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MUKUNDA UK VS NARADA UK
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-hitler-prajalpa-program-update.html
PADA: Looking at a few quotes we can find below that Srila Prabhupada clearly criticized Hitler in at many places. We can see that his many quotes criticizing Hitler are much much greater than allegedly supporting Hitler.
"So asura, to kill the asuras, however powerful they may be... We have seen. There were so many asuras in this world. There was Lenin, there was Stalin, there was Hitler, there was Hiraṇyakaśipu. So many. But they could not survive. It is not possible. They'll be finished. So asuras, to kill them ... Paritranaya sadhun..., vinasaya...(BG 4.8) To kill the duskrtam, these asuras, Krishna does not require to come. He comes only to give protection and pleasure to the devotees. That is his aim."
(Lecture on SB 1.8.20 -- Mayapura, September 30, 1974)
[PADA: Right, the first proposal is that Hitler is a demon, an asura. Why do the Hitler prajalpa people meditate on the demons, and they want the entire human society to do the same? What good is being accomplished by meditation on the asuras and demons? Glorifying the demons, ooops, that is also what the bogus GBC's false gurus do? They glorify people unworthy of such praise.
Hitler also lost the battle, whatever it was he set out to accomplish ... failed. And he apparently died from his own hand in a suicide in a bunker, self-evidently afraid to come out and fight on his own. What kind of example is this for human society to follow? We all need to all sit around in a bunker and not bother fighting ourselves, while we "manage" innocent hundreds of thousands of others to fight for us, and they are suffering and dying while we are living like kings? OK like Hitler does?
Srila Prabhupada says a leader sitting in a bunker is Kali Yuga and demoniac, the leader or King should put his own life on the line first. Yep. This is also what the false GBC's gurus do, they sit around in their offices and get their goons to come out to confront us "dissenters" on the sidewalk. Again, whatever the GBC's bogus gurus are doing, the Hitler-anugas think this is the right path for all society? What is the difference between the demons like Kamsa, who sends out various goons to fight on his behalf -- because he is too cowardly and frightened to go himself; and the Hitler-anuga's process? Hitler is also a guy who also gets various goons to fight on his behalf? And why do the Hitler-anugas glorify this mentality?
Srila Prabhupada ALSO says it is very sinful just to look at the cover of "Time" magazine, because there are often photos of these mundane politicians on the cover -- and its sinful just to see their faces. The Hitler-anugas promote and post photos of Hitler all over the place, while Srila Prabhupada says it is sinful just to see these types of people, meditate on their photos, and hear the words of such mundane men.
Why are the Hitler-anugas trying to drag the entire world down into their sinful activity of meditation on the demons and their photos? Srila Prabhupada says it is sinful, the Hitler-anugas think its wonderful, who is right? Did we forget to mention the GBC's false gurus also want people to meditate on the photos of their mundane men gurus? Birds of a feather?]
"To the atheists who are guided by the animal qualities of passion and ignorance, physically powerful men like ... Ravana, Meghnad, Jarasandha, Hitler, Mussolini, etc. are considered as Mahajans. (Srila Prabhupada)
[PADA: Hitler is being compared to the likes of "demons" of past and current times, such as Ravan, Mussolini, Jarasandha etc. Demons ALL have one thing in common, they are always exploiters of others. Sometimes they are sexual predators. For sure they are opposed to Krishna. Also notice, the asuras are controlled by the darkest modes of nature, the animal-like qualities of passion and ignorance. To sum up, the demons are controlled by the darkest natures of rajas and tamas guna, passion and ignorance, or worse -- animal consciousness. This is the direction we need to steer the human society into?
Why do these Hitler-anugas mediate on darkness, tamasic guna and animal consciousness, and they want others to do same? What is the benefit of absorbing oneself in animal consciousness, which leads one to a next birth as an animal? And if the mega-asuras are responsible for death and suffering of many others, then they are people who are going to the lowest regions of the universe, worse than the regular man on the street. Why would we mediate on such low class hell-bound persons? And why would we mix up the Vedas as allegedly supportive of these hell-bound individuals? People who cause massive suffering for others, oh I almost forgot, just like the GBC's false gurus, are the people we need to glorify. That will fix things!
