A Very Disturbing Statement 11 21 24

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 “A VERY DISTURBING STATEMENT: CHOOSE WHICH SUICIDE- On Nov. 9 and 10, 1977 Srila Prabhupada stated several times that he had been poisoned, and on the morning of the 11th was the occurrence of the forensically certified whispers “the poison’s going down” and “is the poison in the milk?”

Then a very unusual and disturbing conversation took place in the afternoon of Nov. 11, 1977 (Conv Bk 36, p. 378-380). The devotees have been discussing Srila Prabhupada’s desire and proposal that he be taken by bullock cart on a multi-day parikrama pilgrimage from Vrindaban to Govardhan Hill, many miles distant over poor quality, very rough and pot-holed country roads.

An intense controversy develops as some, particularly Tamal, Bhavananda, and Jayapataka try very hard to dissuade Srila Prabhupada from going on this parikrama by citing the physical stress and danger to his health and life. The kaviraja deemed the trip would be fatal due to the rough roads. Srila Prabhupada was determined to go, however, as can be seen in the conversation.

Tamal: This seems like suicide, Srila Prabhupada, this program. It seems to some of us like it’s suicide.

SP: And this is also suicidal. Tamal: (turning to others) Hmm. Prabhupada said “And this is also suicide.” (turning back to Prabhupada) Now you have to choose which suicide.

SP: The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama, eh? That Marica- if he does not go to mislead Sita, he’ll be killed by Ravana. And if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.

Then a little later, after Tamal, Bhavananda and Jayapataka all vigorously try to convince Srila Prabhupada to wait until his health is stronger before attempting such a strenuous physical ordeal as a Govardhana parikrama:

“SP: But I think I shall be cured. Tamal: Prabhupada says he thinks he will be cured by the parikrama.”

Hansadutta calmly objected that if Srila Prabhupada was convinced parikrama would cure him, and he was determined to go, and was asking for his men to take him on parikrama, then how could any faithful disciple put forward any contrary arguments?

But Tamal did not appreciate Hansadutta’s opinion, and according to Urdhvaga das, shortly afterwards and outside of Srila Prabhupada’s room, verbally blasted Hansadutta for wanting to kill Srila Prabhupada. Hansadutta was stunned and shocked.

PADA: Right. Hansadutta was well aware there was a major problem going on with Srila Prabhupada's departure. At one point -- many years later -- he told me he agreed that there is some sinister evidence of a poison complaint, but a week later, he denied he ever said he had agreed. He was waffling all the time.

And that is perhaps because he and Tamal became close buddies in 1978 and they were often hanging out together, and he would have been implicated if he knew Tamal was up to no good. Later on, in Topanga Tamal and Hansadutta admit there was no guru appointment, but that conversation was hidden from the devotees. And both of them denied this conversation even took place, but someone had taped it and it came out later.

So it would look like Hansadutta was associated with Judas if he agreed there was a homicide against Srila Prabhupada wrong doing. Of course Hansadutta had no problem saying that Srila Prabhupada appointed 11 conditioned souls as his successors, and he poisoned the society by making these 11 into "Krishna's successors."

Hansadutta died basically a lifetime alcoholic and he was "very depressed." Yeah, he knows where he is going -- i.e. to the court of Yamaraja -- for supporting all this deviation. He did make some partial admissions, and that is better than nothing, but it was way too little and way too late to help hardly any victims, or fix ISKCON in any tangible way.

And the bad publicity he created will take generations to fade out and be removed from people's impressions of ISKCON. He waited far too long to make a partial restitution. And Berkeley temple ended up being transformed from a thriving community with three houses, to a ghost town with no houses, the houses being sold and all of the people in those houses scattered away, and it has been a skeleton crew basket case ever since.

And no one even knows for sure what happened to the large marble deities Hansadutta had stolen from Seattle and he had them living in his dirty shed. He broke the hearts of the devotees who missed that deity, just so the deity could be living in a shed with an alcoholic and his dirty laundry. And that is why someone said "Hansadutta wants Krishna to be living in a ghetto, so that is where Hansadutta will be living."

TAMAL’S REVISION OF THE “CHOOSE WHICH SUICIDE” INCIDENT- Tamal altered the Rama / Ravana conversations in his TKG’s Diary (p. 345-6). He cleverly alters and re-engineers the conversation; Tamal often rewrote history, and here we see his “sanitization” skills.

Compare his version below to the actual one above.

“Jagadish: Why do you want to go on parikrama?

SP: Let us call Krishnadasa Babaji and then decide. Either Ravana will kill, or Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama. If Marica doesn’t go to mislead Sita, he will be killed by Ravana; and if he goes, he’ll be killed by Rama. We gave many arguments for accepting the advice of the kaviraja.

“SP: But I think I will be cured by the parikrama.” 

Conspicuous by his absence, Tamal has removed himself from the conversation completely. He has also removed the subject of suicide and his saying “Now you have to choose which suicide.” Subtle but brutal is how Tamal attempts to re-package himself as the hero of the “final pastimes.”

We are keenly aware of his rewriting tendencies and his dark pen. Another example: he omitted very outrageous, controversial parts of his book Servant of the Servant when it was reprinted in 1991 after the zonal acharya system fell from favor.”  (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories, 1.346)

“CHAPTER 103: VARIOUS OBJECTIONS ANSWERED (Cont.)-“SRILA PRABHUPADA’S CARETAKERS HAD SO MUCH LOVE FOR HIM”

Most murders involve “loved ones” such as parents, children, spouses, relatives, business partners, etc. Hate, greed, or anger overcomes the love that is also there. We should not underestimate the allure of becoming the new Prabhupada, an absolute guru. The early eighties were a true sight to behold, unknown to the later generations of devotees, as eleven “princes” paraded themselves around with heads held high and exerting their “divine” privileges in increasingly decadent exhibitions of their impure hearts.

“There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna consciousness movement...”

