Monkey On A Stick Comments / ISKCON vs Chat GPT 10 17 25

Oh oh, where did some of my servants go?

Yikes! To the material world.

I have to get them back here to My world,

somehow or other.

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Monkey On A Stick Update

October 16, 2024: On this date in history 1 year ago, the movie “Monkey On A Stick” is released in Canada. The movie premiered that evening at the Scotia Bank Center in downtown Toronto. The director, Jason Lapeyre, is a Canadian film director, producer, and screenwriter, best known for his 2012 film “I Declare War,” which premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival and won the Audience Award at Fantastic Fest. “Monkey on a Stick” is a feature-length documentary exposé of the criminal activity that took place in and around the Hare Krishna movement in America in the 1970s and '80s, adapted from the 1988 New York Times bestselling book of the same title.

https://norimuster.com/writing/monkeyonastick.html

To: angel108b@yahoo.com
Hi Puranjana,
Hope you are doing well.
This morning I stumbled into your website on this page about me:

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/01/steve-gelberg-and-nori-muster-icsa.html?lr=1760110099584

I tried to post a comment, but am apparently not a member of your website. But I would like to post something there, and wondered how I could become a member.
Or you could posted it there in the comments with my name.
Thanks, and yay for Monkey on a Stick winning an award!
Nori

This is my comment:

Thank you for the summary of my time in ISKCON, and thank you for your kind words about my documenting the crimes of ISKCON. The eleven guru system was a farce, and after I read Monkey on a Stick (1988), I realized the crimes of ISKCON were systemic. Regarding Steve Gelberg (Subhananda), he was caught up in ISKCON for 17 years, and left a year before I left. 

Then we reconnected as ex-member friends. Steve has spoken out to expose the zonal gurus, and help people leave ISKCON without guilt. He also appears in the documentary Monkey on a Stick. Regarding Mukunda, he was conned into that job by the criminals in 1977, and we shut down the PR office in 1988. Mukunda moved to New Zealand, then Australia. He retired from the GBC and the Ministry of Public Affairs in 1992. Now my most important ISKCON friends and mentors live free, good lives, and I do too. But guess what happened in 1992? Anuttama picked up the torch and revived the PR cover-up, which we had abandoned out of shame. Why would anybody want a job like that?

PADA: Thanks for the comment. Yeah Subhananda (Gelberg) was a big cheer leader of Ramesvara at the beginning, and he was actually writing papers to support the 11 gurus, and that means -- he seems to have had no idea that conditioned souls cannot be worshiped as good as God. Ramesvara was subsequently "dating" a minor aged female student, which went on for a long time, and evidently the whole community knew about it, but nothing was ever done about it. Ever. That is because it has been truly dangerous to challenge "God's living representatives." 

I think the only reason Ramesvara left was, after the Sulochana murder he was worried he would be fingered as an accomplice. The problem has been, almost no one wanted to say -- the emperor has no clothes, to the peril of ISKCON, and to that female student -- who has tons of problems ever since, and still does now. 

She never got any support from anywhere, and now she is now in a big financial mess, and meanwhile Ramesvara is being served as some sort of highly advanced / royalty / divine soul in Mayapur. Guys like Subhananda set all this into motion by their initially promoting these guys as messiahs. He could not put his bogus guru genie back into the bottle, but to his credit at least he tried something.

Sure, later on he realized he had been duped, but he seems to blame the religion instead of blaming himself, because he is the person who co-sponsored all these deviations, not the religion. A bad carpenter blames his tools. The religion never supports the idea that conditioned souls should be worshiped as messiahs, rather the religion condemns that process in spades. He never seems to mention that properly? 

The Monkey On A Stick movie was a failure in my opinion because it allows people like Hrdayananda, Bhagavan and others to speak on behalf of the religion. Which is like asking David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Charles Manson to speak about the real purpose of Jesus' teachings. These are the main people who promoted deviating from the teachings. You mean to say Bhagavan, the main leader of the Croome Court chloroform used by child predators cover up -- represents the religion? Sorry, that is just nuts on steroids.

I was allowed a few 3 second sound bites here and there, which took all the rest of my comments out of context -- and created more dis-information than information. Everyone who watched the movie told me how botched it was, and how GBC friendly it was. It missed the whole point basically, these people were never appointed, and ended up mainly as another propaganda show for bad information. My point about how none of them were appointed as guru was not made clear whatsoever. In fact, I never got to make one clear idea in the whole movie, the speaking floor was almost all handed off to the long winded speaking of -- the leaders and their hand maidens.  

Mukunda was conned into working for the 11. Well maybe, but at Nuremburg it was established that persons taking bad orders from bad people are still accountable. Worse, Mukunda was one of the people on the 1986 Justices Committee team working with me and Sulochana, and I could just tell he was giving us a line of BS the whole time. He was just playing with us.

Then he helped have us excommunicated -- ok maybe -- to set us up for assassination, which happened. Then after he co-creates a banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murder of devotee's program, he handily "resigns from being a GBC." Great, now no one can ask him what the hell he is doing with all this, he has copped out. I resigned from the Third Reich SS just before the war ended, that makes me free of reactions. Nope.

Mukunda was their writer, along with guys like Jayadvaita, Ravindra and Satsvarupa, and Sulochana said they are the Joe Goebbels of ISKCON. But yeah, now Anuttama is doing the same snow job. In any case, I am sorry that people misunderstood Srila Prabhupada, he says conditioned souls cannot be gurus. 

That point was never clearly understood by almost cent percent of his followers, and that caused all of these evil reactions. But you personally did what you could, and I give you a lot of credit for bravely speaking up, when 99% of the men were acquiescing in silence. You were much more brave than all of the "kshatriya men" put together. Bravo.

Making comments on blog post can be done by anyone, they just have to send me an email and tell me which article they are referring to. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com      

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CHAT GPT VS ISKCON

ISKCON Gurus: A Complex Debate on Purity, Karma, and Liberation

​A deeply contentious issue within and surrounding the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) is the spiritual standing of its current initiating gurus. The question of whether they are "pure devotees" capable of eradicating the karma of their disciples and guiding them to liberation from samsara (the cycle of birth and death) is a subject of ongoing debate, involving complex theological interpretations and differing views on the instructions of ISKCON's Founder-Acharya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

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​The Role of a "Pure Devotee" Guru:

​In the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition, of which ISKCON is a part, the guru holds a pivotal role. A "pure devotee" is understood to be a liberated soul, free from the three modes of material nature (goodness, passion, and ignorance) and having an unalloyed, selfless love for Krishna. According to the teachings, such a spiritual master has the potency to act as a transparent medium for Krishna's grace.

