Madhu Pandit / Srila Prabhupada Disappearance / KS Samadhi / Ukraine 10 25 25

How to distinguish the genuine guru from fake - unrealized guru within the present Gaudiya Vaishnavism - Cheap gurus including present Iskcon gurus ? 

NOTE : We learn this from Nectar of Devotion Chapter 16 where His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada explains : 

“A devotee who is actually advanced in Krsna consciousness, who is constantly engaged in devotional service, SHOULD NOT MANIFEST HIMSELF, even though he has attained perfection. The idea is that he should always continue to act as a neophyte devotee as long as his material body is there. Activities in devotional service under regulative principles must be followed even by the pure devotee. 

But when he realizes his actual position in relationship with the Lord, he can, along with the discharging of regulative service, think within himself of the Lord, under the guidance of a particular associate of the Lord, and develop his transcendental sentiments in following that associate.” OM TAT SAT. AGTSP. HARE KRISHNA.

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KIRTANANANDA SAMADHI PROJECT

October 25, 2011: On this date in history 14 years ago, one day after Bhaktipada's death at Jupiter Hospital in Thane, India, Radha Vrindaban Chandra Swami, Bhaktipada's greatest sycophant, announces that Bhaktipada’s body will be taken to Vrindaban, the holiest pilgrimage place on earth for Gaudiya-Vaishnavas, although no one knows where in Vrindaban his corpse will be interred.

Bhaktipada’s disciple Sanatan dasa, who lives in an ashram at the Radha Gokulananda Mandir in Vrindaban, suggests that Bhaktipada’s body should be interred there, alongside the samadhis of the great Vaishnava acharyas Lokanath Goswami, Narottama dasa Thakur and Vishvanath Chakravarti Thakur.

Many members and former members of ISKCON—who had knowledge of Bhaktipada’s involvement in the murders of Cakradhari and Sulochan and his long history of sexual abuse of boys and teenagers—were not pleased when they heard that Bhaktipada’s disciples and followers were planning to place his body in "samadhi" at the Radha Gokulananda Mandir.

“To let a battered soul rest is one thing,” says an unnamed devotee in an article published by the online news blog, Vrindaban Today. “But this man, to the very end, never offered a word of apology or explanation to those who suffered due his deeds. And now he is going to be put in samadhi at Radha Gokulananda?! At least the other ISKCON departed are put in graves at their own properties. How will anyone who knows the truth not be disturbed when taking darshan of the great Gaudiya acharyas and seeing his memorial there?”

Bhaktipada’s body--in an ice-filled wooden coffin--is taken on a journey of nearly 1,000 miles: from Thane, to Chatrapati Shivaji International Airport in Mumbai, where it is shipped on a flight to Indira Gandhi International Airport in Delhi, and then driven by truck to Vrindaban. The ice melts.

Bhaktipada’s plywood coffin is refilled with fresh ice and covered with marigold flower garlands, and brought to Radha Gokulananda Mandir, located between Kesi Ghat and the Radha Damodara temple. This is one of the famed seven temples of the Goswamis, founded by Lokanath Goswami, one of the personal associates of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.

Behind the temple is a small house and Bhaktipada’s body is placed in one of the rooms. Here Bhaktipada's disciples and well wishers offer their final respects. The entire Rishikesh Yatra, led by His Holiness Bhakti Yoga Swami, misses the blessed event, due to a mis-communication.

Bhakti Aloka Paramadwaiti Swami (Ulrich Harlan, formerly Alanath Swami, a Prabhupada disciple who left ISKCON in the mid-1980s to join B. R. Sridhar Swami’s math) delivers a eulogy. After Paramadvaiti Swami’s eulogy, devotees cheer and begin kirtan. However, soon their joyful mood darkens considerably when the Radha Gokulananda temple managers inform them that they will not permit Bhaktipada’s body to be buried anywhere within their temple compound.
For more about this topic, see “Gold, Guns and God,” Vol. 10, p. 169.

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RUSSIA RUNNING LOW ON MEN 

(they just lost another 950 men yesterday -- evidently).

Solution? Send in the ladies! These are the people fighting for "family values" mind you! Russia already had millions more females than men BEFORE the war, the war has simply made the situation worse. Some Russian computer tech guys I met in San Francisco said "we are never going back, we intend to remain alive." Good idea! 

As one Russian mother said, "Putin is making Russia into a nation of crying mothers and wives, and crying children who will never see their fathers again." Well yep. A leader who makes the citizens cry, oh I forgot, same thing as ISKCON. 

Anyway, this will help balance all the losses of men, now they will have losses of women too. Sorry, women will get wiped out just as fast as the men. Whole population will be reduced. That will fix everything! Sheesh pilgrims! ys pd 

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ISKM Montreal / Hindus Puzzled / ISKCON Today / Note from Henry 10 24 25

 

PADA: Looks like the ISKM have a small program there and they are doing book distribution and festivals etc. Good progress. We need to have more functioning Prabhupada centers in the Western world. ys pd 

HINDUS ARE PUZZLED

"So here, of course, I am very pleased that the boys and girls who have come to me, they have immediately taken to Kṛṣṇa. But India, although the Bhagavad-gītā is the scripture of Hindus and the Indians, still, they are not so easy to accept Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Because their brain is puzzled. Somebody says that "You worship goddess Kālī." Somebody says that "You worship Lord Śiva." Somebody says, "You worship Brahmā." So mostly, in temples, in, I mean to say, temples which are meant for earning some money, they have got all kinds of deities. In one place there is Lord Śiva, one place there is Goddess Kālī, one place there is Rāmacandra, one place is... Just like store, store. You go to a store, and you'll find all kinds of goods are ready there. Whatever goods you want, you pay price and take. (Prabhupada lecture SB 1.5.15 New Vrindaban, June 19, 1969)"

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Hari Parsada Das:

