Mukunda UK / Hindus / Feet Washing

 

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/06/swarupa-hebel-and-mukunda-dasa-mark.html

PADA: Thanks for your question RM, what is my opinion of Mukunda UK (Mark Whitely) and his Hitler-anuga's program? And why is Mukunda UK placing his own beard on a photo of Tamal? After Srila Prabhupada said anyine who wears a beard is not my follower? 

Folks from all different Mathas have wrote to complain how he is giving Krishna a bad name, i.e. linking Krishna with Hitler, Zionist bankers problems and etc. Mukunda's first problem is that he is really not effective in fighting anything. 

When asked by some "Zionist bankers" expose devotees in 1985, Sulochana said we cannot dive into their Zionist bankers issue because "it will make us look foolish, bodily identified and racist." Of course Mukunda is a prime example of Sulochana's dire prediction. Srila Prabhupada himself says we cannot discuss Hitler, but Mukunda is evidently a higher authority than the acharya. 

Mukunda also does not ever advertise any of the Prabhupadanuga's kirtans, temples, or devotional activities that I know of. Almost no one tells me his writing about Hitler is a good plan, and almost everyone says it is not a good plan. And where are the actual devotional programs? 

Mukunda UK says we have to glorify Saint Sulochana, who was assassinated in 1986 by New Vrndavana goons. At the same time, Mukunda UK says we have to glorify and promote his New Vrndavana leader loving pals like Bhakta das, to help glorify Saint Radhanath. 

And Radhanath is one of the people credited with helping have Sulochana terminated. Mukunda's shiksha guru Bhakta das has reprimanded PADA for "making offenses to Saint Radhanath." So Mukunda is begging the Radhanath cheer leaders program to rubber stamp his program, to give him credibility. It is not working. Why does Mukunda UK need the rubber stamp of approval from the cheer leaders of the homosexual and pedophile messiah's club, at all?

OK Sulochana is a saint, and the people Henry Doktorski and others say -- helped take out Sulochana -- are also saints. The saints are saints, the people who help terminate saints are also saints. Which is why a number of people think he is smoking a lot of pot or taking some other intoxicants. Or else, he is compromised with Saint Beelzebub.  

Basically Mukunda UK thinks Jesus is a saint, Judas is a saint, Pontius Pilate is a saint, the Roman soldiers are saints, just about everyone is a saint in his idea. He has no clear idea who is a saint and who is not. 

Ooops, but PADA is not a saint, because we funded Sulochana's printing of his book, and we gave him money for his canned foods purchases and maintenance. Yeah we are bad because we funded Saint Sulochana, and we had to buy him a pair of jeans, and we are the people who had his writings placed online before anyone else. 

Then Mukunda copies and pastes our process of helping Vaishnava dasa's placing Sulochana's book online -- and takes credit, when we are the people who paid to have it printed and sent a copy to Vaishnava.  

And Mukunda's Saint Radhanath program sent goonda people to take me out. So anyone who helps Sulochana and opposes Saint Radhanath is not a saint. But apparently, the program which took out Sulochana -- are saints. So this is called hypocrisy, at best. 

And that is also why, no one knows what he is exactly in favor of, except he for sure favors Hitler, and the Saint Radhanath cheer leader people. And then again his ex-wife told my friends she had to take shelter of the UK police to save her from Mukunda's constant beating and abusing her. 

And then Mukunda was in Vrndavana -- evidently having loud sex with some woman he met there -- next to a room where children were staying. So it seems like he is also part of the GBC's misogynist club. Sulochana said -- sometimes covert homosexuals will dislike women. They are angry their attraction to women has been failing -- they are actually more attracted to men -- and then they take it out on the women. In other words, they become woman beaters and exploiters. OK like Mukunda.

But the overall problem is, he has no actual idea what is good, what is bad, who is a saint, who is not, and how should we treat women, and etc. If anything, Mukunda's women treatment ideas seem to be what was going on under Kirtanananda's women victim's community. 

And then Mukunda has disciples like Prahlad (Paul Coats) who says glorifying Hitler is a good program because "it gets lots of hits." Of course Prahlad is another person who cries badly when someone exposes his anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's program, and he sent me not so subtle hints that he wanted to have me terminated for exposing his actual agenda. 

And he admits he is working with the GBC's goondas to help them take me out So they all think alike, act alike, and do not like the people who expose the mass child abuse process. And Prahlad also glorifies Bhakta das so he can promote Saint Radhanath and the mass child abuse process. And Bhakta Peter says he sees nothing wrong with promoting this agenda.

And worse, they work with people who say the leaders of the evil child abuse program are saints. But the Berkeley police told me -- all the people who are against you, are aiding, abetting and helping the bogus gurus and their pedophile and child mistreatment program. They are all birds of the same feather, enablers of these problems. The police are correct. 

Mukunda is talking about getting a GBC rubber stamp, but he himself needs the rubber stamp of the GBC's Saint Radhanath program -- that terminated Saint Sulochana -- to gain credibility for himself. Why does he need the GBC's Saint Radhanath program for their stamp of authority for himself, and so do his friends like Mathura Pati, who also cites the cheer leaders of the pedophile guru program as their authority. 

Which means, they have no credibility. 

So yeah, these people are for Prabhupada, and they are also for deviation, and they are for the people who terminate saints. And so are the GBC folks.

As soon as I said Srila Prabhupada was saying he was poisoned, Mukunda wrote "do not listen to that crazy mad man offender PADA," and Tamal's followers began to quote Mukunda UK as their authority. Why is Mukunda always helping Judas?

And then later the GBC folks began to send me Mathura Pati's criticizing us. When are these people going to quit working for the wrong team, or even the Judas team? OK guess what, homosexual and pedophile guru programs are bogus, and we should not be citing the cheer leaders of these programs as our rubber stamp of authority. Never mind -- we suspect the program that they cite as their authority also -- poisoned their guru. 

When we were doing harinam in Germany some old women came up yelling at us and she kept saying "Der Fuhrer." I asked a devotee to translate, "If the fuhrer was here, you would all be arrested and not be doing this." Oh that sounds like a great plan for the samkirtana movement. That woman is right, we would not be doing this harinama chanting -- if people like Mukunda had his way.

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WE ARE NOT HINDUS!

My Dear Mukunda,

Please accept my blessings. I thank you very much for your letter of June 3, 1969, and I have noted the contents carefully. Regarding Mataji Syamadevi's temple in Leicester, your version is all right, and I am not very interested to establish a Hindu temple.

Perhaps you know from the very beginning I never described my movement as Hindu religion. Religion means the bona fide process by which we understand God and the first class religion is that which teaches people to develop love for God. To know or accept the authority of God is one thing, but to love God is another.

