ISKCON India Governing Council Condemns GBC's Female Gurus

[PADA: What is amazing here is that the ISKCON GBC consists of a body of many acharyas, i.e. people who are supposedly speaking direct to God. And Basu Ghosh Das has started a counter organization, the ISKCON India Governing Council, to supervise and oversee the GBC's acharya's council. Basu Ghosh is the self-appointed authority over the acharyas?

And meanwhile, the GBC's acharyas have started their own overseer group, the Shastra Advisory Committee (SAC) also to advise the acharyas. Why do acharyas need a committee to monitor, advise and chastise them for deviations? 

Basu Ghosh is telling a body of acharyas -- who are speaking to God -- they are bogus and have not followed guru, sadhu and shastra. Umm, the people who are speaking direct to God, shaksat hari tvena, are not following the directives of God?

That also means, Basu Ghosh is now superior to the acharyas because he has appointed himself to be the advisor to the acharyas. Where do we find that acharyas need to be supervised by a committee, and a committee that makes wrong proclamations because they do not follow guru, sadhu and shastra?

Of course Torben's hero Rocana has also annointed himself as the advisor to the acharyas. Guess what, the GBC are not acharyas. Guess what else, people who are voting in illicit sex deviants as acharyas have no authority to annoint anyone else as acharya, male or female. This is getting ritvik-diculous. ys pd]

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By: ISKCON India Governing Council Posted on November 30, 2019

Dear Devotees,

Vaishnavebhyo namonamah. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!

If you would be so kind, I would like to bring to your attention a resolution of the ISKCON India Governing Council (aka ”Bureau”) regarding the ISKCON GBC’s recent resolution passed at Tirupati during October 2019, authorizing female diksa-gurus (FDGs) on a geographic region-by-region basis.

The ISKCON India Governing Bureau is overwhelmingly opposed to this resolution, as are ISKCON India’s divisional leaders (the “IIAC” = ISKCON India Advisory Committee) and local temple authorities (the “ICC” = Indian Continental Committee).

We oppose the GBC’s resolution because it is opposed in heart and spirit to Srila Prabhupada’s teachings. The Bureau therefore passed its own resolution calling for the GBC to reconsider its resolution regarding instituting FDGs. The Bureau voted 14 in favor, 1 abstention and 1 against for the resolution copied below.

Thank you for your kind attention and consideration of this important issue,

Sincerely, dasanudas,

Basu Ghosh Das
Vice-chairman
ISKCON India Governing Bureau

P.S. For those reading this who may not be aware, Srila Prabhupada registered ISKCON in India at Bombay during 1971, under both the Bombay Public Trust Act, and the Society’s act of 1860 (laws enacted during British Imperial Rule in India, that are still on the books today).

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The Bureau’s Resolution regarding FDGs
On the last day of the meeting of the ISKCON India Governing Council (Bureau) at Ahmedabad, November 25, 2019, the following resolution was adopted by the Bureau: a response to ISKCON’s GBC having passed a resolution at Tirupati last month, sanctioning female diksha gurus.

Whereas, the GBC has passed a resolution at their mid-term meeting at Tirupati 2019, authorizing female diksha gurus. However, the Bureau had passed a resolution during its February 2019 meeting at Pune, calling on the GBC not to pass any resolution on female diksha gurus, before entering into a dialogue with the Bureau, but regretfully the GBC did not do so, and the Bureau feels distressed and disheartened by the disregard shown by the GBC towards the Bureau,

Whereas, we all know that “books are the basis”, and in our foundational book, Srimad Bhagavatam, 4.12.32, Prabhupada clearly stated that “being a woman” Suniti could not be Dhruva’s diksha guru”. The Bureau finds that the said resolution instituting female diksha gurus is in our understanding a contravention of this specific instruction of Srila Prabhupada,

Whereas, the resolution passed by the GBC on female diksha gurus is having a divisive effect on the worldwide community of devotees, 

Whereas, the members of the Bureau find the said resolution instituting female diksha gurus to contradict established vaishnava practices, traditions, and the culture of the Saraswat line of Gaudiyas, as set down in various vedic scriptures,

Whereas, the effort to institute female diksa-gurus in ISKCON contravenes Srila Prabhupada’s instruction to institute varnashrama-dharma as the social system for ISKCON,

Whereas, Srila Prabhupada did not confer the sacred thread to women, therefore we understand that they are thus unauthorized to confer it to others,

Whereas, Srila Prabhupada had so many sincere and senior female disicples, but still he never appointed a single woman as a TP, GBC, or ritvik (guru – as per the July 9 letter), thus establishing his intent that as per teaching of the shastra that woman should always be protected and not have authority over men,

Whereas, the Bureau is afraid that since the GBC has the tendency to appoint women as TPs and GBCs, and now female diksha gurus, it will open the doors to more Western liberal egalitarian ideas that men and women are absolutely equal, a view that Prabhupada condemned time and again,

Whereas, this resolution and consequent implementation will cause the leaders of the four Vaishnava sampradayas and bona fide followers of Sanatana Dharma to call into question the authenticity of ISKCON,

Whereas, the members of the Bureau feel that the GBC resolution authorizing female diksha gurus even on a regional basis will adversely affect ISKCON India. As devotees around the world treat ISKCON as one united institution and not compartmentally, with each area having it’s own systems of initiation. 

So anyone who is initiated by a female guru outside of India cannot be denied as a bona fide initiated devotee within India. We wish to point out that ISKCON India has the most temples, the largest group of both fully dedicated and congregational devotees, and the most book distribution in the world. 