~ Dealing with Falsifiers ~
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There are many individuals who although initiated in a proper guru-paramparā, spend most of their time trivializing people who do not belong to their choice of groups and sampradāyas. Thus, they constantly deride the gurus, paramparās etc. of others by calling them false.
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These individuals forget the fact that many devotees attained Śrī-Krishna even without aligning themselves to a particular sampradāya. For example, Śrī Jayadeva Gosvāmī, Śrī Caṇḍīdāsa, Śrī Vidyāpati (favorite poets of Mahāprabhu) and many others attained prema in this age of Kali even without being affiliated to a particular sampradāya or group. This does not at all mean that one should not take shelter of a bona-fide sampradāya. In fact, one should always aspire to take shelter of a bona-fide guru in a genuine paramparā.
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At the same time, one should know that the kṛpā (mercy) of bhagavān cannot be tied down to and institutionalized within a particular sampradāya, paramparā or group. The mercy of bhagavān and the ācāryas can easily descend upon anyone who is honest and sincere in their outlook and who gets access to even a single source of bona-fide knowledge and realization. As soon as such mercy descends upon qualified candidates, they show signs of genuine Krishna-prema, thereby silencing the entirety of shallow critics. Here is a newly composed verse centered around the same principle:
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मिथ्याऽऽचार्यपरम्परा तव तथा मिथ्या गुरोर्दीक्षणं
मिथ्या ते हरिभक्तिपद्धतिरहो! मिथ्या मनूनां जपः ।
मिथ्येष्टस्मरणं तवेति वदतश्छिद्रैषिणस्तस्य मे
श्रीकृष्णप्रणयाश्रुलक्ष्मि! कुरुताद्वक्त्रावरुद्धिं सदा ॥
[शार्दूलविक्रीडितम्]
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[Meter: Śārdūla-vikrīḍitam (Same as ṣaḍ-gosvāmy-aṣṭakam)]:
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mithyācārya-paramparā tava tathā mithyā guror dīkṣaṇaṁ
mithyā te hari-bhakti-paddhatir aho! mithyā manūnāṁ japaḥ
mithyeṣṭa-smaraṇaṁ taveti vadataś chidraiṣiṇas tasya me
śrī-kṛṣṇa-praṇayāśru-lakṣmi! kurutād vaktrāvaruddhiṁ sadā
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Translation: "Oh! How sad! Your guru-paramparā is false! The dīkṣā you got from your guru is false! The methodology of Krishna-bhakti you adhere to is false! The japa of mantras that you perform is false! Your remembrance of your most-worshipable deity is false too!".
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The fault-finder keeps uttering these words. O my good fortune in the form of tears of love for Rādhā-Krishna! Please do me a favor and shut his mouth forever.
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— (Composed by Hari Pārṣada Dāsa, 24th October 2025)
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PS: The import is that as soon as genuine signs of prema descend on a deserving sādhaka (practitioner), that prema (and its after-effects in the form of crying for Krishna) is like a powerful lady that shuts the mouth of the false critics forever. 

PADA: Well that is all fine, but the people who are victims of ISKCON's gurus are not crying for Krishna, they are crying because they were banned, beaten, sued, molested and /or their friends were killed by the false guru process. And other false gurus like Sridhara, Narayan, BP Puri and others promoted the GBC's false gurus. So yeah, these are false guru sampradayas and we need to warn people of the dangers of accepting them as bona fide.  

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ISKCON TODAY

Today's American ISKCON temples are primarily composed of Indian-origin people who attend as congregational members rather than as full-time resident devotees, marking a significant demographic shift since the movement's early days.

From Western counterculture to Indian diaspora

When the Hare Krishna movement was founded in the 1960s, its members were almost entirely Westerners, often from the "hippie" counterculture. The founder, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, came to the West to specifically attract non-Indian devotees. However, by the 1990s, the demographics began to reverse.

Several factors led to this transition:

• Immigration: An increase in Indian immigration to the U.S. in the 1970s and 1980s provided a new congregational base for ISKCON temples.

• Cultural familiarity: In the absence of established Hindu temples, many immigrants found ISKCON to be a culturally familiar space where they could connect with their traditions. ISKCON's strict adherence to Indian cultural standards for worship, dress, and music made it feel like a "cultural home" for the diaspora.

• A "home away from home:” Temples became a central hub for Indian families to recreate their religion, culture, and ethnicity for themselves and their children. ISKCON leaders actively wove Indian traditions into modern life to provide a home for the diaspora.

Shift from resident to congregational membership

This demographic change coincided with a shift away from a resident-based lifestyle to a congregational one.

• Early years: In the 1970s, more than 90% of followers lived in the temples.

• Today: More than 90% of followers live outside the temples, supporting themselves with jobs in the "outside world.”

The new congregational members, who are largely Indian-American, have a different level of commitment than full-time resident devotees.

• Cultural commitment: They attend temple services as a way to preserve their cultural heritage, not necessarily to become initiated members with the accompanying ritual and behavioral commitments.

• Influence and support: Despite this, congregational members are the financial lifeblood of the temples and often serve as advisors to temple boards, holding significant influence.

International vs. "Indian Hindu" movement

This demographic shift has raised concerns among some long-time devotees. Some argue that because ISKCON temples are no longer dominated by Western converts, the movement is at risk of being perceived as an "Indian Hindu Movement" rather than the International Society for Krishna Consciousness it was intended to be.

American ISKCON temples today are predominantly composed of people of Indian origin, many of whom attend as part of their cultural heritage, representing a significant demographic shift since the movement's early days. Full-time resident devotees, who were once the majority of ISKCON's membership, are now a much smaller percentage of the total temple population.

Demographic changes over time

• From Western counterculture to Indian diaspora: When ISKCON first emerged in the 1960s, its members were primarily Western converts, many of them drawn from the hippie and counterculture movements. However, beginning in the 1970s, an influx of Indian immigrants seeking to maintain their religious and cultural ties in a new country led to a gradual demographic shift.

• Cultural sanctuary for immigrants: Indian immigrants sought out ISKCON temples as a familiar "cultural home" where they could connect with fellow Indians and participate in authentic cultural and religious practices. Temples responded by intentionally weaving Indian traditions into their modern life, offering a sense of connection to the motherland.

• Indian immigrants become the majority: By the 1990s, Indian immigrants had become a significant, and often the majority, presence in North American ISKCON temples, particularly at weekend services and large holidays.
Shift from residential to congregational membership

• Shift from temple residents to householders: In the 1970s, more than 90% of followers lived in ISKCON temples. By the 1990s, the movement saw a major transition toward congregational membership, with the vast majority of members living outside of temples as householders.

• Householders and cultural practice: This new wave of congregational members, mainly of Indian descent, often see their attendance as a way to engage with their cultural background rather than dedicating themselves to full-time monastic life. While they are often the primary financial contributors, many have little interest in becoming initiated members with deep ritual commitments.

Current state of ISKCON

• Mixed attendance at temples: Today, it is common to see a mix of older Western converts and younger Indian-origin individuals at American ISKCON temples. However, the sheer number of Indian-origin attendees, particularly at weekend events, means they often make up the majority of the congregation.

• Growth in centers: According to ISKCON, the number of centers and congregational members continues to grow. This growth is largely driven by the Indian diaspora.

• Debate over the future: This demographic change has led to internal debate over ISKCON's future. While some see the Indian influx as a sign of successful expansion, others worry that the movement is becoming perceived as an exclusively Indian-Hindu organization rather than the international movement it was founded to be.

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Henry Doktorski:

PADA: Yeah ironically, the biggest critics of Henry Doktorski are the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Mathura Pati type people. They are crying because PADA is not supporting their idea -- of promoting the cheer leaders of the Radhanath lover's club and the writings of Bhavananda's bucket boy Hari Sauri. 

Whereas Henry is exposing Radhanath as a co-conspirator in the Sulochana murder. So the HKC folks are promoting the cheer leaders of Radhanath, while Henry is exposing Radhanath. Henry has his faults, ok, but at least he is exposing who assisted the murder of a Vaishnava named Sulochana, and who was our main assistant. 

