Sorry, I am sticking with Them.
PADA: I have decided to make a clarification on my position on Henry Doktorski. Yes. He has done a lot of valuable work in recording the who, what, where and when in the post 1977 New Vrndavana history. And he nails the fact that Radhanath was involved in Sulochana's murder with facts and eye witness testimony. Very valuable.
At the same time, we all know Henry holds a big grudge against Srila Prabhupada, and maybe Krishna, for Krishna's giving us Srila Prabhupada, and hence our getting Krishna's words in Krishna's shastra. For example, he challenges me if I accept Srila Prahbupada's statements -- yes or no? Well the main statements of importance are, Krishna is God and we must treat all of His particles with love and respect. And we should never worship conditioned souls as gurus, which will cause chaos etc. Yes, I accept that.
But Henry will never stand in front of a Church holding a Bible, and challenging them if they accept odd ball statements from the Bible -- yes or no, because he has made a livelihood working for and with them, and hanging out at their Church. So Henry cherry picks which shastra he wants to attack and which to remain silent and acquiescing on.
Mind you the Christian's mis-use of shastra has caused much more damage to the world than the misuse of the Vedas. Henry also does not seem to understand, there are good Christians, who would not harm others, and there are bad Christians who bomb baby hospitals, but that does not mean Jesus intended any of the bad. Nor would I blame Jesus for the bad, but there are lots of people who do curse at Jesus. And the Bible is full of things that might justify cruel behavior, but a good Christian will not employ that. Neither would I.
Henry gleefully cites that Satya Vani shastra, ok the very same people who are angry that Krishna's words are being leaked out, and saving many hundreds or thousands of people -- like me -- from being disconnected from Krishna. And Srila Prabhupada's words are the words which connect me and others to Krishna.
Read: these people are angry and upset someone like me is no longer eating cows, smoking cigarettes, and is now NOT going to rot in hell for millions of years and then taking birth as a cow to be slaughtered and eaten. That is where I'd be now without Krishna's teachings.
In sum! They are envious of people being saved from hell and future suffering. OK they are envious people, and they direct or de facto wanted me to suffer, die and die over and over -- and be made into hamburgers -- because they resent that we have got Krishna in our lives from Srila Prabhupada. Ok what kind of people want me and others to go to hell and suffer? We know, it is the Satya Vanis and their promoters.
Srila Prabhupada said they are envious of us, and they clearly are. Anyone who is upset people are being connected to Krishna is also not only envious of us, and Srila Prabhupada, but is also envious of Krishna because the words of Krishna are being distributed, and they hate that -- self evident -- because?
They hate Krishna?
Seems to be the case, as many folks told us. Why is Henry citing the people who self evidently hate someone who is distributing Krishna's words -- which are saving us fallen souls? And Henry says he does not know they are doing that, when they have plastered article after article after article attacking us, Srila Prabhupada, and Krishna's words being distributed by same?
OK Henry is promoting the identical people who are attacking us, Srila Prabhupada, and who attacked Prabhupada's Prabhupada in the 1930s, because Srila Prabhupada is giving us Krishna. Which means yah -- Henry is also attacking Krishna because he is upset Krishna arranged our getting Him from Srila Prabhupada.
They wanted us to stay rotting here in the material world -- and rot here forever, and they have been doing that since the 1930s -- when they were upset Srila Saraswati was liberating folks with Krishna's words. Anyone who gives Krishna to others -- needs to be attacked. OK this is called demoniac mentality, which makes sense even to an ordinary man. Blocking or discouraging the words of God is going to cause people to suffer and go to hell.
Henry and Satya Vani try to paint Srila Prabhupada / the Vedas / Lord Krishna as purveyors of the idea that exploiting others is acceptable, or even desired. And thus women, children, elders and others can be exploited and mistreated because that is what the Krishna religion teaches. That is clearly not the impression me and probably hundreds of thousands of others have had from Srila Prabhupada's teachings.
I never for an instant thought I had a license to mistreat anyone, never mind vulnerable women, children, seniors and etc. from the teachings of Krishna. Rather even today I carefully move black widow spiders around when I come across them in my garden, because my impression of the teachings of Krishna is -- that I cannot mistreat any other living thing.
These other living beings are ALL parts of Krishna. And for me to harm them is forbidden and not allowed, never mind black widow spiders, but how much more care we need to take with actual devotees of Krishna.
I never thought for an instant that Srila Prabhupada authorizes me, or anyone else, to harm any living being, especially Krishna's devotees, and especially the vulnerables like women and children. But Henry and his group seem to think that mistreating others is taught by Krishna or His religion. It isn't. I never thought for an instant that that is the teachings of Krishna.
What happened then? Well when CBS news Jane Wallace went to New Vrndavana and filmed Kirtanananda covered with the hands of many boys, she then came here to San Francisco to meet me. She asked me -- is this Kirtanananda program pedophile's heaven? When I said "yes it is," she gasped in relief. She said thank God we met you, all the other Krishnas (OK the Henry and cohorts sabha) think this is some divine activity.
