PADA: Brahmatirtha is in charge of a response? You mean the same Brahmatirtha who has been a big cheer leading defender of the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's club? And he is credited with defending Laxmi moni and other offenders, along with Hrdayananda etc.
How can a person who is helping his pals like Mahatma promote the worship of an illicit sex guru system be placed in charge of administering a judgement on -- anything? This sounds like the same musical chairs program we have had all along.
Well jeepers prabhu -- this person or that person -- or this committee or that committee -- will investigate this -- and most of the time -- nothing of substance ever changes? Except, many of the committee members quit, resign, leave, go into hiding, disappear, join another sampradaya, get sick, and / or leave their bodies etc. without making any statement on this or other matters.
OK I do not have a lot of confidence the GBC will come up with a useful response anytime soon. They did acknowledge getting the letter, and that is a good start, because usually they just ignore everything and hope it all blows over. Perhaps they are starting to realize, this issue is not going to fade out and disappear, it is growing and is going to continue to grow. ys pd
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THE POISON ISSUE
Response from ISKCON GBC Executive Committee
November 6, 2024
Dear Friends, Well-Wishers, and Supporters of Srila Prabhupada and His Movement,
Please accept our sincere respects. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna. On September 16th, 2024, we wrote a letter that included, “We ask that the ISKCON GBC Executive Committee acknowledges receipt of this letter and packet before October 2nd, 2024, and responds to this letter before November 1st, 2024…” At this link is our full letter from September 16th-
https://justiceforsrilaprabhupadafoundation.org/.../Vital...
On November 2nd, 2024, we received a reply from the ISKCON Governing Body Commission Executive Committee (GBC EC).
That letter is addressed, “Dear Devotees”, and signed by-
“Guru Prasad Swami
Tapana Misra Das
Govardhana Das,
GBC Executive Committee”
Here is the major portion of the GBC Executive Committee letter:
“The Justice for Srila Prabhupada wrote to the GBC: ‘…We request that you, the GBC Executive Committee, cooperate with the efforts of the Justice for Srila Prabhupada Foundation towards uncovering and revealing to Srila Prabhupada's followers and the world the facts regarding Srila Prabhupada's disappearance pastime. Please let us know before Nov. 1, 2024, whether you, the members of the GBC Executive Committee, are ready to meet and discuss with our team about the subject of this letter and future course of action related to the contents of this letter.’
“The GBC acknowledge receipt of your letter of September 16, 2024 and pack of material. We are ready to meet with you and discuss the subject matter of the letter. We have requested the Bhaktivedanta Institute for Higher Studies to provide technical support to the GBC EC on this matter. Please provide to them all of the back-up of your data and give them direct access to the Truth Labs to review your alleged new evidence. In this way we can be prepared for a discussion.”
We appreciate that the GBC EC has replied to the Justice for Srila Prabhupada Foundation (JFSPF). And, as they appear to be still far from acknowledging that there’s very strong reason to suspect that Srila Prabhupada was criminally poisoned, we express here our understanding that it can be very difficult to accept that Srila Prabhupada was given poison with homicidal intent by those close to him in 1977.
In 1997, when the “whisper tapes” first surfaced on the internet, Dhira Govinda dasa was serving as chairperson of the Board of Directors of ISKCON of Alachua (New Raman Reti). Devotees naturally approached him to ask about his views in regard to the possibility that Srila Prabhupada was maliciously poisoned.
Dhira Govinda dasa replied to them that he assumed that such allegations had no credibility, and were not to be regarded seriously. After a few weeks a senior, highly respected member of the community, and of Srila Prabhupada’s movement internationally, proactively mentioned this issue to Dhira Govinda dasa, and this Vaisnava asserted to Dhira Govinda dasa, that, as a leader in the community, he ought to genuinely, thoughtfully consider the reports that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned.
At that time, Dhira Govinda dasa began to research the subject.
In 1997 Naveen Krsna dasa was serving as GBC Minister of Management and Finance, and had recently completed a stint as GBC Chairman. A devotee sent to Naveen Krsna dasa the “whisper tapes”, and asked that he listen to them. Naveen Krsna dasa, not giving much credence to the possibility that there was validity to the accusations, did not place this high on his priority list. After a few weeks, though, he did listen to these recordings from November 1977, where Srila Prabhupada speaks about being poisoned, and he realized that the issue of the alleged, deliberate poisoning of Srila Prabhupada, is critically significant.