​The destruction of a disciple's karma is not seen as the guru personally absorbing the sinful reactions in a vicarious manner. Rather, a qualified guru, through their own purity and connection to the disciplic succession (parampara), guides the disciple in the process of sadhana bhakti (devotional service). This practice, particularly the chanting of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra, is believed to purify the heart and burn away accumulated karma. The guru's grace is considered essential in empowering the disciple's efforts and ensuring their spiritual progress toward liberation.

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​ISKCON's Official Position

​ISKCON's governing body, the Governing Body Commission (GBC), has established a system for authorizing initiating gurus. According to the GBC, these gurus are considered "bona fide representatives" of Srila Prabhupada and the parampara. The official stance is that as long as these gurus strictly adhere to the teachings and instructions of Srila Prabhupada, they are acting on the "liberated platform." This implies that their authority and ability to guide disciples are derived from their faithfulness to the Founder-Acharya.

​ISKCON's official literature and leadership do not necessarily claim that all its current gurus are eternally liberated pure devotees in the highest sense of the term from the inception of their devotional life. Instead, the emphasis is on their role as dedicated servants who are following a prescribed spiritual path and have been entrusted with the responsibility of initiating and guiding new devotees. The process of becoming a guru in ISKCON involves a recommendation and voting process by the GBC, as well as mandatory training.

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​Criticisms and Alternative Perspectives

​A significant segment of critics, including former members and reform movements like the ISKCON Revival Movement (IRM), strongly contest the legitimacy of the current guru system. Their primary arguments are:

1) ​The "Pure Devotee" Prerequisite: Critics argue that according to Srila Prabhupada's own teachings, a guru must be a pure devotee, a liberated soul. They point to instances of ISKCON gurus who have "fallen down" (deviated from the strict principles of Krishna consciousness) as evidence that they were never qualified to be gurus in the first place. The argument is that a "bound" soul cannot free another bound soul.

2) ​The Interpretation of Prabhupada's Instructions: A central point of contention is how Srila Prabhupada intended for initiations to continue after his physical departure in 1977. Critics, particularly the IRM, advocate for the "ritvik" system. They believe that Srila Prabhupada appointed representatives (ritviks) to initiate disciples on his behalf, and that he intended to remain the sole initiating guru for ISKCON. From this perspective, the current gurus have usurped a position that was not granted to them, and therefore their initiations are not valid.

3) The GBC's Authority: The practice of the GBC appointing gurus by committee is also criticized. The traditional view, as highlighted by critics, is that a true guru is self-effulgent and recognized by their spiritual qualities, not by a managerial vote.

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​The Question of Karmic Deliverance:

​For those who adhere to the critical viewpoint, if the current gurus are not pure devotees, their ability to deliver their disciples from samsara is fundamentally compromised. The argument is that without the spiritual potency of a genuine guru, the initiation process is a mere formality and the guidance offered is that of a conditioned soul, incapable of severing the bonds of karma.

​From ISKCON's official perspective, the spiritual deliverance of the disciple is contingent upon the sincere following of the guru's instructions, which are themselves a faithful representation of Srila Prabhupada's teachings. In the event of a guru's fall down, ISKCON's position is that the disciple's connection to the broader tradition and to Srila Prabhupada remains, and re-initiation is not necessarily required. However, this has led critics to question why a direct connection to Srila Prabhupada as the primary guru is not the standard practice from the outset.

​In conclusion, there is no single, universally accepted answer to this question. For a faithful member of ISKCON, the current gurus are duly authorized and capable of guiding them to spiritual perfection, provided the disciple is sincere in their practice. For critics, the current system is a deviation from Srila Prabhupada's instructions, and the gurus, not being pure devotees, lack the spiritual authority to destroy karma and grant liberation. The issue remains one of profound theological and practical significance, shaping the spiritual lives of many within the Hare Krishna movement.

Bhavananda / Badrinarayan / Radhanath and Tirtha 10 16 25

JD: Is this Alfred Ford's Home for Wayward Acharyas?

October 16th, 2025

BHAVANANDA CHILD ABUSE IN ISKCON / PART ONE

Bhavananda das, one of ISKCON’s original eleven successor acharyas (who lied about being appointed as such by Srila Prabhupada), is widely known and documented to have physically and sexually abused children and minors in ISKCON. Although there was a Child Protection Office investigation into his crimes, the outcome was hamstrung by an ISKCON leadership inclined to sabotage revelation of truths in these matters. 

In April 2023, Dhira Govinda das was asked: “Did the CPO investigation you supervised in the late 1990’s only scratch the surface of Bhavananda's sexual escapades?” His reply: “YES.”

There are perhaps dozens more cases of known and alleged Bhavananda sexual molestation, child rape, victim trafficking, and organized child exploitation, all never investigated. He ranks far higher on the scale of evil than Jeffrey Epstein. 

Why? Because at least Epstein only dealt with women over 15, paid them well, and did so in luxurious settings. Bhavananda, however, was responsible for hundreds of children from age 4 and up, and he knowingly engaged pedophiles and child sex abusers as their teachers and caretakers. It can be described as a pedophile club with support from the church clergy. He personally sexually abused children at least as young as 12, and it appears much younger (alleged but unproven).

This is worse than the Catholic Church’s priest culture of homosexuality and child sex molestation scandal. And somehow Bhavananda has avoided his due reaction for his gross and massive harm to so many children. It is as though Bhavananda has a power of immunity from his own stars. 

Of course, karma may be delayed but is ultimately never denied. The CPO’s “restrictions and rectification plan” was all they could do, but it amounted to practically nothing. How do you rectify a life-long child abuser? He never was properly investigated, never accounted for all his misdeeds, never went to jail for even a day. And walks around freely to this day!