That needs to be done for historical reasons, and he is the main person who has recorded it. Of course, these HKC Jaipur guys also complain me and Sulochana are bogus sahajiyas, citing their hero messiah's club of Kirtanananda. They just cannot free themselves of being in that club. Henry has left that club, and they should as well. Yep, us bogus gopi sahajiyas had to expose the pedo guru club, no wonder they are upset.   

  

 ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

Oh man, PADA is not joining the Radhanath cheer leader's club!

Forsooth!

ISKCON's DIKSHA guru problems -- Banu swami vs PADA (VIDEO)

Future Destination of ISKCON Leaders? / NND: Books and other changes

FATE OF ISKCON CHILD ABUSERS?

KSD:

While survivors of child abuse wait for justice, here is some inevitable justice established by the one and only Bhagawan Sri Krishna 🙏🏽

Happy Diwali

According to the traditional Vedic and Puranic shastras, sexual abuse—especially of children — is considered among the most heinous acts imaginable. Such behavior violates dharma, causes deep harm to innocent beings, and incurs the most severe karmic and spiritual consequences.

Let’s look at this from authentic sources and their commentaries.

1. Scriptural Basis — Sin Against the Helpless (Bāla-himsā)

The Manu-samhita (8.270–271) states:

“He who commits violence against women, children, elders, or dependents out of lust, anger, or greed will fall into the most dreadful hells, tormented for as many years as there are hairs on the bodies of those he harmed.”

Here, bāla-himsā (violence or harm to a child) is explicitly named as one of the most grievous sins.

2. Garuda Purāṇa – Punishment in the Next Life

The Garuda Purana (Preta-khanda), which describes the journey of the soul after death, speaks of specific hells (narakas) for those who violate chastity and cause suffering to the innocent.

Raurava and Mahāraurava: Souls who caused agony to the helpless are sent here to be devoured by serpents and beasts born of their own cruelty.

Taptasurmi and Vaitarani: Those who engage in sexual sins — especially involving exploitation or violence — are burned and torn repeatedly by red-hot iron instruments, symbolic of the burning lust and pain they inflicted.

Garuda Purana (2.40–42) says:

“Those who defile the innocent and pure shall dwell in Taptasurmi, burning endlessly, as their own actions assume form and torment them.”

SFD: Another issue that is rarely talked about, this benevolent, optimistic  preaching -- in essence -- reminding predators of high philosophy. What is the use of quoting sastra to such creatures who by their behavior prove that they do not believe in shastra?

To the kind of person that is capable of violating the child? What can get through to evil human - looking beings who act entitled to use a child as an object of gratification? Using the most innocent for enacting whatever their most perverted base urges and malevolent fantasies might be?

Often such active predators spend their long life living as if truly above the law.
Even when such monsters are caught and try to pass it as ISKCON's infamous "accidental fall down"; rarely is this one isolated event. It is more likely that by the time they are caught the first time, they are already skilled serial rapists and child molesters - who practiced their craft for decades.

Unles they very young it is not "one isolated incident" or "Maya / demons made me do it." Those demonic, abominable actions are clear display, material evidence, of what such predators really believe in.

CH: Very good point. All sex offenders & those who support them try to use scripture to excuse the abominable perverted acts on innocent even underage children, boys and girls, plus teenagers or young devotees who are vulnerable.

BB: This is called Veda Vada rata, using scriptures to justify false acharyas. They are going to the most obnoxious regions ...  

PADA: Yep, they WILL CERTAINLY have to suffer many years in hell for every hair on the bodies of their victims. The GBC guys banned thousands of people, many of whom ended up suffering, taking drugs, drinking -- and dying with no help and support -- often in A LOT of suffering. They had some people beaten up, like Kulashekar, who told me he was in pain for the rest of his life, and then he died early. 

They had thousands of kids abused in horrific ways. And they had some of us dissenters murdered. Overall, they caused horrific suffering to thousands and thousands of Vaishnavas, and destroyed Lord Chaitanyas' movement, causing millions and millions of people to reject the religion. 

Will they have to go to hell -- despite being Vaishnavas? Umm, wait, we would say -- they are not Vaishnavas. They are -- as some victims told me -- Satanic child sacrifice cult leader evil beings -- from the lower regions. And they will just go back there. 

In sum, they will have to suffer many years in hell for every hair on the bodies of their victims, and since their victims are mostly Krishna's personal family of devotees, they will get double and triple the jail time. The biggest mistake going on now is -- to assume these people are Vaishnavas, when they are not. Neither will they deserve a Vaishnava's future destination. 

Yep, I believe they are going to hell and for a long duration. I know some ex-children victims who told me, -- every day we pray these people will all die, leave the Earth, and lessen the giant burden they are on mother Earth. They all belong on the hell planets and we can barely wait for them to get there. Well yep.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

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NND: BOOKS AND OTHER CHANGES

The current Iskcon movement has changed Prabhupada’s timeless books and his eternal messages to promote their fake guru cults. It is actually a cancer spreading out of control with the current Iskcon gurus dying and perpetrating their mental concoction to mislead their current and future followers through their deceptive wills.

This is a great sin against Srila Prabhupad and his disciples that carefully follow him in his vani incarnation. Most of his disciples have been banished because of their opposition to the blasphemy they hear from their so called fake guru godbrother’s.

These Iskcon leaders are busy building their guru business for easy living and are their misleading preaching is due to false ego motives. These Iskcon gurus are showing their sinister plots especially in death, which arouses sympathy in their fellow bogus gurus and their own cult followers. 

Just study the deception propaganda that is being broadcast on social media. Listen carefully! It’s a big deal, as we are witnessing in the number of followers that are sentimentally deceived during these samadhi ceremonies.

Yes deceived with propaganda preaching. Totally misleading behavior perpetrated by the leaders in Iskcon like the Italian mafia. We can call it the Iskcon mafia.
Buyer beware of fraudulent preachers in pink robes impersonating diksa gurus in the movement of Lord Chaitanya.

Srila Prabhupada says, "No I am not above suspicion, but I am carrying the message which is above suspicion. Therefore I am above suspicion.''............
Prabhupada: Just like there is an English proverb, "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion." So anyone who is on the position of teacher, he must be above suspicion.

That is our first acceptance of teacher. We don't accept any teacher who is under suspicion. How he can be teacher if he's under suspicion?

Now they may question that if you are above suspicion. "No, I am not above suspicion, but I am carrying the message which is above suspicion. Therefore I am above suspicion." The peon delivering you four hundred dollars, he is not rich man but he is actually delivering four hundred dollars. That is our position.

I may be rascal, it doesn't matter, but because I am carrying the message which is not rascal, therefore I am fit. We don't say anything rascaldom because we don't say anything which is not spoken by Krsna or by authorities like Vyasadeva. That is our position.

Don't teach anyone else, except what Krsna teaches. Krsna says, "Surrender unto Me." We say, "Surrender unto Krsna." Just like Syamasundara's daughter, she says, "Do you know Krsna?" "No, I don't know." She may be child, but the message she is delivering is perfect. The message she is delivering, that is perfect. She says, "Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead." Now the child may [not] be perfect, that's all right, but the message she is giving, it is perfect.
So there is no suspicion about the message. That message is above suspicion. So our position is: you don't change it.

