And then I did a lot of re-working in Procreate I-pad.
PADA: Yes this is a good question. If we are ordered to offer bhogha ONLY to the pure devotee, why are we instead offering bhogha to photos of people who are falling down left, right and center? And Jayadvaita says these gurus are -- in fact -- falling into illicit sex with men, women and possibly children. The only good news is that the family goat will not be engaged in amorous pastimes by these GBC gurus.
When did Srila Prabhupada order that ISKCON should place the photos of the GBC managers on the altars and offer to them? And in some temples, there is a stack of GBC photos by the altars which means the photos are being changed around all the time. No one in the congregation even knows whose photo is on there half the time. Whole thing is ritvik-diculous. ys pd
MUKUNDA UK (Mark Whitely)
PADA: Yes prabhu he says Narada is not following Srila Prabhupada by helping Mukunda in promoting Hitler, except Srila Prabhupada orders his followers -- do not promote Hitler, never mind making promoting Hitler a 20 year ranting public issue. Mukunda does not even follow Srila Prabhupada, plain and simple.
Meanwhile, Mukunda promotes defenders of the GBC like Naranaryan dasa, who says the GBC's pedophile messiah's project is "The Golden Body of ISKCON." And then HKC Jaipur and their henchman Prahlad say PADA is making offenses to their Divine Golden Body of pedophile messiah's pooja project. And Prahlad says he is going to send my photo to the pedophile messiah's goondas to get me taken out. We know whose team the HKC Jaipur folks are on.
Wow, as soon as these people find a nice pedophile messiah's program, they think they have seen the Golden Body of God. Someone else told me, these people are like the worshipers of the Golden Calf Idol in the Bible, and they were punished by God.
In short, they do not even know that a homosexual and pedophile messiah's program is not the Divine Golden Body of God, rather it is the Golden Body Idol of Satan. Then they want to lecture us on the glories of Hitler, whom Srila Prabhupada says is an asura.
And someone else said, the asuras always glorify the other asuras, as we see from the Krishna book. OK Mukunda promotes other asuras because he is one, and that is why he promotes his favorite pedophile pooja defenders as the Golden Body of God, which is another one of his asura-vada examples.
Mukunda evidently does not even know that pedophile pooja is not the Golden Body of God, and he is going to lecture us about the glories of Hitler? Some of Mukunda's relatives wrote to ask me -- what is the problem -- and I had to explain to them, I do not support pedophile pooja or its cheer leaders and defenders as the Golden Body of God. ys pd
PADA: OK this is good, except Ajit Krishna had me kicked off the ISKCON History Forum and he was saying Bhakti Vikas is a bona fide guru. Umm, BVKS is part of the books changers party? Whenever you guys want to start making sense, let me know. But yeah, these book changes are bogus, no question. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
PADA: Yeah, promoting illicit sex with men, women and children as God's successors is not religion. Even the atheists are not saying that God's successors are lusty dogs. The atheists are not attacking God day and night, insulting God, like the GBC process. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
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MUKUNDA UK VS NARADA UK
PADA: Oh oh pilgrims Mukunda UK is saying that Nathan Hartley (Narada dasa) wants Srila Prabhupada Truthers in jail. OK that is because Mukunda is not following Srila Prabhupada's direct orders -- not to discuss Hitler.
After Hansadutta's Schloss was raided -- and the police found Mein Kamph type books there, this created a scandal in the German media. After that -- Srila Prabhupada forbade his followers from discussing Hitler, and he even put that into his Srimad Bhagavatam, his followers should NOT discuss Hiter. But Mukunda does not follow Srila Prabhupada. Every Vaishnava camp has wrote to PADA to complain about Mukunda's Hitler nonsense.
But it is far worse than that. Mukunda also promotes people like Saint Radhanath's cheer leader Bhakta dasa, and the writings of Bhavananda's bucket boy Hari Sauri. The Dallas courts found that New Vrndavana was one of the worst examples of child abuse. Never mind Radhanath is alleged to have had a role in getting rid of Sulochana. Why is Mukunda promoting the mass child abuse program's cheer leaders, and probable help mate causes of Sulochana's departure?
Never mind Hari Sauri's Mayapur is probably worse for child abuse than New Vrndavana. Why is Mukunda in bed with the molester messiah's program's defenders and henchmen?
Then HKC Jaipur folks started to promote Mukunda, same thing, they are in the same bed. Sorry, Nathan Hartley is correct, Srila Prabhupada does not want his followers to promote Hitler-ness. It is giving Krishna a bad media image. And when it comes to who should be in jail, promoters of the cheer leaders of a pedophile guru process need to be in jail.
Ask some of the victims! And no small amount of victims have told me Mukunda is just another defender of the pedophile guru's program because he is promoting their cheer leaders. He is just another member of the gang, pretending he isn't. Same thing victims have told me about Mathura Pati etc.
In any case, promoting Hitler is never going to make Krishna look good, because Hitler is an asura and promoting him makes Krishna look like he favors asuras and their agendas.
"So asura, to kill the asuras, however powerful they may be... We have seen. There were so many asuras in this world. There was Lenin, there was Stalin, there was Hitler, there was Hiraṇyakaśipu. So many. But they could not survive. It is not possible. They'll be finished. So asuras, to kill them ... Paritranaya sadhun..., vinasaya...(BG 4.8) To kill the duskrtam, these asuras, Krishna does not require to come. He comes only to give protection and pleasure to the devotees. That is his aim."
(Lecture on SB 1.8.20 -- Mayapura, September 30, 1974)
[PADA: Right, the first proposal is that Hitler is a demon, an asura. Why do the Hitler prajalpa people meditate on the demons, and they want the entire human society to do the same? What good is being accomplished by meditation on the asuras and demons? Glorifying the demons, ooops, that is also what the bogus GBC's false gurus do? They glorify people unworthy of such praise.
Hitler also lost the battle, whatever it was he set out to accomplish ... failed. And he apparently died from his own hand in a suicide in a bunker, self-evidently afraid to come out and fight on his own. What kind of example is this for human society to follow? We all need to all sit around in a bunker and not bother fighting ourselves, while we "manage" innocent hundreds of thousands of others to fight for us, and they are suffering and dying while we are living like kings? OK like Hitler does?
Srila Prabhupada says a leader sitting in a bunker is Kali Yuga and demoniac, the leader or King should put his own life on the line first. Yep. This is also what the false GBC's gurus do, they sit around in their offices and get their goons to come out to confront us "dissenters" on the sidewalk. Again, whatever the GBC's bogus gurus are doing, the Hitler-anugas think this is the right path for all society? What is the difference between the demons like Kamsa, who sends out various goons to fight on his behalf -- because he is too cowardly and frightened to go himself; and the Hitler-anuga's process? Hitler is also a guy who also gets various goons to fight on his behalf? And why do the Hitler-anugas glorify this mentality?
Srila Prabhupada ALSO says it is very sinful just to look at the cover of "Time" magazine, because there are often photos of these mundane politicians on the cover -- and its sinful just to see their faces. The Hitler-anugas promote and post photos of Hitler all over the place, while Srila Prabhupada says it is sinful just to see these types of people, meditate on their photos, and hear the words of such mundane men.
Why are the Hitler-anugas trying to drag the entire world down into their sinful activity of meditation on the demons and their photos? Srila Prabhupada says it is sinful, the Hitler-anugas think its wonderful, who is right? Did we forget to mention the GBC's false gurus also want people to meditate on the photos of their mundane men gurus? Birds of a feather?]
"To the atheists who are guided by the animal qualities of passion and ignorance, physically powerful men like ... Ravana, Meghnad, Jarasandha, Hitler, Mussolini, etc. are considered as Mahajans. (Srila Prabhupada)
[PADA: Hitler is being compared to the likes of "demons" of past and current times, such as Ravan, Mussolini, Jarasandha etc. Demons ALL have one thing in common, they are always exploiters of others. Sometimes they are sexual predators. For sure they are opposed to Krishna. Also notice, the asuras are controlled by the darkest modes of nature, the animal-like qualities of passion and ignorance. To sum up, the demons are controlled by the darkest natures of rajas and tamas guna, passion and ignorance, or worse -- animal consciousness. This is the direction we need to steer the human society into?
Why do these Hitler-anugas mediate on darkness, tamasic guna and animal consciousness, and they want others to do same? What is the benefit of absorbing oneself in animal consciousness, which leads one to a next birth as an animal? And if the mega-asuras are responsible for death and suffering of many others, then they are people who are going to the lowest regions of the universe, worse than the regular man on the street. Why would we mediate on such low class hell-bound persons? And why would we mix up the Vedas as allegedly supportive of these hell-bound individuals? People who cause massive suffering for others, oh I almost forgot, just like the GBC's false gurus, are the people we need to glorify. That will fix things!