As Srila Prabhupada says, a leader accepts the karma for the collective actions and reactions of all the citizen he is affecting, and if he is overseeing mass death and destruction, he will have to suffer millions of future lives to pay back the suffering he generated for millions of others. Why would we meditate on people who are going to suffer millions of future births for creating suffering for masses of other living beings? And this is the path to success? For whom? And what is the difference between these asuras causing people to suffer, and the GBC's false gurus causing people to suffer, aren't they ALL peas in a PADA?]
"The whole history of the world, you just study, is a history of sense gratification. Just take, for example, some twenty years ago one Mr. Adolf Hitler came in the scene, and there was great upheaval as war in Europe and America. From 1933 to 1947 or something like that, the whole world was in trouble. But he is gone, finished. And what did he do? Sense gratification, that's all."
(Bhagavad-gita Lecture 3.6-10. Los Angeles. 68-12-23)
[PADA: Right, Hitler created a major upheaval, and subsequent mass suffering for millions. Many died, not just from the howitzers, bullets, bombs, missiles etc., but also many hundreds of thousands of people were starving because the food and water supply system was upset and so on. Many also could not get proper water, electricity and basic food supplies for their babies and etc. Houses, apartments, hospitals, churches and schools were bombed, vehicles, roads and bridges were destroyed and so on.
In sum many people could not eat, their babies could not eat, their farm animals were starving, and the Hitler-anugas think this is a great path forward for humanity to follow? So this is why Srila Prabhupada says the asuras love to create horrible things, like atom bombs and wars that kill and destroy life, and devastates human society. Yep. "The whole world was in trouble," and that is the nature of the demons, they love to create trouble for the whole world. And some say the ISKCON GBC's gurus have done the same type thing, they created troubles all over the world for the sincere devotees, which means suffering for all of human society which is then affected.
Why do these Hitler-anugas think this path is the way forward for the world?
Lets not forget how badly many millions of animals suffered, they were also being bombed and because their system of care-takers and food and supplies was also blocked and so forth. This will make the world a better place, to have more of this suffering and death agenda?]
"No, the greater power is Krsna. If you take shelter of Krsna, they cannot do anything. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, he was a five years old boy. He took shelter of Krsna and his father was a great demon, very powerful. He wanted to chastise his boy. He could not. This is the proof. So you take shelter. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, aham tvam sarva-pape... [Bg. 18.66]. "I give you protection."
"So people have no faith although He's God. He thinks God is less powerful than Hitler. That is his nonsense. If he takes actually shelter of Krsna, what this rascal, Hitler, can do? But he has no faith in God. He thinks Prabhu Hitler is greater than Lord. Prabhu Hitler. That is the difference between the crows and the swans. The crows think that we have got food in the garbage. And the swans think that we have got food in nice garden, in the clear water. And that is difference even in the birds kingdom."
(Room Conversation with Dr. Christian Hauser, Psychiatrist. Stockholm. 73-09-10)
[PADA: Hah hah, right, the Hitler-anugas are compared to dirty filthy minded crows, simply eating garbage, talking garbage, promoting garbage etc. Nice summary! So the swans will mediate on Krishna and the crows will mediate on their neo-Nazi garbage, and that is seen even in the bird kingdom. Right! So this is very amazing, the Hitler-anugas are simply of the same mentality as garbage minded crows. And of course, that is also why they are making things harder for some of the sincere devotees by mixing up their asura consciousness, animal consciousness, modes of darkness, asura-loving death and destruction program -- with the Vedas.]
"Just like in your Western countries there was Napoleon, there was Hitler, there was Mussolini, here also, big, big leaders, but what they are? Big, big servants of the senses, that's all. Big, big servants of the senses. Therefore Bhagavata has said, sva-vid-varahosttra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuḥ (SB 2.3.19). Purusah pasuḥ: "These big, big leaders are big, big animals, that's all." Samstutah purusah pasuḥ. So there are many instructive verses in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Therefore Srimad-Bhagavatam should be your life and soul to remain constantly in Krsna consciousness, yes, the unique gift of Sri Vyasadeva.
(Lecture SB 07.09.40 MAYAPUR - March 18, 1976)
[PADA: Again, purusah pasuh, human bodies who are really thinking like big animals. And mediation on animals takes one to birth as an animal ... we become what we mediate on. So the Hitler-anugas are trying to drag the whole world to their level, and take everyone to hell -- to become "big animals" in this life and the next, by meditation on such big animals. So that means, they are already animals because that is what they meditate on. Why are they trying to get the mass of people to meditate on big animals? Srila Prabhupada explains that too: Because the asuras want to degrade the entire human society, and take them down to their level.]
