misunderstanding." (MAD Lecture, 9/9/22)

MAD describes how the 11 persons Srila Prabhupada had appointed as "rtviks" – via the 9/7/77 directive – gave up acting in that role by magically transmogrifying into 11 diksa guru "pure devotees". MAD admits that this episode was mired in "confusion" and "misunderstanding". Thus, since MAD admits they did not know what they were doing, they could not also have known that Srila Prabhupada definitely wanted the 11 rtviks to stop being rtviks and suddenly become "pure devotees". 

In other words, they misunderstood what they were supposed to be, so MAD cannot say they did not misunderstand what they were supposed to be (i.e. only rtviks)!

Hence, MAD can support neither that Srila Prabhupada was to be succeeded as ISKCON's diksa guru, nor that Srila Prabhupada ordered that he be replaced with gurus who were not "real". And so only the fact that neither MAD nor the other GBC gurus are "real" gurus – remains.

Conclusion

MAD is to be commended for admitting that the GBC gurus are not real and were not even meant to be. Thus, this means that the GBC guru system consists of fake gurus – since if you are not a "real" guru then by definition it means you are an unreal or fake guru.

But, MAD's idea that Srila Prabhupada actually contradicted the teachings he gave in his books – which MAD says must be followed "exactly" and which state that only real uttama-adhikari gurus should exist – by ordering fake gurus, is, well – MAD!

In addition, these fake gurus still insist on cheating by masquerading as if they are real gurus, and thus taking disciples from whom they demand absolute surrender and worship as if they are as good as God. A subject further developed in the next article.

PADA: We did not know what we were doing, so we decided to make the holy dham an Auschwitz for kids program, and make a homosexual pedophile messiah's program, and ban, beat, molest, sue and kill people. And we are still harassing and banning people now. Any questions? 

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Girl Baby Problem / Chakravarti / Prithu / Tamohara 08 05

Let us welcome girl babies:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/where-no-one-wanted-girls-141125090.html

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PHOTOS -- Left: Chakravarti (Peter Kaufmann) -- Right: Prithu (Peter Brinkmann)

There is another German website which has a recent photo of Chakravarti (Peter Kaufmann) and his wife Dinasharana (Dietlinde Kaufmann) from 2016.

There is also an online article - "Who is who? - in New Vrindaban" -- 

Who is who? - in New Vrindaban - all names are revealed (harekrsna.org)

The Enforcers

Chakravarti das, Peter Kaufmann / Chakravarti Swami/ chuck swa /

first he separated from his wife Dinasarana dasi and took sannyasa from Kirtanananda -- and then broke his sannyasa (fell down with illicit sex) and went back to his wife. Former Hansadutta "go to" guy for getting things done, palace press, actually made serious numbers with "pure book distribution", married to the dragon-lady, his son (Harikirtan) was molested by Gopinath das, Kirtananandas bag man, Ronald Nay.

Dina Sarana dasi, Dietlinde Kaufmann / "the nazi" lady /

Chakravarti's wife, she is a former Hans Kary (Hansadutta) loyalist from the "Mien Kampfa" days, Kirtanananda Swami's women sanyassi program reject (don't try this at home, ladies), rehooked with chuck swa, after he had fallen from sannyasa, currently holding the "feed germany first" banner, and let's not have any more puny coins in the collections!

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PHOTO 2016 -- Dinasharana (Dietlinde Kaufmann) -- wife of Chakravarti

Chakravarti das and Dinasarana devi (and the remnants of Hansadutta's outlaw band from the left coast) printed a position statement of the "Prabhupada disciples" living at NV. They purported "the largest community of Prabhupada disciples in the world", when, in fact at each initiation, everyone was forced to "renew their vows", only this time it was to Kirtanananda Swami and not everyone was all that willing to do that. 

The once thriving community of over 700 devotees was hard pressed to find enough pujaris to change The Deities clothes. 35 people a day at mangal arti was an average during the transition back to ISKCON fundamentalism from Kirtanananda Swami's interfaith experiment.

Chakravarti took Sannyasa from Kirtanananda and had sex with another women while parading around as a Sannyasi, while Dinasarana (his ex-wife) was busy with managing Kirtananandas Guesthouse, neglecting her children, who where dumped at the gurukula and abused.

After they had to flee from New Vrindavan (because of their criminal activities) they came to Germany to play the big Prabhupada disciple game in order to take over the German yatra, just amazing. They thought, no one in Germany knows about their dark New Vrindavan history.

Haribol.

PADA: Yep, a lot of these guys just move on to fresh areas to exploit after they burn out where they are stationed now. ys pd

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I started the Hare Krishna Movement!

Tamohara seems to have lost the last 

little marble rolling around his head.

Amala Prema DD Writes GBC

PADA: Looks like Ramesvara is back in the saddle again in Mayapur. Didn't he protect the whole Mayapur regime when he was a guru? Wasn't he cited for "dating a minor aged female disciple"?

Anyway, more devotees are asking good questions -- like: how can we preach that the Vedic idea is to protect cows, women, children, brahmanas and the elders, when ISKCON has a terrible track record of doing any of that? Oh goody, they are going to make a committee to discuss all this in 2024, after thousands of people have been burnt to toast already for the past 45 years. ys pd 

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Let us ask the GBC Executive Committee about the recommendations by Navina Krishna Prabhu, the CEO of Avanti schools in England, about improving the safety of children at ISKCON schools and preventing child abuse.

Here is what a very concerned senior devotee from Bosnia wrote to the GBC EC.

Below you can see emails of the current EC members:

Revati Raman das

Guru Prasad Swami

Tapana Mishra das

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From: Amala Prema dd Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023, 14:52

Subject: Child protection

To: <Guru.Prasad.Swami@pamho.net>

Cc: <tmd.bvks@iskconservices.org>, <revati.raman.tpt@gmail.com>

Dear prabhus and maharaja,

please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

My name is Amala Prema devi dasi. I live and serve in Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina. I joined ISKCON in 1995, when I was 19. I graduated from the Faculty of Political Sciences, majoring in Journalism and used my professional knowledge to preach Krishna consciousness philosophy in the media in my country. That was and still is my main service, although I have also distributed Srila Prabhupada's books in the Monthly Sankirtan Festival, when my household duties permitted that.

Below is the letter about your commitment to child protection. I would like to ask all of you if the implementation of the recommendations started? If yes, how far along is it? The issue of child protection is extremely important, as if it is not implemented then it directly undermines the efforts of all of us who are preaching. How can I quote Srila Prabhupada about protection of children, women, brahmanas, cows and the elderly in media interviews if the movement he founded and based on his books fails to provide exactly that?

Journalists often ask me about the position of women in our movement.