Generally, people are interested in material comforts and they make God as the supplying agent. This kind of devotion is not purified. It is contaminated by material desires, but when one is elevated to the position of giving everything to God out of love and affection, that is the first class position. We are teaching this philosophy in the name of Krishna Consciousness, and it is applicable to all sober persons. The Bhagavat principle is that because we can be happy simply by developing our dormant love of God, this is our first business.

PADA: And that is why the GBC leaders are making ISKCON into a Hindu program, even advertising the temples as "Hindu Centers." And they are making Hindu directors on the legal managerial boards, essentially giving control of ISKCON over to the Hindus. The reason for that is clear, the Western people are not interested in worshiping their conditioned souls gurus. But in India there is a conditioned soul guru on every street corner, so they fit in well over there. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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WASHING ISKCON GURU'S FEET CEREMONIES

MALATI DEVI DAS: Srila Prabhupada told us what to do if our feet were touched. We should offer the touch back to the previous acharya’s who can actually benefit the poor foot toucher. 

DD: My point is that leadership is an austerity - a service. It certainly means being willing to hear and address grievances. If one only accepts the perks and shuns the less pleasing aspects then it is not really devotional service. It’s self gratification.

CH: Well said

SF: Damodara Dasa And with this photo , especially if we add next step-drinking that water, quite perverse one.

PD: Malati Devi Dasi -- Not what he said, he said we are forbidden to take karma or we will have to suffer. He never said we are authorized to pass the karma on, that is also not happening, as we see for ourselves, they are suffering from getting sick, falling down and -- leaving untimely. We are not qualified to absorb sins, it requires special empowerment, which we do not possess. Meanwhile, they cannot take care of basic needs of children, which is more bad karma. ys pd

CF: This whole idea that the guru takes on karma seems like...bad design by the designer. I've always wondered what / where is the sastric evidence for such a thing? I've heard other devotees say it's complete BS

PD: Well yah, in 1979 I told Jayapatka and Jayatirtha we neophytes cannot absorb sins, or we will have to suffer. They laughed at me. Then, they suffered. And so have -- not only most of the original 11 -- but many others they subsequently appointed later on also suffered. And Srila Prabhupada says a Madhyama cannot be a diksha guru because he might once again become a d*mon. He cannot absorb the sins of others. And furthermore, anyone who is not an uttama does not have the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, Srila Prabhupada is very clear on this. No, a kanistha or madhyama is not like fire, he cannot burn off the sins of -- his own -- never mind burn off the sins of others. That is why Nectar of Instruction says, one must only accept an uttama as his guru. There is no sin burning fire in any other category. Q: Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada says the guru takes the disciple's sins, papa.

Almost all the neophyte GBC people who took sins under Narayan Maharaja's idea and policy suffered by falling down, getting sick, and dying. Never mind their followers are not being liberated.

Srila Prabhupada told us many, many times, if we allow people to touch our feet we will be acting like diksha gurus, taking sins. That will make us get sick, fall down or both. Of course many of them died. He said, only a pure devotee has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, and if you neophytes take sins "you will have to suffer" and they are suffering. So yes, this question was answered many times, none of you neophytes should attempt to take other's sins, but they neglected that instruction.

That is ALSO why Srila Prabhupada told the story of the snake and the ants. The false guru told the disciples he could take their sins, but he could not. So the disciples went to Yamaraja and they were very angry, and they wanted to take revenge. So Yamaraja made them ants, and made their guru a snake, and the snake went over the ant hill, and he was e*ten alive by the ants. In other words, it does not matter if this karma is not resolved now, it will be eventually.

And! When we were in India, Srila Prabhupada stopped the whole kirtan when he saw two of his lady disciples having their feet touched by the old ladies at the pandal program. He told them, "I told you -- do not let people touch your feet, you will be taking their karma and you will have to suffer." None of you neophytes should attempt to take others sins, but they neglected that instruction. No idea why the ladies "gurus" would be able to be diksha gurus and take karma -- when the men who do so are suffering many reactions. Yah it is BS, except when they have to suffer, and they are. ys pd

CH: Most gurus in Iskcon are Unqualified. These Leaders from the GBC class on down to lesser managers and hired help are interested in Money. They thoroughly enjoy their Extravagant Worship, Fancy Facility, Big Bank Balance etc. 

They are not interested in protecting or helping anyone but themselves. Where were they with all the underage children that were abused, violently! Plus Sexually Verbally & Emotionally mistreated, all just dismissed with no real accountability. 

But all ok to Quote Sastra to Support their Buddies that are maybe Horrific Pedophiles. Iskcon Is Corrupt to the core. Srila Prabhupada would be extremely angry and I'd go as far as saying Disowning or rejecting these Rogues that are supposed to be devotees. 

Thanks for sharing. I'm disgusted with our leaders. Except those that will have the Guts to extradite all predators and pedophiles from coming to any Temple, Farm Bhakti Centre's Worldwide.

NH: They are all unqualified, because they are all Iskcon first - the Truth / Krsna second. They represent the institution and its interest, name, fame, and glory. If that aligns with Krsna great, but when it doesn't they will uphold the institution. Therefore they are not embodying purely the Truth.

It’s adjacent, sometimes.

All the best to them and as much respect as is deserved. But Guru they are not.

DD: Surely a Vaisnava would only be interested in “servant leadership”. Status, privilege, adulation….. and not being willing to do the hard work -- of leadership? The movement needs a serious detox of this kind of visayi behaviour from its “leaders”

SK Devi Dasi: indeed.

I Dasi: I just will never get my head around being worshipped by another human being. 

HDA: Mundane man worship…

PD: Prabhupada told us to never allow our feet to be touched -- or we would be taking karma, and that would cause us to get sick, fall down, or both. Of course, a number of them just went total bonkers -- and another group left their bodies early etc. Prabhupada told the story of the guru who could not absorb sins. 

He did not have brahmana tejyas to burn them off. And so his disciples were made into ants, the guru was made into a snake, and the snake went over the anthill -- and was consumed alive by the ants. I don't think these "gurus" understood much of anything, much less that children need to be protected from predators. Yeah, some of these ex-kulis told me they had to drink the foot bath water from their guru, and it made them violently sick. ys pd

NH: What a good point.

S Das: The day they decided to cunningly deceive the devotee community by advertising themselves as pure devotee is the day everything turned to dust!

ZZ: Great intellectual point raised here. Devotees also need to meditate on this, because they also need to contemplate their attachment to the name and fame of their guru.

IMO, real sadhus sit far from maddening crowds. A teacher does not require a fan club. A teacher requires a hardcore internal cleanser. 

SK Devi Dasi: Yes absolutely thank you for saying it!

MK: This post sums it all up. The super obvious elephant in the room within ISKCON is the fact that the gurus live lavish lifestyles and are concerned with nit picky beauracracy, while silencing victims of abuse and protecting the perpetrators. 