As Srila Prabhupada says, a leader accepts the karma for the collective actions and reactions of all the citizen he is affecting, and if he is overseeing mass death and destruction, he will have to suffer millions of future lives to pay back the suffering he generated for millions of others. Why would we meditate on people who are going to suffer millions of future births for creating suffering for masses of other living beings? And this is the path to success? For whom? And what is the difference between these asuras causing people to suffer, and the GBC's false gurus causing people to suffer, aren't they ALL peas in a PADA?]
"The whole history of the world, you just study, is a history of sense gratification. Just take, for example, some twenty years ago one Mr. Adolf Hitler came in the scene, and there was great upheaval as war in Europe and America. From 1933 to 1947 or something like that, the whole world was in trouble. But he is gone, finished. And what did he do? Sense gratification, that's all."
(Bhagavad-gita Lecture 3.6-10. Los Angeles. 68-12-23)
[PADA: Right, Hitler created a major upheaval, and subsequent mass suffering for millions. Many died, not just from the howitzers, bullets, bombs, missiles etc., but also many hundreds of thousands of people were starving because the food and water supply system was upset and so on. Many also could not get proper water, electricity and basic food supplies for their babies and etc. Houses, apartments, hospitals, churches and schools were bombed, vehicles, roads and bridges were destroyed and so on.
In sum many people could not eat, their babies could not eat, their farm animals were starving, and the Hitler-anugas think this is a great path forward for humanity to follow? So this is why Srila Prabhupada says the asuras love to create horrible things, like atom bombs and wars that kill and destroy life, and devastates human society. Yep. "The whole world was in trouble," and that is the nature of the demons, they love to create trouble for the whole world. And some say the ISKCON GBC's gurus have done the same type thing, they created troubles all over the world for the sincere devotees, which means suffering for all of human society which is then affected.
Why do these Hitler-anugas think this path is the way forward for the world?
Lets not forget how badly many millions of animals suffered, they were also being bombed and because their system of care-takers and food and supplies was also blocked and so forth. This will make the world a better place, to have more of this suffering and death agenda?]
"No, the greater power is Krsna. If you take shelter of Krsna, they cannot do anything. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, he was a five years old boy. He took shelter of Krsna and his father was a great demon, very powerful. He wanted to chastise his boy. He could not. This is the proof. So you take shelter. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, aham tvam sarva-pape... [Bg. 18.66]. "I give you protection."
"So people have no faith although He's God. He thinks God is less powerful than Hitler. That is his nonsense. If he takes actually shelter of Krsna, what this rascal, Hitler, can do? But he has no faith in God. He thinks Prabhu Hitler is greater than Lord. Prabhu Hitler. That is the difference between the crows and the swans. The crows think that we have got food in the garbage. And the swans think that we have got food in nice garden, in the clear water. And that is difference even in the birds kingdom."
(Room Conversation with Dr. Christian Hauser, Psychiatrist. Stockholm. 73-09-10)
[PADA: Hah hah, right, the Hitler-anugas are compared to dirty filthy minded crows, simply eating garbage, talking garbage, promoting garbage etc. Nice summary! So the swans will mediate on Krishna and the crows will mediate on their neo-Nazi garbage, and that is seen even in the bird kingdom. Right! So this is very amazing, the Hitler-anugas are simply of the same mentality as garbage minded crows. And of course, that is also why they are making things harder for some of the sincere devotees by mixing up their asura consciousness, animal consciousness, modes of darkness, asura-loving death and destruction program -- with the Vedas.]
"Just like in your Western countries there was Napoleon, there was Hitler, there was Mussolini, here also, big, big leaders, but what they are? Big, big servants of the senses, that's all. Big, big servants of the senses. Therefore Bhagavata has said, sva-vid-varahosttra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuḥ (SB 2.3.19). Purusah pasuḥ: "These big, big leaders are big, big animals, that's all." Samstutah purusah pasuḥ. So there are many instructive verses in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Therefore Srimad-Bhagavatam should be your life and soul to remain constantly in Krsna consciousness, yes, the unique gift of Sri Vyasadeva.
(Lecture SB 07.09.40 MAYAPUR - March 18, 1976)
[PADA: Again, purusah pasuh, human bodies who are really thinking like big animals. And mediation on animals takes one to birth as an animal ... we become what we mediate on. So the Hitler-anugas are trying to drag the whole world to their level, and take everyone to hell -- to become "big animals" in this life and the next, by meditation on such big animals. So that means, they are already animals because that is what they meditate on. Why are they trying to get the mass of people to meditate on big animals? Srila Prabhupada explains that too: Because the asuras want to degrade the entire human society, and take them down to their level.]
"An example can help us to understand the inconceivable potency of the Supreme Lord. In the recent history of warfare the Supreme Personality of Godhead created a Hitler and, before that, a Napoleon Bonaparte, and they each killed many living entities in war. But in the end Bonaparte and Hitler were also killed. People are still very much interested in writing and reading books about Hitler and Bonaparte and how they killed so many people in war.
Year after year many books are published for public reading regarding Hitler's killing thousands of Jews in confinement. But no one is researching who killed Hitler and who created such a gigantic killer of human beings. The devotees of the Lord are not much interested in the study of the flickering history of the world. They are interested only in Him who is the original creator, maintainer and annihilator. That is the purpose of the Krsna consciousness movement."
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.11.9 Purport)
[PADA: Devotees have no interest in these topics. OK, that means the non-devotees do! Of course!]
"..defect of the modern politicians. Here at the present moment, their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he's successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Cāṇakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Lord Rāmacandra. That is difference.
Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man... Without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that "Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass." Consistency. You must change. ()
Now we have got our great personalities, leaders. They are praised, eulogized, our, these political leaders. "Our Hitler," "Our Gandhi," "Our Churchill," "Our Nixon." But sastra says these leaders, those who are not spiritual leaders, those who cannot give our life, they are worshiped by these classes of animals, animals. These so-called leaders, politicians, they are eulogized very much by whom? By these class of men: dogs, camels, asses and.." (Srila Prabhupada)
[PADA: Right, perhaps the real reason the Hitler-anugas like Hitler so much, he is a crooked man. Not honest, using deceit, using lies, using manipulation of innocent people. Hansadutta used to yell in the Berkeley temple "tell a lie so big: no one would believe a person would make up such a lie, its too big to doubt," as he was quoting Hitler's writer Mr. Goebbels. How has his thinking helped ISKCON, or even himself?
Again the Hitler-anugas think just like the bogus GBC's gurus, lets lie and cheat the mass of public. And then what? One goes down, and takes birth among -- spiders, snakes, dogs, camels and asses. Why is this the way forward for human society? So its clear, Srila Prabhupada says these Hitler-anuga conscious people are like hogs, dogs, camels, asses, they are humans in animal consciousness.
Of course bodily identification, as a Hitler-ite, or whatever it is, this is also called animal consciousness, to identify with a particular race or body is called illusion and ignorance. One Jewish lady was in a conversation with one of these people and she said, "You are more bodily conscious than I ever will be, I never discuss people's race and religions." She defeated them.]
Disciple: Nietzsche believed that everyone has a “will to power,” but that the weak seek power vainly. For instance, in his will to power, Hitler sought to subjugate as much of the world as possible, but he was ultimately unsuccessful, and he brought disaster upon himself and Germany. Instead of trying to conquer himself, he attempted to conquer others, and this is the "will to power" misdirected or misinterpreted.
Srila Prabhupada: Men like Hitler are not able to control the force of anger. A king or national leader has to use anger properly. Narottama Dasa Thakura says that we should control our powers and apply them in the proper cases. We may become angry, but our anger must be controlled.
(Beyond Illusion and Doubt. 12. Nietzsche)
[PADA: Yep, lust, anger and greed are the three gates to hell. Hey lets meditate on -- the people who are on their way there? And what is the result even now in this life, "he brought disaster to himself and Germany." Great, lets follow the people who bring about disaster to themselves and destroy their own homeland and the people therein. Sounds like a winner package! Again, Hitler and the GBC's gurus are credited with mass destruction, why is this the winning ideal?]
Prabhupada: Well, foolish men cannot accept any logic. Their logic is stick. "If you don't accept, I shall kick on your face. Accept it." That is the... That is wanted.