The Iskcon gbc and their gurus have changed everything Prabhupada gave us!
Ref. VedaBase - Hegel (Dialectic Spiritualism)

Questions on Banu Swami / Letter from Vrndavana 10 21 25

RE: BANU SWAMI

PADA: Thanks BB prabhu, yep Banu swami is simply trying to make up excuses for all of his program's mis-behavior. He is a GBC apologist. And he is not initiating people himself, until the GBC writes a position paper to define the role of their diksha gurus. Yes. They are gurus, but they have no idea what is a guru? 

The only thing they know for sure, they are authorized to have Vaishnavas banned, beat, molested, sued and shot to death. That is the only clear or practical application part of their doctrine. Yeah, he probably knows Radhanath was glorifying Sulochana's murderer. How could he not know? 

Srila Prabhupada says whoever checks the progress or activity of a Vaishnava is going to hell, never mind wholesale banning, beating, suing, molesting and killing them. Of course Banu forgets that there is no one here in SF Bay to even read his official GBC papers, if they ever even make one, since the temples are empty and none of the Hindus who come on Sunday have ever read any GBC papers, they don't care. 

A friend of PADA says he regularly smokes pot with four ex-ISKCON Prabhupada disciples, ok they don't care if the GBC writes another document, it has no meaning to almost anyone. They have cried wolf way too many times. 

Meanwhile a friend of mine was asking Mukunda swami about previous statements in their previous papers, and Mukunda said he was not aware of these statements -- i.e. they do not even read their own papers, nevermind others.    

But you are right, he does not tell us what that paper should say? That means he needs to consult with the other members of their homosexual and pedophile messiah's club to figure all this out, he cannot figure it out on his own. He is dependent on people who bury homosexuals and pedophiles in samadhi like Radhanath to make any conclusion. That means he is not independent, he has to wait for the homosexual and pedophile messiah lover's club to make a decision, and he will join them. 

Your next question: Does he not know that a homosexual and pedophile guru program that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas is not authorized? I think he knows very well, he is a very intelligent guy. I think he is very aware of what his program is all about. 

The reason he defends it? Good question. I think the only rational explanation is, he is part of their agenda. And that is why he is their star scholar apologist. But yeah you are right, as soon as Banu says they are only postal peons, but then the job of their God's alleged postal peons is to ban, beat, molest, sue and kill Vaishnavas, makes no sense whatever. 

The humble peons of God and -- the molester messiah's project -- that rapes children "industrial scale" and kills the people who object. How are they God's peons? This is really amazing that he does not even know what is God's peon. Or he knows, and he wants to pervert the whole meaning for sinister reasons.  

Does he not know this makes no sense? I would say yes, he is just trying to fool the few fools they have left remaining. Everyone else knows God's postal peon is not making homosexuals and pedophiles into messiahs who ban, beat, molest, sue and kill God's devotees. Yep, I think he knows that too, which means yep, he is scamming people. OK I would say yes, he is intentionally lying to defend the club, which he has done all along. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

Re: A LETTER FROM VRINDAVANA

Dear Prabhus,

Humble obeisances to all you precious Vaishnavas. A member who attended the recent gala festivities in Vrindavana has written to convey some thoughts on the state of ISKCON today. On one hand, the Hare Krishna Movement is a successful world-wide phenomenon. This all due to the Shrila Prabhupada’s strictly adhering to the pure message of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Yet, it is no secret that real leadership in ISKCON is sorely lacking today. Here are our member’s thoughts …

Where Are the Leaders?

This year (2025), I attended the 50th anniversary of the Shri Krishna-Balarama ISKCON center at Raman-Reti, Vrindavana. It was indeed very blissful to be among three generations of devotees engaged in spiritual activities. We had all come together to celebrate how Krishna consciousness has spread all over the world in the past half century, by the incredible spiritual potency of His Divine Grace Shrila Prabhupada.

Yet, among the congregation of blissful bhaktas, the absence of many of the so-called leaders of the Hare Krishna Movement was an obvious sore point. While the majority of GBC and swamis were a no-show, the devotees in attendance—the ones that the GBC and swamis consider their rank-and-filers—were blissfully on their own. 

This is a great irony because when they die, ISKCON’s so-called leaders hanker for their own samadhi tombs in Vrindavana, yet when the opportunity arises for them to come to the dhama alive and in the flesh, they are nowhere to be seen. Here in Vrindavana, there are tombs of past ISKCON gurus that include a vicious child molester, a drunkard, a mundane humanitarian, a pornography addict, a woman.

Aren’t samadhis intended for genuine renunciants, or has the GBC turned the land of Krishna into a graveyard for their shudra cronies?

I made a few inquiries about why so few “leaders” showed up for the celebration. The answer I received most often is that they are afraid to face a congregation of elder devotees—their own Godbrothers and Godsisters. Why would these guilt-ridden personalities be afraid of being judged by whatever few Prabhupada disciples remain alive? 

After all, nearly all of Srila Prabhupada’s initiates were basically thrown out of ISKCON by the GBC during their infamous zone-a-phile storm trooper era. Thousands of them were sent off to die in some forgotten and lonely isolation. Basically, the disciples that remained in ISKCON had the benefit of some cushy position. The payment and perks-wallas.

The GBC is still chained to a bleak period of ISKCON history when imitation “Prabhupadas” overthrew common sense and claimed to be “successor acharyas.” There has never been any serious atonement on their part, except for a few flaccid “Dear John emails” saying, “Sorry about that, folks.” 

In short, any member of the GBC, or any guru, or any minister rubber-stamped by them, remains ball-and-chain attached to a gurgling cesspool of rotten karma for which there has never been proper prayaschitta by ISKCON leadership.

Anyone who joins a gang or criminal organization immediately becomes susceptible to, and liable for, the group’s bad karma. The predictable GBC response to their past sins that still sits like dust under their carpet has always been secrecy and seclusion. They hide themselves away in their regular meetings in fear that the dust they created might make itself known. 

And they make reams and of important resolutions, every year adding numbers of committees that no one cares about, and position papers that no one even reads, even they don't know what most of their resolutions stated, or why. Meanwhile the numbers of GBC is diminishing more all the time as their members leave, bloop, retire, and die off. And they cannot find suitable replacements, because almost no one wants to be in their club.

They are like a secret society that bands behind a smokescreen of joyful-sounding interfaith rubbish meant to placate the ignorant public and keep genuine thinkers at bay. Disinformation is the function of their blubbering old mouthpiece, Rukmini’s husband Anuttama dasa, and their smoke-and-mirrors website ISKCON “News.” News that no one cares about, temples that people no longer go to, GBC pontificating statements -- no one listens to.  

Meanwhile dozens and dozens of encyclopedic volumes, media articles, books, films, and television shows -- are being produced in wave after wave all the time -- not only by disenfranchised devotees, but also by scholars, media and others. All this and more has emerged explaining in no couched terms the real function of GBC and cohorts, which is evidently, hiding crimes.