“...there are many mundane persons in the dress of Vaishnavas, and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has described them as disciples of Kali. He says kali-cela.” (CC Mad 1.1.218)

Simply because someone has the dress of a devotee, wears tilak, knows the walk and the talk, does not mean he cannot be capable of killing the spiritual master for his own material benefit. It only took a few out of many thousands of loving disciples. It is accepted by many that agents of Kali entered ISKCON and conspired to remove Srila Prabhupada by poison.

It may very well be that the senior leaders surrounding Srila Prabhupada DID love Srila Prabhupada, and this is not denied, nor is it the real issue. But one (out of many) can have great love for Srila Prabhupada while having a greater love for that which became available upon his early departure.

“An honest and trusting person has to work really hard to understand the ways and means of the Ravana pretenders that Srila Prabhupada pointed out to us in Nov. 1977. The Ravanas do not think and act like we do. I was close enough to most of them for a long time to witness their duplicitous behaviors that still charms and bewilders so many.” (Naveen Krishna das, 2015) (Srila Prabhupada's Hidden Glories 1.661)

PADA: Yeah, people like Gargamuni told me that there is no way that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned -- because these leaders loved him. Ummm, nope. And after they got rid of him, they got rid of his disciples, and created a child molesting empire, and many other crimes, which would show -- they DO NOT love him or his movement. We have to judge a thing by the result, and the results here are CLEARLY horrendous just as the initial poisoning is also CLEARLY horrendous. People who do horrendous things go to horrendous future births, that is the way this works.

ys pd

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Diddy Destroyed me! / Chanting for what? / Haribolananda 11 20 24

PADA: I don't think a lot of devotees have yet been able to come to grips with how devastating mental, physical, spiritual and / or sexual abuse can be on a child. There is really a lot of denial going on. And when people told me I was like "chicken little" -- claiming the sky is falling, well sorry, the sky REALLY has been falling, and some of it is worse than what I reported in public, because some of it is too nasty to repeat in public. 

The good news is, more people are waking up to all this of many fronts. Not only in ISKCON circles, but even among Church offenders, offending celebrities, offending sports coaches -- and so on, are all getting exposed more nowadays. The bad news is, much of this is way too little and way too late to really give many victims a lot of closure, and feeling like they can turn the page and start fresh. 

A lot of damage like this simply cannot be easily repaired. One gurukula victim told me, the thing I pray to Krishna for the most is -- to leave this body -- and never, ever, ever have any memories of what happened to me here. I pretty much feel the same way. ys pd  

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PADA: Yeah I heard this a thousand times. OK ten thousand times. "Well prabhu, don't bother me with all these problems, I have to chant my rounds." Good! And what is the purpose of chanting our rounds? "My dear Lord, please engage me in Your service." 

And what happens when the need of the hour, and the "service" our society is seriously confronted with is -- to protect the women, children, the sanctity of the sannyasa order, and to contain abusers and their protectors, and other practical issues? Sorry, too busy "chanting" to engage in the "service" that is needed. This is really just shifting the responsibility of defending victims over to, the people who have the least ability to fix it, namely -- the vulnerable and victims themselves. No wonder our society got down to --"the victims have bad karma," which was launched in earnest after 1997. 

Right, the victims have the bad karma of expecting these "chanters" to give them protection. Srila Prabhupada says -- when dharma is not defended, and thus adharma becomes prominent, the society will collapse. And that is a practical fact. Meanwhile, a good number of these "chanters" around here were later on drinking beer, smoking pot, watching football, and -- worse. 

I visited the house of three former "big samkirtan book distributors" here in Berkeley, they were all drinking beer and watching football. What was the use of all their chanting? ys pd

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Haribolananda: So these caste brahmanas were so obsessed by their bodily concept of birth, so much so, that they were prepared to do anything abominable even to the point of killing a personality like Bhaktisiddhanta. Similarly, this bodily conception of physical guru has driven a certain group within Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON society to accept so many abominable things, like child abuse, rape, and even murder. 

Now, it appears that evidence is being presented that some of them were responsible for Srila Prabhupada's untimely death. All glories to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, who lives forever in His Divine instructions.

Ex-Gurukuli's Life History 11 19 24

https://anantasjournal.substack.com/p/belonging?

PADA: OK there you have it -- ISKCON, ISKCON's leaders, Mayapur -- and -- pedos and their protectors. That seems to be the consensus of many victims. 

Not surprised this fellow has gone off to another sampradaya. Also not surprised his father has had cancer. Also not surprised that this former child ended up with a lot of trauma from his whole ISKCON experience. Also not surprised the leaders are not showing much remorse -- or efforts to reach out to the victims of their process. 

Anyway, this is pretty interesting, it shows how a child perceived all this. I salute this person's bravery and honesty -- for his opening up to his history publicly. More people are bringing out their ISKCON stories nowadays and we think this has a therapeutic effect. 

Yeah, Upendranath is 78 and he is finally getting his web site together. Agreed, where have these brave warrior Bhagavad Gita fighting people been hiding all this time? And when we were addressing the bogus guru appointment, changed books, mass child mistreatment, and later on the poison issue, him and Kundali were trying to "prove" that Srila Prabhupada's idea that we originated with Krishna -- is bogus -- and they were citing all sorts of dodgy "shastra" that Srila Prabhupada never authorized, to try to prove that Srila Prabhupada is wrong.

And that helped zero percent to fix the real problems. And it just created another wave of problems artificially. Now we had to fight off the mayavada's infiltering their bogus teachings. Meanwhile this kind of stuff (below) was happening to the children. Yep, that is what happened.

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FROM ANANTA'S JOURNAL

I was born and grew up totally immersed in a newly created and embodied world of Krishna.

Abhimanyu das, My parents named me after the famous and valiant hero nephew of Krishna. My mother had been reading the famous and central story of India, the Mahabharata, and she loved this name. My parents always argue over who named me, but to me, my mother named me. Even if she did not, I give her the right and credit because she raised me.