What am I to say if they are not protected? How can I suggest people take up Krishna consciousness and join ISKCON if there is no safety for the ladies? Then it looks like a farce.

As a mother, I am deeply disturbed by the atrocious crimes that happened in the gurukulas, although my sons never attended them. Child abuse was exactly the reason that made me categorically decide against
enrolling my sons in them. My concern and sorrow is for the children who did and do attend gurukulas. I first heard of the abuse in 1997, but not about the full nature and extent of it. Having recently
learned more details about it I would like to ask you another question that is related to the whole matter.

Why weren't the perpetrators of those terrible crimes of rape and physical assault ever reported to the police and the judicial system? Isn't it included in the ISKCON Law Book that ISKCON must comply with the laws of the country it is located in? Even if at the time of the crimes there was no law for protection of children against rape and abuse in India, why weren't the perpetrators reported to police in
their native countries? That is legally possible.

If ISKCON fails to provide true and strong protection to its children and women, then it is at great risk to lose a lot of its members. Devotees do not wish to hear about protection of women, children, cows, brahmanas and the elderly only in the books, they want to see it in practice. Otherwise, what we read in Srila Prabhupada's books becomes just a theory, like a nice fairy tale from a bygone era, and ISKCON cannot be an alternative to the mundane society. We, as a society, lose the moral ground to invite people to our temples, centres, programmes and festivals if there is no safety for everybody, especially the weakest members such as children and women. 

And justice for the victims. Not to mention that our shastras give examples of punishment to child abusers, such as Ashvattama. The greatest shock that I experienced in reading the details of abuse
was when I learned that some initiating gurus and sannyasis asked for the abuser Alan Wexler (I will not use his spiritual name, as I believe he does not deserve it) to be reinstated as the Mayapur Gurukula principal in 2000, after the two reports from different time periods about his physical beating of the children. 

How can those who preach dharma support adharmic individual and put him into a position of a child educator and carer? Aren't sannyasis supposed to be renounced and make decisions based on knowledge and dharma and not personal, emotional attachments? Wasn't this Arjuna's dilemma in Bhagavad Gita as it is, that those sannyasis and gurus are teaching the rest of us?

I hope that by implementing those recommendations you will save the children in schools now and Srila Prabhupada's legacy. 

your servant
Amala Prema devi dasi

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Dear Devotees,

Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

In pursuance of our commitment to dealing robustly with child protection, in December 2022, the GBC Body authorized an independent review of the governance and leadership in the Mayapur and Vrindavan gurukulas. The report was submitted to us in February, and since then, we have met the review team members to discuss their findings. We now share this report with you in its entirety original and complete form.

The report is candid in its critique of our governance and leadership at school, regional and international levels. We are making this report public in the spirit of transparency and to reassure devotees that we are treating this matter very seriously.

We will now be working diligently with the review team and others to coordinate the specifics of what will constitute "Phase Two" and move matters forward with the implementation of the report recommendations. We do not yet have a defined timescale for Phase Two, but we expect that the
entire process will be delivered by the March 2024 GBC Annual General Meeting in Sridham Mayapur. We recognize that devotees around the world will be keen to be kept informed as matters proceed, and we will endeavor to provide updates whenever practical.

Hare Krsna,

Your servants,

Revati Raman Das

Guru Prasad Swami

Tapana Misra Das,

GBC Executive Committee

Bhakti Vikas swami Speaks on ISKCON Child Abuse 08 03

https://dasimusic.com/praise-from-sinead-oconner/?

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PADA: Sorry, I never said that a gap in the system is eternal, nor does that make sense -- since Krishna Himself says He has to come to restart the system periodically. That means the gaps are not eternal. 

Sorry, I never said that the gaps are eternal. I also never said there was "a final order," nor have you provided any quotes where Srila Prabhupada says he is giving any final orders, or where I said he gave any final order. The July 9th letter simply restates what he said all along, some people will act as representatives. 

Sorry, I have never said there was any final order, nor did Srila Prabhupada, so I think you are confusing me with someone else. A representative could be called an agent, a proxy, a preacher, a priest, a ritvik, or a shiksha devotee, or other terms, these are basically interchanged terms used by Srila Prabhupada to describe the non-realized persons, who could be called by various names. 

Srila Prabhupada said there would only be a Governing Body, and do not go to the Gaudiya Matha and make premature diksha gurus. First rattle out of the box? In 1978 the GBC went to Sridhara Maharaja. 

Meanwhile no one explains why the appointment tape, July 9th letter, and actually all of the collections of letters, as well as the 1977 conversations, were kept hidden and not made public. I also complained that we cannot offer bhogha to conditioned souls in 1978, and Srila Prabhupada personally told me that is the only acceptable process. ys pd

JJP: OK the GBC guru is supposedly in good standing, but since most of their gurus blooped, who among them is even left standing at all? And then, who is in good standing?

PADA: A neophyte devotee who is in good standing will lose his good standing when he tries to imitate the acharyas. I was considered as in bad standing because I was opposing the false acharyas, and I got banned from ISKCON. Of course the Jayapataka people later on complained that I helped ISKCON lose $100,000,000 because I helped various child mistreatment lawsuits, the Karnataka lawsuit, the BBTI lawsuit and other lawsuits. That is because they did not want to operate things in a proper mature and responsible management process, and so they got into all sorts of problems with their false situation. Then they forced ISKCON to be responsible for their mess by bankrupting the society. ys pd

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PADA: Prabhu, The children were taking their lives at the time, it was an emergency situation. Simultaneously, Bhakti Vidya Purna was co-managing Mayapur gurukula and we had to stop people from sending their kids there. And we did, hundreds of kids were pulled out, or were not sent there, because of the lawsuit. Bangalore simply agrees with me, we cannot worship a guru parampara that contains drunks, debauchees, predators and molesters. Nor can we worship the people who enable and support a guru parampara that contains such deviated people. Why would I tell people to offer their bhogha to conditioned souls, when Srila Prabhupada told me personally -- it has to be offered in the system he gave, or it is never accepted by Krishna. Who would you recommend I tell our people to offer their bhogha to instead? 

In 1978 BVKS agreed that we should offer bhogha to Jayatirtha, and he supported that system. That means people are eating bhogha, it is not accepted. I am not making any hurdles, I told the GBC in 1979 that the children will suffer if they are forced to worship conditioned souls, and they will reject the religion, and there are hundreds of ex-kids here in California who avoid ISKCON like the plague. I did not make this process, or these hurdles, rather I warned them. Yes, whole big chunk of GBC went to NM en masse, that means they are deviated people and not gurus. NM was in Texas telling people I was bogus for objecting to their rasika program, and I was in Texas arranging a lawsuit to save the lives of the victims who were taking their lives. I should not have had to do that at all. Bangalore has made a nice temple here, while the local GBC has started a Yoga class with women in Yoga pants. They are making this into a business. I told BVKS my life was in danger from all this, and he just smiled. The Feds were monitoring me and they had to save me when their goons came to get me. He has no authority to support a regime that is trying to take me out permanently. ys pd

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Bhakti Vikas Swami speaks:

Regarding Child Abuse

Transcript of a talk given by Bhakti Vikasa Swami on 27 August 2016 in Brno, Czech Republic.

http://13.235.60.199/11818/

Slightly edited for clarity.