"An example can help us to understand the inconceivable potency of the Supreme Lord. In the recent history of warfare the Supreme Personality of Godhead created a Hitler and, before that, a Napoleon Bonaparte, and they each killed many living entities in war. But in the end Bonaparte and Hitler were also killed. People are still very much interested in writing and reading books about Hitler and Bonaparte and how they killed so many people in war.
Year after year many books are published for public reading regarding Hitler's killing thousands of Jews in confinement. But no one is researching who killed Hitler and who created such a gigantic killer of human beings. The devotees of the Lord are not much interested in the study of the flickering history of the world. They are interested only in Him who is the original creator, maintainer and annihilator. That is the purpose of the Krsna consciousness movement."
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.11.9 Purport)
[PADA: Devotees have no interest in these topics. OK, that means the non-devotees do! Of course!]
"..defect of the modern politicians. Here at the present moment, their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he's successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Cāṇakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Lord Rāmacandra. That is difference.
Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man... Without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that "Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass." Consistency. You must change. ()
Now we have got our great personalities, leaders. They are praised, eulogized, our, these political leaders. "Our Hitler," "Our Gandhi," "Our Churchill," "Our Nixon." But sastra says these leaders, those who are not spiritual leaders, those who cannot give our life, they are worshiped by these classes of animals, animals. These so-called leaders, politicians, they are eulogized very much by whom? By these class of men: dogs, camels, asses and.." (Srila Prabhupada)
[PADA: Right, perhaps the real reason the Hitler-anugas like Hitler so much, he is a crooked man. Not honest, using deceit, using lies, using manipulation of innocent people. Hansadutta used to yell in the Berkeley temple "tell a lie so big: no one would believe a person would make up such a lie, its too big to doubt," as he was quoting Hitler's writer Mr. Goebbels. How has his thinking helped ISKCON, or even himself?
Again the Hitler-anugas think just like the bogus GBC's gurus, lets lie and cheat the mass of public. And then what? One goes down, and takes birth among -- spiders, snakes, dogs, camels and asses. Why is this the way forward for human society? So its clear, Srila Prabhupada says these Hitler-anuga conscious people are like hogs, dogs, camels, asses, they are humans in animal consciousness.
Of course bodily identification, as a Hitler-ite, or whatever it is, this is also called animal consciousness, to identify with a particular race or body is called illusion and ignorance. One Jewish lady was in a conversation with one of these people and she said, "You are more bodily conscious than I ever will be, I never discuss people's race and religions." She defeated them.]
Disciple: Nietzsche believed that everyone has a “will to power,” but that the weak seek power vainly. For instance, in his will to power, Hitler sought to subjugate as much of the world as possible, but he was ultimately unsuccessful, and he brought disaster upon himself and Germany. Instead of trying to conquer himself, he attempted to conquer others, and this is the "will to power" misdirected or misinterpreted.
Srila Prabhupada: Men like Hitler are not able to control the force of anger. A king or national leader has to use anger properly. Narottama Dasa Thakura says that we should control our powers and apply them in the proper cases. We may become angry, but our anger must be controlled.
(Beyond Illusion and Doubt. 12. Nietzsche)
[PADA: Yep, lust, anger and greed are the three gates to hell. Hey lets meditate on -- the people who are on their way there? And what is the result even now in this life, "he brought disaster to himself and Germany." Great, lets follow the people who bring about disaster to themselves and destroy their own homeland and the people therein. Sounds like a winner package! Again, Hitler and the GBC's gurus are credited with mass destruction, why is this the winning ideal?]
Prabhupada: Well, foolish men cannot accept any logic. Their logic is stick. "If you don't accept, I shall kick on your face. Accept it." That is the... That is wanted.
Karandhara: Like the example when Hitler killed the Jews. They will say, "Well, what should we do, just let Hitler go on killing the Jews because the Jews were sinful? Or should we try and stop Hitler?"
Prabhupada: Well, Hitler was imperfect and everything was imperfect. That you cannot compare Hitler's action with God's action. God is all-perfect. That is first proposition. God is all-perfect.