All my earliest memories are from my time as a small child playing in or around the various “Hare Krishna” Temples and farms. I didn’t know anything else and I did not hate the experience as a child in the moment, it was an Adventure full of wonder and mystery. My life was not ordinary and I know I am who I am today because of it. However, as we grow and mature its important to reflect and look at our past with wiser eyes. Though we carry much of our past with us today, it’s necessary to let things go or re-frame their place in our lives.

In brief, I was born in LA August 5th 1988, at 6:27 AM…We moved from there only a year after I was born and embarked on a never ending saga of my father’s nightmarish luck and bad choices. Hawaii failed in 6 months. We lasted longer in Mississippi, about 3-5 years, then off to North Carolina. Lots of eye opening experiences there and a bad land deal sent us on the road. We ended up back in Mississippi often, it became a kind home even when we weren’t there and during our travels we’d stop in there to see our friends and people we actually knew.

New Talavan, just outside a small town named Picayune in Mississippi, a dreadfully boring small farm amidst pine forests and grasslands, swamps, Hillbillies and southern Baptists.

Growing up a Hare Krishna here was incredibly weird. You’re totally different but in the same place and world as the “karmis”(A term we used for people outside the cult, like Muggles in Harry potter) Being a karmi was considered “unbonafide” and we were taught not to associate or become friends with karmis.

My parents of course did not encourage or enforce this Idea. My Dad is an Irish Catholic who converted to the Hare Krsnas during the 70’s. My Mom is Portuguese and also raised Catholic. I think she only really joined the cult to marry my Dad, she lived a very private normal lifestyle, surviving the Chaos and hypocrisy openly on display in our everyday lives.

When we went on the Road for a few years, travelling all over America, We were doing “Sankirtana”( essentially pan-handling or Selling bootleg stickers/hats or other paraphernalia at Concerts and other events.

I’ve been to over I think 48 of 50 states in the America. What a crazy time!

When I was just 11 Years Old I could make over $500 dollars selling “Don’t be a dick” stickers or my favorite “Farfrompuken” I’d hit you with a citation, punch line, stickers in your hand, catch

“I’m raisin money for a soup kitchen” (half truth, I kept all the money, my dad donated a portion of his … sometimes.) Thank you very much. Rinse, repeat on the next car pulling into the field somewhere in Kentucky, until the concert starts. Head back to the and maybe wait for the blowout to hit another car lot. I learned quick.

Through all of this I was homeschooled or attended a few School pods (Iskcon Gurukulas) which were poorly staffed and poorly resourced. I’d say my education up until this point was very patchy.

I did do one year of public School in Detroit — we were there because my Dad had been diagnosed with lymphoma (cancer) and his family wanted him to be close. This was probably the best possibility for a “Normal” life our family had ever had. Even though Dad was in early stages still doing natural therapies and diets to try to cure his Cancer. He travelled on the Road part of the month to earn a living. 

I excelled in my world. I played in a football team, The school band, and had grown quite popular with my peers. My teachers loved me and I knew that there. It was probably the only time I had this kind of relationship with Teachers, (I’m actually starting to tear up remembering this right now for the first time in 24 years.) 

I loved Harper woods, my park, my school and the walk I took everyday with 4-8 of my favorite buddies. In terms of football, I loved it despite being picked for Left guard, a blocking position usually for Fat kids(I was quite fat after living on the road)… I spent a full school year here and the next year I made Full Back, a blocker / Runner. I was extremely excited for this but we moved before I ever got a chance to play. I made a lot friends but having lost contact with everyone and never returned I can’t even remember their names. Two Alex’s, Tyrone elementary 1999. 5th Grade.

My little brother Gauravani was born here. The day he was born we found out he had downs. I was shocked and It was a scary experience as a young child to have a sibling born with a disability, you don’t know what their life will be … I fell in love with him the moment I held him and I was relieved of that fear. My little baby brother, I thought he’d need me, but actually It was I that needed him to know what true Self love means.

We went back to Mississippi, spent one year there getting into a lot of trouble. Puberty onset and a very poor pool of Girls in our social world meant boys picked on boys, I was smaller but too curious. I don’t know why parents leave there kids alone so much.

Suddenly and very excitedly, We moved to India. I was 12. I spent my teens in the literal mecca for Hare Krsna people, Mayapur. A place they essentially have rudely colonized with foreigners and mounted a Giant European style Temple to be seen for miles in every direction of Rural Sacred Bengal.

I went to 3 different schools and was lucky to get out of those rather unscathed ... but uneducated. The last school I went to was after 9th Grade. I went to an ISKCON concocted so-called traditional Gurukul, invented by ISKCON'S worst Child Abuser in history … Unbeknownst to me during this time.

It wasn’t until years later that he was caught. A girl confessed he had been abusing her for years to the officials and the history of BVP swami’s abuse flooded the internet and my personal social circle. Lots of victims and buried CPO reports. Everyone was shocked and the local community here in Murwillumbah grieved the sadness of realizing we’d been following a bunch of MORONS. A terrible past that would end up casting a shadow on the whole experiment.

I still loved aspects of growing up there… I had a lot of friends at one point, and we’d get up to all kinds of fun and games. Soccer and Brazillian Jiu Jitsu was a daily thing for years. I also loved the holy tirthas and temples, the culture, the vibrancy, the languages and music. Learning how to do Vaishnava rituals, chant mantras, Hatha yoga, swim in the Ganga everyday, access to Kirtan 24/7 and attend spiritual lectures ... with a wide variety of famous pedos … I mean pedophiles and their protectors … I’m sorry I mean the world's greatest Kirtaniyas and facilitators of the “saving of the world” … Cough cough.

(The history of Child abuse in ISKCON is so bad and prevalent it will likely come up a lot in my journal. Its something you can’t just ignore or pretend isn’t an issue. I’m going through that process of finding the baby with all this bath water.)