…The whole world is full of so much contamination. Inevitably some of that comes into our Krsna consciousness movement. It is difficult to say what is the most horrible thing going on the world. Massive cow slaughter? The killing of even one cow is despicable, what to speak of massive, worldwide organized cow slaughter and meat sales. Maybe as bad as or even worse than … no one seems to care about it.

Practically every day nowadays there is a terrorist attack somewhere in the world. It comes up in the news, twenty people killed. But if you take all the living entities killed daily, there are literally millions; cows, pigs, birds, fish, goats, lamb all put together, must be millions. Cow slaughter, terrorism, these are the horrible things in the world today. Human trafficking, there are various kinds of human trafficking. Human trafficking means selling people, moving them around to sell them, especially girls are kidnapped and sold into prostitution. There are whole organized businesses going on with them.

PADA: That is what some of the victims of the BVKS program have said, we were part of an organized child abuse program. In fact Praghosa has said the BVKS gurukula program has been "industrial levels of child abuse."

There are many horrible things going on the world. One of them which is widespread in the modern world and has also severely impacted ISKCON is child abuse. Although within our society now there are all kinds of systems that are meant to prevent that, it seems that it is impossible to totally prevent. Even if the systems were to be fully followed, it would be difficult to prevent. There is one particular issue in this regard I wish to speak upon: Recently, a film was released on the internet, which highlighted some of the past and present child abuse cases in ISKCON.

PADA: The "system" of ISKCON is -- from our experience -- to drive out the people complaining about the molesting and keep the leaders of the molester messiah's regime in place, like BVKS and his sannyasa guru Jayapataka.

One of the cases highlighted was involving HH Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami, who is behind the gurukula in Mayapur. There are many schools around the world in ISKCON that are called gurukula, but that’s practically the only real gurukula inasmuch as its whole and sole focus is to train children to become devotees. Devotees under my guidance, in the last few years, have also started gurukulas. We can say gurukula but that (in Mayapura) is the only well established one.

PADA: Yep, it is the ISKCON flagship operation and therefore everyone should have been focused on keeping it safe for children, bare minimum standard.

This film highlighted how Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami is known to be or certified by the ISKCON Child Protection Office (CPO) to be a child abuser. For some things which happened many years ago, twenty five – thirty years ago. There is no record of him being engaged in pedophilia, but he was judged to have been very harsh in punishing some of the boys. And there was pedophilia going on; some of the boys were themselves engaging in homosex. And apparently he knew about this and didn’t take steps to prevent it. So in this film it was said that why was he allowed to be engaged with children at all after this?

I don’t want to be an apologist for child abuse in any way or any form. I saw that gurukula thirty or so years ago, in which Anirdesya-vapu Prabhu, the brahmachari, who later became knows as Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami. He was there but he really didn’t have any…, he had very little authority, practically no say in how the school was run, which boys were accepted, anything. So there was no training, no oversight, no guidance. Just there are the boys, do something. When I say, no training, there was no training for him.

PADA: Good question. Where is the oversight for ISKCON? When we said there is a problem with children worshiping deviants as their acharyas, and being abused, we got booted out by BVKS's sannyasa guru Jayapataka. If the persons attempting oversight are banned, beaten, sued and exiled, or worse, then what?

This all happened many years ago, and see what he has done in the meantime. Anyone who wants to blame him should go and see what he has done in Mayapur, and speak to the many young men who went there as young boys and are very very happy that they did so. 

PADA: Where are the second generation children now? Almost none of them participate in ISKCON these days. There are maybe over a hundred here in San Francisco area, and they boycott ISKCON.

Many boys who graduated from that school never want to leave it and want to stay in Mayapur for the rest of their life. 

PADA: Umm, nope. Some of the ex-kids who were being beaten and raped there told me they were praying every day that they would die, to escape being there. Many of these ex-kids, or most of them, have totally abandoned ISKCON for the rest of their lives.

Two of the older boys, they are not boys now, they are married and have children, they have taken up very responsible posts in the development of the Mayapur project. Your own Pritivardhana Prabhu, from Czech Republic, who you know very well, is overseeing the school there. With practically no support and nothing, even though he was under much blame, Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami has developed that gurukula and he has done something wonderful.

PADA: Why is there practically no support and nothing for the children, but there is a spare $100,000,000 for lawsuits according to the Jayapataka people who attacked me for helping lawsuits. What does it say when the big gurus are living like jet set Saudi princes, and the children in their care have "no support and nothing for them"?

In that film the question is asked, why is he allowed to be involved with children? Well, there is the answer, go and see. We might also consider one statement of Krsna’s in the Bhagavad-gita (9.30): api cet su-duracaro, bhajate mam ananya-bhak / sadhur eva sa mantavyah, samyag vyavasito hi sah. Even if one commits abominable activities, if his resolution is to serve Me only, such a person, Krsna says, must be considered a sadhu. Do we want to edit this out of Bhagavad-gita? Is there some crime which is unforgivable?

PADA: Well yeah, child abusers, and their enablers like Jayapataka, should not be allowed to roam freely around ISKCON, that is just common sense.

The reason I am particularly bringing this up here is because, so I am told, some of my disciples are disturbed that I don’t want Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami shot or hanged or hung upside down or removed from the position or shamed or whatever. Apparently some of my disciples are disturbed that I have any sympathy whatsoever. I have stated my position in this regard and my disciples and anyone else can form their own opinion in this regard, as they like. So if you like you can hang or shoot me also.

PADA: Yep we support a child molester regime, and that is just your tough beans if you object. We also ban, beat, molest, sue and assassinate dissenters. Any questions?

Questions and Answers:

Q: Devotees would like to educate their children based on the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. CPO seems to have policies or norms which are coming from mundane world, which do not seem favorable in many cases. Please comment.

A: What are you referring to in particular? The CPO wants all children to recognize child molesters? By the way there is another thing in that film, the film that was made recently, they showed Indradyumna Swami with young girls. Alright, everyone knows that Indradyumna Swami likes kids and young girls but there has never been a case of him doing anything wrong. 

PADA: Indradyumna Swami supports the whole Mayapur molester regime, and many other deviations.

It seems, lets be frank, he is attractive to young women, it seems like that. 