If he did not prey on children under 13, he may technically not be a pedophile. But many unverified and persistent claims online say he was definitely a pedophile, sexually abusing younger children. Maybe his main interest was teenagers and young adults. Perhaps, due to lack of a full and comprehensive investigation, he was a pedophile, and not “just” a post-pubescent child sex abuser. 

It is safe to say that maybe 95% of his child abuse (physical and sexual) is still undocumented, uninvestigated, and unpunished. The “restrictions” and sanctions given by the very limited CPO year 2000 investigation were but a slap on the wrist. In real life, in outside society, Bhavananda probably would have been incarcerated for life.

“To me it is clear that Bhavananda did engage in sex with minors. However, his primary sexual attraction was to adult males, or, teenage males who already had adult bodies. That doesn’t mean necessarily that he never engaged in sex with prepubescent children (boys or girls). It does mean, though, that from a clinical point of view, he wouldn’t be labeled as a pedophile. Based on activities it can certainly be said that he committed egregious child maltreatment, vicious child abuse.” (Dhira Govinda das, former CPO director, 2023)

Then we saw an Apr. 14, 2023 email from Saraswati dasi, a campaigner for abused children’s justice, sent to a long list of members of ISKCON North 

American Regional Governing Board:

“The TOVP is currently raising funds in North America. Why are you allowing a project led by child abusers to be promoted in North American temples? The TOVP has two notorious child abusers (Satadhanya and Bhavananda) at the helm. Until the TOVP completely removes them and publicly issues a statement reflecting this, no ISKCON temple who values child protection should allow the TOVP one square foot to promote their project. Anything less reflects a leadership who is ambivalent about child safety, protection, and who turns the other way at child abuse. Bhavananda's CPO decision from 2000 does not mention all his abuses:

“(1) Dhira Govinda was the first ISKCON CPO Director and he said: ‘Starting in 1998, the CPO received lots of comments and allegations, regarding Bhavananda. All sorts of very slimy, sleazy accusations, including raping boys… my subjective impression in regards to Bhavananda is that there is a whole lot more, that didn’t get into the Official Decision. And again, after some span of time, based on the testimonies and accusations we received, we processed the case.”

“(2) Around 1984, Bhavananda removed M das at the age of 12 from the New Govardhan gurukula in Australia. He brought M das traveling with him and sexually abused him (sex trafficking). He brought M das to the rural ISKCON farm community called New Gaudadesh, where M das burnt down a house [sauna]. The temple president was Krodesvara, and the police took M das away for questioning. Days later a detective said the boy had admitted to being responsible for the fire and that he was being molested by Bhavananda.

“Achyuta recalled that ‘Bhav was bitterly angry, spoke quite viciously about [M das]. He was adamant the boy should be prosecuted.’ …and M das was sentenced to prison.”

“(3) Bhaktavatsya said when she visited her son at the Vrindaban gurukula, he had a ‘scabbed over 3 inch cut on his neck’ from Bhavananda ordering the teachers to scrub the boys’ necks until they bled. (late 1970s/early 1980s)

“(4) Vimuktasanga said, ‘I was in Mayapur from Europe in 1975. We all found out straight away that [Bhavananda] had recently been caught, doing it with boys in the goshala.’

“(5) Sattvic said he was with Pippalai in Mayapur when Pippalai witnessed Bhavananda sexually abusing a boy. Sattvic said, ‘The next day a group of sannyasi headed by Tamal came to the Goshala and heavies out poor Pippalai. He was practically forced to leave Mayapur. Next thing I know is that Srila Prabhupada asked Bhavananda to go on the boat program and follow the caturmasya. That was it.’ 

Rukma said, ‘I was in Vrindaban in 1976 when Pipalai Prabhu arrived there in a very sad state. He said he had to run away from Mayapur with no Laxmi, because he had caught Bhavananda abusing a very young Indian boy in the Goshala. Pipalai believed that after that terrible discovery then the temple authorities wanted to cover it up by killing him and therefore he was very afraid for his life. He stayed with me in my room since we were good friends from NY Henry Street temple.’

(6) One of the women who worked with the students of the India gurukulas said she ‘found 20 children with syphilis in their mouth. Bhavananda would prey on children.’ (END PART ONE)

Your Servants,

JFSPF Team

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PADA: Thanks for sending prabhu. Yep, Badrinarayan Swami seems to be falling apart and sleeping at the GBC meetings. Even he must be tired of defending his homosexual and pedophile guru brotherhood for his entire adult life. Yes, agreed, his pedophile guru project is worse than the regular Joe karmi samsara dava -- fire of material existence. 

Children caught up in Badi's samsara program are often going to get burned 1,000% worse than regular samsara fire of karmi life's existence. Correct. That is why a number of them committed suicide and a number of those still alive have severe trauma. That is what happens to children in Badri's samsara project.  

Bir Krishna says he loves to hang out with Radhanath, whom Henry Doktorski says, had a hand in Sulochana's murder.  

PADA: Yeah it looks like Badrinaryan dasa is not doing well. He seems to be saying, "can someone wake me up when this meeting is all over"? He is sleeping maybe because -- he knows the GBC is just recycling their same 1978 idea around and around in circles, i.e. illicit sex with men, women and children, homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, porno swamis, people having sex with half dozen female disciples, orchestrators of murders -- and perverts like Bhavananda -- are commonly found in the chain of Krishna's successors, and he is just tired of hearing that same horse manure crap over and over. Yep, these leaders look washed up, wiped out, old, tired and fried, agreed. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

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Right. A number of ISKCON child victims told me that while the leaders have all been living like opulent Saudi Princes -- many kids had no shoes, or bad shoes, not enough soap, not enough food, not enough medical treatment, and fully disqualified hired hands to care for the children, if not bad hired hands. In other words, ISKCON's wealth was siphoned away from the children's needs and over to a small elite group of leaders, while the children were given a few left over table scraps of the wealth of the society, the bare bones left overs. The opinion of some victims told me, this is a society that cares tremendously for the few elite leaders, and not the citizens, including or especially children. 