In my teens I was adapting to this “Krishna” world and mastering it. I dived into reading all of the books they printed and then the ones those books quoted or referred to. I dug through archives and archives of lectures, letters, conversations to understand and be capable of wielding this philosophy to protect myself from manipulation and control. 

Knowledge of Sastra makes you terribly uncontrollable in this world because people are often controlled through injunctions delineated in these texts. The only way to break free from a cult is to get extremely REAL and learn it fully. I did all the practices, followed the yearly schedules of festivals and holy days. Chanting copious rounds, fasted, meditated etc. I developed my own daily puja ritual every-morning which I maintained meticulously for 20 years. My wife and I share this service now, but we aren’t as strict as we used to be. God sleeps a little more now we have a 2.5 year old boy. My Guru’s tell me he’s my Deity right now.

In my twenties I went back to America. This time my Dad was based in NYC so I’d stay with him and work the streets with him. Rockefeller center with NYC hates and paraphernalia, we really did support a soup kitchen down in Thompson square and I felt pretty capable here. I went to LA for one year and then ended up back in India where I met my wife. We fell madly in love, though in that kind of “were both super traumatized and we don’t know it yet” kind of way. We lived in NYC for almost 5 years. We got married and moved to NZ. She studied nursing and I was a high risk Youth worker. This was a very big time and i’ll write a post all about that in another post.

I experienced severe burnout and depression after nearly three years in that environment. High stress, long hours, hard hard boys. Though dealing with adults was what really got me so down. I was seeing so directly how much Childhood trauma affects the lives of people.

I took time off working and moved to Australia to reside with my Elder brother and try to get myself back in order. It wasn’t easy and I had to literally send myself to the VOID multiple times to dig through all of this trauma. Surfing, Skating, Psiclocbyin, Cannabis, Yoga, deep meditation, and my relationship to my deities, and learning how to build lasting friendships and loving relationships were all part of the process. 

I was getting to some very deep places and the desire to share this part of my life openly began …. I don’t know, maybe I should never have opened this part of my life, the hope was to0 obvious for anyone who has ever gone down the mushroom path.

I was so Naïve, belligerent, and dumb! It was 2020, just before the pandemic and I had been absolutely transformed by my experiences with Psilocybin, I needed to confess to my community that I was not ”Standard” but my insights and research was valuable for not only validating our way of life and faith, but for curing the copious amounts of abuse my generation and the generations before me were exposed to growing up Hari.

I was attempting to introduce knowledge of the true nature of psychedelics, both in terms of therapeutic and spiritual, an idea in total contradiction to standard ISKCON dogma.

I wasn’t doing this whimsically, I creating a solid case both historically and textually for the existence of sacrament in our yogic tradition. I was representing my own oral lineage and presenting what I felt were gifts.

The pandemic arrived and we started Tiny Temple, an online enterprise to share bhakti yoga and our friends doing kirtan or talking philosophy for free with the world. I dreamed of creating a platform that would sustain countless people attempting to share their faith through the arts and culture of bhakti. I was attempting to rally my friends into a revolution of Kirtan and bhakti culture, encouraging them to think for themselves, read, meditate, and explore consciousness directly.

In a sense, I was excommunicated shortly thereafter. I was refused the right to 

sing and lead in singing Krishna’s names. A blanket ban on devotees not following the "4 regs (No meat, No illicit sex, No gambling, No intoxication) had only the honest Gurukulis sidelined and made to feel like second class or worse “Offenders to the name” something considered far worse than even Sin … Social exclusion and isolation followed for years and I definitely NOT welcome in some circles ….I didn’t leave; I’m just here as the Wizard of Aus.

I do feel a bit bitter. In some sense, I feel betrayed and hurt. Childish to complain maybe, but perhaps I’ve just seen, heard, and felt enough of what is here to just say it. There are plenty of people who are simply innocent by ignorance and others are perfectly aware and helplessly seduced by the cults allure and offerings. There is truly something wrong with this place that I belonged for too long. So many can see it and yet its hard to walk way.

I didn’t really…. Instead, I tried to be transparent and allow my Hare Krsna community to accept me for who I am and what I bring, however radical it may be. Boy, was was I in for a reality check. How I was dealt with over this issue changed the course of my life and I am very grateful because without their rejecting me so rudely, cowardly, and deceitfully, I probably would still be in it.

I am still a Vaishnava, a member of the Diksa parampara of Nityananda mahajana and Jahnava devi, our practices are similar but our history and definitions differ. I learned to read and understand Bengali and Sanskrit so that I could by-pass the wall of translations, now so edited I can not affirm that are even Prabhupadas words. 

Despite this connection and even deep relationship with my Guru-Mata, I am also not a Bengali or a “Dham-vasi Vairagi”(Renunciate monk in Vraj). I am a kind of American punk rock/mystic family man, a free man first. To me, that is the application of all the wisdom gained from my practice and life long inquiry into spirituality.

You learn “wisdom” means that because the reality of life IS the divine, showing up, being present, doing your duties with love care, trying your utmost to be there for your loved ones, especially your children. To love is to live fully.

That is now where I feel I truly belong, beyond any other notion or concept, or CULT.

Until Next time
Jai Nitai

Upendranath / Yamaraja and Karma / Nityananda CH. 6 11 18 24

Upendranath Dasa

To: Disciples and followers of Srila Prabhupada

Hare Krishna, Jai Sri Nam! (new note: I wrote this a while back, and there are some things that need revising, and there are some things not mentioned, so I will soon post a completely re-written one).

I humbly request that you go to a website, which I have just launched.
The name is Saragrahi.org

I am 78 years old now, and I have had a controversial history with ISKCON leaders -- GBC’s, Gurus, Sannaysis and Temple Presidents: 1972-74 & 1975-79 in Los Angeles, in 1974 at the Juhu Beach Temporary Temple in Bombay India, and in 1993-2001 in the Krishna & Balaram Mandir in Vrindavan India. This experience has led me to re-establish this website that was on the internet in 2002-2010, with a new intent and purpose.