Oh yeah, and they get worshiped for it all. If anyone says anything against it, they are accused of being envious of the Lord's representative. I'm honestly borderline atheist now after 10 years with ISKCON. I can't stand the arrogance and grandiose worship of the gurus and the silencing of child victims. It's all so yuk.

HDA: They made each other gurus. Many are now just sticking with Srila Prabhupada. What more do we need?

KD: Traditionally spiritual leadership (eg guru) is top down. It is literally like being a living archetype. It is not a position from which one typically receives dialogue or feedback (hence the ritual of footbathing). Societal leadership is more the position that participates in the grind of give and take. 

If you have personalities who participate in both spheres of leadership, you tend to get the best of both worlds (eg Lord Rama) or the worst of both worlds. Having leadership open to feedback might be more tenable if there was a distinction between spiritual and societal leadership. 

At the moment the pathway to ascend either of those models of leadership is more or less one ... hence the society has expectations of spiritual leaders to be expert managers, and expert managers are extended liberties that should really be exclusive to spiritual leaders. So then we end up with persons wearing both hats that they switch according to convenience .... insisting they have no obligation to receive feedback, but nonetheless bearing the open hand and the stick that more mercurial office bearers live by. 

FA: Wearing both hats, guru and manager. Has anyone not noticed the society is "managing" to go off a cliff? Yes the touchy feely hugger foot bather must stop. No one has the right to touch you unless they are married to you period.

DP: Truly I say unto you "you are having your reward now" punishment and payment due later.... reap and sow. Their day is a comin' as my dad used to say.. karma never forgets. False guru = very bad karma. 

GP: They need to here this sort of talk to wake them up, that's what being kind is about helping people to understand there situation, so many of the gurus have fallen away by taking on to much name fame adoration and wealth, while at the same time cut themselves off from helpful feedback.

SF: I wonder how many people would convert to Vaisnavism at all -- actually who would have even bought any books or been willing to listen to sankirtana (book distributors ) devotee at all, if we all knew about their foot washing. What to speak of drinking caranamrita - foot water. EWW.

SC: Thank you for being so honest and brave DD!! If they care and are worthy of such worship where are they and why don’t they engage in this discourse??????

SY: But ...to be worshipped as God is totally INTOXICATING! Drug addicts dont care about side effects!

DS: "if" I ever become a "guru" in old age, if forced by Prabhupada and Krishna's arrangements, then I will absolutely NOT accept ANY of the ways that we honored Srila Prabhupada -- no garlands, no Vyasa Puja, no kirtan arrivals or departures, no titles, no big seat, etc etc.

DD: “We are called to serve, washing one another's feet, putting ourselves last” perhaps they should start washing the feet of their disciples and students, remembering that they are servants of the servants of the servants ... humble instruments of God's mercy .....inspired by the words of Jesus, but spiritually valid and educating.

SF: When I see this feet washing, and think of regions where custom of not just washing but culminating in oral consumption of caranamrita - as in "upcycled" /"brown " water sourced from feet washing -- where this ritual was not hidden, but flaunted very presently and well known -- there us another elephant on the room. 

As in -do devotees think everyone who joined and stayed after this is normal? Those staying NOT despite customs like these when Gurus are present; but because of these customs, do devotees really think all such people are entirely normal?

JN: Religions will always be like that. Unfortunately. Better not follow organized religion and follow yoga vasistha.

AP: Almost all of iskcon leaders are below even the kanishta level.

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PADA: My guru is a member of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara, But that is fine because he is a "living" member of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru process. And some of the gurus in our line of gurus are also taking intoxicants, watching porno, and having affairs with half dozen disciples. And some of them are homosexuals and some are pedophiles. Where do I sign up? And the good news is, my guru was 2/3 show of hands voted in by the above mentioned.   

These ladies keep saying we have to study if our guru is bona fide. You mean the five years old ISKCON children -- most of whom got a bad guru -- and many were starved, beaten, molested and exploited in various ways  -- did not study the shastra properly? They are responsible for having a bad guru? What kind of foolishness is that? 

No, the ISKCON adults and leaders were and still are supposed to provide the children with a proper guru, and they failed to do that. These ladies are still not doing that, they are still saying everyone (like children) have to be responsible for finding the right guru. 

This is rascaldom. They are STILL avoiding taking responsibility for the welfare of the vulnerable, especially the children citizens. You adults and seniors should decide who is the right guru for children, and not blame them that you are making wrong choices. 

And we should not be telling the public that a guru parampara of illicit sex, intoxicants, porno swamis etc. is -- a guru parampara they have to accept to worship -- to get to God, or they have to worship the fools voted into that parampara. There is illicit sex with men, women and children in the parampara? What kind of eternal and pure parampara is that? 

The good news is, more people are rejecting this false parampara. 

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RUSSIA IS RUNNING OUT OF MEN

Promoting a return to "traditional values" in Russia does not align with the actual choices of its society. Russia is experiencing the lowest number of marriages in eighteen years. In September this year, this number was 16 percent lower than during the same period of the previous year.

PADA: Well yeah, because Russia lost a million -- or more -- men who fled the country, and they are losing 1,000 a day full time all the time in their endless wars, never mind all the wounded and disabled men they are creating. The soldier's graveyards are filling up with bodies fast -- according to satellite photos. And there are photos of trenches full of bodies that are no longer living.

There are also factories in Russia where all the workers are mostly women, they have no men available. A lady made a video from there saying "they are making two nations full of fatherless families and crying widows. And they call that winning." 

Yep, we need to get rid of all the men to make a proper family values program! It is amazing that the proposed goal of making more family and family values, is going to complete opposite direction. Another sign of Kali Yuga. 

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"By sex life one becomes conditioned." 

They cannot understand. Hare Kṛṣṇa... (japa) This should be strictly outlawed, no more sannyāsīs. And those sannyāsīs who have fallen, you get them married, live like a ... No more this showbottle, cheating. It is very ludicrous. Even there is a promise that "We shall not fall down again," that is also not believable. What is the use?

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Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. What he will do, more payment? (?) Then he will kill. This sex life in this material world is so strong, even in the heavenly planets. Big, big ṛṣis. Sex life with animals also there is... Sex life is so strong. Man cohabiting with animal. It makes blind. Vyāsadeva made one of her (his) students pregnant, what to speak of ourselves. Vyāsadeva was born, Satyavatī. 

She was low class. Although she was born by a king, but her mother was a low-class fisherwoman. And the fisherman raised her as daughter. And Parāśara Muni became attracted. And Vyāsadeva was born. Sex affairs, just see, in the highest circle. Bṛhaspati, the spiritual master of the devatās, he became so much mad for his brother's wife who was pregnant, and forcibly they had sex. Just see. These are examples. 