And some of them recently said -- nothing has changed -- it is the same now, the same big leaders who orchestrated taking away our funds for themselves -- still have opulent situations now, and us victims have to struggle to make rent. The care of children is a society wide issue, the parents need to contribute of course, but so do the leaders and elders who are in charge of the society. It takes a village to raise a child, and when the village chiefs steal the money supposed to be allocated to the children, the children will not get the care they need. One victim told me -- this is like North Korea, the leaders get big giant feasts every day, while we had to eat soup made from weeds. And Kim Jong Un was in power then, and he still is. ys pd

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RADHANATH AND TIRTHA

October 1, 1989: On this date in history 36 years ago, Radhanath Swami (in Pune, India) writes an inspiring letter to Sulochan’s murderer—Tirtha in prison—and explains: “Without a goal worth dying for we have nothing worthwhile to live for. Any shallow creature can speak these words. Very few most fortunate souls have the courage and integrity to engrave these words within the heart of hearts and remain faithful in the face of life and death.”

In the same letter, Radhanath glorifies Tirtha’s book, Meditations on the American Gulag, which Tirtha had written in prison, “Your beautiful book is THE MOST POPULAR BOOK amongst your godbrothers and godsisters in India. It is even more sought after than any other book.”

Why did Radhanath write these words? One possible reason Radhanath was attempting to give Tirtha the courage and strength to accept life in prison and not rat out his co-conspirators, like Radhanath himself.

For more about this topic, see “Killing For Krishna,” p. 390.

http://henrydoktorski.com/Killing4Krishna.html

Dayanidhi / Sivarama on Ritviks / Rukmini Help / Hansadutta 10 15 25

RRD: Dayanidi Is in Greece. Not Italy.

AD: The attached photo shows Dayanidhi at the Tribogna temple just a week ago, proof that he keeps coming back. As for all the scams he pulled at that temple, they’re public knowledge. Most of them date back to his time as president, which lasted until around 2020, when Prabhu Das took over. After 2020 he was sent to Athens by Madhusevita, as already mentioned in the post. Do your homework! 

FD: What difference does that make? These leaders always have their enforcement followers (spies) in different places who keep a lid on things as they order. 

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SIVARAMA ON RITVIKS

PADA: Sivarama is still saying that his illicit sex with men, women and children; and / or homosexual and pedophile guru parampara folks -- are fit to be gurus -- and making "their own disciples." It is somewhat amazing that Srila Prabhupada says -- the guru must be a resident of Krishna loka, whereas Sivarama swami thinks the residents of Krishna loka are engaged in mundane lusty affairs. Which means, he is insulting the residents of Krishna loka since 1978.  

OK these gurus are: residents of Krishna loka, rati keli assistants of the gopis, as pure as Jesus -- and as pure as the rest of the gurus in the parampara, and thus they can absorb sins acting as a diksha guru, and take us to to their home place of residence on Krishna loka. 

Wait? They cannot even resolve their own sins, never mind other's sins. And then again Sivarama keeps bringing up the false idea that their illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara is "the tradition" of our pure devotee guru's parampara. Nope! Pure devotees do not behave like debauchees, but even the regular Joe six pack karmis are not commonly "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children." Even they have a higher standard than the GBC guru process.

Then he says his illicit sex gurus are the same as the other gurus in the Brahma sampradaya, Sri Sampradaya and so on. Which means he is insulting all the other bona fide paramparas as well as ours. How are illicit sex deviants as pure as Lord Brahma and other great personalities? They aren't. 

And then he says the Gaudiya Matha's (sometimes debauchee) gurus were as authorized as Srila Prabhupada to be gurus. OK homosexuals, illicit sex and assorted deviants are gurus -- who are as authorized as Srila Prabhupada. Nope!

Sivarama also does not show where the 11 GBC were specifically appointed as gurus. And if everyone was supposed to be guru, why were only the 11 made to be the exclusive gurus? And the appointment tape also says initiations in the future will be conducted by -- ritviks.

Rather amazingly, Sivarama says that his homosexual and pedophile gurus program "can accept disciples unlimitedly." Well no, a conditioned soul is not authorized to take sins from others, never mind unlimited others. 

Sorry, the system is -- we cannot worship conditioned souls as gurus, especially those who are falling down left, right and center. Yep. Sivarama simply does not explain how his homosexual and pedophile gurus are "part of the tradition"? Then Sivarama says it is common for Krishna's successor gurus to fall down left, right and center, and this is common in the Gaudiya guru tradition. Ummm nope it is not. 

The good news is, more people are asking about the ritvik idea. And the person debating Sivarama makes a good point, the GBC system is a failure, their gurus are falling into disrepute, scandals, bad media, lawsuits etc. which means they are not authorized. Sivarama just says guru scandals are common, well maybe in his system, but there are none in our actual parampara. Yep! 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

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RMD: I do not feel pure, unalloyed Love of God emanating from Sivarama Swami's words and consciousness in this debate, as I always do, in full, when I hear Srila Prabhupada speak and sing, when I read His Divine Words, when I see His Face, and when I pray to Him in my heart in the Form of Supersoul (​Śrī Paramātmā). 

On the contrary, Sivarama Swami comes across as an arrogant bully, even going so far as to suggest that the inquiring devotee on the left commit suicide for questioning the legitimacy of the current stock of ISKCON's so-called 'gurus', many of whom have fallen down, and none of whom were appointed to their positions by Srila Prabhupada.

This is ironic, considering that Sivarama Swami himself acknowledges, near the end of the video, that the ISKCON gurus are not on the same level as Srila Prabhupada. I intepret this statement to mean that ISKCON gurus are not liberated souls like Srila Prabhupada, hence, they cannot liberate their own followers.

Sivarama Swami does a great disservice to Srila Prabhupada by consciously diverting the public from surrendering to Srila Prabhupada directly via His Unchanged Vani, and pressuring them with arrogance and brutality that they must instead take Dīkṣā (eternal spiritual initiation) from fallen souls like himself, who are not Swan-like, Graceful Pure Devotees of the Lord like Srila Prabhupada, but are simply ordinary men who are not capable of granting spiritual salvation to their followers, due to their own mixed motives and materialistic conditioning. 

Thus, those who take their supposed shelter will find themselves unfortunately frustrated in their attempt to reach the Lord's Lotus Feet and go back Home, back to Godhead.