Karandhara: Like the example when Hitler killed the Jews. They will say, "Well, what should we do, just let Hitler go on killing the Jews because the Jews were sinful? Or should we try and stop Hitler?"
Prabhupada: Well, Hitler was imperfect and everything was imperfect. That you cannot compare Hitler's action with God's action. God is all-perfect. That is first proposition. God is all-perfect.
(Morning Walk. Los Angeles 73-12-16)
"Just like in the history of the world there were so many big, big men - Hitler, Napoleon, this Churchill, Gandhi, Nehru. But all their powers, position, in one minute it becomes vanquished. There is no question... They are so proud, they do not believe in God, but when the death comes, they cannot argue anything.
The death orders, "Immediately vacate"—finished. You have to vacate. At that time their power, opulence, position—nothing can help. So Kṛṣṇa says, therefore... The atheist class of men who do not believe in God, decry the authority of God, for them... Of course, everyone dies, but for them, mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham (BG 10.34): Kṛṣṇa comes as death and takes away everything in their possession. But foolish persons, they do not see, still.
God says, Kṛṣṇa says, that "This death I am." Still they'll not. And it is a fact. When Kṛṣṇa comes as death, as Hiraṇyakaśipu... He was atheist, did not believe in God, but when God, Nṛsiṁha-deva came, then he was vanquished, everything, within a second. Nirastaḥ. Sa tu te nirastaḥ.
(Lecture SB 07.09.23 Mayapur- March 01, 1976)
Prabhupada: Is that rational, that another living entity like me should be killed for my benefit, for satisfying my tongue? Syamasundara: Their idea is that the animal is not in the same category as myself because it has no... Prabhupada: So that's alright; then might is right? Hitler is right? When Hitler, Hitler kills the Jews, he's right? He thinks that they are not in my category. Syamasundara: The animal cannot understand philosophy. Prabhupada: What does he understand of philosophy? He is mad; he is less than an animal. He does not understand philosophy. He does not know that the animal has also a soul, the animal has also life. Then he should be killed first.
(Dialectical Spirtualism - Hegel)
[PADA: Again, Hitler is a mad man, and the GBC's gurus are mainly mad men, its the same agenda. And they both think "might is right." So Hitler thinks we can kill others who are not in our race, religion or category, this is called illusion. In any case, Hitler is LESS THAN ANIMAL. So again, the Hitler-anugas want to drag the human society to LESS THAN ANIMAL consciousness, because that is where they live. Why do we want to glorify -- less than animals, unless we are less than animals ourselves?]
"This nationalism, this nationalism also the same mistake, but they are fighting so much. Great, great, big, big men. In this country, Napoleon fought. In Germany, Hitler fought. And so many others, in our country Gandhi fought. But he is in ignorance. All these big big leaders, they are ignorance, andha, blind. Blind. They do not know that he is not this body and neither this land belongs to him. But they fight. The whole history of the world means this mistaken idea. "I" and "mine." Therefore Krsna says, yat taj jnanam. Ksetra-ksetrajnayor yat taj-jnanam matam mama. Krsna is giving, that one should know what he is and one should know what is his body, then he is in knowledge. The matter cannot understand this. The dogs, cats, cannot understand this. But a human being can understand this. Bhagavad-gita is meant for the human being, not for the cats and dogs. Therefore, the human society should take care of this knowledge. Then his life will be successful.(Lecture on BG 13.3 -- Paris, August 11, 1973)
[PADA: Well there you have it: the blind leading the blind; creating troubles for the entire world; demons, asuras, hogs, dogs, camels, asses, modes of darkness, cannot control anger; killing others because they are not of the same bodily identity, and so on and so forth. This is not the agenda that Krishna supports, plain and simple. ys pd]
PADA: Yep MMD prabhu, it is amazing that guys like Banu swami are always smiling and joking: As thousands of devotees are being banned, some are being beaten up (with broken bones in some cases); Maybe thousands of kids are being abused (ok many were raped); $100,000,000 is being spent on lawsuits, and they want to start another $20,000,000 lawsuit now; And some dissenters are murdered for not accepting their homosexual and pedophile guru process. And he evidently thinks this is all a joke time comedy show. Yeps.
Bhanu Swami resorts to a dubious translation and interpretation of the writings of other acaryas,to support the guru theory of the ISKCON leaders,which means that they do not find sufficient foundation for their guru theory in Srila Prabhupada's teachings.
All his explanations are malicious manipulations typical of a beginner lacking sound judgment, contradicting Srila Prabhupada's words in his books and instilling false concepts and definitions in naive and intellectually docile listeners. In an attempt to resolve the guru problem, he resorts to writings by other acaryas not translated by Srila Prabhupada.
Therefore, the authenticity of the translation is highly questionable, since everyone translates according to his own opinions. -------------
Prabhupāda: A realized soul, must be. Otherwise, simply by imitating A-B-C-D will not help. My purports are liked by people because it is presented as practical experience. (GBC Meets with Śrīla Prabhupāda—May 28, 1977, Vṛndāvana) https://prabhupadabooks.com/.../gbc.../vrndavana/may/28/1977
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To resolve the guru issue, it is not necessary to resort to writings by acaryas prior to Srila Prabhupada. This is like saying that Srila Prabhupada did not properly explain the guru issue and therefore it is necessary to resort to earlier acaryas. Which is tantamount to saying that Srila Prabhupada is an ordinary devotee who did not know how to properly explain the guru issue.
It is incorrect to resort to a dubious translation of writings by earlier acharyas. Srila Prabhupada left behind, both in writing and on recordings, a complete explanation of Krishna consciousness on a scale never before seen in history.
It is impossible that the immeasurable information left by Srila Prabhupada does not contain a perfect explanation of the guru issue. Srila Prabhupada left us the essence of the teachings of the entire parampara, of all the previous acaryas.
Perhaps Srila Prabhupada did not leave enough information about the totality of Krishna consciousness?
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“In my books the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is explained fully so if there is anything you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again.
By reading daily the knowledge will be revealed to you and by this process your spiritual life will develop.” (Letter to Brahmarupa 22 November, 1974) ---------------------
Devotee: Srila Prabhupada when you're not present with us, how is it possible to receive instructions? For example in questions that may arise...
Srila Prabhupada: Well the questions are answered ... ANSWERS ARE THERE IN MY BOOKS. (SP Morning Walk, Los Angeles, 13/5/73)
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To refer to the translation of other books is to say that Srila Prabhupada gave an incomplete explanation, therefore his capacity is not that of a perfect devotee. Coincidentally, Bhanu Swami's explanation of the guru is completely identical to the opinion of the GBC and other ISKCON leaders.
In reality, Bhanu Swami uses books by other acaryas to invent arguments that support the guru theory of the ISKCON leaders. What he does is try to establish the idea of the guru within ISKCON as something genuine.
To do this, he uses writings by other acaryas with dubious translations, aiming to present the ISKCON opinion about the guru as something truly authentic. This implies that there is nothing in Srila Prabhupada's books and recordings to justify the ISKCON leaders' theory about the guru.
For this reason, it is necessary for them to look in other books. To justify ISKCON's theory of a guru who is not an uttama-adhikari, a maha-bhagavata, Bhanu Swami resorts to a dubious translation and interpretation of the writings of other acaryas, which means that they do not find sufficient foundation for their guru theory in Srila Prabhupada's teachings.
In this way, Bhanu Swami aligns himself with the leaders of ISKCON against Srila Prabhupada's teachings, which he repeated hundreds of times, about who is a bona fide guru, a bona fide spiritual master.
Bhanu Swami speaks all this before an audience of blind and docile followers who accept anything and everything without questioning it, without comparing it to Srila Prabhupada's original teachings.
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Srila Prabhupada said about who is the bona fide spiritual master :
NOI, text 5 - 9 TRANSLATION 1. One should associate with and faithfully serve that Pure devotee who is advanced in 𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 devotional service and whose heart is 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐢𝐝 𝐨𝐟 the propensity to criticize others. PURPORT
2. According to Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī,the association and service of 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐚 𝐦𝐚𝐡𝐚-𝐛𝐡𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐚, 𝐨𝐫 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐕𝐚𝐢𝐬𝐧𝐚𝐯𝐚,are most desirable.
3. Those who are innocent but simply carried away by bad association should be shown favor if they are eager to receive proper instructions from 𝐩𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐞𝐬 ,
4. Such a Vaiṣṇava should be accepted as 𝐚𝐧 𝐮𝐭𝐭𝐚𝐦𝐚-𝐚𝐝𝐡𝐢𝐤𝐚𝐫𝐢, 𝐚 𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐥𝐲 𝐚𝐝𝐯𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐞, and his association should always be sought.