Brahmā became attracted with his daughter. Lord Śiva became attracted with the beauty of Mohinī-mūrti, even in the presence of his wife. So this sex life can be controlled only by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious. Otherwise there is no... The Bhāgavata has discussed all this because in this material world there is no escape unless we become Kṛṣṇa conscious, from the sex impulse. It is not possible. Yad-avadhi mama cetaḥ kṛṣṇa... 

When one is fully Kṛṣṇa conscious, then he'll reject all this nonsense: "What is this?" Bhavati mukha-vikāraḥ suṣṭhu. He'll spite (spit): "Eh! Get out. Is that enjoyment?" It is possible for a Kṛṣṇa conscious... No other can do it. And that is the bondage. He'll have to work hard for maintaining sex issues. And so long you are bound up by the karmas, you have to accept another body and then continue. 

Who knows how we are bound up and conditioned? If you talk in the modern society they will laugh: "What nonsense this man is... 'By sex life one becomes conditioned.' " They cannot understand. Hare Kṛṣṇa... (japa) This should be strictly outlawed, no more sannyāsīs. And those sannyāsīs who have fallen, you get them married, live like a... No more this showbottle, cheating. 

It is very ludicrous. Even there is a promise that "We shall not fall down again," that is also not believable. What is the use? Better go and speak philosophy in your gṛhastha dress, not this dress, but you have nice coat, pants, gentleman. Who says no? I never said. Rather I shall be glad to see that up-to-date gentlemen with tilaka and śikhā are speaking. 

That is very prestigious everywhere. Why this false dress? What is the wrong to become gṛhastha? I was gṛhastha, pākā caliber gṛhastha. My Guru Mahārāja was brahmacārī, This is ever... Just see his character. Caitanya Mahāprabhu was gṛhastha, but when He took sannyāsa: "Oh, I am now..." For sober person. That is wanted. That is ideal. He married twice. 

Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura married twice. Caitanya Mahāprabhu married twice. What is the wrong there? One has to become pure devotee, that's all. Other things, of course, are circumstantially favorable, either a gṛhastha, brahmacārī or vānaprastha or sannyāsa. Kibā vipra kibā śūdra nyāsī kene naya, yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā sei 'guru' haya [Cc. Madhya 8.128]. You must know the science of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That makes you guru, not this dress.
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January 7, 1977, Bombay

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PADA: Someone was telling me that some of these spin off groups are ex-ISKCON people. I don't know. But one thing is for sure, there are a lot of spin off groups sprouting like weeds all over the place. It is a little odd that some of these folks, even a lot of ISKCON folks, are engaged in "bridge preaching" where they blend together Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and Vaishnavas. Kirtanananda was a pioneer of all this with his "interfaith preaching." 

OK where do I sign up? Problem is, at the same time, most of these groups complain "the ritviks are like the Christians" because they worship a departed acharya. Ummm, what? We should join the Christians and condemn them simultaneously? OH yeah, probably because, the Christians do not worship illicit sex with men, women and children as their gurus.  

Meanwhile a few people wrote to complain to me that Mathura Pati / Mathias Sabji has been plastering his Zionist bankers / N*zi materials on their forums -- so they had to block him, because he is trying to bridge Vaishnavas with H*tler. Same thing, we need to add this and that the make Vaishavism popular. Unfortunately, someone sent me a flyer where some of the Aryan brotherhood folks in the midwest were advertising Mukunda's site, which is not helping us whatever. 

Meanwhile someone told me Mathura Pati / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur types were complaining about Henry Doktorski. OK I also do not fully embrace everything he says, for example he has had the idea that Srila Prabhupada had been saying Kirtanananda is a pure devotee, and he is a diksha guru (who can absorb sins etc.), and he should be worshiped as such all over ISKCON. I never had that impression -- ever. 

I was told he was a renegade in 1971, and therefore I always doubted his status. And when Sulochana told me he was going to New Vrndavana in 1979, I said under no circumstances should you ever even visit that place, it is a personality cult. So there were some of us who never trusted Kirtanananda, ever. And we never had the idea KS is a pure devotee, from Srila Prabhupada or anyone else, ever. OK one of the reasons Sulochana was assassinated is, he was saying there was no guru appointment.

So I blame the so-called Prabhupada devotees who were telling people to worship Kirtanananda as a pure devotee, because they were not citing anything from Srila Prabhupada that I can confirm. What I can confirm is -- that Srila Prabhupada had a lot of negative things to say about KS. Unfortunately, Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Mathura Pati are still working with the cheer leader program of people who glorified Kirtanananda. Henry Doktorski is NOT promoting the cheer leaders of the Kirtanananda lover's club. 

So these guys have been telling people to work with Bhakta das, who has promoted the worshipers of Kirtanananda like Bhakta's "Saint Radhanath." Radhanath even had Kirtanananda placed in samadhi. So these guys like Mathura Pati just cannot stop promoting the hand maidens and worship promoters of their homosexual and pedophile guru process, and worse -- pedophiles in samadhi process. But even some karmi media people asked me "what is pedophile samadhi"? Yeah, even they know this is bogus. At least Mathura Pati says the reason he is working with the cheer leaders of the pedophile messiah's club is, they oppose PADA. 

OK that means he cannot find anyone -- apart from his pedophile messiah club pals -- to oppose me. Of course, they were already working with Prahlad, who says anyone who opposes their pedophile pooja is "a sahajiya," which is exactly what Kirtanananda says. And Sulochana says they are calling us sahajiyas to make us targets -- for assassination. So they are still working hand in glove with Sulochana's murderers. 

Henry is at least NOW is saying that Radhanath is a bogus guru, and he had a hand in many criminal out croppings including -- the assassination of Sulochana (and me being targeted by New Vrndavana goons). So Henry at least has realized that these Radhanath folks are bogus, and should NOT be promoted. We are still waiting for Mathura Pati and his pals to wake up and stop promoting the Kirtanananda lover's club folks, but since they are more worried about H*tler and WW II, they are not even aware of these real issues. 

And Henry thinks PADA did a needed job bringing out the child mistreatment issue, these guys don't think that was a good idea, but neither does Kirtanananda. So it is a mixed situation, but the people who are still licking the jack boots of Kirtanananda / Radhanath program's cheer leaders, have made zero progress on any issue. 

Anyway, these are all the symptoms that ISKCON has failed, and is spawning its own competition and many bogus off shoots. The only good news is, a number of people are realizing that, and they are going back to exclusive focus on Srila Prabhupada. 

ys pd

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BANGLADESH CRACKS DOWN ON ISKCON

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/iskcon-why-is-bangladesh-cracking-down-on-a-global-hindu-sect/articleshow/115700862.cms?

PADA: Well this was sort of inevitable me thinks? What will the India government do? Probably, nothing. Bangladesh has been moving more towards Hindu intolerance for decades now, and it seems -- it will get worse before it gets better. 