Prabhupada repeatedly mentioned that after the disappearance of the acharya, many malicious predators appear who throw his sacred works into chaos. Dressed in the finery of a paramhamsa, Kali himself invades and pollutes the holy atmosphere that the bona fide spiritual master created with his blood, sweat and tears. Adorned with saffron cloth and false symbols of spiritual realization, Kali’s cohorts illegally climb upon the holy seat of the pure devotee to destroy genuine Krishna consciousness. 

Then, once they are ensconced in a smoky aura of presumed sanctity, Kali and his sinister agents proceed to make a mockery out of true devotional service by funneling the worship intended for the guru parampara onto themselves. Thus, the predators accumulate temple funds and utilize their ill-gotten gains for their own selfish, sensual gratification. 

The predator’s free enjoyment—which the unfortunate rank-and-file has paid for—takes the form of illicit sexual intercourse, gold watches, luxury apartments, bungalows, health retreats, rich cuisine, and free servants who carry out his every wish. Such exploitative behavior has been displayed so openly, and with such predictable frequency by ISKCON’s callous GBC, that their zombified following think being exploited by them is business as usual. However, becoming a member of ISKCON should not mean that an innocent seeker should become a servile victim of Stockholm syndrome.

Considering all these factors, it is no wonder that ISKCON’s “leaders” did not show their faces for the festivities. Their show-bottle guru pretension can no longer be hidden. Literally, thousands of members of ISKCON’s are clamoring for restoration to the way that Prabhupada designed his movement. Even if the awakening devotees are too polite to directly confront the guru hijackers and the GBC’s rubber stampees, the clownish imitation acharyas know exactly what everyone thinks of their behavior. 

Hence, ISKCON’s leadership chose to hide out in their private castles, rather than face the sidelong glances of disgust from their peers.

It seems that the leaders of today’s ISKCON would prefer to show their faces at their church-like social events they call “sadhu sangas,” where they can exert some control. At such parties, ISKCON’s gurus know they will get the worship they crave from their automatons, because expensive tickets are sold at the door. This tactic conveniently serves as a simple means of excluding any vile critics. 

Instead, only a parade of cult-blinded fans flush with cash will pour in and occupy their spot on the folding chairs. They sit like zombies before the rock-star stage from which sahajiya kirtans and harangues by the likes of Radhanath or other compliant swamis conveniently packaged and branded as “nectar” are the order of the day.

At the Krishna-Balarama 50th festival, as I chanted my daily quota of rounds at Shrila Prabhupada’s samadhi, it was almost as if I could hear the thoughts of His Divine Grace emanating from the shrine. Was it my imagination, or was I hearing the Founder-Acharya? Some of the thought that came to me were:

-- “How could the GBC have allowed illegal changes to the books? And how could they have spent millions of dollars to hide the originals and list Shrila Prabhupada as their “worker for hire,” after changing the BBT from a trust to the BBT(I) corporation? When will they come to their senses and restore the books back to the original way?”

-How could men who pose as successor acharyas become rapists of children as soon as no one was looking? And even after the guru and swami pedophiles bankrupted ISKCON in the Turley Lawsuit, how is that child molestation was still allowed to continue in ISKCON gurukulas for decades?

-How is it that thousands of worthy preacher-disciples were kicked out of the ashrams after they had given up their very lives to the spiritual master? Why were so many devotees either removed, beaten, or even killed, to keep them from exposing the truth about GBC corruption? 

-- Why was Pradyumna Panditji removed as the translator of the ongoing Bhagavatam project in favor of a bag of hot wind who thinks he is a holy teacher with a college degree?

-When will the “millionaire swamis” give up their huge bank balances and learn to rely on Krishna alone?

-Why is the GBC allowing Kali-yuga Mayavadi “swamis” to be glorified in books written by a GBC member to be sold in over a dozen languages in ISKCON centers? Why is the GBC publishing a book about the Bible’s Old Testament? Do not Bhagavad-gita As It Is and Srimad-Bhagavatam have enough information? Did not Prabhupada state, “I have given you everything”?

-When will the GBC take to heart Prabhupada’s repeated pleas about becoming humble servants of Krishna’s servants.

-When will ISKCON’s overly-agreeable swamis stop initiating Hindu professionals who flatter them, and who purchase their initiations with large bribes (errr…“donations”)? 

-- When will ISKCON’s swamis insist that their Hindu initiates should know the ABC’s about preaching to everyone they meet (or at those they work with) instead of merely inviting other Hindus for dinner in a ruse of “bhakti-vriksha”? Greedy ISKCON swamis have thus made a Mayavadic mishmash out of the once-strict Gaudiya Vaishnava principles that ISKCON was meant to stand for?

-- Mission drift has taken the ISKCON ship thousands of miles off course into very dangerous and uncharted waters of Mayavada. 

-- When will ISKCON stop conforming and compromising with mundane so-called “religions”? 

--- When will the GBC stop wholesaling the Hare Krishna Movement as a Hindu organization in order to attract cheap followers along with their donations? 

-- When will ISKCON stop paying salaries to Indian pujaris and “devotees”? 

-- When will Bhaktivedanta Manor become a place of genuine devotional service again, instead of a Hinduized business?

In short, although I found the 50th anniversary celebration at ISKCON Vrindavana blissful, I have returned home sadder but wiser. Since it is well known that ISKCON’s GBC members clandestinely read the messages from the A.I.S.F., I am hoping that they will consider these thoughts and bring the society they pretend to lead back on track again, because an objective look at ISKCON management reveals a cesspool of corruption.

Your servant, (Name withheld)

ISKCON's Banu Swami: Listening to Srila Prabhupada is Bogus Ritvik Idea 10 20 25

bhanu.swami@pamho.net

PADA: Banu Swami now claims that the reason the ritviks are bogus is because -- they have people listen to Srila Prabhupada's gayatri tape, and the ritviks are not getting gayatri from the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children / homosexual and pedophile / guru parampara. In other words, Banu is very worried people will be listening to the voice of a pure devotee -- and not his pedophile messiah's club's voices. In short, Banu is saying -- listening to Srila Prabhupada's tape is a deviation and is verbotten. 

How can Banu's program keep having people come to Vrndavana to worship their pedophile samadhi's club, if they are worshiping the ACTUAL pure devotee's samadhi instead? This is very worrisome for Banu's pedophile's samadhi group, there will be people drifting off to worship a pure devotee and that would harm their sexual predators of minors samadhi's program.

This is very unfortunately their whole platform, do not listen to the pure devotee, you will become contaminated, you must listen to the deviated parampara's folks exclusively. Then you will really be contaminated!

Well at least Banu admits -- he thinks listening to tapes of pure devotees -- and not his illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara of debauchees -- is a serious deviation. Of course, the Banu program is famous for saying -- worship of the pure devotee is "the bogus Christian ritvik idea" because -- same thing, the Christians don't worship pedophiles and predators as their messiahs. 