Henry was in that divine activity illusion group, to my EXTREME PERIL. And to give him some rationalizing excuse, OK yes many of our God brothers ALSO were at New Vrndavana going along with all that. So he was misinformed about what the religion really stands for. Pedophile heaven is not authorized in the Vedas, it was authorized by Henry's program.
So Henry got the idea that all this was taught by Srila Prabhupada. Nope. Never was. That was not what he said. What he actually said is, worship of conditioned souls is a path to the lower realms. Exploiting other beings drags a person to hell etc.
Kirtanananda was a gay guy who did not like women, but that does not mean he represents Krishna. Nor did Srila Prabhupada ever tell me he does represent Krishna. Rather, Srila Prabhupada said he is a crazy man who belongs in Bellevue. And it was known to us that he challenged Srila Prabhupada a number of times, and he was a former Mott Street boy etc. I thought in 1972 that he is envious of Srila Prabhupada, he is challenging, and he is therefore never to be advertised as Krishna's pure devotee successor. Never believed that for a second.
And Kirtanananda was envious and so were other leaders. And so was Judas at the time of Jesus. To think a Mott Street boy could become God's successor is 100% smoke and mirrors illusion, plain and simple. And Henry and others drank that kool aid, and now he holds a grudge against others for his being fooled, when he is the person who made these choices. We said all along, this is THEIR (Henry's) wrong choice.
It means Kirtanananda represents himself. Unfortunately many people thought Kirtanananda was Krishna's representative, but he wasn't. Ever. So now Henry is on a campaign to discredit Srila Prabhupada, and prove that the Krishna religion promotes exploiting and mistreating, and Mott Street fools for gurus. Of course Henry would never speak a peep about the Christians, who created most of the actual exploiting in this world. He has unlimited tolerance for other religion's exploiting.
But to say that the Krishna religion wanted or licensed exploiting is simply, misrepresenting the teachings. Illicit sex leads a person to hell, that is the actual teachings and we all know that. But then Henry finds these Satya Vani people, who say the teaching of the Krishna religion is that we have a license to exploit females, and he says they are presenting the truthful history of all this. No the history is, they despised us and misrepresented Krishna's actual teachings as a licence to exploit.
So in other words Henry and many others got cheated by the GBC gurus into thinking the Krishna religion teaches exploiting is valid, and then he blames the religion for the subsequent exploiting. No, the religion teaches that we cannot step on an ant, that is very sinful, never mind we cannot step on others.
In any case I simply can not believe Henry did not know about the Satya Vanis. They openly hate us, hate Srila Prabhupada, and they hate Krishna -- because people are now becoming Krishna devotees thanks to Krishna sending us Srila Prabhupada. And all that is plain as day by reading their materials for 15 seconds.
Henry thus knows they hate us, hate Srila Prabhupada and hate us having Krishna, because that is what they are all about, and everyone else who looks at their stuff knows the same thing. And we knew that from our time in India, we are the low class Western, mlecchas, hippies and all that. OK but we are all parts of Krishna too, or aren't we?
And others all tell me the same thing. They despise us, despise Srila Prabhupada, and despise Krishna for sending Srila Prabhupada to us, thus over riding their caste and birth claim to have a monopoly on Krishna, as their personal money making business.
Henry was really gloating that he found these Satya Vani people who hate us, and then he says he will ask them about it and get back to me. There is nothing to ask? They despise us, and if someone is promoting them, they are joining the despising us team. Or they despised us all along and just finally the real colors came out with it?
PADA TO HENRY:
Thanks prabhu. I have already made a detailed account of my gripes with their group on the blog. As I pointed out already, these people were against Srila Saraswati -- and Srila Prabhupada said these "saints by birth" lines, such as the Satya Vanis, were trying to kill his guru. They believe in taking birth in a family of the descendents of Lord Chaitanya makes them saints, hence they hold a grudge against Srila Saraswati in the 1930s for bringing in "lower caste" people, and later they objected to us dirty mleccha Western people taking to the religion when we were in India in 1971.
They need to keep their "saints by birth" program going so they can exploit people as a "saints by birth" business, and therefore our competition needs to be checked. We are giving out Krishna wholesale and that is intolerable for the people trying to exploit and monopolize His message. OK they are envious of us and Krishna and they are using Krishna, as Srila Prabhupada says, as a family business. Of course there are many other "saints by birth" programs in India, and they always opposed our teachings even in the late 1800s, we are breaking their monopoly on Krishna and so the object to us.
OK they are racists as well as haters of us people who are getting Krishna. They have a business from their caste and birth program and we are a threat to their livelihood. Prabhupada told us they are dangerous, so avoid them, and they are dangerous, just look at how they hate us on their posts. Are you not looking at their posts? They HATE OUR GUTS.