ISKCON has relied on Jayapataka's Bengali congregation to send his disciples to be cooks and poojaris in various Western temples, but that was never the plan authorized by Srila Prabhupada. 

One lesson here is -- devotees should not be engaged in political causes, demonstration marches, and other such agitations, that is not our domain. Of course, ISKCON defending Hindu-ism is also not something we should be doing either, the Hindu program is also not authorized. Yeah, now we are "a global Hindu sect." 

One devotee told me the GBC plan all along has been to gradually get Hindu managers signing on as directors for ISKCON's legal documents, so they can hand off ISKCON to the Hindus, and not the Prabhupada devotees or their children. They wanted to make it an official Hindu church, and they are.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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WOMEN AND ISKCON

PADA: All religions have a class of separated male clerics, yogis, celibates, monks, sadhus etc. And all of them are meant to seclude themselves from females. And that is because our love for Krishna is transformed into material lust here in this world, and it is a very powerful force.

Generally, a man cannot get free of that power -- unless he is very Krishna conscious. Until that time arrives, he is advised to reduce his connection to females. But all of the living entities in this world are subject to failing into lusty desires, male or female, so it is a sort of putting on brakes to avoid women in the material world -- who are an allurement for the men of the material world, so they are advised to keep separated.

That being said, except for Krishna, all other living entities are ultimately considered as prakriti or female, whatever body they have now. And the highest devotees of Krishna are considered to be His female consorts called gopis. And the second highest entity -- besides Krishna -- is His female expansion called Radharani, His primary expansion.

So the female form of Radha and Her consorts is also the highest principle -- apart from Krishna -- in another realm, called the spiritual realm. However when the female expansion potency becomes Durga shakti, the potency of keeping the conditioned souls in illusion, she becomes the prison keeper of the fallen souls.
And she keeps them in her prison house by binding them to material lust. But that is not really so much the fault of the females actually, it is a defect of the conditioned and lusty males who are attracted to material lust, they are the actual main source of the problem. You also need to hide the Vodka from an alcoholic, same principle.

Anyway, women in the material world should be avoided by a male neophyte aspiring devotees, because they are not cured yet. So yes, women in the material world are an impediment for a neophyte male, at the same time, all of us jeevas are prakriti, female, or "enjoyed" by Krishna, so that is also another thing to keep in mind. What is actually female from spiritual perspective?

I think we need to keep everything in context. Yes, women in the material world are a great illusion for a man in the material world, because his love for Krishna has been transformed into material lust. But in the spiritual world, the women are the highest principle and highest devotees.

And that is why this world is called an upside down reflection of the spiritual, where women are the higher principle there, they are the lower or impediment here, because that is what happens when we want to imitate Radha and Krishna, we become captivated here artificially. Anyway it is a great big topic, but we need to study it all in context of all the other information.

Yes, a material world man should avoid women, because he is covered and contaminated by material lust. But that only applies here. In the spiritual world -- the women are considered as the higher bhaktas and devotees principle, and moreover, all the living beings there are considered as prakriti or female principle. 

So we should avoid material lust, because that is the shackles of the material world, but if anyone is attracted to material lust, that means he is a prisoner of Durga's shakti, and he will remain in the condition of having lusty attraction whether he is a man, a dog, a frog, a fish, an insect and so on, unless he is purified.

So this covering has to be taken care of, and separating men from women is helpful, but by no means is that a guarantee of losing these desires, it is only a regulated principle that is designed to help. Meanwhile, most of the Vaishnava acharyas are considered to be manjaris, assistants of the gopis, or actual gopis, which means -- they ultimately are females. And if they are giving us advice, it is for our own good. ys pd

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THE DIRTY GAME OF "NARAYAN MAHARAJ" EXPOSED:-

Narayana Maharaja committed a big Vaishnav Aparadha at the lotus feet of our Gurudev Srila Prabhupada in his lecture given on September 19th, 1994:-
“Those who are not rasika Vaisnavas, they don’t know tattva, they have not gone to association with any Vaisnava…they think that to preach whole world…the name of Krishna…and to give Gita sandesha…is the whole thing. So I want to say that your Prabhupada has given these things…only these things…and not beyond these things. Then he was only the servant of Mahavisnu, not of Krishna. 

"A strange thing… for them who are ignorant. But those who are wise and have done initiation from any rasika vaisnava, bhava bhakta of Caitanya Mahaprabhu,… Those who have given their heart to them and have realized anything…very little…they can realize these things.. . ."

REPLY TO THIS OFFENSIVE LECTURE:-

Our philosophy is of "Vipralamba bhava" which is the "feeling of separation from Lord" as taught by Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in His Shikshastaka, "shunyayitam jagad sarvam Govinda virahena me" & not to become artificially a rasika bhakta which results in becoming a prakrita sahajiya, which is a cheap practice of imitating gopi bhava. 

Narayan Maharaj started the GBC's Gopi Club or Gopi Bhava Club & invited many senior disciples of our Gurudev Srila Prabhupada to make them such cheap rasika bhaktas by giving them "rasika diksha" & he even changed their spiritual names. 

Of course, "Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread," so only the fools & offenders joined Narayan Maharaj in this offensive Gopi Club. Narayan Maharaj wanted to take the control of Iskcon, so he started this offensive spiritual game. But, his game got flopped. How?? 

That time ,the President of Ahmedabad Iskcon - H.G. Jashomatinandan Prabhu, wrote a scholarly letter to all GBC & Temple President of Iskcon against the dirty game played by Narayan Maharaj, which was an eye opening letter for all & ended the dirty game of Narayan Maharaj.

Narayan Maharaj said, "Srila Prabhupada was a servant of Maha Vishnu & not of Krishna." To refute this offensive statement made by Narayan Maharaj, I have quoted the following words of our Gurudev Srila Prabhupada from Bhagavad Gita As It Is - 18.65 purport:-

"These words stress that one should concentrate his mind upon Krsna-the very form with two hands carrying a flute, the bluish boy with a beautiful face and peacock feathers in His hair. There are descriptions of Krsna found in the Brahma-samhita and other literatures. 

"One should fix his mind on this original form of Godhead, Krsna. He should not even divert his attention to other forms of the Lord. The Lord has multi-forms, as Visnu, Narayana, Rama, Varaha, etc., but a devotee should concentrate his mind on the form that was present before Arjuna. Concentration of the mind on the form of Krsna constitutes the most confidential part of knowledge, and this is disclosed to Arjuna because Arjuna is the most dear friend of Krsna's."

From the abovementioned purport by our Gurudev Srila Prabhupada, it's clear that Srila Prabhupada is the pure devotee of the Supreme Almighty God Shri Krishna & not of Maha Vishnu. We can also find similar type of statements made by Him in His purport in Srimad Bhagavatam & Shri Chaitanya Charitamrita.