Moreover, we wish to point out that the vast majority of ISKCON’s congregation in the USA, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, as well as to some extent in Western Europe, are Indians, and they naturally have a relationship with ISKCON in India,

Whereas, the Bureau takes cognizance of the vote in the ICC – Indian temple presidents and managers meeting – (vote was seventy six in favor, three opposed, with four abstentions), and in the IIAC – divisional council representatives and Bureau members’ joint meeting – (twenty one in favor, three opposed, and six absentions) wherein both bodies voted overwhelmingly to reject this resolution of the GBC, and called upon us to convey their desire to the GBC for this resolution to be rescinded,

Whereas, this resolution that may have far reaching effects was passed by the GBC with only a simple majority, whereas to be confirmed as a GBC member a 4/5 majority is required,

Therefore, in view of the above, it is hereby resolved, that,

The Bureau hereby expresses its strong opposition to the GBC resolution on female diksha gurus, passed during their 2019 meeting, at Tirupati,

The Bureau calls on the GBC body to rescind the resolution on female diksha gurus during its 2020 AGM, and, as requested by the Bureau in February 2019, to enter into a dialogue on the issue with us, to come to a mutually agreeable solution on the basis of guru, sadhu, and shastra,

Further, the Bureau calls on the GBC body to reconstitute the Shastric Advisory Council (SAC), in consultation with the Bureau, as it appears that the conclusions of the SAC papers of 2005 and 2013 on the topic of female diksha gurus, which informed the GBC’s resolution, are incorrect.

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DURING A SCANDAL-FILLED DECADE, after they had buried the saintly Founder of the institution, eleven so-called spiritual leaders and managers of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON)—more commonly known as the Hare Krishna movement—utilized deception and collective fantasy to enact a bloodless coup. This resulted in the hijacking of a Gaudiya-Vaishnava religious institution, the banishment of dissenters, the abuse of innocents, the alienation of the public, the brutal murder of one outspoken reformer, and the near-fatal hemorrhaging of the Society. 

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After Prabhupada passed away, eleven senior disciples installed themselves as his successors. Each of the eleven ruled their own zones, where they were worshiped as good as God. Known among their supporters as “The Magnificent Eleven,” they claimed their orders came directly from Lord Krishna, whom devotees consider the Absolute Truth and Cause of All Causes. 

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For fifteen years (1978-1993), the author served as a faithful disciple of one of the zonal acharyas, and he lived through many of the events described in this book. Recently, he has interviewed major players in this drama, who have contributed important inside information to help everyone interested more fully understand this unfortunate and little-documented chapter in the history of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.

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Bhakti Vikas Swami (BVKS) says, "Please do not take initiation from me," ummm unless we can accept BVKS's illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara? BVKS says "disciple means discipline," but the "discipline" found in the Bhakti Vikas swami guru parampara is apparently -- anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex, and maybe sex with goats. I am glad BVKS at least has some standard for "discipline" in his guru parampara, ooops, except the "standard" is apparently, do the hokey pokey wherever you can -- and with whomever you can.

I give up, how is the BVKS "chain of (debauchee) gurus" the "discipline" Krishna expects of His gurus? Why does BVKS consider that this above mentioned "guru parampara" is bona fide, all because he is "bona fide member" of that odious lineage? And why would BVKS keep saying "Srila Prabhupada wanted" these conditioned souls and debauchees to be worshiped as Krishna's successors? Do these guys have any idea who is Krishna?

And if there is little -- or sometimes no -- "discipline" among their "parampara gurus," indeed there is a lot of debauchery, then how can we expect that the followers will be disciplined? "We become what we worship," so why would we want to have people worshiping debauchees as their messiahs, knowing that if they "become what they worship" -- they will become debauchees too. 

Is that "what Srila Prabhupada wanted?," lets have your kids worship an anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex, and maybe sex with goats guru lineage. Isn't that "illegally corrupting the morals or minors," as my legal counselor friend thinks it is? And why does BVKS think this is the path to God? 

BVKS says he is a "bona fide representative" of that debauchee's guru parampara, because he is promoting the GBC's illicit sex guru program, and indeed BVKS is "voted in" to the oral sex with taxi driver's guru parampara. Which previous acharyas are "2/3 show of hands voted into a debauchee's guru parampara," at a time when everyone else was protesting their oral sex with taxi drivers acharya's program? As soon as we said oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham is not bona fide behavior for acharyas, or even for dogs, BVKS says -- I love this taxi driver's sex guru parampara, let me get voted in by them as one of their co-members! Even dogs behave better in the dham than BVKS acharyas?

BVKS is "disapproved of" by other GBC gurus allegedly, because he says women are not masters, but mothers. OK and when a number of these "mothers" complained that they were being abused, and / or their children were being starved, beaten, molested and maybe deprived of basic needs, these women were many times banned, driven out, kicked out, and ignored by the BVKS "men" leadership process. 

OK, so if women know there is a problem, and they are being repressed, ignored, banned, removed, exiled and so on, that means -- the BVKS program failed to listen to their masters, the people who had the superior realization. The women are your masters when they know something is wrong, and you do not. 

Notice also that BVKS says that some acharyas will be disapproved of as deviants by other acharyas. Where has that been going on in the parampara, that one acharya says the other acharyas are not in agreement with their siddhanta? Srila Prabhupada says guru is one, and BVKS says gurus are constantly fighting like cats and dogs and arguing.

And instead of BVKS apologizing for all his program's criminal negligence of the women, children and men brahmanas (some of whom also joined the women's complaints, only to be banned, beaten and assassinated) we find BVKS is doubling down and saying these women needed to be quiet and simply accepted these GBC men (like him) as their masters, never mind these "men" created chaos and abuse for these victims. 

BVKS seems to be directly addressing us at PADA when he says some folks are merely criticizing and not making a positive alternate. Well, we have got probably thousands of people to accept that Srila Prabhupada is their guru, and to reject the BVKS debauchee guru's program as bogus. 

Meanwhile never mind PADA, the karmi press media has been exposing the BVKS guru chain's various crimes, as such the BVKS guru process has been exposed as criminal to millions and millions and millions of people. And these millions, if not billions of people agree with PADA, that debauchees are not God's guru successors, and the people promoting that process (like BVKS) are deviants. 