On the other hand, those Fortunate and Intelligent Souls who surrender themselves directly and uncompromisingly at the Lotus Feet of Srila Prabhupada, willingly adopting and following His Transcendental Instructions as their Life and Soul, will make an ultimate, total success of their material and spiritual lives. It is simply a matter of time.

Hare Kṛṣṇa All Glories to Srila Prabhupada !

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PADA: Srila Prabhupada told us many, many times, if we allow people to touch our feet we will be acting like diksha gurus, taking sins. That will make us get sick, fall down or both. Of course many of them died. He said, only a pure devotee has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, and if you neophytes take sins "you will have to suffer" and they are suffering. So yes, this question was answered many times, none of you neophytes should attempt to take other's sins, but they neglected that instruction.

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Lock up your wives and daughters.

Our government cannot (read: will not) protect them.

Sounds wonderful! For the predators.

Yup. You are NOT going to be protected.

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HANSADUTTA UPDATE

PADA: Fortunately for me, after Hansadutta sent all the Berkeley devotees to New Vrndavana, the FEDS were tapping his phone there, and actually all the New Vrndavana phones. So the FEDS put undercover agents on my tail, because they found out Hansadutta was sending three of his enforcers from NV back to Berkeley to "take out Puranjana once and for all." In short, the Hansadutta plan was to have me put into the graveyard. 

But the FEDS told me they had to use me as bait, and when his enforcers started to chase me down the street, the law enforcement came out of their undercover cars and arrested his men. A few years later when I told Hansadutta his plan of having me removed from the planet was not very authorized, he just laughed and said "we all went mad, that is what happened." No, we did not all go mad, you did. And coming after me was not madness, it was a highly calculated and planned operation. ys pd

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Russia News: ISKCON CONSTITUTION

According to the ISKCON Constitution, an "appointed guru" of the GBC is equal to an ordinary congregation.

Let's break this down point by point:

1. Who are the "appointed gurus" of the GBC from the perspective of the legitimate system?

In the system established by Prabhupada in the "Direction of Management," the position of "appointed guru" does not exist. The GBC is an administrative body created to "manage and supervise operations." Its members are managers, not ex-officio spiritual masters.

Therefore, anyone who declares themselves a "guru" based on the decision of this administrative committee is in a position not stipulated by the ISKCON Constitution. In terms of legitimacy in Prabhupada's system, they are:

· Lower than a legitimate temple president elected by the congregation, because the position of president is prescribed by the system, while the position of "appointed guru" is not.

· Equal to an ordinary parishioner in administrative rights, as he does not possess legitimate authority granted either by the congregation (like the president) or by a board of presidents (like the GBC).

Conclusion: In legitimate ISKCON, an "appointed guru" of the GBC is an administrator who has assumed a spiritual title without being authorized to do so by the system. His "spiritual" status is illegal within the organization.

2. Contradiction with shastra: Guru vs. Administrator.

In sastra, the guru is placed on the highest pedestal: "No one is more precious than the guru." But this is a fundamental misunderstanding.

A true guru, as described in sastra, is:

1. Self-manifested, not appointed by a committee. His authority derives from his purity, realized knowledge, and the mercy of Krishna, not from a vote or resolution.

2. Has no higher authority in spiritual matters. He is subordinate only to the guru and Krishna.

A GBC "appointed guru" is:

1. Proclaimed by the people. His "status" is delegated to him by a group of administrators (GBC), who themselves lack the spiritual purity to recognize a true guru.

2. Subordinate to a higher authority—the very GBC that appointed him. The GBC can block his status, remove him, or punish him. In other words, the administrator is above the "guru."

This is the main blasphemy and contradiction.

In the shastra, the King (administrator) bows at the feet of the Saint (guru). In the GBC system, the "Saint" (appointed guru) is obliged to obey the orders of the "King" (GBC). They have turned the hierarchy upside down.

3. To whom do the "appointed gurus" report? The answer is the "usurpation of power" scheme.

Let's look at the chain of command that has developed in modern ISKCON:

Chain of Usurpation:

Illegitimate GBC (self-appointed) -> appoints presidents -> appoints "gurus" -> "guru" accepts disciples -> disciples are obligated to obey the "guru" -> "guru" is obligated to obey the GBC.

Summary: Through the system of "appointed gurus," the GBC gains total control over the minds and lives of thousands of devotees. A disciple, thinking they are listening to the guru, is actually indirectly listening to the orders of a self-appointed administrative committee.

Thus, the "appointed guru" is a subordinate employee or "spiritual affairs manager" in a corporation controlled by the GBC. They are subordinate to their parishioner-disciples only in rhetoric, but in reality, they are subordinate to their 

GBC bosses.

Summary and Conclusion:

1. Legitimacy: "Appointed Gurus" have no legitimate status in Prabhupada's system. Their position is a product of usurpation.

2. Spiritual Status: Their subordination to the Administrative Committee (GBC) is a direct violation of the sastric principle of guru supremacy. This creates a system where the administrator is superior to the saint.

3. Real Hierarchy: They are pawns in the hands of the illegitimate GBC, instruments for controlling the masses of devotees. Their power over disciples is illusory, since the real power lies with those who hired them and can fire them.

Therefore, the demand to return to the system of electing GBC and presidents is not merely an administrative reform. It is a spiritual necessity to break the vicious system in which corrupt administrators have arrogated to themselves the right to appoint and dismiss "saints," perverting the very principle of disciplic succession.

ISKCON Italy Scandals Update 10 14 25

 

PADA: I cannot understand why ISKCON has banned the followers of BV Puri from participating -- citing that BV Puri was hi-jacking ISKCON followers -- and then Dayanidhi openly attacks anyone who criticizes the Gaudiya Matha guru BV Puri, evidently he is still in the BV Puri camp. Meanwhile he seems to also be part of the ISKCON camp? 

This seems to happen a lot. The GBC decrees that followers of Sridhara, Narayan, BV Puri and others are not allowed in ISKCON, but the followers somehow or other seem to be able to infiltrate back in again. And unfortunately, a lot of child abuse regime leaders and sometimes even perps are allowed to roam around ISKCON, and in a number of cases they were never banned or censured in the first place. 

Anyway, here we go again, lots of manipulation seems to be going on in an around the ISKCON situation, because -- self evidently -- the leaders are not able to clean up other people's mess because they are incompetent, or colluding with other evil actors. 