Narayan Maharaj called himself shiksha disciple of our Gurudev Srila Prabhupada but actually he was very envious of Srila Prabhupada. That's why he used the words "your Prabhupada" in his lecture instead of saying "our Gurudev Srila Prabhupada." He was telling everyone that he too had a title "Bhaktivedanta," thus, he tried to compare himself with Srila Prabhupada. The bad karma & aparadha committed by Narayan Maharaj proved that he was "Bhakti Vinash" & not "Bhakti Vedanta."

IRM exposed the dirty game & cheap philosophy of Narayan Maharaj. So, IRM has become the enemy of the cheap & foolish disciples / followers of Narayan Maharaj.
Now, it is the moral duty of all sincere Prabhupadanuga Vaishnavas to publicly challenge, reject and uproot the most dangerously toxic anti-theistic group of Narayan Maharaj & his disciples / followers.

Jai Gurudev Srila Prabhupada

Hare Krishna

SRILA NARAHARI SARAKARA THAKURA 11 26 24

SRILA NARAHARI SARAKARA THAKURA 

Sri Narahari Sarkar Thakura was born at Sri Khanda. Sri Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami describes that the residents of Sri Khanda formed a branch of the desire tree of love of God. "Sri Khan davasi (the residents of Sri Khanda) Mukunda and his son Raghu nandan were the thirty ninth branch of the tree, Narahari was the fortieth, Chiran Jiva the forty first and Sulocana the forty second. 

"They were all big branches of the all merciful tree of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. They distributed the fruits and flowers of love of Godhead anywhere and everywhere. 

[Chaitanya Charitamrita Adi-lila 10:78-79] 

Srila Jagannatha das Babaji Maharaj once stated - "Navadwip is the abode of Goloka. Vrindavana is the abode of Gokula. And Sri Khanda is the abode of Vaikuntha."

Sri Narahari Sarkar Thakura participated in all of Sri Gaurasundora's pastimes. 

Bhakti Ratnakara states: "Sri Sarkar Thakura's glories are most uncommon. In Braja he is known as Madhumati, whose good qualities are unlimited." (thus proving he was not the author of it).

One day, Nityananda Prabhu arrived at Sri Khanda and said to Narahari, "All right, we know who you are. So where's the honey, Madhu' ?" In Krsna-lila, Narahari is the sakhi Madhumati, whose service is to supply honey for Sri Sri Radha-Govinda and Their associates. So he immediately went to a nearby pond and filled a pot which immediately turned into honey of the most nectarean kind. Nityananda Prabhu and His associates drank from this pot to their full and unlimited satisfaction.

Narahari dasa Sarakara was a very famous devotee. Locana dasa Thakura, the celebrated author of Sri Caitanya-mangala, was his disciple. In the Caitanya-mangala it is stated that Sri Gadadhara dasa and Narahari Sarakara were extremely dear to Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, but there is no specific statement regarding the inhabitants of the village of Srikhanta. 

(A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Chaitanya Charitamrita Adi-lila 10:78-79.purport)

Sri Locana dasa Thakura was the dear disciple of Sri Narahari Sarkar.

In his book Caitanya mangala he introduces his guru in this way: "My Thakur (spiritual master) is Sri Narahari das Thakura, who is very influential amongst the medical caste. He is continuously absorbed in Krsna-prema, and in fact his body knows nothing but Krsna. To his followers he speaks about nothing other than love of Krsna. He was previously known in Vrindavana-lila as Madhumati and was a storehouse of sweetness (honey), and very dear to Radharani. Now he is now present in Kali-yuga with Sri Gaurasundara as Sri Narahari. He is the keeper of the storehouse of love of Radha and Krsna." 

[Sri Caitanya Mangal, Sutrakhanda]

This is supported in Gaura Ganod-desh dipika of Kavi-karnapura 177., wherein it is said:

pura madhumati prana-
shakhi vrindavane sthitaa
adhuna naraharya-akhyah
saarakarah prabhoh priyah

"Srimati Radharani's dear friend, the Vraja-gopi named Madhumati-devi, appeared as Narahari Sarakara, who was very dear to Lord Chaitanya".

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, in his Gaura-arati kirtana, sings of some of that intimate service to that he performed for Lord Chaitanya: 'kiba narahari adikari chamara dhulaya' "Narahari is fanning Gaurasundara with a yak-tail (chaumara) fan."

Sri Narahari Sarkar Thakura was a very expert singer as well as poet. He has composed many songs about the pastimes of Lord Caitanya and Lord Nityananda. He composed a Sanskrit work entitled Sri Bhajanamrta. Gaurviraha-gita pada kalpataru is also attributed to him, although some scholar devotees doubt whether it is really his own composition.

Most of Narahari Sarkar Thakura's songs have gotten mixed up with Narahari Chakravarti Thakura's compositions (Narahari Chakravarti Thakura is the author of Bhakti-ratnakara). Therefore is difficult to ascertain which are actually his. Before the appearance of Sri Gaurasundara he also composed many songs about the pastimes of Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

Narahari was the only devotee who had the adhikara (right) to do Gaura-kirtana in Gaurasundara's presence. Ordinarily, if anyone would praise Mahaprabhu in His presence, or chant His Holy Name, He would block His ears and call out "Visnu! Visnu!" Narahari, however, enjoyed the special privilege of being able to sing about Mahaprabhu in a very unique mood and with sweet descriptions of His transcendental beauty without objection from Mahaprabhu.

But alas there is little else known of him.

His disappearance is on the ekadasi tithi day, of the dark fortnight, in the month of Agrahayon (Mrigasir – Nov-Dec).

Narahari used to please the Lord by waving a chamara or a peacock fan. Shrila Thakura Bhaktivinoda’s Gaura-aroti song glorifies this, narahari adi kori camara dhulaya.

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Anyone know about this is?

https://www.scribd.com/document/43705671/Vedanta-Sutra?

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Bhakti Vikas Swami Defends Predators 

SRD: Over the years Bhaktivikash Swami (BVKS) has often prioritized the interests of child sex predators over the protection of Vaishnava children.
Kripa Kara das (KKD) is an Australian devotee who took initiation from Srila Prabhupada.

https://www.facebook.com/share/owR8TY5UvdFZGmG9/](https://www.facebook.com/share/owR8TY5UvdFZGmG9/)

In the '90s KKD was convicted for sexually assaulting two children by the Australian courts and he served time in prison for this.

He also has a CPO case file, which can be viewed here: 

https://drive.google.com/.../1OXeRZJFXpQQ9PcgZLt4.../view...