So this is interesting, the members of an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara are "orthodox" and those of us who worship pure devotees are "ritvik deviants." Amazing word juggling here! ys pd 

SD: Yes according to time, place and circumstance. It is what it is, and what i've never been able to understand is how nothing has been able to bring these violators of the movement down, 42 years on. Just seems to keep repeating over and over. First of all there was PADA, who certainly kept everyone informed, then IRM with Kk, who seemed to get nobbled when he met with GBC in States. Now FB and other sites, and you say get stuck in, but into what? All I see is devotees fighting and blocking each other while hoaxers sit in their ivory towers, probably having a good laugh - but not when Lord Yama comes to call. I think they show a confidence that they are protected at a high level. Don't know- just how it feels.

[PADA: Well yes, in Kali Yuga the rogues will rule, but as you say, Yamaraja has the last say in this matter. True dat!]

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This is a non-affiliated group of devotees, whom reside in London and understand His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada to be the sole bona fide Diksha guru to connect one to Krsna in the parampara.

“Diksha is the process by which one can awaken his transcendental knowledge and vanquish all reactions caused by sinful activity. A person expert in the study of the revealed scriptures knows this process as diksha”.

We are not looking for followers, but genuine seekers looking to take on the process of Krsna Consciousness, taking guidance from Srila Prabhupada as Guru. Any questions from anyone can be posted to the page or sent as a private message and we will endeavour to answer according to Srila Prabhupada's books. 

This page is more of a zone to get devotees to discuss, allow for a platform of istagosthi and share everyone’s Sankirtan experiences, not to mention allow new seekers to also inquire. This way we can expand the movement and contribute a little something towards Lord Chaitanya’s mission of chanting the Maha mantra in every town and village.

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PADA: Navayogendra swami has been saying that we need to get the mercy of Srimati Radharani to get to Krishna. OK partially correct. First of all, we need to get the mercy of a pure representative of Srimati Radharani, aka Krishna's pure devotee, and ONLY then do we get to serve Her through that channel, called technically the guru parampara chain.   

Unfortunately, the Navayogendra swami GBC "guru chain" contains "acharyas" who have established a program of -- anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex, and maybe sex with goats. I give up, how is his "chain of (debauchee) gurus" going to connect someone to Srimati Radharani? 

And is it not a severe aparadha to Srimati Radharani to claim that this contaminated chain of fools is going to connect people to Her? And wasn't this the first problem we had in 1978, when we asked "how can the guru pooja songs like 'Nikunya Yuno Rati Keli Siddha' (serving Radha Krishna) apply to 11 conditioned souls"?  And how come Navayogendra Swami is "2/3 show of hands voted in" to such a guru parampara? 

So it looks to us that Navayogendra swami is advising the general mass of public to be jumping over the guru parampara, and he is advising people to start to connect direct with Srimati Radharani without first being connected to the bona fide guru parampara, which is what Srila Prabhupada says is the proper process to connect with Radha Krishna. Anyway, now he is part of the Rathayatra dates imbroglio:  
Text PAMHO:31762968 (77 lines) [W1]

From: Navayogendra Swami

Date: 14-Nov-19 01:07 (06:37 +0530)

To: Gopal Krsna Goswami [132271]

Bcc: ICC (Indian Continental Committee) [9174]

Bcc: NIDC [1034]

Subject: My reply on Rathyatra issue

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Dear Gopal Krishna Maharaj.

Please accept my humble obeisances. All Gories to our beloved Gurudev Srila
Prabhupada, saviour of the whole world by spreading sanatana dharma all over
the world and who is very kind upon the fallen souls like myself.

I am in due receipt of your letter. I regret not picking up your phone as it
was in silent mode kept in my room and I generally don’t carry it with me
all the time.

Regarding the present Rathyatra crisis I would reiterate my stand that we as
followers of Srila Prabhupada should not submit to the whips and pressure of
some local Hindu radicals of Orissa and change our system of preaching
program set by Srila Prabhupada. How can you expect these so called
guardians of Puri temple who are fish eaters to understand the mood of Sri
Jagannath and H.D.G. Srila Prabhupada, a mahabhagwat and pure devotee of
Lord Jaggannath, who fulfilled the prediction of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. 

They were the ones who stopped foreign followers of Srila Prabhupada from
entering Jagannath temple and then Srila Prabhupada gave Lord Jagannath to
the whole world engaging everybody in his service . Prabhupada taught us to
depend on Krishna , follow the orders of spiritual master and stick to the
truth in all circumstances . Failing to do is a serious offence.

[PADA: Gopal Krishna helped Radhanath bury a known homosexual pedophile in a samadhi in the dham, and they also buried a porno watching swami in the dham. How is this "following Srila Prabhupada in all circumstances"?] 
Srila Prabhupada faced a similar threatening situation. I am quoting some
excerpts from Lilamrita:

"Naxalite terrorists threatened Prabhupada's life. These young Communist
terrorists, who had been active in Calcutta during Prabhupada's visit of
1970, had never disturbed him until now. Their tactic was to approach
prominent businessmen in their homes or on the street and coerce them into
cooperation with Naxalite political objectives. If a businessman refused,
the Naxalites would burn his home or place of business or even assassinate
him. The Naxalites, who were eager for all of Bengal to turn from their
religious traditions and embrace Communism, saw Prabhupada rekindling the
religious spirit in Calcutta. (Prabhupada was able to talk to them and calm them down into allowing his program).

Once we pay heed to these Hindu radicals who are envious of Srila Prabhupada,
their moral will get boosted and they will again and again object to our various preaching activity in the future. Why should we compromise? Iskcon as a whole should protest against such activity and try its level best to safe guard the teachings and instructions of Srila Prabhupada otherwise the whole institution will get weakened and loose credit in the society.

As a dutiful Prabhupada’s sannyasi I have expressed my opinion and voiced my
concern about the impending danger to the society. Personally I do not support at all, the idea of single day Rathyatra everywhere. Regarding Amritsar Rathyatra I have already told the Rathayatra committee and the temple authorities to do the needful in communion with Iskcon authorities.