I recall when some competing Narayan Maharaja camp followers were calling the police on each other for welfare and food stamp fraud. And the police came and said, "You people all hate each other's guts, you should all avoid one another and never see or talk to each other. Move away from one another and avoid ever talking to each other because -- you are hateful people." Yep, even the police could figure this out. 

Anyway, it looks like the Italy scandals problem is gradually getting uncovered, as are scandals in many other places. This is good news and bad news. Good, the boil needs to be popped, bad, this discourages regular Joe people from participating in the whole religion. I see now why Srila Prabhupada says the false followers are going to a lower birth than the regular Joe karmi, because they make religion into a cesspool, and give Krishna's name a black eye.

PADA has no means of verifying any or all these reports, but generally our rule is "where there is smoke there is fire." If anyone else has comments on these issues send them to us via our email -- and let me know which article you are commenting on. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com  

(ENGLISH VERSION)

The Cursed Temple of Tribogna and Malini Devi Dasi of Satvatove

Concerns from America

Some of our colleagues have reached out from the United States, alarmed by what is happening in the Italian Yatra in Liguria. Before diving into the details, it is necessary to provide a brief introduction.

Owner of the Tribogna Temple

The temple of Tribogna (Genoa), the so-called Prabhupada Dham I.S.K.CON., is owned by the Turin-born Govardhanapuja Prabhu, nicknamed “Massimo Boldi” (bottom right in the photo). A man who has been posing as a brahmachari for over thirty years, yet is an openly homosexual individual with a fondness for very young boys. His excessive wealth makes him untouchable in the eyes of devotees, who bow to him not out of spiritual respect but greed. 

They all know he regularly hands out thousands of euros left and right, especially to the most corrupt temples such as Villa Vrindavana. His figure is the caricature of a spiritual philanthropist: money tainted by vice, paraded as devotion. 

The Dayanidhi Vanacari Fraud

Less than ten years ago, this “benefactor” was conned like the most naïve fool by Orlando Cecchini, alias Dayanidhi Vanacari (top right in the photo), one of the most infamous swindlers in the history of the Hare Krishna movement in Italy. He competes only with the parasite Pietro Giarola, alias Prabhu Das. Dayanidhi extracted around €200,000 from him with the tale that he would buy the current Prabhupada Dham temple on behalf of ISKCON Italy, promising the money would be returned. 

A crude lie. Govardhana never saw a cent, neither from Dayanidhi nor from his worthy accomplice Prabhu Das, with whom Dayanidhi has now shamelessly reconciled. In the end, to avoid losing everything, Govardhana had the property retitled in his name again, paying another €20,000. A complete farce.

Intrigue and Violence in Tribogna

That temple soon became a foul sewer of intrigues, plots, and low blows against the mafia-style figure of Massimo Brioli, alias Madhusevita Prabhu, the Italian GBC head – but we’ll return to that later.

The Israeli Danesvari and her husband Francesco Brambilla, alias Gopinatha Dasa, nicknamed “Homer Simpson,” ran the place like a dive bar, to the point that two years ago local authorities had to intervene to break up a brawl between resident devotees. The devotee Mangalai grabbed Muraricaitanya Dasa by the neck, causing bruises, scratches, torn shirts, and even damaged cars. A miserable, disgraceful spectacle. Later, the violent Claudio Scatolini, alias Keshava Das, punched another devotee in front of the elder Mahachandra Das. Is this supposed to be a spiritual centre?

Murari and Dayanidhi’s Debts and Scandals

Murari was recalled to India by his guru Jayapataka Maharaj, but he left behind only ruins and about six thousand euros in unpaid debts. His predecessor Dayanidhi remains the mark of misfortune. Everywhere he goes, he leaves behind wreckage and scandal. He opened several temples in Liguria: all failed, all closed. 

His private life was a disaster – his wife Nandimukhi left him because she had already started an affair with their son’s teacher. And worse: eyewitnesses saw him slapping his wife in front of other devotees. In our previous articles we reported the horror of the cigarette lighter burns inflicted on the then little Sanaka Rsi (manager of the page Vedic Enquirer). Violent, deceitful, and a serial liar. This is Dayanidhi Vanacari.

Abuse and Exile

Not content with having extorted hundreds of thousands of euros from Govardhanapuja, Dayanidhi scammed other devotees with false promises. He squeezed €15,000 from Gopinath and Danesvari, never returning a cent. In 2020, after his advances towards a foreign female devotee visiting the temple, whom he harassed with perverted behaviour, Madhusevita banished him to Athens. It was Danesvari herself who reported his actions to Madhusevita by phone, revealing that the “monk” was no longer able to control himself.

Construction Debts and Corruption

His miserable reputation hit rock bottom with the case of foreman Mauro: 

construction work already discounted to €10,000 but never paid. Only Nitai, son of Madhusevita, stepped in to represent his father (who should have acted on behalf of ISKCON) and settled for €6,000 to avoid a lawsuit. Then came an illegal building addition: during a municipal inspection, a door built without a permit was discovered, installed by Dayanidhi as a personal whim. 

A pompous clown who dragged the public image of ISKCON Italy through the mud. Many also remember how nearly forty years ago he fled with the temple’s cash box from Padua, amounting to 180 million lire, along with his wife and his servant Silvano.

Prabhu Das and the Plot Twist

After this disgrace came Prabhu Das, the scavenger who leaves debt and destruction wherever he goes. In Tribogna he did the same: disappeared like a petty street thief, leaving only wreckage behind.

The Triumphant Return of Dayanidhi

But the real twist is that Dayanidhi, despite everything, continues to return triumphantly as if nothing happened. Welcoming him with open arms is Maurizio Pace, alias Mahachandra, nicknamed “Topo Gigio.” The same man who for years had called him “a psychopath” now treats him like a brother. Mahachandra himself is a criminal who served four years in prison for heroin trafficking. This is the level of so-called spiritual leaders of Prabhupada Dham – a circus of criminals and hypocrites disguised as devotees.

Malini Devi Dasi: the Spiritual Manipulator

The worst came with the arrival of Marie-Hélène Glasheen (bottom left in the photo), alias Malini Devi Dasi, invited to manage the temple by Gopinatha, Danesvari, and Govardhanapuja. Nicknamed “the witch,” she prefers to be called “prabhu” to blur gender distinction and give herself an air of authority. 