KKD's CPO decision clearly states that he has a lifetime ban from performing any service that involves children. It also states that he must share his CPO decision with the authorities of any temple he visits and that if he breaches these mandates, then he will be banned from any involvement with ISKCON until the ICPO reviews his case.

https://youtube.com/shorts/-eIFmfTbZNU?si=UAsQzBb5n6Jjatri

In January this year JKD joined some of the Gurukula children on a long (25hrs) train journey from Salem (Bhakti Vikas swami's program) to Jagannath Puri. From this video and photos we can clearly see that KKD is in breach of his CPO restrictions.

BVKS presented him as a trust worthy guest of honor and respectable senior devotee to his disciples and allowed KKD to have access to the Gurukula children at ISKCON temple in Salem, India! 

In 2017 I had a back an forth exchange with BVKS where he publicly defended and excused the (horrific and violent) child abuse perpetrated by Anirdeshya Vapu das (Bhaktividyapurna).

“SR Prabhu refers to my "agenda." Here it is: my agenda in this matter is to oppose the one-sided, destructive propaganda against the only disciple of Srila Prabhupada who has dedicated his entire life for children by developing a traditional gurukula in the style that Srila Prabhupada wanted. Anyone who actually cares for children would be delighted to recognize the extraordinary good that Bhakti Vidya Purna Swami has done, rather than trying to drag him down by citing mistakes (even severe mistakes) that he has made”.

(BVKS 2017)

Leaders teach with their example!

Why would BVKS set such a dangerous and heartless example??? I ask BVKS to please, please, please put an end to this insanity!!! For the benefit of the children that are under the care of BVKS and his disciples, I ask Maharaj to do the honorable and responsible thing and make a public statement where he communicates to the devotee community how he plans to address the current matter involving KKD.

I also ask Maharaj to definitively clarify his stance on child protection and address his historic support of known child abusers.

P.S. In one of the photos we can see Jayadvaita Swami with KKD, another swami with a history of defending confirmed child abusers.

AD: Yes, he raped a 14 yr old girl in the Adelaide temple. He was chasing her, she locked herself in a room, KKD was so desperate, he kicked the door in and then abused her. Now 35 yrs later she is suing Iskcon for $2.5 million. 

He allegedly also sexually abused his 2 daughters. After coming out of jail for those offences, he sexually abused his Infant Grandson. Probably the biggest monster from Iskcon.

PJ: And there are probably a number of other victims who are too frightened of the BVKS cult to come forward. And BVKS makes him the keynote speaker? It is frightening how degraded these BVKS people are, how they glorify child abusers and give them BIG posts of authority, and as teachers, and much worse -- BVKS is still in charge of some children. Why has the GBC never stepped up to address this?

BVKS' BOOKS or SRILA PRABHUPADA's?

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THE ORIGIN OF THE JIVA

(In 1994 HH Rasananda Swami wrote to Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja asking about his own understanding on the subject of the Origin of the Jiva.)

Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja replied to his letter,

“The resolution that you have quoted has been passed by our GBC, and as such it is meant for all of the members of our society to follow. You ask what is my own, personal conclusion on this matter, so for your own information, I reply as follows.

"Srila Prabhupada has on many occasions made different statements about this subject matter. He has also himself drawn the conclusion. When the conclusion is given, it is to be understood that whatever might have been said before, if it may appear to be different from that conclusion, for what ever reason, is now cancelled. The conclusion is what stands.

"For example, Srila Prabhupada gives the following conclusions regarding the origin of the jiva.

‘The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world, or Vaikuntha, for it is the eternal abode.’ (SB 3.16.26 purport)

‘The conclusion is that the origin of all life is the bodily effulgence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.’ (SB 4.30.5 purport)

"What is Srila Prabhupada's conclusion, that is what I accept. I accept Srila Prabhupada's own conclusion, that is all”.

PADA: Yes, Gaura Govinda Maharaja said that the ISKCON GBC started the idea of going "Back to Godhead," because we were once with Godhead. Ummm, nope, Back to Godhead was used by Srila Prabhupada in the 1940s, there was no GBC at the time. 

What is he even talking about, there was a GBC in 1940? No, but there were tinged with mayavada folks like Sridhara Maharaja -- saying we jeevas originate in brahmajyoti, and GGM says, Sridhara is correct. This is mayavada. ys pd

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VAIKUNTHANATH DEPARTS HIS BODY

PADA: I had a sort of strange relationship with Vaikunthanath after 1978. He really did not like my "hatchet job" approach to dealing with the GBC's gurus. And he said I am "way too heavy." And so, when we would meet by chance, he would only discuss what was going on in 1973, and not the present. As soon as I brought up the present, he had to go somewhere else.

At one point, much later, he got very enthusiastic for me to tell him all about "the poison issue." And so I invited him to walk around the block as I summed it up, and he started off walking with me. He asked a few questions, and I could see he was very disappointed that I had such good answers. Finally, about half way around the block, he doubled over holding his stomach -- and said he could not discuss further because "my ulcer is bursting." OK he did not want to discuss it further, because he knew I had the goods on the issue. 

Another time, a new devotee in Berkeley asked me if Srila Prabhupada can be his guru? I said sure, of course he is your guru. He said, but Vaikunthanath just told me Srila Prabhupada can NEVER be my guru, I need to go out and find my own guru somewhere else. Oh swell, everyone and anyone else can be the guru, as long as it is not Srila Prabhupada. What kind of loyalty to Srila Prabhupada is that? He is no longer the guru, go worship someone else, anyone else will do, go somewhere else to find another guru. 

Yah, Prabhupada is my guru, and no one else's! I, me and mine! Go worship someone else, and do not bother to worship a pure devotee, that is my exclusive club!

Notice also that Vaikunthanath does not even name who this "other" guru is for this person to take shelter of -- just -- go out and find someone else to be your guru, could be anyone else -- as long as Srila Prabhupada is NOT your guru, you will be fine. So he bought into the GBC idea that we have to send people away from ISKCON to find another guru in another matha, or accept one of the GBC's homosexual and pedophile guru lineage gurus, or just go to India and start sorting out which of their 100,000 assorted "God men" is bona fide, but never take Srila Prabhupada as our guru. Then we wonder why the temples are empty ghost towns? 

Yep, anyone and everyone else has to be your guru, except, the only person qualified to be your guru, he cannot be your guru. So these people are trying to block others from taking shelter of a pure devotee, and giving them I dunno what else as an alternative guru?  

No wonder Vaikunthanath did not approve of my approach, that Srila Prabhupada IS THE GURU. Anyway, the whole thing is sad, he no longer wanted to promote Srila Prabhupada as the guru for all the people -- of the world -- to take shelter of, just go out and find some other guru, any other guru. And many or most people did in fact go away and find another guru. And yah, that has made ISKCON into an empty ghost town. 

So they do not like my "Christian" idea, that the guru is not MINE, or YOURS, or anyone else's, he is the guru for EVERYONE in the Jagat. Jagat guru. 