(Morning Walk. Los Angeles 73-12-16)
"Just like in the history of the world there were so many big, big men - Hitler, Napoleon, this Churchill, Gandhi, Nehru. But all their powers, position, in one minute it becomes vanquished. There is no question... They are so proud, they do not believe in God, but when the death comes, they cannot argue anything.
The death orders, "Immediately vacate"—finished. You have to vacate. At that time their power, opulence, position—nothing can help. So Kṛṣṇa says, therefore... The atheist class of men who do not believe in God, decry the authority of God, for them... Of course, everyone dies, but for them, mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham (BG 10.34): Kṛṣṇa comes as death and takes away everything in their possession. But foolish persons, they do not see, still.
God says, Kṛṣṇa says, that "This death I am." Still they'll not. And it is a fact. When Kṛṣṇa comes as death, as Hiraṇyakaśipu... He was atheist, did not believe in God, but when God, Nṛsiṁha-deva came, then he was vanquished, everything, within a second. Nirastaḥ. Sa tu te nirastaḥ.
(Lecture SB 07.09.23 Mayapur- March 01, 1976)
Prabhupada: Is that rational, that another living entity like me should be killed for my benefit, for satisfying my tongue?
Syamasundara: Their idea is that the animal is not in the same category as myself because it has no...
Prabhupada: So that's alright; then might is right? Hitler is right? When Hitler, Hitler kills the Jews, he's right? He thinks that they are not in my category.
Syamasundara: The animal cannot understand philosophy.
Prabhupada: What does he understand of philosophy? He is mad; he is less than an animal. He does not understand philosophy. He does not know that the animal has also a soul, the animal has also life. Then he should be killed first.
(Dialectical Spirtualism - Hegel)
[PADA: Again, Hitler is a mad man, and the GBC's gurus are mainly mad men, its the same agenda. And they both think "might is right." So Hitler thinks we can kill others who are not in our race, religion or category, this is called illusion. In any case, Hitler is LESS THAN ANIMAL. So again, the Hitler-anugas want to drag the human society to LESS THAN ANIMAL consciousness, because that is where they live. Why do we want to glorify -- less than animals, unless we are less than animals ourselves?]
"This nationalism, this nationalism also the same mistake, but they are fighting so much. Great, great, big, big men. In this country, Napoleon fought. In Germany, Hitler fought. And so many others, in our country Gandhi fought. But he is in ignorance. All these big big leaders, they are ignorance, andha, blind. Blind. They do not know that he is not this body and neither this land belongs to him. But they fight. The whole history of the world means this mistaken idea. "I" and "mine." Therefore Krsna says, yat taj jnanam. Ksetra-ksetrajnayor yat taj-jnanam matam mama. Krsna is giving, that one should know what he is and one should know what is his body, then he is in knowledge. The matter cannot understand this. The dogs, cats, cannot understand this. But a human being can understand this. Bhagavad-gita is meant for the human being, not for the cats and dogs. Therefore, the human society should take care of this knowledge. Then his life will be successful.(Lecture on BG 13.3 -- Paris, August 11, 1973)
[PADA: Well there you have it: the blind leading the blind; creating troubles for the entire world; demons, asuras, hogs, dogs, camels, asses, modes of darkness, cannot control anger; killing others because they are not of the same bodily identity, and so on and so forth. This is not the agenda that Krishna supports, plain and simple. ys pd]
PADA: Oh oh pilgrims Mukunda UK is saying that Nathan Hartley (Narada dasa) wants Srila Prabhupada Truthers in jail. OK that is because Mukunda is not following Srila Prabhupada's direct orders -- not to discuss Hitler.
After Hansadutta's Schloss was raided -- and the police found Mein Kamph type books there, this created a scandal in the German media. After that -- Srila Prabhupada forbade his followers from discussing Hitler, and he even put that into his Srimad Bhagavatam, his followers should NOT discuss Hiter. But Mukunda does not follow Srila Prabhupada. Every Vaishnava camp has wrote to PADA to complain about Mukunda's Hitler nonsense.
But it is far worse than that. Mukunda also promotes people like Saint Radhanath's cheer leader Bhakta dasa, and the writings of Bhavananda's bucket boy Hari Sauri. The Dallas courts found that New Vrndavana was one of the worst examples of child abuse. Never mind Radhanath is alleged to have had a role in getting rid of Sulochana. Why is Mukunda promoting the mass child abuse program's cheer leaders, and probable help mate causes of Sulochana's departure?