5. Such a person is to be recognized as 𝐚𝐧 𝐮𝐭𝐭𝐚𝐦𝐚-𝐚𝐝𝐡𝐢𝐤𝐚𝐫𝐢, and his association should be immediately accepted according to the six processes (dadāti pratigṛhṇāti, etc.).
6. Indeed,𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐝𝐯𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐮𝐭𝐭𝐚𝐦𝐚-𝐚𝐝𝐡𝐢𝐤𝐚𝐫𝐢 𝐕𝐚𝐢𝐬𝐧𝐚𝐯𝐚 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐞 should be accepted as a spiritual master.
7. However, one should not imitate the behavior of 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐝𝐯𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐞 𝐨𝐫 𝐦𝐚𝐡𝐚-𝐛𝐡𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐚 without being 𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟-𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐳𝐞𝐝, for by such imitation one will eventually become degraded.
8. One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦 𝐨𝐟 𝐮𝐭𝐭𝐚𝐦𝐚-𝐚𝐝𝐡𝐢𝐤𝐚𝐫𝐢.
9. Therefore a disciple should be careful to accept 𝐚𝐧 𝐮𝐭𝐭𝐚𝐦𝐚-𝐚𝐝𝐡𝐢𝐤𝐚𝐫𝐢 as a spiritual master. (Upadesamrta text 5 )
Bhanu Swami speaks incompletely about the uttama-adhikari and the madhyama-adhikari by not explaining how the uttama-adhikari devotee descends to the madhyama-adhikari platform to make distinctions and preach to the innocent.
He says that the uttama-adhikari is very rare and that on his platform he makes no distinctions between devotees and non-devotees. Therefore, he cannot preach.
He says: "It is most common for the madhyama-adhikari, any madhyama-adhikari, to preach and give mercy." But he doesn't explain that the one who distributes mercy is the uttama-adhikari descending to the madhyama-adhikari platform.
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Lecture on BG 16.13-15 -- Hawaii, February 8, 1975: That is the topmost devotee's conception. But WHEN WE ARE PREACHING,WE HAVE TO COME TO THE SECOND STAGE. There are three stages of devotional life. The first stage, or the lower stage, the middle stage, and the top stage. So this kind of conception, that "Nobody is my enemy," that is on the topmost stage. That is not to be imitated. When you are preaching, you have to come to the middle stage. EVEN IF YOU ARE ON THE TOP STAGE,YOU HAVE TO COME ON THE MIDDLE STAGE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DISCRIMINATE: "Here is a devotee; here is a demon." On the top stage there is no such thing as demon and devotee. The top stage, the devotee sees: "Everyone is engaged in Kṛṣṇa's service. Simply I am not engaged." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "But a guru, although he is paramahaṁsa, because he is teaching, he come down as madhyama-adhikārī. There are three kinds of Vaiṣṇava: kaniṣṭha adhikārī, madhyama adhikārī and uttama adhikārī. Uttama adhikārī may be without kunti, without śikhā, without Vaiṣṇava symptoms. He's paramahaṁsa. But when he comes to the preaching platform he must become a madhyama adhikārī, not to imitate uttama adhikārī, because he has to teach. He cannot deviate from the teaching principles. So what you are speaking, that "Without śikhā without kunti, one can become guru," that is fact for the paramahaṁsa, not for the preacher. Preacher must behave very nicely." Srila Prabhupada's Lecture on Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 8.128 -- Bhuvanesvara, January 24, 1977 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- In this way, Bhanu Swami with his ideas, he diminishes the importance of the uttama-adhikari. . Furthermore, he also fails to explain how even the madhyama-adhikari platform is very rare. . He says that the regular gurus in this material world are the madhyama devotees,the normal madhyama devotees. . This statement contradicts Srila Prabhupada's teachings when he says that a madhyama-adhikari should not become a spiritual master. . "One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari." (Upadesamrta tex 5) . Who has not attained the platform of uttama-adhikari? . The answer is quite simple,those who are not uttama-adhikari, that is, the other two types of devotees: the kaniṣṭha-adhikari and the madhyama-adhikari. . What does Srila Prabhupada say about the kaniṣṭha-adhikari and the madhyama-adhikari? . One should not become a spiritual master. . They should not become a spiritual master. . The kaniṣṭha-adhikārī should not become a spiritual master. . The madhyama-adhikārī should not become a spiritual master. . Bhanu Swami doesn't clearly state that all ISKCON gurus are on the platform of kaniṣṭha-adhikārī, spiritually neophytes devotees, materialistic devotees, prakrā-bhaktas,bhaktābhāsa. . He doesn't say that the madhyama-adhikari platform is also very rare. ------------------ He gives a misleading definition of uttama-adhikari by saying that even a devotee engaged in sadhana-bhakti can be an uttama devotee. Bhanu Swami continues saying : (From minute 23:25 to minute 23:48) But there is another uttama mentioned in the Nectar of Devotion, and that is one who is doing vaidhi-sadhana-bhakti. . He can be an uttama because of his great proficiency in scriptures and logic and his firm conviction. . So, he is considered uttama in sadhana-bhakti itself because he can convince people nicely and his good knowledge." ------------------- Note : But he doesn't say where in the Nectar of Devotion Srila Prabhupada says such a thing. . This is typical of these kinds of speakers. . "Prabhupada said," but they never say where Srila Prabhupada said this. In this way, no one can verify what Srila Prabhupada actually said. . It's very easy to say "Prabhupada said" when no one questions you and everyone blindly accepts whatever you say. ------ Bhanu Swami continue saying : (From minute 23:48 to minute 24:20) So, this is another type of uttama. Which may correspond to what Prabhupada says in Nectar of Instruction. He told that OK this person is a Vaisnava uttama-adhikari because he chants 16 rounds, follows the regulative principles and he knows the scriptures...etc. He has proficiency in bhakti and can be called uttama. This corresponds to the definition of uttama given in the Nectar of Devotion." ------- In relation to these statements the Nectar of Instruction, purport of text 5 says : "When a neophyte devotee is actually initiated and engaged in devotional service by the orders of the spiritual master, he should be accepted immediately as a bona fide Vaiṣṇava, and obeisances should be offered unto him. Out of many such Vaiṣṇavas, one may be found to be 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐥𝐲 engaged in the service of the Lord and 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐥𝐲 𝐟𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐠 all the regulative principles, 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 the prescribed number of rounds on japa beads and 𝐚𝐥𝐰𝐚𝐲𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟 how to expand the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. . Such a Vaiṣṇava should be accepted as 𝐚𝐧 𝐮𝐭𝐭𝐚𝐦𝐚-𝐚𝐝𝐡𝐢𝐤𝐚𝐫𝐢, 𝐚 𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐥𝐲 𝐚𝐝𝐯𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐞, and his association should always be sought." --------------- Note : Other characteristics in the definition of uttama- adhikari mentioned in this same verse five of the Nectar of Instruction 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐲 𝐁𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐮 𝐒𝐰𝐚𝐦𝐢 are: 1.one should associate with and faithfully serve that 𝐏𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐞 -who is advanced in 𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 devotional service and -whose heart is 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐢𝐝 𝐨𝐟 the propensity to criticize others.(Translation) 2.The uttama-adhikārī, or 𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐞, 𝐢𝐬 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐢𝐬 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐚𝐝𝐯𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐜𝐞. An uttama-adhikārī 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐛𝐥𝐚𝐬𝐩𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬, 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐧, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐳𝐞𝐝 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐮𝐧𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐲𝐞𝐝 𝐊ṛṣṇ𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐜𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬. According to Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, the association and service of 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐚 𝐦𝐚𝐡𝐚-𝐛𝐡𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐚, 𝐨𝐫 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐕𝐚𝐢𝐬𝐧𝐚𝐯𝐚, are most desirable. 3.𝐖𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐚 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐳𝐞𝐬 𝐡𝐢𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚𝐧 𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐭𝐨𝐫 𝐨𝐟 𝐊𝐫𝐬𝐧𝐚, 𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐢𝐧 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐊𝐫𝐬𝐧𝐚’𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐜𝐞. 𝐀𝐥𝐰𝐚𝐲𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟 𝐊𝐫𝐬𝐧𝐚, 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐦𝐞𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐛𝐲 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐲 𝐧𝐚𝐦𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐊𝐫𝐬𝐧𝐚, 𝐡𝐞 𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐛𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐊𝐫𝐬𝐧𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐜𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐦𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐥𝐝. Such a person is to be recognized as an uttama-adhikārī, and his association should be immediately accepted according to the six processes (dadāti pratigṛhṇāti, etc.). 