And thus -- many people do follow this "the guru is mine but not yours" idea. They stopped promoting worshiping Srila Prabhupada and began to promote worship of all sorts of contaminated people, with disasterous results. And rather unfortunately -- I believe that people like Vaikunthanath, who vociferously turn people away from worshiping the pure devotee -- evidently to get them to worship contaminated beings instead -- will be held accountable for the odious end results. Look at what happens when people worship "any other guru than Srila Prabhupada." Sheesh! 

The guru is mine and not yours! Yeah so you can get credit for being "the senior devotee," and make yourself important. He tried to take people off the path to Krishna -- to worship someone or anyone else -- except the pure devotee, and we believe, this is very sinful. Yeah whatever you do, don't accept a pure devotee as your guru, go find someone else -- but I cannot recommend anyone else -- because I am speculating that there even is -- someone else. Worship someone else, but we have no "someone else," thus worship no one and nothing is better than worship of Srila Prabhupada!

The only good news is, this particular new guy listened to me, and he accepted Srila Prabhupada as his guru. But that is also very rare, most people follow the Vaikunthanath idea -- don't take a pure devotee as your guru. And then they just go off to worship contaminated beings and they suffer -- and are suffering -- the malefic results. 

We can worship anyone else as our guru, as long as it is not Srila Prabhupada, and then we wonder how ISKCON fell into being a hellish planet. Because -- the idea that we can eliminate worship of the pure devotee is from the hellish planets. 

And anyone who blocks others from worshiping the pure devotee will have to answer for doing that to Krishna's higher authorities eventually. And that is how all of these people collectively destroyed ISKCON -- and its inhabitants, and they created a situation where people are worshiping all sorts of contaminated beings -- with ill results, including -- banning, beating, molesting, suing and -- assassinating. 

All that being said, Vaikunthanath was at least friendly with me, which makes him better than most of the rest of the lot. And in any case, he is no longer here, so he has to move on to another situation. Eventually he will have to learn we have to promote worshiping of the pure devotee to others, not just this guru or that guru, and telling me "worship of the pure is the bogus Christian idea" is not correct.  

Even if we become a pure devotee ourselves, even then -- a pure devotee will always elevate other pure devotees above himself. For example, Mother Yasoda is considered as the Queen of Vrndavana. That means, the other devotees respect and elevate her position as higher than others. We don't just tell people "anyone we feel like can be worshiped as the Queen," that is not how the process works.

That is the spiritual principle. We should never tell anyone, do not bother to worship the pure devotee, go worship someone else, because even the mundane people worship the pure devotee Jesus as their guru principle. 

Worshiping no named person is also mayavada etc. OK anyway Vaikunthanath dasa, good luck and God speed spirit soul. We wish you well in any case. Maybe -- by now -- you realized, you should have promoted the pure devotee as EVERYONE'S guru, and not told people Srila Prabhupada is NOT their guru, but no worries -- you will realize that eventually in time, because that is the absolute truth reality eternally. 

The guru is not mine, yours, or anyone else's property, he is the representative of God FOR EVERYONE. So this is very sad, one by one -- our God brothers and sisters are departing, mostly without ever saying, hey maybe we shoulda / coulda / woulda made Srila Prabhupada the guru, and not just "someone else," maybe that would have produced a better outcome than the disaster we created by denying his place as the guru. Anyway, I still wish all of them good luck and God speed.   

Yeah, when Gurudas was glorifying Radhanath on the stage, one of my friends pulled the plug out of his microphone. Hee hee! 

ys pd

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TOM T: Just a note to update on my friend Jvara - Jim Steelman. Tiger Jim. Shot many, many years ago on book distribution in new orleans, hes been at my place for years. I came home today and he said- I'm dying-take me to the VA hospital. He got ready and off we went. I told him i had hoped he would pass away at home so we could have a kirtan party. I reassured him that he would be coming back, but he is 83.

Hare Krishna, loyal servant.

Last post! Jvara is home, just a nasal infection, but he asks that I stop with all the updates to you folks. I told him you all care, but you know, sometimes people just want to be alone. He doesn't answer the phone hardly ever, and he doesn't go on line, no FB or email, so snail mail a letter to

Jim Steelman 2011`4 nw 78th ave alachua fl 32615.

I dont think he wants any visitors. Hey- I tried!

PADA: Yeah, when I am 83 I might want to be left alone as well. At least he made it to 83, many do not. We are all getting on these days -- lets hope for the best for him.  

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MONKEY ON A STICK MOVIE

Just heard from Jason Monkey will air on AMC on 12/12/24.

BBT BOOK CHANGES

My Dear Vaishnava Gentlewomen and Gentlemen,

Please accept my heartfelt pranamas unto you all. Śrīla Pabhupāda kī jaya!
Here is the latest "Global BBT News" still stewing in their self-justifications of their editorial tamperings. We've gone over and over and over on this, in this group, and we've addressed these points and so many than what is mentioned here.

The fact is that the BBTII thinks that they can improve upon Prabhupāda's books, that they can know his transcendental desires, and they can treat Prabhupāda as if he really didn't know what he was doing. It's shameful.

Prabhupāda himself recognizes in a CC purport that the Lord can be referred to as "The Blessed Lord" or "The Supreme Personality of Godhead," both forms of divine address intertwined through his Bhagavad Gītā. Śrīla Prabhupāda himself happily lived with "The Blessed Lord for nine years, in both the 1968 and 1972 editions. He never complained about it. Never instructed anyone to change it. But the BBT knows the mind of our spiritual master? I don't think so. The BBT thinks it knows better than the spiritual master? So it seems so! The BBT thinks it can second guess the spiritual master and his desires for his books from drafts? Yes, they think they purify Prabhupāda's vāni of Hayagriva, who worked under Śrīla Prabhupāda, who apparently didn't know how bad an editor Hayagriva was? So it seems.

It's very simple, my friends. For any author, it is violating of the author's moral rights to change what an author left. To change what an author has written and published after they are deceased is not even conventionally, what to speak of someone of the status of our Śrīla Prabhupāda.

If we can second guess for editing Śrīla Prabhupāda's sacred vāni, then anything can go on in ISKCON. It is no wonder that the BBTII has fraudulently listed itself as the author of the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is with the US department of copyrights and trademarks and Śrīla Prabhupāda as merely a "worker for hire." And the BBTI has never recanted such an outrageous claim. I believe that such a claim genuinely expresses their position –– claiming Śrīla Prabhupāda's work as their own and not his.

This group has been quiet for some time, because there is much happening behind the scenes. As there are some milestones reached, I will report them here.

In the meantime, if anyone is interested in getting the full contents of the twelve chapter book, Posthumous Editing of a Great Master's Works: Special focus on the writings of A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda (Lexington Books, 2024), please send me a message.

Dāso 'smi premni,
Garuḍa Dāsa