PADA: Children are not young women. And if he is attracted to young women, or worse young children, then he should not be recognized as Krishna's successor. And in fact he should be restricted from access to temples only under supervised visits.

He is a very colorful, heroic kind of preacher; he is out there all the time, on the frontline, preaching. But there has never been any record of him engaging in any illicit activity, so why blame him? He has done tremendous preaching throughout his life. So that’s another point.

PADA: Well yeah, he is preaching that acharyas are falling down left, right and center because acharyas are conditioned souls.

Q: How we should cooperate with the CPO office when we want to educate children, he heard from other devotees that there are some mundane approaches but he does not have any specific…

A: It seems to me that the CPO, a lot of what they recommend is based on recommendations from karmis who are trying to prevent this child abuse. What are the Vedic ways of child protection? I think in the world and what to speak of Vedic, everywhere in the world -- up until recently, it wasn’t an issue. 

And probably in the Czech Republic it probably isn’t nearly as much as a problem as it is in England or America, I don’t know, I can guess like that. 

It is very widespread in India. 

PADA: OK child abuse is widespread in India, so let us not make a strong oversight program of the children in India. And let us say that Bhagavad Gita wants us to forgive perps. 

No doubt one reason for that is because lust is being promoted, more and more and more. People have overwhelming lusty desires and I guess some of them see children as easy victims.

PADA: But why is the GBC promoting lusty people as gurus in the first place? You become what you worship, worshiping lust will increase lust in the congregations.

I don’t exactly know the psychology of pedophiles. But it is hypocritical that the whole society promotes sex so much and then they are shocked by child abuse which is an overspill of lusty desires which are being promoted. 

PADA: Well yeah, the BVKS program of promoting the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs does create a big danger for the children in their process. And us whistleblowers are in severe danger as well. 

The point is that, if you want to put systems in place to try to protect children, what do you do? It is an issue. And to pretend it is not an issue; we might regret very much in future if we pretend it is not an issue. If, Krsna forbid, any of the children of the devotees present here were abused, what would you feel? Maybe it is best to take advice from people who have experience in this, even if their background is in mundane psychology. At least they have some experience, and hopefully they are able to prevent.

You don’t want to expose children by saying “Be careful of everyone, they might do this or that to you,” so their basic childish innocent trust is spoiled from the very beginning. But on the other hand if there are so many people around who are looking for opportunity to exploit that childish trust and innocence, we have to consider that also. What do you think?

Q: They have two categories, gross abuse and psychological abuse. When you force them to…for example there are some norms according to which you need to treat children … to force them to wake up early in the morning…

A: To get children up early in the morning is child abuse?

Q: They cannot recognize this, they say that this is mental abuse.

A: In that case we have to follow what Prabhupada says. You can’t follow the karmi psychologists fully. Not all that they say. Srila Prabhupada said to not train children in austerity is one kind of cruelty to children. They would say that training children in austerity is child abuse, but Srila Prabhupada put it round the other way. Srila Prabhupada said that they have got this rare human form of life and to indulge them in sense gratification – that is spoiling their human life in the beginning. One thing I should say about this film, lest I be remiss, it is good that they are keeping the issue of child abuse alive so that we don’t allow it to go on.

It seems to be vindictive. Vindictive means, you just want to find a fault, looking for revenge or something like this. In one part of the film they showed the boys in the so-called gurukula in ISKCON Vrindavan today. One of the boys said, “One of the teachers twisted my ear.” Well, if you are not allowed to discipline the children even by twisting their ear, isn’t it another form of child abuse that they can never be disciplined? 

PADA: Yep, after all sorts of physical abuse has taken place, even some of the other GBC said BVKS is making a mistake authorizing corporal punishment. If a child is totally uncooperative and cannot function in a cooperative school setting, he should be sent back to the parents -- and let them deal with the situation and potential consequences. The burden of taking care of an unruly child should not be the function of a gurukula.

It is part of training children, that they should learn some fear also. That if they do something wrong that they are punished. Not that it is done maliciously. But in most cultures throughout the world, children are given some form of physical punishment, it doesn’t have to be very severe, just to train them to do the right thing and particularly not to do the wrong thing.

In Sri Lanka, there are shops that sell educational supplies. One of them is bamboo rods, and the parents tell the teachers, “If my child misbehaves, beat him.” They expect it to be part of the job of the teacher to discipline the children. Maybe I will get suspended for child … they will find something to suspend me…having said all these things. 

Srila Prabhupada he said not to beat the children but he did also quote the English saying, spare the rod and spoil the child. This is another idea coming from pop-psychology that the children they should not know any fear but a little fear is good. It is good to be afraid of doing wrong. And until we become perfectly pure devotees, fear of punishment is a good incentive to not do the wrong thing. It’s a quotable quote … note it down, put it on the internet with waterfalls and mountains in the background. 

Have you seen this? They put quotes on the internet with nice scenes of nature, maybe for this picture we can have a picture of Yamaraja. A certain class of persons is always trying to think up some quote which can be put on the internet. They find pictures from nature … anyway here is a quote.

What I have said now, I know that at least some members of our movement will very strongly disagree with this. If any of you feel some disagreement, let it be known. Again, I am not at all condoning child abuse. One thing is, what is the definition of child abuse? I might disagree with some people on the definition of child abuse. Sexual violation of children is getting down as about as low as anyone in the human body can do anything – to sexually abuse children – no doubt about that. 

But twisting a boy’s ear because he has misbehaved it is really not … to say someone is raping children and someone is twisting their ear when they misbehave is all child abuse and to put it in the same category is extremely unbalanced and unfair.

Those who … here is another quote you can put on the internet … those who are so adamant to prevent child abuse, in doing so they should see that they are not doing another kind of abuse. I heard a story, I don’t know if it is true or not. There was an Indian working in America or maybe he immigrated to America. He got jailed because his son complained to the police after his father had beaten him. He was in jail for a few months, he came out and said we are going back to India. In India, he beat his son and said we are never going back to America again. I don’t know if it is true or not or how badly he beat the son or whatever, an anecdote that I heard.

Q: It is said that it is not really good to tell these things to children how to recognize these situations or these persons. On the other side, we should tell them something. For example, he knows two cases here in Czech Republic, who had this experience when they were kids and they never told this to anybody. The general tendency according to modern statistics is that these children do not reveal what happened to them. How can we deal with our children in such a way that they will tell us if anything improper happens or is going on.

A: This is what I am saying that we don’t like the idea of training the children in that way but maybe it is a good idea to do so. Naturally, if a child comes, even if you don’t know the child you might want to give them a little hug or pat them on the head or something but nowadays you can’t do that because you might get pulled up for being a child molester. I am absolutely serious in saying this. 