Your servant

Nava yogendra Swami


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Text PAMHO:31767518 (51 lines)

From: Sumithra Krishna (das) JPS (TP Chennai - IN)

Date: 16-Nov-19 16:07 (21:37 +0530)

Cc: ICC (Indian Continental Committee) [9175]

Cc: IIAC (ISKCON India Advisory Committee) [6216]

Reference: Text PAMHO:31762968 by Navayogendra Swami

Comment: Text PAMHO:31767898 by Bhaktarupa (das) ACBSP (Puri - IN)

Subject: My reply on Rathyatra issue

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Thank you maharaj for your wonderful reply .

Maharaj we have to also understand that Lord jagannath is happy with the
pandas seva. Even Sripad Ramanujacharya tried to find fault with the pandas
and the way Lord Jagannath is worshipped. But Lord was not happy with Sripad
Ramanujacharya. Lord jagannath belongs to puri and we have to respect the
customs and rituals they are following.

Srila Prabhupad said that we have to keep good relations with all our neighbours. We have to respect what the puri servants says and find out alternate methods and not argue on the age old traditions that the temple of lord Jagannath is following for thousands of years. 

There is no harm in celebrating our ratha yatras on the same day of puri yatra in july. In chennai when we went to take rath route permission the police commissioner asked me one question which I was taken aback. He asked how come you are celebration ratha yatra now in january .The actual ratha yatra in puri is in july. He said is it right to conduct ratha yatra on different time and not
follow puri dates. Some he came to know that many iskcon temples in big
cities like kolkata, ahmedabad etc conduct on the same day that of puri and
he asked me why chennai is doing on a different day.

Is it not an offense to lord. I didnt have a convincing answer to reply to him. I could have given him many answer that iskcon is conducting rathayatra on holidays so that every one gets chance to render service to the lord etc. By having Rathayatras on the same day even the public will appreciate us.

Like janmashtami or ganesh caturthi , christmas is celebrated on the same
day all over. So let us not argue or find fault with lord Jagannath sevaks in puri but instead conduct on the same day that of Puri. For public out reach and preaching we can always take gaur nitai deities for procession an also Srila Prabhupad murthi and do harinam on any day of the year.

I am sure many leaders in iskcon india would not agree to my point which I
have mentioned here .You may have other points to discuss. I humbly request all the leaders of ISKCON India to please consider this important decision to conduct our ratha yatras on the same day.

your servant
sumithra krishna das

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[PADA: Yes, why should we not follow the system that has already been established in India, while in India proper? For the USA, we are dependent on whenever we can get a city permit to conduct a festival, so naturally that will not be on the same day. In fact we get different dates even in the same city because they have to schedule Rathayatras in with many other competing programs in the USA. Of course in India there may be examples where the city will not give us the same Puri dates in India, that is an exception. 

However, we should try to follow the traditions in India when possible, for starters, to not foment agitation against ISKCON for no good reason. Now ISKCON is also going against many SAMPRADAYA scholars there who do not want to see women acharyas being voted into ISKCON. Again, we are creating agitation for no good reason. Anyway, its remarkable to me that Navayogendra would be voted into a debauchee guru program, then he would advise us on any topic. 

Even our worst criminals here in San Quentin know that a guru chain that contains -- anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex, and maybe sex with goats, is not a process that connects anyone to God. EVER! Why doesn't the GBC and their voted in messiahs know that too? If there is some compelling reason we need to change up the Rathayatra dates in India at this stage, what is it? ys pd 

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Gaura Govinda Maharaja's Threat to ISKCON GBC

GD: Gaura Govinda Maharaja's disciples were believing he is the next Acarya, the only pure devotee in ISKCON, and as such he should take over Iskcon. And because he was born in India he is more advanced than all these white bodies gurus. He was not preaching Srila Prabhupada consciousness, nor was he denying what his disciples were saying. There was a motion in the GBC to remove him from Iskcon for different reasons, but he died during the meetings.

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PADA: Gaura Govinda Maharaja was preaching the mayavada philosophy that we do not originate in Krishna's leela or sport. He said BR Sridhara Maharaja is correct, and he says we originated in brahmajyoti. Furthermore, GGM was challenging the GBC -- that if they did not change Srila Prabhupada's jeeva tattva siddhanta (that we originate in Krishna's leela or sport) he was going to arrange a mass demonstration in front of the Mayapur temple of locals who believe we originated in brahman. OK a lot of the locals are mayavada. So GGM wanted to dismantle Srila Prabhupada's teachings and promote the mayavada ideas.

Anyway, he was a threat to the GBC power structure for different reasons. And so it is odd that he died right at the exact time the GBC was discussing how they were going to have to remove him, or at least contain and curb his activities. And some of his followers believe he was poisoned in Mayapura at that time, and Suhotra was also poisoned because he too was making waves. We really don't know what happened here, but if anyone has any more details send to --- 

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PAMHO Discussion: On Changed Books

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Text PAMHO:31782583 (7 lines)
From: (Bhakta) Jan Mares (NE-BBT Czech)
Date: 25-Nov-19 10:13 (11:13 +0100)
To: Visnucitta (das) BVKS (Chennai - IN) [655]
To: (Krsna) Katha [19032]

For: Prabhupada Said

Subject: unchangeable tattva vs. modernity

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So whatever Krsna says, or He said five thousand years ago, we are
repeating the same thing. That is called parampara system. Not that "The
world has changed. Scientific advancement is very great. Now we can
interpret in this way and that way." This is all nonsense. All nonsense.
You cannot change a single alphabet. They are all unmistakable. They
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Krishna Govinda (Music VIDEO)

Hari Sauri Authorized? / Jayapataka Recent Statement / Interesting Quotes

PADA: Someone asked me -- how much valid are the writings of "Hari Sauri" (Denis Harrison) and his diaries. Yes! There are some nice, valid and correct points of information there, some so-called nectar. Ooops, as well as a lot of broken up, changed up history and misinformation. So Hari Sauri is good and correct some of the time, just like a broken clock is right twice a day. At the same time, we have to remember that milk touched by a serpent can be poison. Half truth is not truth. 