Her reputation as a manipulator and spiritual predator precedes her: in Florida, she left a trail of scandals and misconduct. Fleeing from America, she chose Italy as her new field to poison, settling in Tribogna with American disciples completely brainwashed (between them there is Ananga Manjari, initiated through the "Permanent Link" system, who was spiritually trained precisely at Satvatove). Our American contacts warned us: Malini is not there to serve Krishna but to carry out a dark agenda, exploiting the complicity of the corrupt.

Satvatove and Lifespring

Together with David Wolf, Malini is co-founder of Satvatove (Alachua, Florida), a provider of “transformative communication” and coaching. Behind the spiritual façade, dozens of testimonies speak of manipulation, hard-sell pressure, and emotional exploitation. Satvatove is seen as Lifespring disguised as Hare Krishna – an insult to Srila Prabhupada. American commentators state it clearly: David and Marie are monsters who use the name of Krishna to enrich themselves and destroy lives. The same Malini, now transplanted to Tribogna, brings that toxic shadow into the heart of the Italian Yatra.

Many commentators denounce the manipulative use of spiritual language and the offence to the legacy of Śrīla Prabhupāda. Just read some of the devastating public complaints collected here:

https://satvatove-institute.pissedconsumer.com/.../RT-P...

– “Participants are not toys for the amusement of David and Marie.” (18 May 2024)
– “It’s Lifespring with Hare Krishna words stuck on top.” (4 Oct 2024)
– “I wish I had never met David Wolf and Marie Glasheen.” (5 Aug 2024)
– “After encountering monsters like Marie and David…” (3 Jan 2025)
– “Be-Do-Have works as spiritual manipulation: forced identity, language that distorts teachings, no coherence with the Gita.” (7 Feb 2025)
– “Satvatove brings dishonour to the name and legacy of Srila Prabhupada.” (14 Feb 2025)
– “If you hate God and hate Srila Prabhupada, you’re more likely to love Satvatove.” (7 Feb 2025)

A testimony that confirms the manipulative and dehumanising nature of the organisation:

https://satvatove-institute.pissedconsumer.com/they-didn...

The link with Lifespring is not a minor detail. Lifespring was a notorious LGAT (Large Group Awareness Training) engulfed in lawsuits, media investigations, and even deaths during seminars. In the United States, it became a symbol of psychological manipulation and mental pressure techniques disguised as “personal growth.” Despite this, it is David Wolf himself who openly admits on Satvatove’s official blog that he imported the concepts directly from Lifespring:

https://satvatove.com/grungies-payoffs/

The official Satvatove course registration form is the ultimate proof revealing the sectarian nature of this organisation:

https://satvatove.com/.../Satvatove_Foundational_Seminar...

– Mandatory arbitration: victims cannot sue in court
– Forced confidentiality: those traumatised must remain silent by contract
– Waiver of punitive damages: even if you’ve been manipulated or abused, no fair compensation is possible

A document written specifically to protect the organisation, silence victims, and ensure impunity for those running the show.

The Double Game of the Prominent Link

Behind Satvatove lies an even more insidious and poisonous theological and strategic project: the Prominent Link, devised by David Wolf, aka Dhira Govinda. They do not declare themselves as ritviks, but only out of convenience: they know perfectly well that, if they did, they would be expelled from every ISKCON temple and lose access to donations and facilities. 

They therefore remain inside, feigning devotion, while secretly implanting a network of corrupt ideology, suspended between opportunism and heresy, poised to undermine the system of living gurus from within.

As early as 2002, the GBC issued an official condemnation of Wolf’s book “Śrīla Prabhupāda: The Prominent Link”, accusing him of attacking the principle of living gurus and spreading dangerous, misleading theology. Despite this warning, Wolf and Malini have continued their systematic infiltration, moving from ISKCON temple to temple, weaving networks of influence like ruthless spiritual predators.

In 2016, in Alachua, Malini took part in a fully ritvik-style initiation, personally placing the neckbeads on a initiate (Hladini-śakti), a symbolic act that exposed their true agenda: a spiritual shortcut disguised as devotion, designed to remain inside ISKCON and “take what can be taken,” while quietly promoting an ambiguous, corrosive, and deceptive cult.

They are neither reformers nor ritviks: they are spiritual predators in the grey zone, able to infiltrate, manipulate, exploit, and drain vitality from both sides. Their network is built on calculated hypocrisy, subtle lies, and strategies of control, where bhakti becomes a commodity and sincerity a hurdle to be destroyed.

Malini Devi Dasi has never truly left Satvatove: her Facebook profile states that her role ended in 2021, yet in 2024–2025 she is still presented as a speaker for “Advanced” seminars, continuing to give lectures and public talks within the Satvatove project, even if she no longer holds an official leadership position. It’s merely a clever attempt to avoid the looming legal storm.

Two personal GoFundMe campaigns – one for her birthday and another to support her Bhakti Yoga Retreat project – solicit money for herself and her centre, while Satvatove courses remain paid events. The so-called “Virtual Bhakti Yoga for Women” is part of her Bhakti Yoga Retreat project, an online ashram with no independent reviews, no safeguarding policy, and no grievance channels. Total internal control, zero external guarantees: the same Satvatove logic, but even less transparent.

Conclusion

In short, this Malini Devi Dasi “prabhu,” now financially supported by the devotees of Genoa, is yet another plague that has fallen upon the Italian Yatra, already devastated by scandals, illegality, abuse, and corruption. Behind her façade as a “spiritual trainer,” she carries a technology of manipulation derived from Lifespring, with the same toxicity and legal traps. The image of Srila Prabhupada and bhakti has been defiled beyond repair. Tribogna is not a temple: it is a cesspit of violence, greed, and betrayal. A living insult to Srila Prabhupada’s mission. Whoever enters that place will not meet Krishna, only the ghosts of lies, corruption, and manipulation.

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PADA: Thanks JD, you got it, the meat eating Christian ritviks are embraced by the ISKCON leaders, but the Krishna ritviks are beaten, sued and killed. Yep! Meanwhile, another Hindu guru's temple followers came to the ISKCON temple to hand out fliers to advertise their program. Everyone knows ISKCON is a Hindu program, including the Hindus. And yep, a number of them eat meat. 