If you do that to an unknown child, the parents might call the police. That’s the way the world is nowadays, it is insane but we can’t escape in all respects this miserable world that we live in. I say the parents, most likely it will be the parent.

Q: He wants to confirm if he understood properly in regards to Bhakti Vidya-purna Maharaja if he is leading gurukula?

A: He is not officially leading the gurukula, he has no official position. But from behind he has been guiding Pritivardhana Prabhu and others for years. As far as I know, he has complied with the CPO laws. There is some injunction against him. He has been doing everything from behind. Like I said, he has done something unique and laudable.

Q: The situation is such that he is accused that…

A: He is not only accused, there is a whole case against him and he has been found guilty. Again, these are things that happened thirty years ago.

Q: He is asking if he understood it properly, that there is no record that he was a child abuser.

A: Yes, there is a record that he is a child abuser inasmuch as he severely beat some of the boys.

Q: Regarding the principle of api-cet-suduracaro, devotees who are on the side of Bhakti Vidya-purna Maharaja, they are giving example of Lord Brahma who once ran after his daughter and then he was ashamed…

A: The example of Lord Brahma. Yes, he is still respected as Lord Brahma, even though he engaged in some duracara, suduracara – very bad activity.

Q: They are giving this example that the other demigods did not kick him out.

A: The other demigods did not kick him out and in fact, the sons of Marici who laughed at him, they took birth as demons and were killed by their father. They eventually became brothers of Krsna, they became sons of Kalanemi and then they became sons of Devaki and were killed by Kamsa, who was Kalanemi in a previous birth. There is a difference, of course, there is a difference. As far as I know, Bhakti Vidya-purna Maharaja is not Lord Brahma.

Q: He was just chasing the daughter but he did not abuse her physically. But there are cases in gurukula, little children were abused, and it was not only thirty years ago, but still sometimes it is going on ingurukula, not from Maharaja’s side but from the side of others.

A: In Mayapur gurukula?

Q: I heard it from one boy who used to stay there he said he saw, and he also heard from other boys.

A: Still going on? I personally know of a case which very few people know about. This is recent, less than two years, one boy was there and he expressed some desire like that (homosex) and he was removed from the school. It may be that there are cases but as far as I know, especially given their experience, they are very strict not to indulge that.

I also heard what Pritivardhana Prabhu said in this case, from one of the parents of the boy. He said that this is very common in the modern world, nowadays. If we were given the opportunity, we could work with the boy, he is a good boy and help to rectify him. But the atmosphere in our movement is so frenzied about this issue that if anyone comes to know that we have kept a boy who has such an inclination, they will use it to close down our school or whatever. I also know a case of a very good devotee in India, very good means, he was practicing very well. Then it was discovered, that he was engaged in such activity… [END]

PADA: Telling children they have to worship drug addicts, drunks, predators and pedophiles as their gurus is psychological child abuse right out of the gate. And the entire program has lead to many examples of physical child abuse, which follows in its shadow. ys pd

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PADA: Oh oh. Sivarama swami says there is no guarantee Srila Prabhupada can liberate people now, because he never said that he could. You mean worshiping deviants will save us now? ys pd

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REMEMBERING MULAPRAKRITI

Mulaprakriti devi dasi departed this world sometime around July 2004 during a stay in Vrndavana. She had been diagnosed with cancer. Before she left this world she compiled a book titled:

'Our Srila Prabhupada' A friend To All

Early Contemporaries Remember Him'

Which is her final offering in this world to Srila Prabhupada. Here is a sample excerpt from the Preface that was written by her dear husband Gopavrndapala das prabhu:

"One whom Srila Prabhupada continued to impact (after his passing) in an extraordinary way was my wife, Mulaprakriti dasi. For over three decades I knew her to be tenacious in her desire to please him. Over the last few years, Mula's affection for Srila Prabhupada sent her trekking throughout India with only a handheld tape recorder and a hunch. 

Her hunch proved true: people who knew Srila Prabhupada before he went to the West had a gold mine of untold nectar to share. At first she jotted down their recollections simply because she was so moved by them, but as many of you know, Mula's nature was to share whatever she learned. Gradually the idea for a book was born.

A huge stack of taped interviews full of Hindi, Bengali and hopelessly broken English grew far beyond her expectations.

She found herself working long hours, often alone, on a task that she sometimes felt was over her head. And of course cameras, computers, recorders and just about everything else malfunctioned whenever they were most needed. In the midst of countlesssetbacks, though, Mula's single-minded dedication to Srila Prabhupada and his family of devotees never let her stop.

Her main concern was, "Will the devotees like it?" I can attest that Mula's sincerity to please all of Srila Prabhupada's followers guided her from the first to the last interview. Throughout the years she never gave up hope that our common bond - affection for Srila Prabhupada - would persuade us to work together in mutual appreciation, despite our many differences.

She found hope in Srila Prabhupada's famous purport in the first canto of Srimad - Bhagavatam:

"When there is a fire in the house, the inmates of the house go out to get help from the neighbors who may be foreigners...and the neighbors understand the need, even though not expressed in the same language. The same spirit of cooperation is needed to broadcast this transcendental message of the Srimad -Bhagavatam throughout the polluted atmosphere of the world."

PADA: Sounds good except, Mula Prakriti and her gang first of all were working with GBC guru Hrdayananda and -- "Krishna's gone Western." And that was supporting the bogus 11 guru system of ISKCON, that has been banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing Vaishnavas. She was showing us her "management chart" where she was going to liaison with Hrdayananda. OK, but that means helping the program that is causing all the mayhem in Mayapur etc. 

Then later she took shelter of Tamal's main bucket boy BV Narayan Maharaja, who was in Texas propping up Tamal when we were in Texas organizing a $400,000,000 child abuse lawsuit against Tamal. When Mula Prakriti says that everyone should work together when there is a fire in the house, then working with the people who are setting the house on fire, and pouring petrol on the fire, is not going to help with the fire. 

This is going to make the fire worse, and create MANY more victims. She also recommended Satsvarupa as a guru for various ISKCON children, and SDG was the main supporter of Kirtanananda and he said me and Sulochana are poison pens for objecting to their pedophile pooja and messiah's project. SDG is among the worst case among them, since he was their position paper writer for years. Sulochana said SDG is the Joe Goebbels writer for the regime, and SDG is hardly anyone we would want children to be worshiping as their eternal link to God.

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The subtle minimsation of Srila Prabhupada.

CONCLUSION

The Narayana Maharaja phenomenon stretched from 1990 to his passing away in 2012, and it somewhat continues with his initiated sannyasis who still promote their organization and temples, some of whom are now gurus themselves. Although the ISKCON GBC finally reprimanded and reined in their own members in 1995 (Ch. 71) for associating with NM and endorsing his rasika bhakti philosophy, great damage to ISKCON had already been done and this continued for many years. 