At the Beginning of the Website Contents Links Menu, there are 2 Links that I suggest you go through first, and they are:

1. “Essential Information & Instructions, Regarding Saragrahi.Org”

2. “Saragrahi.Org’s Specific Vision About Free Speech and Civility”

There is a Website Content Link: “f F o r u m : Essays, etc. & Poetry”; which will facilitate the posting articles, essays, papers, and Treatises, by others, which are in pursuant of the purpose and scope of this website.

I have written 3 books, and first volume of a planned 18 volume set project with target date of completion in the year 2026. The Four being posted at this are found in the Website Content Link: “4 Featured Books by Upendranath Dasa”, which contain,

1. A Treatise “Moving Forward” A Case for the Reconstitution of Srila Prabhupada’s Mission? 600 Pages. I think you might be interested in this, in particular. and you might have some appreciation for the contents. This is where I suggest that you put your energy into, so to speak, by participating in its development and refinement; for this website is dynamic in nature. (After consultation, with a colleague Vaisnava, this book will have a major re-write that will take at least until end of 2025 to complete. 

The title will remain the same; however, the intent and purpose will change dramatically, with a possible description after the title of: “Preserving and Perpetuating Srila Prabhupada Lagacy In To The Future.” This re-write and posting to the website, will be accomplished in Real-Time.

2. “Srila Prabhupada Antya-lila: 800 Pages. The Last Six Months, Was He Systematically Poisoned?” I think you will appreciate this one as well, because it is a history, that has not been told. In 1993 when I went to live in Vrindavana India, I came to possess a metal trunk, containing around 3,000 pages of type-written transcripts, from taped interview the 1980’s. 

In transcribing these into MS Word Documents, I discovered the 1st clues and evidence, that my Spiritual Master, Srila Prabhupada, “WAS POISONED”, by a plot to “hijack” his ISKCON institution, by 11 unscrupulous demonic God brothers. Hence, to make that long story short; I was the source, in 1994, of the now famous “rumor” that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. This will be the first time that my identity is revealed in regards to this rumor.

PADA: All kinds of people have been taking credit for introducing the poison issue, but when we started to distribute copies of the tape in 1997 everyone said "I never heard about this." So if someone else had the tape and was making transcripts, I did not see them then, and have not seen his -- yet? 

Mukunda and Prahlad das UK also claim they were first to introduce the tapes, but oddly, their transcript is the exact same one I made in 1997? I think they copied and pasted mine. Meanwhile Mukunda said in 1997 that Nityananda should not be involved, because Mukunda wanted to suppress the forensic investigation, which is how we got the hair sample, audio forensics etc. Sorry, this was all needed. 

Meanwhile Upendranath has not made any forensics that we know of? Meanwhile Prahlad says he supports Mukunda, i.e. we should not have worked with Nityananda to get the forensics done, to help the GBC cover this up. And Nityananda has written the best books on this topic the whole time. They want to suppress the poison complaint from a pure devotee. 

Anyway, Upendranath should be working with us on this issue, but he has never contacted me about anything -- ever. And then later on Mukunda stole our forensics info, without giving us credit, claiming he made all this. It is all about who gets credit for what -- and not, what happened to Srila Prabhupada?

3. “What Is the Eternal, Constitutional Function of The Jiva? /Soul?” 900 Pages. 

This one I do hope that you will give it some consideration; because it is a “treasure map”, that explains the “Purpose of The Human Form of Life”. 

It is Compiled from Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur’s Jaiva-dharma (1896); Just the Nectarian Knowledge (Sastra), Without the Thakur’s Novel & Stories; bascally an extraction of the Questions and Answers embedded in the novel and sub-stories.

PADA: And Prabhupada told us not to cite that book because it has been edited.

4. Bhagavad-gita As It Is: “A Treatise on Human Psychology” : Prabhupada, once said that the Bhagavad-gita is actually pure Human Psychology, and instructed one of his First Disciples, that such a book should be written, however after over 50 years have past and this Disciple, in name only, has not written this book. 

Nevertheless, in 1996, I heard this Disciple tell my Godbrother Kundali Dasa that he has no idea on how to carry out this instruction by Prabhupada, and requested that he (Kundali) do so. Moreover, Kundali, himself, has since ceased to write any further books, on the subject of the Science of Krishna. 

PADA: Kundali was saying that Srila Prabhupada's back to Godhead idea is wrong because we were never with Godhead. He is a mayavada.

At this time, I have only done the 47 Verses of the 1st Chapter, and it has turned to be a 350-page book, which is my Forth; however this project will turn out to be at least an 18 Volume Set, ranging from 300 to 600 pages each, one book for each of the 18 chapters; I expect to finish this project, by the end of 2026. 

I do need help in this project, and all that is required is that have a computer, have MS-Word, and any E-mail account, and if you got the time, and more important, "the desire!

There is also a Website Contents Link for “The 5 Aspects of Vaisnava Theory & Practice: by Kundali Dasa”, which contain these 5 books of about 300-400 Page Each:

1. “Raising Our Spiritual Standards”

2. “Variety of Dysfunctional Experience”

3. “Faith, the Analytical Mind & the Uttama-adhikari”

4. “The Heart of Reform”

5. “A Treatise: The Three Modes of Material Nature”

There is a Website Content Link for the Underground Classic “In Vaikuntha Not Even The Leaves Fall”. The origin of the Jiva Controversy in Vrindavana 1994-96, by Satyanarayana Dasa & Kundali Dasa. 369 Pages.

PADA: Yep, another Gaudiya Matha inspired document.

I have organized these lengthy works, in somewhat short Segments, in order to facilitate convenient and easy reading. All Segments have the facility for Comments, and comments to comments (more or less a “Thread” capability).