First of all, Hari Sauri's crew says that he and his GBC pals have been doing all sorts of service to Krishna since 1977. And that means he thinks that their party's establishing an illicit sex with men, women and children "guru chain parampara from God"; which then has to ban, beat, exile, sue and kill devotees in order to suppress dissent -- is "service to Krishna." Where does Krishna says this is service to Krishna? Or isn't this service to Hari Sauri's agenda, and not Krishna's agenda?

When me and Sulochan started our writings in the 1980s, some of the Hari Sauri GBC's leaders said we are sahajiyas who dressed in saris and smoked pot. Sulochana said, "Hey wait a minute, we are objecting to sexual predators and pedophiles posing as gurus, and we are said to be intoxicated transvestites." And he would slap his knee and fall off his chair laughing. 

Then he would add, "That means -- all these big muscle bound weight lifting Srila Prabhupada 'defender' guys are not nearly as tough as us sari wearing intoxicated fools." Again, more hysterical laughing. Of course this is an insult to the entire Krishna religion, to say that the only people who would be bold enough to dissent from an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara are the foolish "sahajiyas." 

Meanwhile it seems to us a lot of the "senior devotees" are making some sorts of books and lectures based on their so-called experiences with Prabhupada, while handily avoiding all the post 1977 mayhem. So we have folks like Acyutananda, Syamsundar, Guru das, Jadurani, Satsvarupa, Srutakirti, Hari Sauri and many others promoting their post as "senior servants" but they cannot explain why they seemed to acquiesce, or in many cases support the GBC's false guru process? 

Or worse in the case of Jadurani, she promotes the worship of one of the GBC's biggest cheer leaders -- Narayan Maharaja. Of course Narayan Maharaja said the leaders of the post 1936 Gaudiya Matha's deviant parampara are "gurus like Srila Prabhupada."  

So this was a problem with the Hari Sauri group. They have been establishing that acharyas are people who have a program of -- anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex, and maybe sex with goats. And us critics are seen as the bad guys because we allegedly wear saris and smoke pot. Seems like a smoke screen diversion technique to suppress our dissent? 

Ummm, then that would mean only us bogus devotee men -- who wear saris and smoke pot -- have enough intestinal fortitude to stand up and challenge the worship of an illicit sex with men, women and children guru lineage? OK that means the GBC are de facto glorifying the sahajiya class as the most elevated class, for having clear enough discrimination to detect and challenge deviants in Vyasa seats, and moreover only sahajiyas are bold enough to challenged these deviations. 

Sulochana also said, "The real reason they say we are sahajiyas is to demonize us, to make us targets -- for violence or assassination." True dat! So we were somewhat surprised when the Janardan / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur folks began to cite chapter and verse from Hari Sauri with his criticism of me and Sulochan. 

We need to reform ISKCON by citing the people Sulochan said are "painting a bull's eye on my back to get me killed." Its amazing that HKC Jaipur folks are claiming to be "the real reformers," while proudly promoting the writings that gets us dissenters killed, all to protect the -- anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex, and maybe sex with goats guru parampara agenda. 

Why are the "reformers" promoting this agenda in the name of a reform? Just admit you are with that agenda and be honest. And quit trying to get us killed? Who authorizes you folks to "paint a bulls eye on our backs"? 

So in sum, we think a lot of these people surrendered to the wrong agenda so they could be part of the regime and thus get a chance to sell themselves as some sort of senior heros of ISKCON. And this is perhaps why -- more than a few -- ex-kulis / school children tell us, "We cannot wait for all the original Prabhupada devotees to die, because as long as they are on earth people like us have to suffer." 

Yep, a lot of these ex-children remember how -- while they were being starved, beaten, molested and deprived of basic needs, people like Hari Sauri and his side kick Bhavananda were flying around having a jet set opulent Saudi prince lifestyle. 

OK so the money meant to care for the children was being siphoned for these guys to live like princes and to have 25 course feasts every day while their school kids had to eat rotten moldy oatmeal. And where was Hari Sauri? Oh I forgot, he was promoting himself as the famous Prabhupada Kripa Maharaja and flying around, using the kids money to live like a millionaire, along with his pals like Bhavananda. 

To sum, I don't think Hari Sauri has come to grips with the crimes has has facilitated by his supporting the debauchee guru process, nor has he properly expressed remorse and genuine change of heart. Nor has he explained that debauchee guru programs are bogus etc. ys pd
    

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JAYAPATAKA SWAMI:

THAT IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT LORD CAITANYA WILL NOT GIVE LOVE OF KRSNA!

Question: Guru maharaj, if someone is practicing Krsna consciousness and they are also hurting other devotees, but they continue to practice Krsna consciousness, it is better?

Guru maharaj: Lord Caitanya is described as the most merciful of all avatars. Sabe avatara sara siromani keval ananda kanda. He is the crown jewel of all the incarnations of Godhead. He gave us the process which is simply blissful. He said, He would give love of Godhead to everyone, except to those who offend devotees. 

We should be very careful not to cause or inflict pain, or any offense to any devotee. That is the only person that Lord Caitanya will not give love of Krsna. And somehow you see how Krsna consciousness spread so fast in the beginning in the West! 

Srila Prabhupada said that people were very sinful, but they had never committed vaisnava aparadh! Since there were no vaisnavas! Ha! Ha! In America! So with the coming of the devotees, started the vaisnava aparadh and then the preaching slows down, because by committing offences you lose the taste for doing devotional service. So it goes a lot slower. If someone practices, it is still to their benefit but they don’t reach the ultimate stage of love of Krsna. 

So we should be very careful, not to commit any offences to the devotees, especially what they call, vainsava ninda, criticizing devotees, and we don’t realize even if the husband hits the wife, we know that it is illegal. It is not only illegal but also it is a vaisnava aparadh, because the wife is also a vaisnavi! 