Never mind Hari Sauri's Mayapur is probably worse for child abuse than New Vrndavana. Why is Mukunda in bed with the molester messiah's program's defenders and henchmen?
Then HKC Jaipur folks started to promote Mukunda, same thing, they are in the same bed. Sorry, Nathan Hartley is correct, Srila Prabhupada does not want his followers to promote Hitler-ness. It is giving Krishna a bad media image. And when it comes to who should be in jail, promoters of the cheer leaders of a pedophile guru process need to be in jail.
Ask some of the victims! And no small amount of victims have told me Mukunda is just another defender of the pedophile guru's program because he is promoting their cheer leaders. He is just another member of the gang, pretending he isn't. Same thing victims have told me about Mathura Pati etc.
In any case, promoting Hitler is never going to make Krishna look good, because Hitler is an asura and promoting him makes Krishna look like he favors asuras and their agendas.
PADA: Looking at a few quotes we can find below that Srila Prabhupada clearly criticized Hitler in at many places. We can see that his many quotes criticizing Hitler are much much greater than allegedly supporting Hitler.
"So asura, to kill the asuras, however powerful they may be... We have seen. There were so many asuras in this world. There was Lenin, there was Stalin, there was Hitler, there was Hiraṇyakaśipu. So many. But they could not survive. It is not possible. They'll be finished. So asuras, to kill them ... Paritranaya sadhun..., vinasaya...(BG 4.8) To kill the duskrtam, these asuras, Krishna does not require to come. He comes only to give protection and pleasure to the devotees. That is his aim."
(Lecture on SB 1.8.20 -- Mayapura, September 30, 1974)
[PADA: Right, the first proposal is that Hitler is a demon, an asura. Why do the Hitler prajalpa people meditate on the demons, and they want the entire human society to do the same? What good is being accomplished by meditation on the asuras and demons? Glorifying the demons, ooops, that is also what the bogus GBC's false gurus do? They glorify people unworthy of such praise.
Hitler also lost the battle, whatever it was he set out to accomplish ... failed. And he apparently died from his own hand in a suicide in a bunker, self-evidently afraid to come out and fight on his own. What kind of example is this for human society to follow? We all need to all sit around in a bunker and not bother fighting ourselves, while we "manage" innocent hundreds of thousands of others to fight for us, and they are suffering and dying while we are living like kings? OK like Hitler does?
Srila Prabhupada says a leader sitting in a bunker is Kali Yuga and demoniac, the leader or King should put his own life on the line first. Yep. This is also what the false GBC's gurus do, they sit around in their offices and get their goons to come out to confront us "dissenters" on the sidewalk. Again, whatever the GBC's bogus gurus are doing, the Hitler-anugas think this is the right path for all society? What is the difference between the demons like Kamsa, who sends out various goons to fight on his behalf -- because he is too cowardly and frightened to go himself; and the Hitler-anuga's process? Hitler is also a guy who also gets various goons to fight on his behalf? And why do the Hitler-anugas glorify this mentality?
Srila Prabhupada ALSO says it is very sinful just to look at the cover of "Time" magazine, because there are often photos of these mundane politicians on the cover -- and its sinful just to see their faces. The Hitler-anugas promote and post photos of Hitler all over the place, while Srila Prabhupada says it is sinful just to see these types of people, meditate on their photos, and hear the words of such mundane men.
Why are the Hitler-anugas trying to drag the entire world down into their sinful activity of meditation on the demons and their photos? Srila Prabhupada says it is sinful, the Hitler-anugas think its wonderful, who is right? Did we forget to mention the GBC's false gurus also want people to meditate on the photos of their mundane men gurus? Birds of a feather?]
"To the atheists who are guided by the animal qualities of passion and ignorance, physically powerful men like ... Ravana, Meghnad, Jarasandha, Hitler, Mussolini, etc. are considered as Mahajans. (Srila Prabhupada)
[PADA: Hitler is being compared to the likes of "demons" of past and current times, such as Ravan, Mussolini, Jarasandha etc. Demons ALL have one thing in common, they are always exploiters of others. Sometimes they are sexual predators. For sure they are opposed to Krishna. Also notice, the asuras are controlled by the darkest modes of nature, the animal-like qualities of passion and ignorance. To sum up, the demons are controlled by the darkest natures of rajas and tamas guna, passion and ignorance, or worse -- animal consciousness. This is the direction we need to steer the human society into?