Worse, Banu's program will spend $20,000,000 suing anyone who worships a pure devotee, and they will hire lawyers to shut down a child protection forum on Facebook. Anyone who wants to stop children from worshiping predators must be stopped by Banu's program! Of course the Banu program already tried to stop me and Sulochana with .45 slugs. 

Banu Swami is still promoting the idea that a conditioned soul can give diksha, and absorb sins like Jesus. Nope. Srila Prabhupada says only an uttama has the brahmana tejyas which can burn off sins. And anyone else who attempts to take sins will become contaminated, and indeed Srila Prabhupada says these false gurus will eventually become degraded. Worse, these false gurus are destined for the most obnoxious regions. And so are the followers.

Banu's GBC folks wrote a "Parallel Line of Authority" paper where they essentially said -- both tracks are bona fide: Srila Prabhupada is one track, and their homosexual, pedophile, intoxicated, debauchee, porno swami, machine gun swami et al. -- guru process -- is the other track, and both are equal and parallel. 

Really? That means Banu does not have a clue that a pure devotee's guru line and a debauchee's line are not equal and parallel. Where does Srila Prabhupada say worshiping Banu's illicit sex with men, women and children guru system is the same as worshiping Krishna's guru system? He is just making things up as he goes along. None of this is EVER stated anywhere in shastra.

Umm wait, one track on the Banu guru process goes to heaven, one track goes to hell, good question, how are they equal? Even any average hamburger eating person knows, worshiping Jesus is probably a good idea, whereas worshiping the town drunk who is chasing skirts -- ok not such a good idea. Banu does not even know what the hamburger people know by now? There is no parallel anything here. What are they even talking about, less than kanisthas are to be juxtaposed with uttama devotees as parallel.

Now Banu is saying we are mainly a shiksha line, which is also like the ritvik idea, where neophytes are acting as agents or postmen for the acharyas. Sounds good! Oooops! Unfortunately, as soon as ISKCON finds out people are promoting the idea of neophytes acting as agents for the acharyas (or ritviks), and not promoting conditioned souls -- if not debauchees -- as Jesus-like diksha gurus, they are banned, beaten, sued and sometimes killed. 

Meanwhile, most of the maybe over 100 gurus the Banu GBC has made -- have got very sick, fallen down, and many died prematurely from taking sins and committing offenses. Banu has been encouraging these deviated neophytes to take sins, so he is part responsible for making them suffer and fall down. And create all sorts of chaos in the process. And the followers do not get their sins resolved. OK all this is called cheating.

Every day the ISKCON temples chant the samsara prayers to the guru, which in Banu Swami's ISKCON includes: persons engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children; homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, drug addicts, porno swamis etc. This is the program Banu swami says is acting as an electrical conduit to Krishna? 

We think -- not so much. He has no idea what is a bona fide connection to Krishna and what is not. How can we say an uttama is a conduit to Krishna, and so is a drunken womanizing guru parampara also a conduit? Where is any of this stated in shastra? Banu just ad hoc makes up stuff one after the next. 

A guru program full of deviants is not connecting anyone to God, and that is why Banu swami gets "voted in as guru" into the GBC system in 1990, just when we are suing his "conduit to Krishna" program for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse. He thinks this is all valid and authorized evidently. In 1990 he should have joined us and said hey, all this child starving, beating and raping program is -- not only bogus but dangerous. Instead, he becomes the star scholarly defender of their program.

He says the GBC now needs to write another "guru position paper" to correct its previous bogus position on guru. You mean -- gurus are deviating left, right and center, and then have to sit around and write bogus position papers on what is bona fide behavior for gurus? And the previous paper is bogus and needs to be corrected, because gurus write bogus documents. They are gurus, therefore, what they write is -- bogus -- and needs re-dos over and over. Why is Banu establishing that the guru's writings are -- faulty and bogus?

They are gurus and they do not even know what a guru is? 

Then Banu swami says we should see the GBC gurus as Madhyam gurus. Maybe. But Srila Prabhupada says that the Madhyam can fail and become an asura, so the Madhyam should not be taken as a liberated soul. He says a sadhana bhakta is a type of uttama, no -- because he does not have the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins. Of course now we are mixing Vodka and illicit sex gurus with Madhyam, which is another classic GBC bait and switch mistake. There is no connection here.

Nor does the Madhyam have prema, so he cannot give prema. Banu merges all this together with no clarity. "We are all postmen and so is Srila Prabhupada," he claims. You mean, Banu's guru people who are drinking Vodka and having sex with half dozen women -- are on the same postmen plane as Srila Prabhupada? 

He is conflating / telescoping / and confusing these terms. Banu says any persons giving instructions are a type of guru, yes that is called shiksha guru aka the agent or ritvik system. That means he cannot claim to be a liberating sin absorbing uttama guru. 

Meanwhile Srila Prabhupada says we cannot offer bhogha to conditioned souls, but this is done all the time in Banu's ISKCON. That is why Jadurani said they have become a bhogha eating society. Banu is a big scholar, who has never even understood the difference between bhogha and prasadam. 

Then again, offering bhogha to illicit sex deviants contaminates the food with a debauchee beeja, which explains why there are so many scandals, if not violence against women and children, going on all the time with the Banu program's followers. Yep, another female victim who exposed her abuse is now getting DEATH THREATS from the Banu program's followers. These people are lower than animals and this is -- a conduit to Krishna?

Banu keeps trying to say that the Madhyam is qualified to give diksha and absorb sins like Jesus, but this was never stated by Srila Prabhupada. Moreover, it looks like many of his alleged Madhyam diksha gurus are falling into abominable behaviors, which means they are not even lower level kanisthas. 

Banu just merges all this around without making it clear, people who are engaged in abominable behaviors are less than kanisthas, and are thus not authorized to even become temple bhakta program residents. They should not even be allowed to live in a temple. 

But nope, they are guru postmen too? How it possible that less than kanisthas should be claiming to be taking sins like Jesus, and be God's postman? And now Guru Prasad is arguing that Giriraj's getting oral sex from a female disciple is because he went senile. No, he went back to what he always was, a lusty conditioned soul. He was never a guru.

Banu swami says other guru paramparas, like the Madhavas, consider Madhva to be the deliverer, not the local village guru. But the ritviks are bogus, because they consider Srila Prabhupada to be the deliverer. Oh wait, I forgot, Banu has people eating bhogha offered to his homosexual and pedophile sampradaya, which will deliver the followers but -- to hell. Srila Prabhupada told me personally, if we change his bhogha offering system IT WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED by Krishna. 

Banu does not even know what prasadam is or is not. But then again, there may be a reason he wants people to eat his homosexual and pedophile beeja contaminated food, so he can pollute the ISKCON society.

Banu has no idea what it means to worship a deliverer acharya. He says the other sampradayas can do that, but we cannot or we will be bogus ritviks. Well yup, how will Banu's program get people to worship those voted into their pedo and porno sampradaya if they worship Srila Prabhupada as their deliverer? 