With facilitation from ISKCON leaders such as Tamal, Giriraja, Satsvarupa, Indradyumna, Sivarama and others, the Gaudiya Math, whom Srila Prabhupada had left in the 1950’s, siphoned off thousands of Srila Prabhupada disciples and followers. Although Srila Prabhupada had smashed the early 1970’s “gopi bhava” club in Los Angeles, the lesson was lost as the "rasika guru" and the focus on the intimate conjugal pastimes of the Lord was again taken up as though it was the ultimate program for success in spiritual life. 

Tamal was the primary promoter of Narayan Maharaja.

This was the SIXTH major ISKCON schism.

CHAPTER 112: NARAYAN MAHARAJA

"There is nothing new to be said. Whatever I had to say, I have already said in my books. Now you must try to understand it and continue with your endeavours. Whether I am present or not does not matter." (SPConv May 17, 1977) 

“Therefore, those who are in bodily consciousness and who desire sense gratification are forbidden to indulge in discussions of the transcendental pastimes of Sri Radha and Krishna.” (CC Adi 13.42)

INTRODUCTION

The supposed need for a rasika guru was a major deviation from Srila Prabhupada’s teachings that entered ISKCON in the early nineties, promoted by Tamal as he led many GBCs and senior devotees. The effects were huge and continue to the present day. The history was already described in the previous chapter, how thousands of ISKCON devotees became captivated by Narayan Maharaja (NM) of Gaudiya Math. 

Below are direct quotes from NM which will make it very clear to Srila Prabhupada’s followers that NM taught very differently from what Srila Prabhupada taught, and there was great disharmony between these two versions.

COMPILATION OF [SHOCKING] QUOTES FROM NARAYAN MAHARAJA

“Understanding Narayan Maharaja: his own words and other primary sources:” Compiled by disciples of Srila Prabhupada: one will require a good knowledge of Srila Prabhupada’s teachings to recognize how NM conflicts with Srila Prabhupada. 

(1) NM, Hawaii, Feb. 17, 2001: "Prahlad Maharaja was a very bona fide bhakta, and he never wanted anything worldly, but he could not serve Krishna. His bhakti was mixed with jnana, knowledge of the Lord's opulence. If you have some worldly desire, or any desire, then your bhakti may be sanga-siddha bhakti or aropa-siddha bhakti, but not pure transcendental bhakti.” 

SPLecture Feb 11 1976: “And uttama-adhikari, that is very rarely attained, this stage. Uttama-adhikari, has only equal, one vision, samah sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate. The uttama-adhikari, he does not think that ‘He is envious,’ or ‘he is this,’ or ‘he is that,’he sees that everyone is engaged in Krishna consciousness. That is not to be imitated. 

Our Prahlad Maharaja is like that. He did not know who is his enemy and who is friend. No, he did not know. He is uttama-adhikari, maha-bhagavata. So this maha-bhagavata, this word is very important in this verse, maha-bhagavato 'rbhakah. Immediately, as soon as Brahma requested, ‘My dear boy, please pacify.’ No hesitation, immediately he fell down. Upetya bhuvi kayena. He is always at the lotus feet of Krishna, and, as a child...” 

(2) NM, Oct. 24, 1999: "We can glorify Swamiji, Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. But those who are falling down, how can they glorify him? They cannot glorify him, never; they are cutting. They are establishing that he was the founder of ISKCON, but I know that he was not founder, he was one of the members of this in guru parampara. It was founded by Krishna, and first acharya was Brahma, then Narada, then Vyasa. 

Only he has changed the name and he has preached these things in Western countries." 

(3) NM, April 28, 19992: "Also you should know that Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is the founder of ISKCON. Swamiji, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja is one of the prominent acharyas in this line only. He is not founder; he's one of the prominent acharyas, who spread all these things [over] whole world, in a very short time. 

Though Prabhupada Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati himself could not come here, and he sent Swami Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja here. So Swamiji is one of the hands of Srila Prabhupada. It is not that Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja is also father and forefather of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. We should try to realize all these things. He was one hand, one hand, he was one hand, and that hand was so long that it traveled [over the] whole world, that long hand. 

But for this you should not minimize all other acharyas who have not come here, but more qualified they were. Like parama pujyapada Sridhara Maharaja, Gosvami Maharaja, my Guru Maharaja, to whom this Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja used to make, used to honor like siksha-guru." 

PADA: Param Pujyapada BR Sridhara Maharaja is the founder father of the bi-sexual deviant guru sampradaya of the Gaudiya Matha, which had dissenters banned, beaten and assassinated. Then in 1978 Sridhara Maharaja became the darling of the ISKCON 11 GBC gurus. And while these 11 gurus were deviating, and devotees were being banned, beaten, molested, sued and assassinated; and children were being molested left, right and center, Sridhara Maharaja was saying "none should protest." He was the biggest defender of the GBC's guru system. And later on NM supported the GBC guru system. How does Mula Prakriti ilk think this is putting out the fire in the house?

(4) NM Australia: Feb. 18. 2002: "Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into English. He is not the founder-acharya of that eternal ISKCON... I am ISKCON. I'm not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta' [Bhaktivedanta Narayan Gosvami]. Like father, like son. 

I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this very openly. I am Bhaktivedanta and he is Bhaktivedanta, but he received this name after I did. I'm senior to him in this regard... I'm Bhaktivedanta, and I'm also ISKCON. Don't think that I'm out of ISKCON." 

(5) Hari Sauri March 31, 1997 Letter: "He (NM) shouted, 'I am not under your rules. I am not ISKCON, I am Gaudiya Math!"' 

(6) SPL Dr. Bigelow Jan. 20, 1971: "I am the founder-acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness." 

(7) SPL Kurusrestha Dec. 28, 1974: "Also your idea of forming a trust between ISKCON and the leading men in the Indian community is approved by me. That is very nice. Let the Indians take part in our movement and help us to push on this mission of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. In that trust you must be very careful to make sure that my name is registered there as the founder- acharya and that I am to be the ultimate authority. In other words, in any case of necessity of vetoing or canceling any decision made by the other trustees, I should be able to do like that. My decision should over-rule all the other trustees combined." 

(8) NM Australia, Feb. 12, 2002: "Therefore, in his service to Radhika, for rati-keli-siddhyai, a guru cannot serve in his male form. Srila Swami Maharaja and my Gurudeva are both serving there in their female forms as gopis. In that realm my Gurudeva is Vinoda Manjari, Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati Thakura is Nayana Manjari, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura is Kamala Manjari, Srila Jiva Gosvami is Vilasa Manjari, Srila Rupa Gosvami is Rupa Manjari, and Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami is Rati Manjari. These manjaris can serve Radha- Krishna Conjugal." 