The website is yet not complete, and you will see in the 11 Website Content pages, various presentations that have been completely posted, and those that have been partially posted (remainder are a work in progress), and will be by completely posted by the end of this year, or in the early part of 2025. Nevertheless, the current website contents, encompasses 1,081 web-pages, as of May 4th 2024.

The Treatise “Moving Forward”, is an effort to begin the organization of the of likeminded devotees coming together, in a professional and organized manner, to accomplish this. I have professional experience in planning and organization, and I know that more heads are better than one. 

Why do you think that Lord Brahma has multi-heads? I have one associate, at this time, and it is my desire to have 3, 6, or 9, at least. We are not like Lord Brahma; hence, the need for 9 heads.

There are 2 Website Contents Links, “Srila Prabhupada’s Books in Audio Presentations” and “Audio Presentation of Books by Past Acaryas.”

Finally, there are Website Content Links for:

1. “Srila Prabhupada Documentary Videos,1970's”.
2. “Srila Prabhupada Disciples & Followers; Video Kirtana”.
3. “Srila Prabhupada & Disciples; Audio Kirtana”.

Thank you in advance, for your consideration, and I hope that you will come and see if Saragrahi.org is your "cup of the Science of Krishna according to Srila Prabhupada" be inspired to cooperate, and participate in this Dynamic Website, Saragrahi.org

Upendranath dasa
updindia@gmail.com

PADA: Well we are all about cooperation, but you should have asked for cooperation when you guys started to cite the mayavada jeeva origins, we could have told you that is not correct, but you did not consult with us and still don't. Unfortunately, there is a lot of "Johnny come lately" to all these efforts, and it is way too late to help most of the victims.

ys pd

angel108b@yahoo.com  

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Karma of Criticism

There was a king who was famous for distributing food to Brahmins. Once, during the distribution of food, an eagle flew over the venue where the banquet was taking place, it was clawing to a dead snake. A drop of venom accidentally fell from the snake's mouth and fell into one of the plates of food the king was handing out.

No one knew or saw what had happened, so the King just kept handing out food like nothing happened. A Brahmin who received a plate of poisoned food ate and died and it saddened the king.

One of the servants of Yamaraja (Superintendent of Death), whose service was to return karma to living beings, was confused about who should give karma for the sin of poisoning a Brahmin: it was not the fault of the eagle, who carried the dead snake in its claws, and it was not the blame Of the dead snake, the king was also not guilty, for he didn't know that the poison had accidentally fallen into the food.

Meanwhile, many other Brahmins have come to this kingdom. They wanted to meet the king Seeing a woman sitting on the roadside, they asked her: "Do you know where the king's palace is and how can we get there?" 

The woman replied, "Yes, I know." She pointed out the direction Brahmins should take. "But be careful," she added, "the king is known as a murderer of Brahmins!" 

The moment she said that, the servant Yamaraja realized who should give the karma for that Brahmin's death, and gave it to this woman!

Moral of the story:

If you criticize someone and are right in their accusations, you receive half the bad karma. But if you criticize someone and blame them undeservingly, you'll receive 100% of all the bad karma.

This story inspires us to be careful what we think or say about others.

---The Lion Guru His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisidanta Sarasvati Thakur Jagad Guru Prabhupada.

PADA: Yeah, the Berkeley police once told me in 1986, everyone who criticizes you is helping all these bogus gurus and all their child molesting, beatings and murders program. That is true, and that means the critics also share the karma, even the police know that.  

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“CHAPTER 6: SOMEBODY HAS GIVEN ME POISON (Cont.)- SECTION TWO: SOMEONE SAYS I HAVE BEEN POISONED cont. (11/09/77)- SP: (Unintelligible)... 

unknown whispers. SP: (Beng) Keu bole je poison kore dieche... hote pare. (Someone said that poison has been given... may be true.) Balarama Misra: Hmm? Kaviraja: (Hindi) Kya farmarahe hai? (What are you saying?) SP: (Hindi) 

Koi bolta hai je koi poison deya hai. (Somebody says that someone has given poison.) 

Kaviraja:Kisko?(To whom?) SP:Mujhko. (To me.)

WHY TELL OUTSIDERS BEFORE DISCIPLES? -The first and very curious question is: Why did Srila Prabhupada not raise this issue first with his own trusted and intimate disciples? Why choose Balarama Misra, whom Srila Prabhupada had not seen for a long time, and then the second person to know of it was the kaviraja, and both were outsiders? 

Why did Srila Prabhupada not simply tell Tamal, his personal secretary, or any one of his own disciples? NTIAP*(see below) has two pages arguing against the idea that Srila Prabhupada told outsiders first because he thought his disciples were the poisoners, as though the “poison theory” hinges on this detail, which of course it does not. Still, whoever he spoke to first or last, which is a side issue, Srila Prabhupada is talking of actually being poisoned.

Srila Prabhupada, who was always perfectly guided by the Supersoul in every action and spoken word, made such a shocking revelation first to outsiders, and then by default his disciples and the entire world through his tape recorder. Of course, the tapes were controlled by Tamal, so maybe Srila Prabhupada was trying to bypass the tapes that went missing under Tamal’s care. (see Ch. 63) Srila Prabhupada’s message was meant to reach beyond his circle of attendants, and perhaps he did this just to circumvent the poisoners or to ensure the news got outside his rooms and the “family.”

Tamal had for many months already set up a very tight security cordon around Srila Prabhupada. Only those screened by Tamal were allowed to see Srila Prabhupada, and most devotees, dignitaries, Godbrothers, and locals were refused entry. 

Many who came to Vrindaban to see Srila Prabhupada could not enter and were frustrated. Many of Srila Prabhupada’s old friends later said they were turned away: Nrshimananda Goswami, OBL Kapoor, Vishwambhar Goswami, Dr. Khurana, Dr. Ghosh (VRI), etc. Is it any wonder that when an opportunity arose, Srila Prabhupada asked Shastri to bring Balaram Misra and tell him about his poisoning and get the word out to the Vrindaban locals, bypassing Tamal and ISKCON? 