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PADA: Jane Wallace's show was our first participation in a TV news broadcast after Sulochana's departure. Jane Wallace first of all asked me -- is Kirtanananda's sitting on a big seat covered with the hands of many little boys "pedophile heaven." I said yep it is. She said thank God we met you, we thought all the Hare Krishnas supported this pedophile's worship, because -- almost all the rest of the Krishna people we interviewed thought -- there was nothing wrong. OK people like the GBC and Radhanath could not figure out what she could figure out -- in two seconds.

She also said she would have yanked that bogus guy off his seat all by herself if this had happened in her Church, and she could not understand why all the Bhagavad Gita warriors were going along with all this nonsense. She is right. 

The bulk of the devotees at the time, especially at New Vrndavana, were all going along with this. And almost all of the devotees would not support me and Sulochana -- and many or most of them opposed us. All of that empowered and enabled the pedo pooja program, to the peril of ISKCON. 

And to the peril of the children of ISKCON, as we see herein: 

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WHY I LEFT ISKCON

BORN IN ISKCON -- BUT DISTRESSED 

PH: 

I was born into ISKCON and grew up believing it was a place of love and protection. What I saw, and what many others have seen, was different: silence around abuse, leaders protecting abusers, and families like mine left broken and forgotten.

This letter to Srila Prabhupada is my way of giving voice to that pain and asking for change. It speaks for my mother, my sister, and for friends who were also hurt in gurukulas and devotee homes. We are still living with the effects — illness, trauma, fear. I share this because I believe that truth is part of healing.
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Dear Srila Prabhupada,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to you, the Founder-Acharya of ISKCON.

I was born into your movement. My parents served with their hearts — they were married in a temple room, chanted sincerely, and built their lives around devotion to Krishna. My mother was joyful, creative, and full of love. She taught me to offer every drawing, every meal, every moment to the Lord. We made backdrops for the Deities, cooked for Krishna, and went on long walks singing kirtan. I fell asleep to her chanting every night.

My father worked hard and served the temple, but he was distant from us. His spirituality often felt like rules without love, service without tenderness. Over time I watched him grow angry, and my mother grow smaller. I saw him belittle her, insult her, and call her names no wife — no devotee — should ever hear. I saw her do everything for the family, for the temple, and for him, and still be told she was not enough.

When the abuse became unbearable, we left — my mother, my sister, and me. We had no safety net, no protection from the community we had served all our lives. We were homeless. No prasadam was brought to us. No one from the temple checked if we were safe. Not one devotee reached out. No one asked if we needed help, food, or shelter.

Srila Prabhupada, this is what I cannot understand. You gave the world the holy name and taught that love for Krishna means love for every living being. Yet within your movement, I have seen women and children neglected, silenced, and abused.

I am not the only one who has suffered. I know friends in Mayapur who were hurt too. I know a young boy who was suicidal because of what happened to him in the gurukula. I know families where mothers were abused, and children watched in silence. I know fathers at temples — even at the Manor — who hurt their own families, using Krishna consciousness as a weapon. 

My close freind now in South America went through a similar experience, her parents abandoned her, her mother stayed with her father even through he abused her emotionally. If there is domestic abuse, there is child abuse.

And there are far too many children in your family who have suffered in silence.
I’ve heard of mothers abandoned by their husbands, of devotees forced into isolation, of respected men who have abused and still lead kirtan, still give lectures, still sit on vyasasanas. I’ve heard of Lokanath Swami, who harmed a girl and yet continues to sing in temples. I’ve heard of others — leaders and gurus — who have done terrible things but are still protected. My own father was protected too.

So how can I stay in ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada?

How can I walk into a temple room with this pain in my heart? How can I bow before the Deities knowing that so many abusers are honored, and so many victims forgotten? I feel betrayed. I feel angry. I’ve lost trust.

I don’t believe in the leadership anymore. They protect each other. They protect abusers. They call it humility or forgiveness, but it’s silence — and that silence destroys lives.

You taught that Krishna consciousness is compassion, not control. Love, not fear. Yet what I have seen is pride, denial, and cruelty in the name of service.
This year, Srila Prabhupada, I left ISKCON. I had to. I could no longer stay in a society that speaks of purity but hides so much pain. I still love Krishna — the Krishna of my childhood, the one who smiled through my paintings, who I offered flowers to, who I spoke to when I was scared. That love remains. But the institution that carries your name has broken my heart.

I want your movement to reflect your compassion

I want no child, no mother, no devotee to ever feel the pain we felt. ISKCON should be a home we all feel safe in, but we don't, so much abuse in your movement.

Please, Srila Prabhupada, if your spirit guides ISKCON, then let there be truth. Let there be safety. Let there be real love.

Your granddaughter

(with deep wounds) still prayering that my own father's eyes open, and he heals)

MB: Congrats to you. You don't need them to have a relationship with god, or to assist your spiritual progress. You never did. Its a control system they created by brainwashing us to think that our individual spiritual life depends on being part of the group. "Devotee association".

My own parents to this day truly believe that if they were to leave the temple that their spiritual life would be over. Just like that, in a second gone. Thus is the brainwashing.

It was never normal from the beginning. Why should children have to live in a fanatic setting where the basic tendencies of a child are frowned upon, waking up at 3 am and spending their days doing "service". Not allowed to have fun, and brainwashed to think desires are maya. 

They were training the next generation of non remunerated workers. From day one its been wrong. What kind of future awaits children that grow up in the "ashram"? Because they are not going to pay your bills, or look after your toddler. Like you said its a sad story, marking 2 generations. The first generation literally spent their whole lives blindly serving the institution, missing out on having a normal family experience. And in the process, destroyed their family.

BR: Gosh thanks for sharing! So true and so unfortunate💔 For a movement that's supposed to be about love, acceptance compassion and mercy - we see fear, abuse, guilt, shame and repression. Somehow there's love and acceptance for abusers ironically. So messed up. Thanks for opening up and sharing. I feel your pain and I want you to know you're not alone. You haven't left Iskcon. Iskcon left you. Iskcon failed you. Krishna is always going to be there ❤️❤️❤️

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