Dhrstadyumna das: "And our Srila Prabhupada?” 

NM: "If you fully surrender, by body, mind, words and ego, then I may tell you. Otherwise, I will not. I know who he is, but you do not know. None of the ISKCON leaders know. Your Prabhupada has cheated them all, in the sense that he has not revealed himself to them at all." 

(9) Datta das, Letter to NM July 19, 1998: "I do not understand why you are again giving the Gayatri mantra to Srila Prabhupada disciples who have already heard it from him. And I do not agree with you that Srila Prabhupada did not understand that if devotees heard his chanting of the Gayatri mantra from a tape, it was not bona fide."

(10) SP’s SBhag 2.9.8 purport: "The potency of transcendental sound is never minimized because the vibrator is apparently absent." 

(11) NM Dec. 3, 2001 India: "You should try to realize what instructions Srila Swami Maharaja (Srila Prabhupada) has given. He has never given anything other than the instructions of Srila Rupa Gosvami. He always followed Rupa Gosvami, and therefore he is a rupanuga-vaishnava. He wanted to very clearly give the path of rupanuga (manjari-bhava), but he first had to cut down the jungles of mayavada and atheism. Because he wanted to give this path, he requested me to help them. He could have given it then, but they were not ready at that time." 

(12) NM, Australia: Feb. 18. 2002: "I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other." 

(13) NM Lecture, Sept. 19, 1994: "Those who are not rasika Vaishnavas, they don't know tattva, they have not gone to association with any Vaishnava... they think that to preach whole world... the name of Krishna... and to give Gita sandesha... is the whole thing. So I want to say that your Prabhupada has given these things... only these things... and not beyond these things. Then he was only the servant of Mahavishnu, not of Krishna. A strange thing... for them who are ignorant. But those who are wise and have done initiation from any rasika Vaishnava, bhava bhakta of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu... Those who have given their heart to them and have realized anything... very little... they can realize these things. [...] At first, if any temple is going on... we'll have to clear... the ground. 

The thorns are there, the trees having thorns... useless... to be cut, and to give some land... But to dig and to sweep is not everything. To dig for basement of this big temple is not everything. So Swamiji has at first cleared the atmosphere... Prepared the ground... by preaching name and the sandesh of Gita... he prepared. 

So very important work. Without this, without this, he could not have given these things. As Chaitanya Mahaprabhu first preached the whole world Krishna name, and he wanted all Vaishnavas to understand His inner mood. ...Otherwise everyone cannot understand... so he has done this task and it was so necessary for that world... for all world... he has done but he has not done everything ... by that doing. It was only basement... Foundation." (14) NM, Melbourne farm: "Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja told me in the last days 'You should help my disciples. They are like monkeys; I could not train them so much. So always try to help them

(15) NM, B.C. Canada May 2001: "When he came to the Western countries he saw that all were taking so many drugs, so many drugs. Almost all were mad persons, loving dog instead of God. Still he thought, ‘What should I do? I should give something.’ First he cut the jungles of all mayavada philosophy, atheism, material science propaganda, and so on. 

Next he explained that you should worship your own gurudeva first. It was something, a beginning for beginners. A, B, C, D. [...] However, when you pass the beginning primary school and enter high school or college, you should not think, ‘Oh, I will only study the thing I learned at the beginning. I will not obey all these professors. I only want my gurudeva and what he has told us. 

A means apple, B means ball, and C means cat. Why are you telling different things? Narayan Maharaja comes and tells so many different things. We should not accept this. He is glorifying Rupa Gosvami, and he is teaching that we want affection for Radha- Krishna Conjugal. Why is he telling different things? Don't listen to him. It will be an offense.’ What is this? Ignorant persons speak like this. Don't think that I am teaching anything other than what your Srila Prabhupada wanted and wrote. 

His voice has been recorded on his last day. He ordered me, ‘Help my disciples.’ After that he did not speak to anyone. You can get that cassette. Why did he order me in this way? Weeping, he requested this of me. If he had already told everything, then why did he request me in that way? If anyone does not have belief in my statements, he can acquire and hear the cassette. At that time he spoke in Bengali so that others would not understand. 

If he were to say that all his disciples were ignorant, that they did not know very much, and that they were imperfect, they may have become upset. For this reason he spoke so many things in Bengali. He told me, ‘I brought them, but I could not teach them in full.’ If he had told them everything, and if they were so knowledgeable and expert, why have so many of the senior devotees, even those in the renounced order, fallen down? 

Where are they now? Where they are now is not ISKCON. They were not ISKCON, they are not ISKCON, and they will not be ISKCON.

PADA: Right, that means it is extremely foolish for NM to say these blooped out fools have been members of Krishna's guru parampara. And it is a huge mistake for people like Mulaprakriti to endorse all of these people. Even more foolish to say the people burning down the house are the fire department saviors of the house.

[...] If there is no need for Prabhupada's disciples to continue hearing from a bona fide guru, then why are they falling? Why? I know more than you, much more than you.”

(16) The conversation to which NM refers to above is: A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami and NM Oct- Nov 1977, Vrindaban, as transcribed by NM’s followers: 

SP: Are any of my God-brothers in Vrindavana now? 

NM: Yes. SP: Who? 

NM: Van Maharaja might be there, as well as Indupati Prabhu from Chaitanya Gaudiya Matha. 

SP: Any more? 

NM: Only these two at the moment. 

SP: Who is Indupati? 

NM: Indupati. He comes here often. 

Bhakticaru: From Madhava Maharaja's matha? 

NM: Yes. No one else is here. 

SP: Please call both of them. Van Maharaja and him. 

NM: This is very good proposal by you. 

SP: Please sit down. They will call them. 

NM: All right. 

SP: This cutting of arguments happens sometimes... 

NM: These are insignificant matters in such a substantial worldwide mission. A little something here and there is of no consequence. You have done this wonderful preaching work for the benefit of the whole world. There was no self-interest. You did everything only in devotional service to Krishna, for benefiting all people at large. 

SP: It is all by your blessings. 

NM: You have done a wonderful thing. It is necessary to care for and preserve this mission, and see that it is managed skillfully. 

SP: You kindly instruct them on this matter. I'm unable to speak. 

(17) Satsvarupa: "In the ultimate issue, however, what matters is not so much what Srila Prabhupada may or may not have said to Srila NM, but what Srila Prabhupada said to us, his disciples. And there is no record of him ever instructing the members of ISKCON to take direction from Srila NM, other than to seek his advice concerning the details of performing Srila Prabhupada's samadhi ceremony.” 

PADA: Except that SDG and NM were co-writing the Guru Reform Notebook starting in 1984, and that is how they got to the point of resinstating known homosexuals as acharyas during their 1986 "reform."