Why do these Hitler-anugas mediate on darkness, tamasic guna and animal consciousness, and they want others to do same? What is the benefit of absorbing oneself in animal consciousness, which leads one to a next birth as an animal? And if the mega-asuras are responsible for death and suffering of many others, then they are people who are going to the lowest regions of the universe, worse than the regular man on the street. Why would we mediate on such low class hell-bound persons? And why would we mix up the Vedas as allegedly supportive of these hell-bound individuals? People who cause massive suffering for others, oh I almost forgot, just like the GBC's false gurus, are the people we need to glorify. That will fix things!
As Srila Prabhupada says, a leader accepts the karma for the collective actions and reactions of all the citizen he is affecting, and if he is overseeing mass death and destruction, he will have to suffer millions of future lives to pay back the suffering he generated for millions of others. Why would we meditate on people who are going to suffer millions of future births for creating suffering for masses of other living beings? And this is the path to success? For whom? And what is the difference between these asuras causing people to suffer, and the GBC's false gurus causing people to suffer, aren't they ALL peas in a PADA?]
"The whole history of the world, you just study, is a history of sense gratification. Just take, for example, some twenty years ago one Mr. Adolf Hitler came in the scene, and there was great upheaval as war in Europe and America. From 1933 to 1947 or something like that, the whole world was in trouble. But he is gone, finished. And what did he do? Sense gratification, that's all."
(Bhagavad-gita Lecture 3.6-10. Los Angeles. 68-12-23)
[PADA: Right, Hitler created a major upheaval, and subsequent mass suffering for millions. Many died, not just from the howitzers, bullets, bombs, missiles etc., but also many hundreds of thousands of people were starving because the food and water supply system was upset and so on. Many also could not get proper water, electricity and basic food supplies for their babies and etc. Houses, apartments, hospitals, churches and schools were bombed, vehicles, roads and bridges were destroyed and so on.
In sum many people could not eat, their babies could not eat, their farm animals were starving, and the Hitler-anugas think this is a great path forward for humanity to follow? So this is why Srila Prabhupada says the asuras love to create horrible things, like atom bombs and wars that kill and destroy life, and devastates human society. Yep. "The whole world was in trouble," and that is the nature of the demons, they love to create trouble for the whole world. And some say the ISKCON GBC's gurus have done the same type thing, they created troubles all over the world for the sincere devotees, which means suffering for all of human society which is then affected.
Why do these Hitler-anugas think this path is the way forward for the world?
Lets not forget how badly many millions of animals suffered, they were also being bombed and because their system of care-takers and food and supplies was also blocked and so forth. This will make the world a better place, to have more of this suffering and death agenda?]
"No, the greater power is Krsna. If you take shelter of Krsna, they cannot do anything. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, he was a five years old boy. He took shelter of Krsna and his father was a great demon, very powerful. He wanted to chastise his boy. He could not. This is the proof. So you take shelter. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, aham tvam sarva-pape... [Bg. 18.66]. "I give you protection."
"So people have no faith although He's God. He thinks God is less powerful than Hitler. That is his nonsense. If he takes actually shelter of Krsna, what this rascal, Hitler, can do? But he has no faith in God. He thinks Prabhu Hitler is greater than Lord. Prabhu Hitler. That is the difference between the crows and the swans. The crows think that we have got food in the garbage. And the swans think that we have got food in nice garden, in the clear water. And that is difference even in the birds kingdom."
(Room Conversation with Dr. Christian Hauser, Psychiatrist. Stockholm. 73-09-10)
[PADA: Hah hah, right, the Hitler-anugas are compared to dirty filthy minded crows, simply eating garbage, talking garbage, promoting garbage etc. Nice summary! So the swans will mediate on Krishna and the crows will mediate on their neo-Nazi garbage, and that is seen even in the bird kingdom. Right! So this is very amazing, the Hitler-anugas are simply of the same mentality as garbage minded crows. And of course, that is also why they are making things harder for some of the sincere devotees by mixing up their asura consciousness, animal consciousness, modes of darkness, asura-loving death and destruction program -- with the Vedas.]