Similarly, any kind of pain you inflict on a vaisnava, mental, emotional, physical, all these hurt Krsna because devotees are very dear to Krsna. So we should avoid that. We should think of some way, if we have committed vaisnava aparadh, or if we have been exposed to vaisnava ninda or criticism unnecessarily, we should go those devotees and ask for forgiveness for any knowing or unknowing offence has been committed. 

And if they don’t forgive you, maybe they think who am I to be offended, then take some dust from their feet. I saw in Mayapur, outside the GBC room, all the GBCs leave their shoes, go inside barefoot. Some devotee was going to each of the shoes and taking the dust! So somehow or another if you can get the dust from the feet, or if you get their forgiveness, then that can be balanced out. 

And the very advanced devotees, they try to avoid hearing or speaking or doing anything offensive. It is alright to ask a question; we have a right to ask a question. But we should do that privately and we can ask the question that prabhu, I see you are doing this thing, but I hear from the teachings that we should not do it. Is it something that we should do or not do? 

So something like that, you ask a question. That is alright. But if you say, Prabhu! YOU ARE DOING THIS ANARTHA! YOU ARE NONSENSE! That is not right! The guru can do that! The ordinary devotee cannot do that. So we should be very careful not to commit any offence. We should in that sense, we should be very careful. Lord Caitanya said, the mad elephant offence, the offence against a vaisnava is like a mad elephant, let loose in your vegetable garden! 

Ha! The mad elephant pulls out the trees, tramples all the vegetables! So it can destroy your devotional garden, very easily. So somehow we should avoid criticizing each other, we should be very careful not commit vaisnava aparadh. Somehow we should cooperate together and try to expand the Krsna consciousness, God consciousness. Hare Krsna!

PADA: Well yep, explains why the leaders of the Jayapataka illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara are so often falling down, getting very sick, getting fatal ailments, and dying prematurely. Of course just look at the state of Jayapataka himself, which someone recently said is "the best poster child on earth for why we should not pose as acharyas without authority."   

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Hare Krsna-below we have compiled a series of texts and purports from SB which clearly explain the sick and sinful condition of those posing as spiritual masters today.

SB 5.26.40 purport.... supplemenatry notes ....

The activities of Ṛṣabhadeva, therefore, do not support the claims of a certain class of men known as arhat, who sometimes advertise that they are followers of Ṛṣabhadeva. How can they be followers of Ṛṣabhadeva while they act against the Vedic principles? Śukadeva Gosvāmī has related that after hearing about the characteristics of Lord Ṛṣabhadeva, the King of Koṅka, Veṅka and Kuṭaka initiated a system of religious principles known as arhat. 

These principles were not in accord with Vedic principles, and therefore they are called pāṣaṇḍa-dharma. The members of the arhat community considered Ṛṣabhadeva’s activities material. However, Ṛṣabhadeva is an incarnation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore He is on the transcendental platform, and no one can compare to Him.

SB 5.6.10-People who are lowest among men and bewildered by the illusory energy of the Supreme Lord will give up the original varṇāśrama-dharma and its rules and regulations. They will abandon bathing three times daily and worshiping the Lord. Abandoning cleanliness and neglecting the Supreme Lord, they will accept nonsensical principles. 

Not regularly bathing or washing their mouths regularly, they will always remain unclean, and they will pluck out their hair. Following a concocted religion, they will flourish. During this age of Kali, people are more inclined to irreligious systems. Consequently these people will naturally deride Vedic authority, the followers of Vedic authority, the brāhmaṇas, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and the devotees.

PURPORT- Presently the hippies in the Western countries fit this description. They are irresponsible and unregulated. They do not bathe, and they deride standard Vedic knowledge. They concoct new life-styles and religions. There are many hippie groups at the present moment, but they all originated from King Arhat, who imitated the activities of Lord Ṛṣabhadeva, who was situated on the paramahaṁsa stage. 

King Arhat did not care for the fact that although Lord Ṛṣabhadeva acted like a madman, His stool and urine were nonetheless aromatic, so much so that they nicely scented the countryside for miles around. The followers of King Arhat went under the name Jains, and they were later followed by many others, particularly by the hippies, who are more or less offshoots of Māyāvāda philosophy because they think themselves the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Such people do not respect the real followers of Vedic principles, the ideal brāhmaṇas. Nor do they have respect for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Supreme Brahman. Due to the influence of this age of Kali, they are apt to concoct false religious systems.

SB 5.26.15 - If a person deviates from the path of the Vedas in the absence of an emergency, the servants of Yamarāja put him into the hell called Asi-patravana, where they beat him with whips. When he runs hither and thither, fleeing from the extreme pain, on all sides he runs into palm trees with leaves like sharpened swords. Thus injured all over his body and fainting at every step, he cries out, “Oh, what shall I do now! How shall I be saved!” This is how one suffers who deviates from the accepted religious principles.

PURPORT-There is actually only one religious principle: dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19]. The only religious principle is to follow the orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Unfortunately, especially in this age of Kali, everyone is an atheist, people do not even believe in God, what to speak of following His words. The words nija-veda-patha can also mean “one’s own set of religious principles.” 

Formerly there was only one veda-patha, or set of religious principles. Now there are many. It doesn’t matter which set of religious principles one follows: the only injunction is that he must follow them strictly. An atheist, or nāstika, is one who does not believe in the Vedas. However, even if one takes up a different system of religion, according to this verse he must follow the religious principles he has accepted. Whether one is a Hindu, or a Mohammedan or a Christian, he should follow his own religious principles. 

However, if one concocts his own religious path within his mind, or if one follows no religious principles at all, he is punished in the hell known as Asi-patravana. In other words, a human being must follow some religious principles. If he does not follow any religious principles, he is no better than an animal. As Kali-yuga advances, people are becoming godless and taking up so-called secularism. They do not know the punishment awaiting them in Asi-patravana, as described in this verse.