(18) Hrdayananda Dec. 7, 2000: "NM states that he is the 'first' or maybe the 'true' disciple of Srila Prabhupada etc. Actually I have personally served Srila Prabhupada for so many years as a GBC member and he has never mentioned NM, nor was NM engaged in any significant service to Srila Prabhupada's Mission. Srila Prabhupada never told in any book, article interview or any other documented statements, that NM should become the siksha guru of ISKCON."

(19) SPConv Aug. 16, 1976: "They (Bhaktisiddhanta's disciples) never thought, 'Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acharya?' They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed. They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? 

[...] So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection." 

COMMENT: Which means, if Srila Prabhupada wanted us to study rasika tattva with NM, why did he not tell us such? 

(20) SPLilamrita: " Then he paused for some time, and wiping the tears from his cheeks, he said in an even more choked voice, ‘He saved me.’ At that point I began to understand the meaning of ‘spiritual master’ and dropped all consideration of ever replacing Swamiji. After two days Prabhupada said he would not call any of his Godbrothers to come and take care of his disciples. He said, ‘If this person speaks just one word different from what I am speaking, there will be great confusion among you.’ 

Actually, he said, the idea was an insult to the spiritual master." 

(21) SPL Dinadayala, Feb. 25, 1976: "I have instructed everything in my books." 

(22) SPL Satsvarupa, June 16, 1972: "I have given you everything, so read and speak from the books and so many new lights will come out. We have got so many books, so if we go on preaching from them for the next 1,000 years, there is enough stock. " 

(23) SPL Nitai July 14, 1976: "I have received reports that you have been developing the habit of going outside the temple to hear lectures by others outside like Nrsimhavallabha. Strictly nobody should go outside to hear lectures by others. If you are not satisfied by the calibre of the classes at the Krishna Balarama Mandir, then you should give another class, but you cannot go outside for hearing others' lectures. Kindly stop this habit immediately."

NARAYAN MAHARAJA ON ISKCON LEADERS AND DEVOTEES: 

(24) NM, B.C. Canada, May 2001: "Some of his (Srila Prabhupada's) sannyasis used to come to me, but where are they now? They were forbidden to continue hearing (from me) and properly understanding their gurudeva. If they will come again and serve their gurudeva, then they have a chance— otherwise not." 

(25) NM, B.C. Canada May 2001: "Though one may have taken initiation from Srila Swami Maharaja 30 years before, he may still be kanistha adhikari— not madyama. Otherwise, there would be no confusion or falling down. A pure devote can never fall down. This is the reason: they did not want to listen to anyone other than Srila Swami Maharaja, but they should listen to grow." 

(26) NM Australia Feb. 15, 2002: "If the guru is following all the principles of bhakti, if he is in the line of his gurudeva, if he is chanting and remembering but he is not learned enough to give you Krishna-tattva, then don't give him up. With honor for him, take his permission, and go with his permission to associate with exalted Vaishnavas. And, if he does not give permission, you can consider that he is also among the kan-gurus meant for being given up." 

(27) Datta das Letter to NM July 19, 1998: "You have said to at least one disciple (that I know of) of an ISKCON guru in good standing that he should take second initiation from you since it was necessary to receive the Gayatri mantra from a Maha-Bhagavat devotee; otherwise the mantra has no effect." 

(28) Did NM re-initiate ISKCON devotees? What follows is but a partial sampling of devotees who were initiated by ISKCON gurus in good standing but who have rejected their ISKCON guru and instead taken shelter of NM. Several of these devotees have personally informed their ISKCON guru that they have left him and have clearly stated that they have taken re-initiation from NM. 

-- Gopal Krishna Maharaja: Parasurama dasa, Parasara Muni dasa, Ramacandra dasa, Pavana dasa, Jayapataka Swami: Vicitra Vasini dasi, Satsvarupa: Navadvipa dasa, Narmada dasi, Jagannatha Krishna dasa, Indradyumna Maharaja: Abhaya Mudra dasi, Tamal Krishna Maharaja: Radhastami das Krishna das Swami: Ayodhyapati dasa Bir Krishna Goswami: Bhakti lata dd, Madhusevita das: Keli-parayana das, Mahalakshmi dd, Gaura-pournima dd Vipramukhya Swami: Syamananda dasa.

SP: So it [reinitiation] is deliberate transgression of Vaishnava etiquette and otherwise a deliberate insult to me. I do not know why he has done like this but no Vaishnava will approve of this offensive action." (SPL Hrsikesa March 1968)

IS A BONA FIDE GURU OMNISCIENT? NM CONTRADICTS SP’S TEACHINGS: 

(30) NM Germany Dec. 12, 2001: "Nowadays there are so many devotees who were personally following your Prabhupada, and by that they came in contact with this transcendental life. But now they are thinking that he was not sarvajna, not all knowing or omniscient. What was he? Foolish? Ignorant? 

You know in His boyhood, that Krishna performed so many pastimes in which he appeared like a totally ignorant boy. But that does not mean He is ignorant or that He is not omniscient. And, if He is omniscient, why should His associates not be so? They must be.” 

Jadurani dasi mentions gurukula child abuse, and NM says they are getting their karma? 

NM speaks about Prabhupada being omniscient and child abuse in ISKCON: "If those in the gurukula are not offensive they will get some good impressions, samskaras, in the heart—by sadhu-sanga. Srila Swami Maharaja knowingly did something like this for the gain of the whole world—the whole universe. He has given krpa, mercy, to all. 

Prabhupada did not do anything improper. He was sarvajna (all knowing), and he wanted to do good for all. It was not the fault of Prabhupada; it was fault of their bad karma of past births and also this birth. We should realize this. Although some are not realizing this, still he will help them. 

If those who attended gurukulas, who performed bad activities in past lives, had not come in contact with Srila Swami Maharaja—and instead of going to gurukula they had gone to any other school—the same karmic reaction would have come to them because of their past impressions. 

In fact, much, much worse things would have happened to them, and they would not have had the good opportunity to associate with a pure devotee — to receive prasada from his hand, to receive so much mercy from him, and to have the chance to take up devotional activities later on.” 

COMMENT: So NM says SP knew of the abuse but let it go on because it was their karma? 

(31) SPL Rupanuga July 3, 1968: "Yes, those twelve symptoms of the spiritual soul are correct, except for ‘all-knowing.' All-knowing it cannot be, but full of knowledge." 

(32) SPConv April 8, 1975: Jayadvaita: ...sometimes the acharya may seem to forget something or not to know something, so from our point of view, if someone has forgotten, that is... SP: No, no, no. Then... Jayadvaita: ...an imperfection. SP: That is not the. [...]. Then you do not understand. Acharya is not God, omniscient. He is servant of God. His business is to preach bhakti cult. That is acharya.