"Just like in your Western countries there was Napoleon, there was Hitler, there was Mussolini, here also, big, big leaders, but what they are? Big, big servants of the senses, that's all. Big, big servants of the senses. Therefore Bhagavata has said, sva-vid-varahosttra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuḥ (SB 2.3.19). Purusah pasuḥ: "These big, big leaders are big, big animals, that's all." Samstutah purusah pasuḥ. So there are many instructive verses in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Therefore Srimad-Bhagavatam should be your life and soul to remain constantly in Krsna consciousness, yes, the unique gift of Sri Vyasadeva.
(Lecture SB 07.09.40 MAYAPUR - March 18, 1976)
[PADA: Again, purusah pasuh, human bodies who are really thinking like big animals. And mediation on animals takes one to birth as an animal ... we become what we mediate on. So the Hitler-anugas are trying to drag the whole world to their level, and take everyone to hell -- to become "big animals" in this life and the next, by meditation on such big animals. So that means, they are already animals because that is what they meditate on. Why are they trying to get the mass of people to meditate on big animals? Srila Prabhupada explains that too: Because the asuras want to degrade the entire human society, and take them down to their level.]
"An example can help us to understand the inconceivable potency of the Supreme Lord. In the recent history of warfare the Supreme Personality of Godhead created a Hitler and, before that, a Napoleon Bonaparte, and they each killed many living entities in war. But in the end Bonaparte and Hitler were also killed. People are still very much interested in writing and reading books about Hitler and Bonaparte and how they killed so many people in war.
Year after year many books are published for public reading regarding Hitler's killing thousands of Jews in confinement. But no one is researching who killed Hitler and who created such a gigantic killer of human beings. The devotees of the Lord are not much interested in the study of the flickering history of the world. They are interested only in Him who is the original creator, maintainer and annihilator. That is the purpose of the Krsna consciousness movement."
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.11.9 Purport)
[PADA: Devotees have no interest in these topics. OK, that means the non-devotees do! Of course!]
"..defect of the modern politicians. Here at the present moment, their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he's successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Cāṇakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Lord Rāmacandra. That is difference.
Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man... Without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that "Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass." Consistency. You must change. ()
Now we have got our great personalities, leaders. They are praised, eulogized, our, these political leaders. "Our Hitler," "Our Gandhi," "Our Churchill," "Our Nixon." But sastra says these leaders, those who are not spiritual leaders, those who cannot give our life, they are worshiped by these classes of animals, animals. These so-called leaders, politicians, they are eulogized very much by whom? By these class of men: dogs, camels, asses and.." (Srila Prabhupada)
[PADA: Right, perhaps the real reason the Hitler-anugas like Hitler so much, he is a crooked man. Not honest, using deceit, using lies, using manipulation of innocent people. Hansadutta used to yell in the Berkeley temple "tell a lie so big: no one would believe a person would make up such a lie, its too big to doubt," as he was quoting Hitler's writer Mr. Goebbels. How has his thinking helped ISKCON, or even himself?
Again the Hitler-anugas think just like the bogus GBC's gurus, lets lie and cheat the mass of public. And then what? One goes down, and takes birth among -- spiders, snakes, dogs, camels and asses. Why is this the way forward for human society? So its clear, Srila Prabhupada says these Hitler-anuga conscious people are like hogs, dogs, camels, asses, they are humans in animal consciousness.
Of course bodily identification, as a Hitler-ite, or whatever it is, this is also called animal consciousness, to identify with a particular race or body is called illusion and ignorance. One Jewish lady was in a conversation with one of these people and she said, "You are more bodily conscious than I ever will be, I never discuss people's race and religions." She defeated them.]
Disciple: Nietzsche believed that everyone has a “will to power,” but that the weak seek power vainly. For instance, in his will to power, Hitler sought to subjugate as much of the world as possible, but he was ultimately unsuccessful, and he brought disaster upon himself and Germany. Instead of trying to conquer himself, he attempted to conquer others, and this is the "will to power" misdirected or misinterpreted.
Srila Prabhupada: Men like Hitler are not able to control the force of anger. A king or national leader has to use anger properly. Narottama Dasa Thakura says that we should control our powers and apply them in the proper cases. We may become angry, but our anger must be controlled.