SB 6.2.6 purport.... Indeed, the hellish conditions already described await the sinful men responsible for such suffering. One who betrays the confidence of a living entity who takes shelter of him in good faith, whether that living entity be a human being or an animal, is extremely sinful. Because such betrayals now go unpunished by the government, all of human society is terribly contaminated. The people of this age are therefore described as mandāḥ sumanda-matayo manda-bhāgyā hy upadrutāḥ [SB 1.1.10]. As a consequence of such sinfulness, men are condemned (mandāḥ), their intelligence is unclear (sumanda-matayaḥ), they are unfortunate (manda-bhāgyāḥ), and therefore they are always disturbed by many problems (upadrutāḥ). 

This is their situation in this life, and after death they are punished in hellish conditions.

(Follow bogus guru- they go to hell and the followers as well)

SB 1.19.37 P The Appearance of Sukadeva Gosvami Unless one is perfectly anxious to inquire about the way of perfection, there is no necessity of approaching a spiritual master. A spiritual master is not a kind of decoration for a householder. Generally a fashionable materialist engages a so-called spiritual master without any profit. The pseudo spiritual master flatters the so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and his ward go to hell without a doubt.

72-12-14.Letter: Tusta Krsna As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master. But unless he on that platform he should not attempt it. Then both of them will to go to hell, like blind men leading the blind.

SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati. Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them.

Srila Prabhupada... "So there must be faith, faith in the right person. Then it is all right.... Faith is required, but to the right person. Then it will be all right. You know that one barber is honest: then you can make your neck like this and he is with a sharpened razor. But you have faith that "He will not cut my throat; he will shave me." This is faith. 

And if you do not know him and if you put your neck like this and if he is a rogue, he will cut your throat. That's all. The same faith, if you put it to the right person, you become cleansed, shaved, and the same faith put in the wrong person—your throat is cut off. So you must know where to put the faith. So our Vedic injunction is: "Put your faith to the brahma-nistam,one who is God-realized".... Otherwise there will be disaster. Right faith. [break] ...(Morning Walk—November 26, 1975, New Delhi )

Madhya 22.153 : PURPORT :

Śrīla Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says: rūpa-raghunātha-pade haibe ākuti kabe hāma bujhaba se yugala pirīti.The sahajiyās' understanding of the love affairs between Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa is not bona fide because they do not follow the principles laid down by the six Gosvāmīs. Their illicit connection and their imitation of the dress of Rūpa Gosvāmī as well as their avoidance of the prescribed methods of revealed scriptures will lead them to the lowest regions of hell. These imitative sahajiyās are cheated and unfortunate. They are not equal to advanced devotees (paramahaṁsas). Debauchees and paramahaṁsas are not on the same level.

Some Conclusions—The above statements from Srimad Bhagavatam and Prabhupada's purports clearly and without doubt show us what happens when devotees, specifically so called leaders deviate from the Acaryas instructions. 

I suspect these things also will someday be deleted by the pundits of iskcon who do not want their foolish followers to know of them. The above texts begins with the King of Konka who began a new religious system after the disappearance of Lord Rsabdev and are now known as the “Jains”. Some may have seen them in India where they wear a mask over their face where they think they are stopping the killing of bugs by breathing. 

This so called religion is called Pasanda dharma, which means demoniac or atheistic. Next we see the text from SB 5.6.10 …Following a concocted religion, they will flourish. During this age of Kali, people are more inclined to irreligious systems. Consequently these people will naturally deride Vedic authority, the followers of Vedic authority, the brāhmaṇas, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and the devotees.

Note-And this is exactly what is happening in iskcon and other religions world wide. The Acaryas or bona fide spiritual masters who began the Christian religion, the Muslim religion and the Hare Krsna Movement, are not being obeyed today. Prabhupada tells us that these bogus leaders , the (former) hippies of the Hare Krsna movement,are descendents of this King of Konka the Jain who did not accept Rsabdev as the bona fide incarnation of Godhead, already named in the sastra. 

And even today there are many leaders in iskcon who do not accept that Srila Prabhupada is a pure devotee of the Lord and that his bona fide instructions are without fault. Therefore they feel quite comfortable changing these immutable instructions at their whim.

In SB 6.2.6 purport Srila Prabhupada describes these new age gurus as such...
One who betrays the confidence of a living entity who takes shelter of him in good faith, whether that living entity be a human being or an animal, is extremely sinful.

And lastly this purport above shows us how sinful are they charlatans who masquerade quite pompously around as gurus and spiritual masters. By accepting the title (thru a bogus non objection vote in iskcon) as spiritual master they assume that title and the responsibility of saving a soul from the cycle of birth and death-when they cant even save themselves !!! 

And they even admit it. Therefore they betray the confidence in those who foolishly accept them as spiritual masters. So many I have heard just leave Krsna Consciousness after seeing one guru they accept after another, fall down to sinful life.

This is the sad and very sinful condition of this age of kali. Better one takes shelter at the lotus feet of a bona fide guru-Srila Prabhupada.

Hare Krsna
damaghosa das

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Sivarama Swami VS IRM in Hungary

Srila Prabhupada AZ AVATÓ - DIKSA GURU

Campaign to Stop the IRM - Kampány az IRM Megállítására
(ISKCON Revival Movement)

Back To Prabhupada, Issue 62, Vol 2, 2019

In the last issue, we profiled the campaign to stop the IRM's preaching ("The Concerted Effort to Stop the IRM"). The campaign's financing and running is overseen by GBC-elected guru HH Sivarama Swami ("SRS"), with one of his disciples, Radha Damodara Dasa ("RAD"), leading the campaign. 

It was mentioned that it was the widespread distribution and success of the IRM's book 100 Deviations: The Life and Teachings of HH Sivarama Swami that had precipitated this campaign. This book has also been available on major ebook retailers, and can be accessed via this link. 