Basically, his whole lecture is full of contradictions. We can worship pure devotees as the deliverer, that is bona fide, except -- anyone who worships Srila Prabhupada is a bogus ritvik -- because then they are not worshiping the GBC's homosexual and pedophile samadhi parampara. And they should be sued for $20,000,000 to stop them from worshiping Srila Prabupada. That means he is arguing with his own shadow. 

Anyway there you have it, anyone who listens to a tape of Srila Prabhupada is bogus, because they are not listening to tapes of Banu's illicit sex with men, women and children guru process. Told ya! The only good news is, someone asked him, isn't his postal peon idea the ritvik idea? The bad news is, he answers by saying it is bogus to listen to a tape of a pure devotee. 

We have to listen to the tapes of deviant people in Banu's homosexual and pedophile samadhi program if we want to be delivered, and we will be delivered, to hell. Banu says it will take 20 years to fix ISKCON. Nope, in 20 years the temples will be all owned and managed by Hindus, and there will be no GBC managed ISKCON. The GBC is handing over ISKCON to the Hindus, whom Srila Prabhupada says, are hodge podge, and maybe 50% of them eat meat etc. Banu's program does not want ISKCON to be fixed, they want it to go full Hindu, and it is.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com  

Banu's program is still promoting their best star child abuser on their calendar. Naturally, victims of Banu's program have been infuriated with this calendar, for good reason. It does seem like the Banu program is always trying to poke a stick in the eyes of their victims, and this is being done constantly and consciously. Why is the Banu program always doing this -- to pour vinegar into the wounds of their victims? One victim told me "these people are sadistic and evil monsters, just like the people they advertise on their calendar." Well yep. ys pd

Nandini Writes PADA / RE: Monkey On A Stick 10 19 25

Haribol Puranjana Prabhu,


Thanks for sending your review of the movie. You asked me to feel free to comment. First of all, a 100 minute movie cannot expose all the motives and scandals of ISKCON. We would need at least ten episodes. Also, making a movie is worse than writing a book. When we write a book, we can rewrite a sentence. But when we make a movie, we work with the footage we have.

PADA: OK well the whole issue since 1978 is -- what did Srila Prabhupada actually order? That is the issue that Sulochana focused on, that these 11 gurus had not been appointed as gurus. Because making mundane men into gurus caused most of the other problems. That is the root problem. 

But the movie goes to hear from the leaders of the bogus appointed guru program, which demonized Sulochana to set up his murder, and gives them most of the 100 minutes real estate. They also did not work with the footage they had, most or almost all of mine was deleted. 

As soon as Sulochana came out with the bogus appointment tape, he was assassinated. In other words, Sulochana was exposing the false 11 gurus, and that is why he was taken out, and I was almost taken out. And I would have been taken out -- without help from the FEDS. 

I was telling Mukunda some of this at a Sunday feast and he changed the topic and asked me "how are the samosas"? OK he was making a joke when the topic is banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating people. He thinks his program is a comedy show, and he still does.

Thus, the whole reason why Sulochana was murdered was not clear in the movie, and offering all the bumbling statements from Hrdayananda, Bhagavan and others did not even mention the root cause issue. Sulochana was murdered because he was challenging what he called "the big lie." Nobody seems to know what the big lie he was fighting is -- from the movie -- or from Subhananda's words in the movie etc. Sulochana's entire cause celebre was not made clear.

These guru gurus are often saying "we only followed Prabhupada's orders to be gurus" starting from 1978, and they still say that now. And that was a lie and that is the entire reason Sulochana and me were targets. That could have been mentioned somewhere in the 100 minutes, why was this person murdered? The movie does not follow the book, Bhagavan, Hrdayananda, Subhananda, and yourself and others are barely or not even in the book.

What was Sulochana saying that made him such a threat to the leaders? Instead, much of the 100 minutes real estate was given to the very self same false appointed guru leaders, who were demonizing us. Clearly they got much more video time than me. Again, these guys were not even hardly mentioned in the book. 

Two flaws that kinda bother me: we used footage of Jacob Young saying something to the effect, The Swami found an abandoned building with a sign that said Matchless Gifts. We all know the place was empty because it was up for rent. Prabhupada rented the storefront shop and an apartment upstairs in the back of the apartment complex. I went there once, and the man living in Prabhupada's apartment invited us in and gave us a tour.

PADA: OK this is a detail that hardly no one else actually cares about. Just like many other details were presented that had nothing to do with the actual story -- the monkey who was killed and on a stick.

The other movie flaw that bothers me is the drug smuggling segment, we used footage where author John Hubner says the devotees wore dhotis and chanted on their beads when they went through customs in Pakistan. That's just not true, and would be dangerous. In reality, they wore business suits.

PADA: Again, the gurus were up to their necks in all sorts of illegal and / or fraud businesses, including drug businesses. They were having devotees collect money for "Mother of Mary's Home for the Blind," which did not exist, and that was tape recorded by Federal agents. 

And that is why they were busted by the Syracuse Federal court in 1980 for massive fraud. Again, has nothing to do with the reason Sulochana was offed. And it is not important to me which guys did what illegal business. 

All of them were colluding to make a vast variety illegal businesses. Which one was doing which, and which one was busted for what, is not that important to me. Again, not mentioning why Sulochana was murdered is the thing that bothers me and many others. Yeah the gurus were making illegal business, because their whole claim to being a guru was illegal. The root was not exposed.  

The movie is based on the book, Monkey on a Stick, and we did our best to follow the book. The book begins with burying Chakradhari. The movie begins there. We covered the drug smugglers as John Hubner and Lindsey Gruson wrote about it in their book. Also mixed in was my point of view because I worked in the PR office during those years, and wrote a book about it.

PADA: No, the people being given most of the 100 minutes were not in the book. The fact that Chakradhari, and Sulochana, were exposing Kirtanananda's erotic behavior with boys is not emphasized in the movie either.

Yeah, but I told the movie guys the book was not totally accurate and also was not telling the actual reason Sulochana was offed. The book was defective in various ways and I told them that. But the main people who spoke for a long time were Bhagavan and Hrdayananda, again -- they were not ever a big part of that book, except they were promoting Kirtanananda as a guru. The people who were hardly even mentioned in the book got the most of the air time. That does not follow the book.

And these GBC guru guys still say they -- and Kirtanananda -- were the 11 appointed gurus, and no one challenged that lie in the movie. It looks like the same fools who claimed to be gurus in 1978 were then annointed as the movie's main authentic and reliable speakers. And they were not challenged about all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders that came from their program -- in the movie, never mind the bogus guru appointment. They were given softball questions.  

Pd, your interview in the movie is a great contribution. You explained things honestly and well, and I liked the cinematography with your image reflected in the 1980s television. We are grateful for you taking part in the movie. Also, you have to give the movie credit for not bending a knee to the ISKCON gurus, sannyasis, or GBCs. We interviewed one guru on Zoom for background, but he lied to our faces. We decided not to have him in the movie.