4.However, one should not imitate the behavior of 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐝𝐯𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐞 𝐨𝐫 𝐦𝐚𝐡𝐚-𝐛𝐡𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐚 without being 𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟-𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐳𝐞𝐝, for by such imitation one will eventually become degraded. ----------------------------------- Bhanu Swami says that : "one who is doing vaidhi-sadhana-bhakti. He can be an uttama because of his great proficiency in scriptures and logic and his firm conviction." . Note : It is not possible for someone who is still engaged in sadhana-bhakti to have great proficiency in scriptures and logic. . In the Nectar of Instruction verse 5 Srila Prabhupada says : " While giving instructions to Sanātana Gosvāmī, Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu divided devotional service into three categories. śāstra-yukti nāhi jāne dṛḍha, śraddhāvān ‘madhyama-adhikārī’ sei mahā-bhāgyavān “A person 𝐰𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐜𝐥𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰𝐥𝐞𝐝𝐠𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐧𝐠 but who has developed firm faith in chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra and who is also undeterred in the execution of his prescribed devotional service should be considered a madhyama-adhikārī. Such a person is very fortunate.” (Cc. Madhya 22.67) -------------------------------------- Note : Only the uttama-adhikari is expert in logic, argument, and the revealed scriptures. . While the madhyama-adhikari devotee is not very expert in argument and logic based on revealed scriptures. He who does not know scriptural argument very well. ------------- Sri Caitanya-Caritamrta Madhya-lila 22- 65.66.67.68 : uttama-adhikārī—the topmost devotee; "One who is expert in logic, argument and the revealed scriptures and who has firm faith in Kṛṣṇa is classified as a topmost devotee. He can deliver the whole world. (CC Madhya-lila 22- 65) Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/22/65 --- " 'One who is expert in logic and understanding of revealed scriptures, and who always has firm conviction and deep faith that is not blind, is to be considered a topmost devotee in devotional service.' (CC Madhya-lila 22- 66) Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/22/66 --- madhyama-adhikārī—second-class devotee; "One who is not very expert in argument and logic based on revealed scriptures but who has firm faith is considered a second-class devotee. He also must be considered most fortunate. (CC Madhya-lila 22- 67) Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/22/67 . " 'He who does not know scriptural argument very well but who has firm faith is called an intermediate or second-class devotee.' (CC Madhya-lila 22- 68) Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/22/68 --- All these explanations given by Bhanu Swami are malicious manipulations typical of a beginner lacking sound judgment, contradicting Srila Prabhupada's words in his books and instilling false concepts and definitions in naive and intellectually docile listeners. -------------------------- Dayānanda: But what about the persons who may be a little bit devoted but who have not achieved that unalloyed devotion? . Prabhupāda: Kaniṣṭha-adhikārī. They are not devotees, but they are called bhaktābhāsa. There is some signs of bhakti. Actually they are not bhakta. Bhaktābhāsa. Ābhāsa. Ābhāsa means a simple, a little light. . (Morning Walk-February 6, 1976, Māyāpura) Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/.../mayapura/february/06/1976 . Hṛdayānanda: So devotee really means one who has love for Kṛṣṇa. . Prabhupāda: Yes, unalloyed, without any condition. . Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Brs. 1.1.11], zero, all other, that "I am this, I am that, I am jñānī, I am yogi, I am karmī, I am minister, I am king"—all these are thinking like that, they're all nonsense. . "I am servant of Kṛṣṇa"—that is greatness. Jīvera svarūpa haya nitya-kṛṣṇa-dāsa [Cc. Madhya 20.108-109]. . That is self-realization, ātma-tattvam. . (Morning Walk-February 6, 1976, Māyāpura) . Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/.../mayapura/february/06/1976 --------------------------------- If they need to go to books other than Srila Prabhupada's books this in itself proves that Srila Prabhupada never in any way said that the guru can be anyone other than a maha-bhagavata devotee. . All of this contradicts Srila Prabhupada's clear instructions, because he said that he has fully explained everything about Krsna consciousness. . What is the qualification to make a genuine translation of the texts of previous acharyas? . "Similarly, any transcendental message, any Vedic literature, unless it is presented by a self-realized devotee, is poison. You simply misunderstand the whole thing, and you do not get the benefit. Rather, you become a victim of misunderstanding." (Lecture, Bhagavad-gita 4.1-2 -- Columbus, May 9, 1969) . What is the value of translations and commentaries made by conditioned souls on books written by previous acharyas? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Srila Prabhupada said: . -ANSWERS ARE THERE IN MY BOOKS. (1) . -A thorough study of my books . THEN ALL YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED.” (2) . - You should read my books daily and ALL YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED (3) . - You must regularly read our book and automatically ALL QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED.”(4) . -By reading daily THE KNOWLEDGE WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU(5) . YOU CAN ASSOCIATE WITH KRISHNA BY READING Bhagavad-Gita. (6). . -WHATEVER I HAD TO SAY,I HAVE ALREADY SAID IN MY BOOKS. WHETHER I AM PRESENT OR NOT DOES NOT MATTER (7). . -I WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU THROUGH MY BOOKS AND ORDERS. 8 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -ANSWERS ARE THERE IN MY BOOKS. (1) . -ALL YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED.” (2) . -ALL YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED (3) . -ALL QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED.”(4) . - THE KNOWLEDGE WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU (5) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ . (1) Devotee: Srila Prabhupada when you're not present with us, how is it possible to receive instructions? For example in questions that may arise... . Srila Prabhupada: Well THE QUESTIONS are answ...ANSWERS ARE THERE IN MY BOOKS. (SP Morning Walk, Los Angeles, 13/5/73) . (2) . "So utilise whatever time you find to make A THOROUGH STUDY OF MY BOOKS. . THEN ALL YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED.” . (SP Letter to Upendra, 7/1/76) . (3) "If it is possible to go to the temple, then take advantage of the temple. . A temple is a place where by one is given the opportunity to render direct devotional service to the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna. . In conjunction with this . YOU SHOULD ALWAYS READ MY BOOKS DAILY AND ALL YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED and you will have a firm basis of Krishna Consciousness. . In this way your life will be perfect." . (SP Letter to Hugo Salemon, 22/11/74) (4) . "Every one of YOU MUST REGULARLY READ OUR BOOKS at least twice, in the morning and evening, and AUTOMATICALLY ALL QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED.” . (SP Letter to Randhira, 24/01/70) . (5) "In my books the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is explained fully so if there is anything you do not understand, then you simply have TO READ AGAIN AND AGAIN. . BY READING DAILY THE KNOWLEDGE WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU and by this process your spiritual life will develop." . (SP Letter to Brahmarupa Dasa, 22/11/74) . .(6) Paramahamsa: My question is, a pure devotee, when he comments on Bhagavad Gita, someone who never sees him physically, but HE JUST COMES IN CONTACT WITH THE COMMENTARY,explanation, is this the same thing? … Srila Prabhupada: Yes. . YOU CAN ASSOCIATE WITH KRISHNA BY READING Bhagavad-Gita. . And these saintly persons, they have given their explanations, comments. . So where is the difficulty? . (SP Morning Walk, Paris 11/6/74) . (7) "There is nothing new to be said. WHATEVER I HAD TO SAY,I HAVE ALREADY SAID IN MY BOOKS. . Now YOU MUST TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT and continue with your endeavours. . WHETHER I AM PRESENT OR NOT DOES NOT MATTER.” . (Arrival Conversation, Vrindavan, 17/5/77) . 8 . "If I depart there is no cause for lamentation. . I WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU THROUGH MY BOOKS AND ORDERS. . I will always remain with you in that way." . (Back To Godhead 13:1-2, December 1977) . ----------------------------------------------------------------- What is the value of translations and commentaries made by conditioned souls on books by previous acharyas? . Srila Prabhupada : "So under the instruction of Nārada Muni, Vyāsadeva first of all made his life perfect. . Yes. . How he made his life perfect? . Because if you write books without any perfection, that will not be effective. . One has to become perfect before he writes some books. . So in this way he made his life first of all perfect, then he wrote this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam after becoming perfect. . Therefore you will find in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, each word is transcendental. . Each word is full of meaning and transcendental knowledge, because the writer, the composer of this transcendental book, is Vyāsadeva. He is perfect, Vedavyāsa, perfect in Vedic knowledge. . (Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.7.6-April 18, 1975-Vṛndāvana) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ “The statements of Thakura Bhaktivinode are as good as scriptures because he is liberated person.” . (Letter to Janardana-New York-26 April, 1968) https://prabhupadabooks.com/.../april/26/1968/janardana ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " So unless one is self-realized, there is practically no use writing about Kṛṣṇa. . This transcendental writing does not depend on material education. . It depends on the spiritual realization. . You'll find, therefore, in the comments of Bhāgavatam by different ācāryas, even there are some discrepancies, they are accepted as asat-patha. . It should remain as it is." Lectures : Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.5.23-24 -- Vrndavana, March 31, 1976 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But we must select only those books written by tattva-darśīs (jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ), not the books of so-called scholars who claim knowledge only on the basis of a doctorate. (SB 9.10.3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prabhupāda: A realized soul, must be. Otherwise, simply by imitating A-B-C-D will not help. My purports are liked by people because it is presented as practical experience. (GBC Meets with Śrīla Prabhupāda—May 28, 1977, Vṛndāvana) https://prabhupadabooks.com/.../gbc.../vrndavana/may/28/1977
PADA: Right JD, this is odd. They are making a temple for Lord Narasimgha, and it comes crashing down and turns into dust. Same thing that happened when the real Narasimgha came to protect Prahlad, the stone pillars turned into dust.