It is available in Hungarian, too. And to date there have been over 500 downloads. SRS's team has discovered the existence of retailers stocking this book, and as part of their campaign to stop the IRM, RAD, under his legal name Ravi Talsania, has now submitted the following fake review to Amazon.co.uk about the book:

"This book has nothing to do with Sivarama Swami — a terrible book full of lies. Don't waste your time or money on this rubbish. It has nothing to do with Sivarama Swami and is clearly written by a person with insincere motives and quite possibly mental health issues."

We can simply note the following facts:

1) The book contains 135 quotes from SRS, which constitute the vast bulk of the book.

2) Thus, the claim that the book is "written" by someone with "quite possibly mental health issues" would apply to SRS since it is his words that have "written" this book.

3) To therefore claim that the book is "full of lies" would mean that it is SRS who is being called a liar, since the book is actually "full of" his words.

And these horrible insults to SRS have been made by SRS's own disciple!

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Kampány az IRM Megállítására

Vissza Prabhupadahoz (Back To Prabhupada, BTP) 2019. 2. rész 62. szám

Az elmúlt kiadásban profiloztuk az IRM prédikációjának megállítását célzó kampányt ("The Concerted Effort to Stop the IRM"). A kampány finanszírozását és lebonyolítását a GBC által megválasztott guru, H.H.Sivarama Swami ("SRS") felügyeli, az egyik tanítványa, Radha Damodara Dasa ("RAD") vezeti a kampányt. Megemlítették, hogy az IRM 100 Eltérés: Őszentsége Sivarama Swami élete és tanításai című könyvének széles körű terjesztése és sikere váltotta ki ezt a kampányt.

Ez a könyv a nagyobb e-köny kereskedőknél is elérhető, és ezen a linken hozzáférhető. Magyar nyelven is elérhető. És a mai napig több mint 500 letöltés történt. SRS csapata felfedezte a könyvet tároló kereskedők létezését, és az IRM leállítása érdekében folytatott kampányuk részeként a RAD, a hivatalos neve Ravi Talsania alatt, most a következő hamis ismertetést nyújtotta be az Amazon.co.uk-nak a könyvről:

“Ennek a könyvnek semmi köze nincs Sivarama Swami-hoz - egy szörnyű könyv, tele hazugságokkal. Ne vesztegesd az idődet, vagy a pénzedet erre a szemétre. Ennek semmi köze nincs Sivarama Swami-hoz, és egyértelműen kétszínű motívációkkal és nagyon valószínűleg mentális egészségügyi problémákkal küzdő személy írta. "

Mi egyszerűen csak megjegyezzük a következő tényeket:

1) A könyv 135 SRS idézetet tartalmaz, amelyek a könyv hatalmas részét képezik.

2) Tehát az állítás, miszerint a könyvet “nagyon valószínűleg mentális egészségügyi problémákkal küzdő személy” írta”, SRS-re vonatkozna, mivel az ő szavai “írták” ezt a könyvet.

3) Ezért azt állítani, hogy a könyv "tele hazugságokkal", azt jelentené, hogy SRS-t hívják hazugnak, mivel a könyv valójában az ő szavaival van “tele".

És SRS felé ezeket a borzalmas sértéseket SRS-nek a saját tanítványa tette meg!

https://www.iskconirm.com/Magyar/btp62-Sivarama-Swami.html

[PADA: Yep, same type problem we have. We copy and paste various people's statements, we make some comments on their statements, then we are criticized for being liars etc. Well fine, don't say anything if one doesn't want to be quoted later on, hee hee! That is what Brahmananda said he told some of our critics, "Sure PADA has made a few errors, but so does everyone else, problem is, easily 95 percent of what PADA says is accurate, and that is really bad anyway you look at it." ys pd]

Cyvana Swami Health Crisis / Pattarajni Departs

PADA: The report we have got so far is -- that Cyvana swami has some fatal ailment and he is on the road to departing. A devotee said, "Srila Prabhupada built a house the whole world could live in, then the GBC made a house even they could not live in, so a number of them had to bloop and leave. And Cyvana is simply another victim out of thousands of the GBC guru's purge of devotees process." We heard that a small group of devotees are with him now and providing him with chanting and devotional atmosphere.  

Anyway! If anyone has any more details or updates they would like to share they can send info to:

angel108b@yahoo.com 

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HARE KRISHNA

HH Cyavana Swami Mahārāj recollects

That day 52 years ago when the two ships met, my life changed forever.
Jaya Srila Prabhupada! "I was stationed aboard a Coast Guard Cutter at Boston Harbor, and on September 17th 1965, when Srila Prabhupada's Jaladutta was moved from the anchorage over to Constitution Wharf my ship was docked at the base nearby, I was on duty on the Quarterdeck.

It is a Maritime custom that when two ships pass they offer a "salute" by lowering, then raising again the Ensign or Flag at the stern of the ship. I offered the American Flag to Srila Prabhupada's Jaladutta in this tradition, and when I looked up I was looking directly at him and he was looking directly at me. I was transfixed by his effulgence, and stood frozen in time as his ship passed. 

He acknowledged the greeting by slightly raising his left hand, palm outward." I will never forget that moment, this is a picture of the original Jaladutta built in 1910 that Srila Prabhupada travelled on. Now 52 years later the wake of his ship will continue to flood the world with love for Krishna.

Yes, at the time I had no idea who he was other than a Holy Man from India. Constitution Wharf is located at the mouth of the Mystic River and the Coast Guard Base is only a few hundred yards across from it. Six years later I was initiated, also in Boston. Jai Srila Prabhupada! The night before the ceremony, Prabhupada called me up to his room, he asked me to read two verses from Bhagavad Gita, he commented briefly then ordered me to go to Africa to open centers and preach to the people there.

I have always hoped that my greeting with the flag made him feel happy and welcome after his long and arduous journey across the Atlantic.

(The first devotee of His Divine Grace to actually see him in America! Amazing!)

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PADA: We wish these folks God speed. ys pd