All that stuff doesn't bother me, but the things you said about Mukunda Goswami and Steve Gelberg (Subhananda das) are just not true. They were not in on the guru conspiracy. 

PADA: Subhananda was part of ISKCON until 1991-2? Surely that means he knew about the murders, Jayatirtha's beheading, and numerous other scandals. But no one is allowed to stay in ISKCON for two seconds if they challenge the bogus appointed guru system, in fact those of us who challenge are in all sorts of trouble immediately. He was part of the system, or he would have been exiled out forthwith, like all the rest of us. 

We do know Subhananda writes a bunch of scrambled up materials about "the confusion after 1978," "the controversies" etc. -- but we were never confused, we knew these guys were fraud "associates of Krishna" from day one. 

Subhananda was for sure writing in favor of the 11 at the beginning, and Ramesvara and other GBC were promoting his "Guru and Disciples" book which he wrote about (GBC) gurus and disciples. Mukunda was also 100% sold out to the GBC gurus, and he was saying Kirtanananda is a great devotee and we were offending him in 1986, which Sulochana said -- is painting a target on us. 

Sorry they were hand maidens to the GBC guru system. And I am not sure if Subhananda has ever explained that the 11 guru process is a hoax? He says he had to leave ISKCON because of all the corruption, and now he does not follow the religion, but a sincere devotee continues on with Krishna with or without ISKCON. That means he was connected to the corrupt people and not to Krishna.  

Steve didn't know about the corruption until he read an early draft of my book in the 1990s. 

PADA: There were countless bad media stories EARLY ON about ISKCON all over the media starting with: the Laguna bust; the Syracuse case; Hansadutta's farm raided; New Orleans murder of Catur Bahu; Hansadutta shooting up downtown Berkeley; Jagganath Suta's LA newspaper expose of the women's collecting party; Jiva getting shot (an inside job); Satsvarupa's mad paintings, headaches and taking all sorts of pills; assorted guru sex scandals; porno swami cases; assorted child molesting out croppings; and a host of numerous other cases, and Jayatirtha and others falling down, which were a direct result of the corruption. Anyone who did not know this is all corruption was living in a pipe dream, and Mukunda still is, he still acts like he did nothing wrong.

Mukunda had more insights into what the gurus were doing, but he was not in favor of it. Yes, we covered up for the drug smuggler busts, Hansadutta's gun violations, and some of the BS coming out of New Vrindaban. Mukunda wanted the GBC to excommunicate Kirtanananda and New Vrindaban. 

PADA: Well yeah, after Mukunda had us excommunicated, and thus one of us is murdered, then all of a sudden he wants to clean up the blood and dead bodies in his propaganda apartment before the police arrive. He was only interested in covering his own trail that leads from the murder to him excommunicating us. 

He wanted to save his own a**. But he never writes to me and apologizes for his role in making us targets, instead he gets voted in as a co-guru with the entire homosexual and pedophile messiahs club that bans, beats, molests, sues and murders. And he just acts like he did nothing wrong. And his getting voted into their system, validates their system, and means he is one of them.

But when the gurus killed Sulochan, that was too much. They expected the PR office to cover up their crimes, no matter what they did. The gurus used the PR department, and we all quit. Steve Gelberg left ISKCON in 1987. Dave and I left in 1988. Mukunda is still in ISKCON, but moved out of America and retired from the GBC in 1992.

PADA: OK well Sulochana did say he has to be murdered before anyone would take notice of his complaints -- that there are homosexual pedophiles and other deviants in the ISKCON guru seat, and he was right. Yeah Mukunda creates a crap storm and then "retires." Subhananda writes for them and leaves. Then he blames the religion. How handy.

I'll explain my memories of Sulochan, and his contact with the PR office. In 1985, Mukunda assigned me to keep track of Sulochana when he was in L.A. For example, if Sulochana called our office, we immediately put him through to Mukunda. Sulochana was a friend of the PR office. 

Sulochana donated bags of pendants to help us raise money. I sold the pendants to devotees at Watseka. It was our responsibility to keep Sulochana safe. Mukunda wanted to cool things down, not make it worse. Nobody in the PR office wanted Sulochana to die. It never occurred to me the gurus would murder him for exposing their secrets.

PADA: Well our immediate probable demise occurred to me and Sulochana. He told me we have to split up -- me to stay in San Francisco -- and he goes to LA, or they will take us both out at once. He also said, I will probably never see you again, prophetic last words he said to me. 

It was well known to us -- we were targets. And he also said Mukunda and co. excommunicating him placed a bull's eye on his back. The Berkeley Police also told me, they are out to kill you guys. I had to call the police station every day, just so they knew I was still living. OK most sane people knew we were targets. This was only a surprise to the people living in the GBC guru bubble, who also had no comment when we reported mass child abuse and other crimes. They were in denial.

One last thing I want to add. When we were filming the show last year, I talked to a lot of old ISKCON friends. Those who are still related with ISKCON deny everything that happened in the 1980s. I could sense some of them know what happened, but they pretend like it didn't happen, and won't talk about it. I'm glad the movie exposes ISKCON's crimes, even though the movie has imperfections.

Ys, Nori

PADA: Yep. When Ravindra wanted to remove Kirtanananda, "300 Prabhupada disciples" wrote a petition saying if Kirtanananda goes, they will also go. And they did go. That means they wanted to promote the worship of their homosexual and pedophile messiah, and not Prabhupada. 

And they hated those of us promoting Prabhupada, and a lot of them wanted to kill us and they would write nasty things to me. That means they wanted to promote pedophiles as messiahs and we were blocking their plan. And now a lot of them are in denial about the whole series of events that they co-created. 

As far as the movie exposing crimes, well yeah it does that very well. But how did this all happen, i.e. the false acharyas, is not clear. It is like a giant unsolved mystery show, which never solves the mystery. Instead it makes the people who created the criminal regime, and co-caused all these crimes, the prime spokesmen. 

The people who created the false acharyas (and thus the people who orchestrated the regime of the crimes) are the people who co-made the criminal regime, interviewing them as the authorities on this topic, simply creates a false narrative, and more confusion. We do not interview Jack the Ripper to make him the leader of the "save the women" committee. Anyway, the movie does not follow the book. I talked a lot about Hansadutta and that was a large part of the book, and it was not included.

Meanwhile the real problem is, we are all rotting in the material world. And the only way out of the material world is to worship Krishna. To make it sound like Krishna wanted and ordered homosexuals and pedophiles to be appointed as His guru successors, makes Krishna look bad and will turn people away from Krishna. And it is doing that. That is why I wanted to have it explained that, this was never what Krishna wanted. 

And I said that to the movie people, but did not get to say that in the movie. I feel totally let down by them. They gave the floor to the people who were causing us to be hunted and murdered, never mind all the child abuse and everything else. That means, the movie compromised with the evil doers and suppressed us, which is how we all got to this stage in the first place. 

ys pd

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Well so much for the big giant "negotiated peace plan." Lasted a few hours at least. ys pd