Sometimes it is asked, “Who started these rumors that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned?” Well, Srila Prabhupada started these “rumors”. We place “rumors” in quotes, because this is not tawdry hearsay or gossip, as some would like you to believe. Srila Prabhupada reveals to us this pastime of his departure, and our emphasis is to directly hear from Srila Prabhupada. Below is a link to a video-audio-text presentation, prepared by Truth Labs Forensic Services. At this link you can hear Srila Prabhupada speaking about the homicidal poisoning that was being done to him-
We empathize with those, including members of the GBC, who feel incredulous to the possibility that Srila Prabhupada was criminally poisoned. We were in that same boat. And, as materially conditioned souls, we’re subject and susceptible to be misled and misinformed. And so we encourage you to hear directly from Srila Prabhupada, as he spoke, there in Vrndavana in November 1977, about his disappearance pastime-
We suggest that it is the duty, the responsibility, for every sincere follower of Srila Prabhupada, and particularly for those in positions of leadership in ISKCON, the organization that Srila Prabhupada established, to hear from Srila Prabhupada in regards to his disappearance pastime. With respect to the issue of Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning, let Srila Prabhupada speak for himself.
While we note with appreciation that the GBC EC sent some response, the content of the reply itself, leaves us less than inspired and impressed. They seem adamantly resolved, despite overwhelming evidence, to remain attached and committed to the GBC’s official position, “There is no evidence at this time to support the allegations of poisoning of Srila Prabhupada.”
Certainly we wish that in 1977 members of ISKCON leadership had heeded Srila Prabhupada’s words that he was being poisoned, and that they had acted responsibly. And similarly, in 1997, when the “whisper tapes” were brought to the attention of the worldwide community of devotees, it would have been heartening had the GBC organized and implemented an honest investigation. In 2017, when news of the cadmium findings, as discovered by a leading, highly respected research scientist, emerged, the GBC had yet another opportunity to handle this issue with integrity. And again in 2022, and now again, in 2024.
With their statement, “In this way we can be prepared for a discussion”, the GBC EC seems to continue to insist that Srila Prabhupada’s words, the toxicology reports thus far presented, the confirmed “poison” whispers in the conversations from November 1977, the forensic medical assessment conducted by top experts, and on and on, still don’t constitute reasonable cause to suspect that there was foul play involved in the departure of Srila Prabhupada.
Our wish is that the GBC would show a spirit of cooperation for understanding truths related to the assassination of Srila Prabhupada. It seems to us, though, and we hope we are mistaken about this, that they are determined to continue with tactics of diversion, delay, and disregard.
We will respond to the ISKCON GBC EC, and we are ready to communicate with representatives from the Bhaktivedanta Institute for Higher Studies (BIHS). In this connection we’ll mention that for several months the Executive Director of the BIHS, Brahmatirtha Prabhu (Mr. Bob Cohen), and Dhira Govinda dasa have been in communication, including in-person and correspondence, in connection with the disappearance pastime of Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna.
Hoping this meets you enthused in Krsna consciousness,
Your servants,
Naveen Krsna dasa
Dhira Govinda dasa
[Response from Rupanuga dasa]
I still say now as I said then, after I got the Hindi on the tapes translated by three devotees fluent in Hindi: copies of the these translations should be immediately sent to all of the living Srila Prabhupada disciples, along with the updated forensic evidence regarding the incident.
Official communications with any Iskcon officials will continue to be evasive and unenforceable as in the past decades. They are simply waiting for the issue to literally die out. The three of us, Naveen Krishna, Balavanta das, and myself --originally presented the tapes, wholeheartedly agreed that the tapes clearly indicated Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned, which he himself was questioning verbally in the recording. I believe the quality of the recording device used for recording was underestimated by the speakers, who did not know their whispers were being clearly recorded.
Frankly, I was so used to working in the past with the recorded devotees in GBC and management situations, that I could have identified who it was when someone coughed or cleared their throat.
However, Balavanta, without consulting me, did not choose to convey our considered conclusion, but instead informed the GBC further investigation was needed. The GBC then refused to finance the investigation any further, beyond the original $1500. The GBC had agreed to Balavanta's initial assertion that the allegation required investigation and indicated he could lead the investigation.
I was asked to get the Hindi translated and inserted between the English already on the recording. My late wife typed it in and we were shocked, but convinced of the truth of the fully translated dialogue, which I gave to Naveen and Balavanta, and they agreed with my conclusion after studying it themselves.
I was convinced, at that time, that the majority of Srila Prabhupada's disciples would have concluded that Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned. I proposed that unedited and uninterpreted copies of the dialogue from the tape be distributed to all of them, but this was not done. Times and loyalties have changed so much that now I am uncertain how my Godbrothers and Sisters would respond. Yet, what other way would prove definitive? I do not believe that the present GBC is capable of an honest investigation of the issue. I have also concluded that the just karmic reaction to the incident of Srila Prabhupada's disappearance continues to play out for all involved and that in due time the historical truth will out. Hare Krishna.