This is the assumption. Tamal somehow missed this tape with so much on it. Still, Srila Prabhupada treated the matter rather casually. He said in Bengali,“somebody said that someone poisoned him.” The kaviraja asked what he was saying, and Srila Prabhupada repeats himself in Hindi. 

Then, with “to me,” he confirms he is speaking of himself. Srila Prabhupada (1) is talking of actual poisoning, (2) not just the symptoms of poisoning, and (3) he states it three times. We note that there are clearly two unknown persons to which Srila Prabhupada has made reference, namely the informant (“someone”) and the poisoner (“somebody”), neither of whom are identified…….

………WHAT WAS SRILA PRABHUPADA’S PURPOSE? Why would Srila Prabhupada initiate a discussion of his own poisoning if it were not true? Did Srila Prabhupada carelessly say these things in several separate discussions (as we will see) over two days because: (1) He wanted to create confusion? (To the contrary- everything he did was for establishing the Hare Krishna Movement for the next 10,000 years, and that includes his spoken words on being poisoned.) (2) He was speculating, rambling, or just plain cranky? (forgive the outrageous suggestions.) (3) He brought up the subject of poisoning because he wanted to then later clearly state that he was NOT being poisoned? 

(This is the GBC’s ridiculous position, but this makes no sense at all.) ANSWER: None of the above are sensible explanations. He said these things because they were true and he wanted us to know that he thought he was being poisoned. That he did not aggressively pursue the matter is another discussion (see Ch. 101), and does not minimize the importance of what he did say. Perhaps the purpose to his revelation a few days before his departure was to leave the service of follow-up and investigation work to us, at least those who would take his words seriously.” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories, 1.30)

My Hell With ISKCON (Srimati Devi VIDEO) 11 17 24

PADA: Another woman wrote to PADA to complain that the ISKCON Mahatma (Gunagrahi's old pal) encouraged her to invest her money in a property in Mayapur, but she was not ever able to secure the property, so she lost all of her investment money. She ended up living in her car back in the West. 

She asked me if I could help her sue Mahatma, but I am not sure that would work if he had the money all transferred and taken to India. Anyway, as one person said "ISKCON is a den of thieves and deviants." 

And when they say all of this has been reformed and fixed, well not really. It is just that the previous victims almost all left. So they are not around to complain anymore. I really wish this woman well, she is very stalwart to still believe in Krishna after all this, many other victims lose faith in the religion wholesale. 

Good job Narada, don't let them get away with all this without being challenged.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

“Prostitution, power struggles and property theft – My ‘hell’ with ISKCON India”
PODCAST: Episode 150 – Sunday 17th November 2024

We’re pleased to welcome Srimati devi dasi as our guest on this week’s podcast.
Originally from Italy, she has spent the last decade living in India.

When she originally moved to the Holy Land all those years ago, she was excited about what her future held… only to discover what types of ‘hell’ awaited her!
Enthusiastic to serve Srila Prabhupada, she threw herself in and became connected with various ISKCON communities around India.

However, rather than experiencing ‘transcendental ecstasy’, she became the victim of theft, false accusations and all types of abuse. For the first time ever, Srimati shares her story in this week’s podcast and talks with Narada Prabhu about:

- ISKCON leaders in Mayapur stealing £50,000 of her money

- Physical abuse

- Illegal property deals and ‘land grabs’ orchestrated by ISKCON leaders

- False accusations that sent her to prison

This week’s podcast is not to be missed!

** At times, there are technical audio difficulties during this podcast – albeit minimal **

You can watch it:

- Here on Facebook

- and on YouTube at www.youtube.com/@NaradaDasUK

For more details about The Hare Krishna Project check out our website 

www.theharekrishnaproject.org.uk
#Podcast #TheHareKrishnaProject #ISKCON #PowerStruggle #India #Prostitution #Abuse #LandGrabs #Theft #Mayapur

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We were blessed to receive the Deities of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and Sri Krishna at Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir yesterday. These Deities were originally worshipped by Lord Chaitanya’s grandparents – Sri Upendra Mishra and Smt. Sobha Devi in Navadwip.

Sri Madhu Pandit Dasa and… pic.twitter.com/RgwAoI8QfY

— Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir (@VCMVrindavan) November 15, 2024

Justice for Srila Prabhupada UPDATE # 11 15 24

PADA: Handing off the "investigation of the poison issue" to GBC's executive committee clone heads, i.e. cover ups, experts in the art of obstruction, obfuscation and waffling -- like Brahma Tirtha, is just not going to produce a result that will satisfy the Vaishnavas. The GBC is always trying to run out the clock on all sorts of controversies, and this is just another example.

Something really went wrong with Srila Prabhupada's UNTIMELY departure, and we are not going to be happy seeing more cover up and obfuscation experts handling the matter. Someone told me this is the same thing with "investigations" into politicians in the USA. The "investigation" goes endlessly on and on, and lasts for 4 years, or more, and then the guy is out of office. So nothing is ever concluded and the investigation stops because he ran out the clock. 

We cannot handle Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint the same way. In other words, the GBC has already had since 1997 to "investigate" and make a sensible and concrete ruling, but none of that has ever happened because they are foot dragging the issue. We cannot rely on these foot dragging experts to come up with a rational and practical response. 

A nurse friend of mine told me, if a holy man is assassinated gradually with toxic heavy metal poison, it would be like the crucifixion -- except it would have lasted for months and maybe years instead of a few days. This nurse has handled other poison cases, sometime intentional and sometimes accidental, and she says -- "poison is one of the worst ways to cause a death." 

We need to put an end to all the foot dragging.  