I already explained that. In short, they are dangerous racists because people who object to their caste or birth monopoly can become targets, and Srila Saraswati was a target. And Srila Prabhupada may have been a target, because there is a rumor they encouraged the poisoning. I would not doubt that for one second, they hate us. And the way they spread hate of us Prabhupada followers makes us targets. And that is their intent, they want to suppress us, because they have to contain Krishna only in their little business arrangement. They are sort of the Pharisees of our religion.
OK! They hate our guts, and would be happy to have us eliminated. I think you did not get the message, they hate our guts. Hate means, we can be treated with violence, and it is shocking you do not know that by now. In addition, Jagadananda and no doubt the others there knew about the 1980 - 2025 molesting, and they are attacking us and not the regime. Sorry, there is no good excuse for covering this up, you can ask them all day long, but we know the answer already.
They are helping the regime by attacking us. And if you are on their side by promoting them, that would make you an accomplice. But you never complain about bad Bible statements, and they never complain about the regime level molesting, because you both have a vested interest in not doing so. You only attack soft targets. And that enables the ongoing child abuse.
My friends and me discussed this at length. And they summed it up pretty good. Henry supported the New Vrndavana people who were your worst haters and they were trying to kill you. Now he is supporting another group of your haters. And if they could kill you, they would. And they evidently wanted to kill our guru and his guru in their previous iteration. Prabhupada told us, these caste and birth saints tried to kill his guru so we must beware of them. Then Henry promotes them?
Our friends said, either he never learned anything, or he knows they are racist haters and he is running with them, or he was at one time repenting but now he is going back to supporting your haters, he is going backwards.
I think our friends have it really figured out. They say, these envious people have always been out to eliminate you by supporting your haters, and they still are. Nothing has changed with these people. That is their observation, and I could not disagree. You seem to keep forgetting what I repeated over and over and over THEY HATE ME, and they SUPPORT MOLESTERS and DEVIANT samadhis with their silence. They are evil people, and therefore, supporting them implicates anyone who does so. I hope this helps. ys pd
Dear Henry prabhu, It looks like we have gone full circle here. Previously you supported GBC people who hated my guts and wanted to kill me. Then you started to promote the Satya Vani people, who ALSO hate Srila Prabhupada, and equally hate me, and said we are dirty contaminated mlecchas, to make us targets. Lets be real here, these Satya Vanis hate my guts just as bad as the GBC people, or worse, and if they had the potential to take me out, they would. They hate my guts.
It seems you tend to find people who hate my guts? The LA police said to me -- these GBC people HATE YOUR GUTS and they will KILL you. The Satya Vanis equally also hate my guts, you evidently do not see that, or what results from that, but you didn't previously either. They are a racist hate mongering group that protects pedophiles, and they are against me for self evident reasons.
It is not evident to you, and that is the whole problem. You are my friend, ok, but you also tend to run in circles of people who hate my guts and would kill us. Srila Saraswati said these caste lineage people WILL KILL ME, and they will also KILL us little peanuts equally. You are attracted to them, second time around.
This is full circle, we ended where we began. You don't know about them? What they say is self evident -- THEY HATE OUR GUTS, and they have since the past maybe 130 years. You are not attracted to them because they are interesting, you are attracted to them because THEY HATE OUR GUTS. And Srila Saraswati said they would kill us, that means also me. You can see how they write about us, it is not a secret what they are all about. You are not aware of this because, you sympathize more with them than me. That is simply the way this looks. In any case, for you to promote my haters is not the way to make friends with me, and no one should be surprised if I react negatively. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
November 23, 1967: On this date in history 58 years ago, Bhaktivedanta Swami writes to Umapati, “We shall silently pray for them [Kirtanananda and Hayagriva] to Krishna and shed tears for them for our inability to save them.” To learn more about this topic, see "Gold, Guns and God,” Vol. 1, p. 261.
But I should not pick on Henry too much. He is a victim of the overall system. I have all sorts of other haters like BV Damodar who was blasting me for pointing out that Narayan Maharaja was Tamal's bucket boy.
Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Mathura Pati are infuritated I am not helping them promote Saint Radhanath's cheer leaders etc. Lots of haters out there! HKC Jaipur's Prahlad actually said he was going to get the GBC goons to come and take me out, because these pedophile messiah's people also endorse murder of dissenters. They simply cannot tolerate having children liberated from Auschwitz for kids, and someone just now told me -- no wonder they love Hitler.
In any case, I decided to go with Krishna, and let the haters figure out whatever they want to, and that is all there is to it. I feel very confident that Krishna is God, and I am doing the right thing trying to be His servant, although I have to admit to being a highly imperfect one presently.
But I have faith He will pull me up to Him sooner or later. And I think the people who hate to see His words being spread around, actually hate Him, and will thus suffer a short, sharp shock in a lower planet. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that is mine.
ys pd
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