Yeah, odd that! The government may be looking at charging people criminally, ok we know who the culprits are, the GBC's mis-managers. And yet they always have another $20,000,000 on hand to sue Bangalore all over again, but no money to get proper building permits and construction experts. They only want their lawyers to have nice buildings, not the citizens of ISKCON.
PADA: Yes R Dasa, the ISB has no contact information. There is no email address to write to any of the members. Any ordinary scholars board has contact information for the members on the site, so clearly these GBC people are hiding. But what do you expect when they just made a video, saying that acharyas are infallible and free from defects.
Wait, what? Therefore when their acharyas are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children -- that activity is pure and perfect, and moreover shastra agrees that homosexuals and pedophiles acharyas are pure and free from defects.
That means people like Bhakti Vikas swami, Krishna Kirti, Sridhara Srinivasa, Basu Ghosh etc. do not even know that worshiping homosexuals and pedophiles is not pure and free from defects? Or what?
Their real purpose? To contaminate children and train little children to believe that a chain of gurus that include debauchees and pedophiles is pure, and that is why my legal friend says they are "corrupting the morals of minors" by telling minors that homosexuals and pedophiles are part of a pure chain of gurus from God, and even deserve samadhis in the holy land. But yeah, if anyone knows how to contact all these guys let us know.
I hope Bangalore uses this in their court case, they are now saying that a chain of gurus that includes debauchees is pure and free from defects and they are degrading Krishna's guru parampara. In other words, they hate Krishna and want to see pedophiles and deviants being worshiped as His successors, which is what they have been doing since 1978.
ys pd
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GBC’S DECEIT # EIGHT of TEN:
OFF-THE-WALL CONCLUSIONS, SELECTIVE OMISSIONS
(1) GBC stated that since many devotees ate Srila Prabhupada’s maha prasadam in 1977 and they did not become ill, therefore Srila Prabhupada was not poisoned. This insane logic assumes Srila Prabhupada was poisoned via food that was then distributed. However, most likely, poison was given intermittently or in food/drinks which were not distributed. Poisoners would know not to poison others too, to avoid detection.
(2) GBC never explained their hero Tamal Krishna Goswami’s “mercy killing” interview, Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning statements, nor Srila Prabhupada’s conversation with his caretakers, who clearly accept and acknowledge Srila Prabhupada’s homicidal poisoning. Why?
(3) A GBC film included a clip from Primeau Forensics on how whispers are often misinterpreted by what the listener wants to hear, recommending a forensic analysis, and yet, the GBC never countered eight expert audio forensic studies on these whispers with their own study. Why?
(4) GBC stated that caretakers would not talk/whisper about poisoning on tape, so the “poison theory” is ridiculous. BUT: multiple forensic studies have verified the poison whispers, so it appears the caretakers thought the tape recorder could not pick up their background speaking! Also, why were they whispering?
(5) GBC says the “poison theory” was concocted from nothing due to malice. What matters is the messenger’s hidden motives, not the real evidence? This is standard propaganda methodology: to attribute an ill motive to the adversary and discard the facts. But the evidence of poisoning is irrefutable, certified, and not a theory.
(6) GBC book: “To suggest that Srila Prabhupada felt like he was being poisoned by his most trusted men implies he didn’t have common sense to immediately send anyone away he did not trust. …he could summon mystic powers and know who was betraying him… Srila Prabhupada just went along with it? Srila Prabhupada would have outsmarted his envious disciples and is offensively portrayed like a confused martyr, willing to sacrifice his own life, being so tolerant, compassionate.”
This errant interpretation negates Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning? This idea that he would have saved himself and stopped the poisoning is flawed. Jesus accepted his crucifixion, carrying his own cross, and did not use mystic powers to save himself. Did Haridas Thakur stop his tormentors? What of Prahlad or Mirabhai? Yes, the pure devotee has inconceivable mercy and tolerance.
(7) GBC: “With all due respect to Dr. Morris and his Hyperpure Dermanium Generator Detector at Univ. Missouri, he simply isn’t a toxicological expert.” But Dr. Morris did not make a toxicological evaluation of the cadmium findings (he simply did the tests). Meanwhile, the GBC has no experts on 250 X normal average hair cadmium, and instead, they ridicule Dr. Morris. Such hypocrisy! Dr. J S Morris has testified in court hundreds of times and his credentials were never questioned.
(8) GBC: “If this were heard by a trial jury, the prosecuting attorney would have to explain with great detail where the poison was acquired, who obtained it and how they learned to administer it.” Actually, the hair tests are court-quality proof that Srila Prabhupada WAS lethally, homicidally poisoned, and who did the poisoning is a separate issue. The GBC ridicules the notion of cadmium poisoning as “complicated, difficult.” But cadmium salts are readily available and can easily taint food/drink, and hair tests prove a lethal poisoning took place. A six-year forensic study by Truth Labs (India) determined the caretakers did it, likely led by Tamal.
(9) GBC: “This poison conspiracy has caused so much alienation, hurt, resentment, and chaos in all branches of the Vaishnava community, and this rumor has been so disruptive to Lord Chaitanya’s movement.” Well, the truth can hurt, but ultimately it heals, and honesty is the best path. Why hide from or fear the truth? We must use our intelligence to ascertain the truth. Study the facts and evidence-- judge for yourself.
(10) GBC: “The hair samples, which changed hands many times, were not stored in a clean, controlled environment and could have even been replaced with other hairs by a zealot disciple, are all possible.” This is false. The hair samples’ chain of custody was impeccable, fully documented, and the GBC had custody throughout (and no one else). Dr. Morris was engaged by the GBC’s Balavanta das. This doubt-mongering is dishonesty and deception. Why does the GBC disparage the tests they arranged with Dr. Morris and invited others to pay for? Further, there is so much other evidence confirming the hair tests.
PADA: Yeah but worshiping homosexuals and pedophiles as messiahs has not caused any hurt and alienation. See what I mean with these guys? ys pd
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PADA: Oh oh pilgrims, this is the person who said he was going to stop America from wasting billions and trillions of dollars on foreign wars:
PADA: Well there you have it folks. The ISKCON India Scholars Bureau (Sridhara Srinivasa, Basu Ghosh, Bhakti Vikas swami etc.) says -- (1) shastra and the acharya are always free from defects. Therefore -- (2) acharyas who are free from defects are often deviating worse than karmis -- and are thus -- engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, drinking Vodka, taking drugs, watching porno, orchestrating crimes including murders etc. And all of this is authorized -- by shastra and is free of defects.
Then (3) their falling down acharyas are having the sincere Vaishnavas kicked out, removed, banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed -- when those "dissenting" Vaishnavas refuse to promote their program of worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as God's "free from defects" messiah's.
And all of this is "found in shastra." Correct. It is found in shastra. It is called the Devil's Bible. And you GBC even had that crazy "GBC guru" Suhotra swami bragging that he was related to Anton La Vey, the Devil's main advocate who wrote "The Satanic Bible" and "The Devil’s Notebook."
Sorry, to say that illicit sex with men, women and chidren is "free from defects" means, you are advocating for fallen behavior as perfection. Shastra says, the people who twist the shastra to promote false gurus are going to the most obnoxious regions.
Gurus engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children are acharyas -- free from defects? Nope, not even in a Satanic society. The Satanists do not worship pedophiles, even they know this is very defective.
ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
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December 15th, 2025
For the Welfare of All
Truth is often first ridiculed, mocked, then opposed, often violently, and then accepted as self-evident, obvious. Surveying the past 48 years, with respect to the realities of Srila Prabhupada’s departure pastime, it seems that particularly the past 28 years, the needle is definitely moving towards “violently opposed”, with significant percentages also gradually entering into “self-evident”, and this direction has accelerated since 2017, and that momentum has at least tripled since September 16, 2024, with the first public issuance of the Justice for Srila Prabhupada Foundation (JFSPF).
Truthfulness is a sattvic, divine quality, and certainly the truth ought to be spoken, revealed, and known, in relation to Srila Prabhupada’s departure in November 1977.
“Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented…The truth should be spoken in a straight and forward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are… Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others. That is the definition of truth.” (Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 10.4-5 purport)
“Satyam. This word means that one should not distort the truth for some personal interest.” (Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 16.1-3 purport)
Apart from, yet related to, the intrinsic virtue of truths related to the assassination by poison of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, being revealed in a respectful way, our stance and conviction is that such revelations, as they are increasingly accepted, will doubtlessly be auspicious for Srila Prabhupada’s movement, including the ISKCON organization. Often we encounter the view that, even to discuss topics related to this issue, what to speak of reveal and expose uncomfortable truths, will damage ISKCON.
We hear things like, “It will disturb the minds of sincere disciples, and unsettle devotees who are engaged in preaching Krsna consciousness”. The position seems to be that, concealment, deception and misinformation is the best possible culture to build a healthy spiritual society. It sounds absurd, because it is, and, somehow, that’s what we’re facing when attempting to discuss facts related to Srila Prabhupada being given poison, with homicidal intent, by persons close to him in 1977.
“It’s discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit.” Noel Coward
Shocking it is, though we’re encouraged, not discouraged, as the needle continues to move, gradual as it may be.
With confidence we assert that recognizing the realities surrounding Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance pastime will be vital to establish organizational integrity, and foundational for relationships, between members of ISKCON, and, with everyone, to be based on trust. Otherwise, what could be more toxic and soul-crushing, than to base a so-called spiritual community on lies and deception about the murder of its founder, the pure devotee of Krsna, Srila Prabhupada? Such coverup is increasingly becoming the elephant in the middle of the room that you dare not mention. “Elephant? What elephant?”, while everyone in the room is cramped, suffocating, dedicating massive energies to pretend that there’s no elephant.
We encourage readers to consider how revelation of what actually happened in Srila Prabhupada’s departure, might well be favorable, wonderful, for you too, personally. Imagine living and participating, in an organization, a community, where there’s room to breathe, and that’s not stifled and inundated by an atmosphere of fear and repression.
Let’s envision how much genuine spiritual joy and freedom, intrapersonally and interpersonally, will be unleashed and shine brightly, as that culture of fear and repression is transformed to a culture of honesty, openness, and safe and sacred space to genuinely reveal one’s mind and heart in confidence. And, yes, we maintain that lifting the taboo on even honestly speaking about Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance, and what actually happened, is essential, for such breakthrough transformation of community and organizational culture.
An ISKCON leader wrote to us, “Wow! I just finished reading the letter from you and Naveen Krsna prabhu ; profound, clear, clean, dignified research and manner of expression, honorably bold and courageous to challenge the silence . Thank you and the team for such sincere efforts and time going into this service of Justice For Srila Prabhupada.”
You too have the opportunity to “challenge the silence”.
“By propaganda you can establish a false thing as real. That's all. This is going on. They know how to do it. They're expert because they're cheaters. They know how to do it.” - April 14, 1975 Conversation with Srila Prabhupada in Hyderabad
Please examine seriously whether you’ve been a victim of false propaganda, and have accepted the ISKCON GBC’s statement as real and true. Here is that statement- “There is no evidence at this time to support the allegations of poisoning of Srila Prabhupada.” We invite you to consider carefully the evidence at our website- Poisoning of Srila Prabhupada - Justice For Srila Prabhupada Foundation- and determine for yourself what happened in November 1977.
Perhaps you’ll come to conclusions different than ours, and we welcome you to share your perspectives and views. We do urge you, to be independently thoughtful, as Srila Prabhupada wanted his followers to be. It is our viewpoint that the ISKCON GBC, for decades, has consistently misinformed and misguided others about the efforts in 1977 to poison Srila Prabhupada. In Srila Prabhupada’s words, as cited above, they have perpetrated false propaganda, and in this regard they are “cheaters”. Research for yourself, and in that way protect yourself from misguiding, misleading and misinforming others.
“The highest truth is reality distinguished from illusion for the welfare of all”, and that all, includes, you, and us, and everyone connected with the ISKCON organization.
Your Servants,
JFSPF Team
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THE BABAJI IMBROGLIO
Recently, some individuals who seem to be aligned with Vrindavana babaji groups (for lack of a better term), have launched a systematic trolling of Iskcon and Gaudiya Math devotees. Personally, I’m not a sentimental person — I’m not going to cry about the disrespect offered to the acharyas and lineage coming from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur by these individuals.
I will let them do the crying when they receive the reactions I suspect are coming to them for their fairly extreme level of disrespect. I personally wish to offer all respect to the elevated babajis and saintly devotees who do bhajan in Vrindavana, while simultaneously debating contentious issues honestly and respectfully — and as if I were a civilized human being.
While conversing with these gentlemen, it has become apparent to me that there is widespread confusion about Vaishnava tridanda sannyasa in these babaji groups, but also amongst many other devotees as well. Here is a brief overview of tridanda sannyasa as described in shastra:
Firstly, Bhagavatam 10.86.2-3 has the word “tri-daṇḍī” in the Sanskrit, in a brief reference to tridanda sannyasa. However, chapter 23 of the 11th canto is entirely dedicated to describing a Vaishnava tridandi sannyasi—the Avanti Brahmana. Instead of using the BBT translations of the disciples of Srila Prabhupada, I will use the translations of the scholar G. V. Tagare (published in 1950), because then nobody can suggest that the translations are biased in favor of the beliefs of a particular Gaudiya Vaishnava group.
Verse 34 of this chapter of Bhagavatam describes the Avanti Brahmana as a tridandi sannyasi:
“Some took away his triple bamboo staff (a symbol of total renunciation),……” That the Avanti Brahmana was specifically a Vaishnava sannyasi is proven in his own words:
“It is certain that Lord Hari, the embodiment of all gods, must have been graciously pleased with me and has brought me to such a state.” (Verse 28)
“I (a poor recluse as I am) shall get over the uncrossable ocean of darkness (i.e. Saṃsāra) by resorting solely to the feet of Lord Mukunda.” (Verse 58)
The Bhagavatam is far from the only Vedic text which describes tridanda sannyasa. Many Puranas and Upanishads describe tridanda sannyasa, and specifically mention that, unlike Mayavadi sannyasis, tridandis often keep their shikhas and sacred threads. Also, the wearing of reddish cloth is standard for both ekadandi and tridandi sannyasis. Here are a couple of examples:
The second kind carry three (bamboo) staves (tied together) and a waterpot, and wear tuft of hair (śikhā), sacred thread (yajñopavīṭa) and red-coloured cloth. (Bhikshuka Upanishad verse 3)
14b-16. Either he may wear a single cloth or he may wear a loin cloth. The scholar may have either a tonsured head or a tuft of hair on the head. He should have three staffs. He should be free from acceptance of gifts. He should always wear ochre-robes. (Kurma Purana part 2 ch28)
Though the three dandas (usually made of bamboo) of the tridandi sannyasi are said to represent different things in different places, here is a standard explanation of the tridanda found in shastra:
10. That man is called a (true) tridandin in whose mind these three, the control over his speech (vagdanda), the control over his thoughts (manodanda), and the control over his body (kayadanda), are firmly fixed. (Manu Smrti Ch12)
The ascetic is proclaimed Tridaṇḍī (‘having three staffs’) because he has Vāgdaṇḍa (i. e. control over speech), Karmadaṇḍa (‘control of physical action’) and Manodaṇḍa (‘control of mind’).
Lastly, yes, it is mentioned in the Brahma Vaivarta Purana that sannyasa is forbidden in Kali Yuga, yet we see that almost nobody follows this. Ramanujas, Madhvas, Ramanandis, Mayavadis, Shaivas, Aghoris, etc. all have sannyasa in their lineages. Shankaracharya, Vishnu Swami, Sridhara Swami, Ramanujacharya, Madhvacharya, Ramananda, Lord Chaitanya, etc. all took sannyasa. Many of Lord Chaitanya’s associates took sannyasa.