(Beyond Illusion and Doubt. 12. Nietzsche)
[PADA: Yep, lust, anger and greed are the three gates to hell. Hey lets meditate on -- the people who are on their way there? And what is the result even now in this life, "he brought disaster to himself and Germany." Great, lets follow the people who bring about disaster to themselves and destroy their own homeland and the people therein. Sounds like a winner package! Again, Hitler and the GBC's gurus are credited with mass destruction, why is this the winning ideal?]
Prabhupada: Well, foolish men cannot accept any logic. Their logic is stick. "If you don't accept, I shall kick on your face. Accept it." That is the... That is wanted.
Karandhara: Like the example when Hitler killed the Jews. They will say, "Well, what should we do, just let Hitler go on killing the Jews because the Jews were sinful? Or should we try and stop Hitler?"
Prabhupada: Well, Hitler was imperfect and everything was imperfect. That you cannot compare Hitler's action with God's action. God is all-perfect. That is first proposition. God is all-perfect.
(Morning Walk. Los Angeles 73-12-16)
"Just like in the history of the world there were so many big, big men - Hitler, Napoleon, this Churchill, Gandhi, Nehru. But all their powers, position, in one minute it becomes vanquished. There is no question... They are so proud, they do not believe in God, but when the death comes, they cannot argue anything.
The death orders, "Immediately vacate"—finished. You have to vacate. At that time their power, opulence, position—nothing can help. So Kṛṣṇa says, therefore... The atheist class of men who do not believe in God, decry the authority of God, for them... Of course, everyone dies, but for them, mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham (BG 10.34): Kṛṣṇa comes as death and takes away everything in their possession. But foolish persons, they do not see, still.
God says, Kṛṣṇa says, that "This death I am." Still they'll not. And it is a fact. When Kṛṣṇa comes as death, as Hiraṇyakaśipu... He was atheist, did not believe in God, but when God, Nṛsiṁha-deva came, then he was vanquished, everything, within a second. Nirastaḥ. Sa tu te nirastaḥ.
(Lecture SB 07.09.23 Mayapur- March 01, 1976)
Prabhupada: Is that rational, that another living entity like me should be killed for my benefit, for satisfying my tongue?
Syamasundara: Their idea is that the animal is not in the same category as myself because it has no...
Prabhupada: So that's alright; then might is right? Hitler is right? When Hitler, Hitler kills the Jews, he's right? He thinks that they are not in my category.
Syamasundara: The animal cannot understand philosophy.
Prabhupada: What does he understand of philosophy? He is mad; he is less than an animal. He does not understand philosophy. He does not know that the animal has also a soul, the animal has also life. Then he should be killed first.
(Dialectical Spirtualism - Hegel)
[PADA: Again, Hitler is a mad man, and the GBC's gurus are mainly mad men, its the same agenda. And they both think "might is right." So Hitler thinks we can kill others who are not in our race, religion or category, this is called illusion. In any case, Hitler is LESS THAN ANIMAL. So again, the Hitler-anugas want to drag the human society to LESS THAN ANIMAL consciousness, because that is where they live. Why do we want to glorify -- less than animals, unless we are less than animals ourselves?]
"This nationalism, this nationalism also the same mistake, but they are fighting so much. Great, great, big, big men. In this country, Napoleon fought. In Germany, Hitler fought. And so many others, in our country Gandhi fought. But he is in ignorance. All these big big leaders, they are ignorance, andha, blind. Blind. They do not know that he is not this body and neither this land belongs to him. But they fight. The whole history of the world means this mistaken idea. "I" and "mine." Therefore Krsna says, yat taj jnanam. Ksetra-ksetrajnayor yat taj-jnanam matam mama. Krsna is giving, that one should know what he is and one should know what is his body, then he is in knowledge. The matter cannot understand this. The dogs, cats, cannot understand this. But a human being can understand this. Bhagavad-gita is meant for the human being, not for the cats and dogs. Therefore, the human society should take care of this knowledge. Then his life will be successful.(Lecture on BG 13.3 -- Paris, August 11, 1973)
[PADA: Well there you have it: the blind leading the blind; creating troubles for the entire world; demons, asuras, hogs, dogs, camels, asses, modes of darkness, cannot control anger; killing others because they are not of the same bodily identity, and so on and so forth. This is not the agenda that Krishna supports, plain and simple. ys pd]