It is true that after the time of Lord Chaitanya, there is no record of Gaudiya Vaishnavas taking sannyasa—until the time of Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur. The tradition in Gaudiya Vaishnavism after Lord Chaitanya was to take babaji vesha (initiation), if a devotee wanted to renounce. However, a babaji is generally a reclusive sadhaka, whereas a sannyasi is meant to constantly travel, and be the guru / teacher of the other varnas and ashrams.
One takes babaji initiation more for their own spiritual benefit, and one takes sannyasa more to travel and preach. For the first time in centuries, Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur wanted to energetically and systematically spread the teachings and sankirtan movement of Lord Chaitanya. Babajis are not suitable for this purpose; sannyasis are. Therefore, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur himself took Vaishnava tridanda sannyasa, and gave tridanda sannyasa to many other devotees. If it weren’t for the mercy of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur and his disciples, many adherents of Vrindavana babaji groups around the world would have never heard of Lord Chaitanya or bhakti.
PADA: Yep, never would have heard about Krishna from these babajis. ys pd
PADA: Why did the GBC mass deviate? That is a great question. You mean to say -- not one of them stood up and said, wait hold on!: Kirtanananda is a former Mott Street boy; Jayatirtha is a former Timothy Leary disciple; Bhagavan was allegedly not paying the trash bill at the Paris temple and made a big fine, which he was chastised for;
Hansadutta's farm was raided in Germany, where they police found books about Hitler; Tamal used to regularly have to go out hunting for his "best friend" -- blooped out Bhavananda -- at Andy Warhol's house; The sannyasas were falling down repeatedly -- and sannyasa was suspended; They were always fighting among themselves; Srila Prabhupada had to stop the GBC plan to move all the householders to Australia; And many other leaders fell down -- left, right and center, and so on.
Thus -- how are any of them now engaged in pure devotional service, getting dictation from God, and they are serving the gopis? OK what happened was -- Tamal presented the Devil's Garden of Eden / Forbidden Apple to the other seniors and leaders -- "just go along with our bogus guru plan and we will make you the second echelon leaders / big time GBC help mates / well respected / highly placed seniors or managers, and give you a salary and maybe a few wives."
And enough people, especially leaders, got sucked in, and took a bite from the forbidden apple to make the program get off the ground, because many sycophants, especially other GBC and leaders, saw this as an opportunity to better their own position.
Ooops! Once the guru train left the station, it was almost impossible to put the brakes on and stop the momentum. It took on a life of its own, and people who resisted later on were banned, beaten, sued and -- killed. OK most people later on had buyer's remorse for supporting all this in the first place, they realized it was a mistake, but by then it was too late, the false guru system was now well established.
Entrenched. Someone said -- it was the GBC's sticky fly paper trap that was almost impossible to get free of, even if you wanted to. Sulochana called them "locked in nescience."
The real simple answer is, most people compromised with the GBC gurus "to go along to get along." They did not want to jeopardize their comfort zone situation in the GBC's house and challenge the guru system. People told me that, well yah, it is all going off the rails, but if I speak out, I will lose my friends.
Even Gaura Govinda Maharaja's people told me, GGM has to cooperate with the GBC gurus "to have a building." OK! A lot of people also went along with the Kauravas, same reason, they were handing out benefits and positions, and many people wanted to get these rewards. There are senior devotees even now who do not want me to mention their names, because they are on some GBC payroll or benefits process.
In sum, many big leaders sold their souls to Satan in exchange for a place in Satan's kingdom, and then everything and everyone suffered. Most of the compromisers suffered in the end. And the suffering of many of the children, even of some of the compromisers, is now a well known horror movie.
The other leaders went along to get along, and as we know from the Bhagavad Gita story, those who go along to get along will be punished along with the Kauravas themselves. The compromisers will suffer part of the same karma / fate as the main culprits, that is what happened to the Kaurava's compromisers and go along to get along folks.
Some idiot follower of the GBC just wrote to tell me, there is only one July 9th letter that the ritviks rely on for their idea. Umm nope, there are tens of thousands of quotes -- you have to worship a pure devotee. There are ZERO quotes that we have to worship conditioned souls. Nor could he show me any.
Anyway, all that created a big illusion and a lot of people got sucked in, but many are realizing now -- this is not what Krishna wants, and they are going back to the original idea of worshiping the pure devotee. The illusion is breaking down and yep, the emperor has no clothes, and people are catching on.
Of course a lot of the rank and file just left in disgust, but their voices were never counted, only the big leaders had a voice, and they drowned everyone else out. And then many people were mislead, and still are mislead. Even the media says "Srila Prabhupada's 11 appointed successors," but the false guru regime is evaporating.
Why did so many people go along, the short answer is, they wanted something which they thought the false guru regime would give them. And they ended up with nothing because false gurus cannot give us anything, they are thieves, crooks, takers and exploiters.
But they fooled some of the people some of the time, and that was all they needed to launch this madness. Of course there are sincere people in the mix, they were fooled for some time, but now more of them are coming over to our side, because they are sincere. And the Bangalore group is part of that process.
PADA: OK so the building was illegal and there is no proper plan submitted.
Not sure what happened but it looks like the concrete crumbled, leaving behind the bent and twisted rebar. Faulty concrete? Bad planning? The government is investigating, but it looks like ISKCON did not make a proper building here.
The building did not have approved building plans. Which means, this is another typical ISKCON scam. Someone from there said it looks like the concrete just disintegrated and left the rebar behind, it could also be just bad materials.
Notice how the GBC operates? The Jayapataka people complain to me I am helping lawsuits that is costing them $100,000,000, but there is no money to hire proper building construction people. Worse, just after spending $20M on the Bangalore lawsuit, the GBC wants another $20M to start another Bangalore lawsuit. In other words, the money that should go for proper buildings is instead going to buy Luis Vuitton suits for lawyers.
One of the devotees involved in this project was supposedly trying to make a bridge between the Hindus, the Muslims and the Christians. I hear about that idea a lot, the so-called ISKCON inter-faith program. Our friend said, many of not most of the Hindus eat meat, most of the Muslims and Christians also eat meat. It is therefore rather ironic that the GBC has been spending $20,000,000 to sue and remove the vegetarian Hare Krishna devotees from Bangalore, while making programs to invite in the meat eating religionists. Meat eating religions ki jaya sir!
In other words, it looks like ISKCON is more favoring the meat eating religions than the Krishna religion. So we have to spend $100,000,000 on lawsuits, and try to get rid of the actual Krishna devotees in Bangalore, all so we can make compromises with the cow eater religions.
Does this not make the GBC responsible for these deaths? Bhakti Chaitanya swami is one of the people encouraging all these $100M lawsuits, while neglecting the safety and welfare of his own people with his illegal building. Someone asked me if this makes the GBC responsible for these deaths, and I said, yes of course it does. They skim off money for gurukulas, books, temple construction etc. to feed their lawyers.
Anyway, this is a sad situation no doubt for the loved ones and God speed to these departed folks. I hope these GBC criminals are charged with criminal negligent deaths and we can get some sort of legal ruling to clamp down on these bogus messiahs. ys pd
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ANUTTAMA DEVI DEPARTS
Dhaneshvara dasa
Dear Devotees,
On Friday evening Mother Anuttama (ACBSP) left this world in the company of her husband Billy, who was chanting the holy names by her side.
You may know that she was very inspired to follow Srila Prabhupada's instructions for simple living, and with her husband Billy they created a small homestead in S. Washington state, and invited devotees to join them in making that vision a reality.
At present only Billy is there and given his age and the circumstances of losing his partner of 37 years, he is finding it difficult to take care of the animals, etc. They asked me last week to help find some help, and I've been looking since then. When I spoke with Billy today he said that he would prefer a young couple, with length of stay to be determined. IOW, it could be a (semi-)permanent arrangement for a couple interested in living the simple life. I'm sure he would also gladly accept the help of a single young man.
Please, everyone who reads this, share this with others. This can very well be a win-win situation. Anyone who is interested to know more please PM me on messenger.
PADA: She is a very good soul and wanted to make a rural community, but it never really got off the ground. She told me she had some kind of cancer, and thus she was going to cure it with natural remedies. I get it, and understand why people are not always signing up for the mundane doctor system.
Anyway she had her little farm and now it will be hard to maintain without her help, so lets hope someone or some couple can go there to care for the place in her absence. I liked her a lot and she was a very good Prabhupada person and I wish her soul to move on closer to Krishna. She is a lovely soul and will be missed. God speed spirit soul! ys pd