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.co  

November 12, 2024

To: ISKCON GBC Executive Committee

Dear Guru Prasada Swami, Tapana Misra Prabhu and Govardhana Prabhu,
Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Hare Krsna. Thank you for your letter dated November 2nd, 2024, acknowledging receipt of our letter dated September 16th, 2024. “We are ready to meet with you and discuss the subject matter of the letter.” We are glad to hear this.
Our letter dated September 16th, 2024 included this report from Truth Labs Forensic Services-

https://justiceforsrilaprabhupadafoundation.org/.../Salie...

That letter dated September 16th also included this video-audio-text presentation, also prepared by the forensic scientists of Truth Labs-

https://justiceforsrilaprabhupadafoundation.org/.../Versi...

We were hoping that close study of that report, in conjunction with the video-audio-text presentation, would move the ISKCON GBC, including the ISKCON GBC Executive Committee, to realize that their official position, “There is no evidence at this time to support the allegations of poisoning of Srila Prabhupada”, is scientifically and rationally untenable.

We are of the view, that is supported and strengthened by the responses received by us from hundreds of sincere followers of Srila Prabhupada, that the above stated evidence is sufficient, even for a layperson, to conclude that there was foul play involved in the departure of Srila Prabhupada in November 1977. 

The contents of your acknowledgment letter, however, indicate that the GBC Executive Committee is still not ready to accept this fact but is more interested to conduct a post-mortem of the evidence with us through your institute, the Bhaktivedanta Institute for Higher Studies, as if the GBC Executive Committee is the final investigating and adjudicatory body.

The very purpose of sending the letter dated 16th September 2024 to the GBC, along with the pack of evidence, was to invite your attention to these latest credible pieces of evidence and to seek your cooperation in referring this immensely significant issue of the unnatural departure of Srila Prabhupada, to the investigating agencies for an open and fair investigation. In this way, this issue could finally see a logical conclusion and the voice of a large section of practitioners of Krsna consciousness like us who are fighting for Justice for Srila Prabhpada for a fairly long period could be heard and addressed.

We hope that the GBC Executive Committee will appreciate our concerns, that are not governed by any self-interest, and that are intended to serve the founder of the Hare Krishna Movement and ISKCON.

In this regard, we’re willing to arrange a preliminary meeting with all or some members of the GBC Executive Committee to discuss modalities for finding common ground in the interest of Srila Prabhupada, his followers, and devotees. We ask that you reply to this letter within two weeks of the date of the letter.
We hope this meets you well in service to Srila Prabhupada and his mission.

Your servants,

Naveen Krsna dasa
Dhira Govinda dasa

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“POISONING IS AFFIRMED AND ACCEPTED - 

The previous day ended with Srila Prabhupada seemingly reluctant to talk about his poisoning, but now talk of actual poisoning is again in the forefront. No longer does Srila Prabhupada say, “It’s possible.” Poisoning now has become a factual reality and everyone is quite shocked, clearly evident by the consequent flurry of conversation. 

Whether Srila Prabhupada earlier said he was in fact poisoned is now irrelevant. Everyone present proceeds to affirm and acknowledge that Srila Prabhupada was saying that he thought he had been maliciously poisoned in an attempt to kill him. The acknowledgement of malicilous poisoning is evident by 11 confirmations: 

(1) In TKG’s Diary, it is said: “Prabhupada disclosed his thoughts that someone has poisoned him.” 

(2) Bhakticharu confirms: “...he thinks that someone gave him poison here.” 

(3) The kaviraja also confirms: “...some demon has given (poison). This can happen. It’s not impossible.” 

(4) Tamal repeats: “Prabhupada was thinking that someone poisoned him?” 

(5) Bhakticharu answers Tamal’s question, “Yes.” 

(6) Then the kaviraja: “This is what he says, then there must be some truth in it. In this there is no doubt.” 

(7) Bhakticharu repeats the kaviraja’s words: “He said that when Srila Prabhupada was saying that, there must be something truth behind it.” 

(8)Tamal’s “Sheessssh!” is an affirmation. 

(9) Srila Prabhupada, while listening to all these affirmations of poisoning, never attempted to correct them, as he certainly would have done if there had been no poisoning. Srila Prabhupada confirmed their statements with no protest. 

(10) Then Tamal poses his final question to Srila Prabhupada re: poisoning, another affirmation. 

(11) They spoke about real poisoning cases- Calcutta man poisons his wife, Sankaracharya.

CONCLUSION: By the end of the poison discussions, Srila Prabhupada had still not named who had poisoned him or who told him about it. The discussion is about WHO said there was a poisoning, and it was NOT about IF there was a poisoning. There was no debate about if there was a poisoning. They all clearly acknowledged that Srila Prabhupada spoke of actual, malicious, homicidal poisoning by someone trying to kill him. By an honest examination of the poison discussions, we come to the conclusion that Srila Prabhupada believes he was poisoned. 

From the start, he said that his being poisoned was possible, and later on, he solidifies his assertion to the extent that many confirmations of his poisoning are pronounced by those around him. “SOMEONE HAS POISONED ME.”

CHAPTER 9: WHO IS IT THAT HAS POISONED? SECTION EIGHT: THERE MUST BE SOME TRUTH TO IT 

TAMAL: Srila Prabhupada, Shastriji says that there must be some truth to it if you say that. So who is it that has poisoned? (then- 13 seconds dead silence- Srila Prabhupada never answers this question)

TAMAL ACKNOWLEDGES THE POISONING Note that Tamal’s question is about WHO DID IT, not if it was done, or who told him. Tamal has now progressed to “Who did it” from his earlier “Who said it.” It has become very clear that Srila Prabhupada believes a poisoning has actually happened, and this is the cause of his “mental distress.” 

On Nov. 10, 1977, the transcript clearly shows Tamal and others acknowledged Srila Prabhupada thought he had been poisoned. Yet incredibly, the GBC and Tamal (while still alive) adamantly maintained that Srila Prabhupada said he was not poisoned, and that there is no reason to conduct any further investigation because they already investigated and found nothing to be concerned about! 

Although Tamal asserted after 1997 that there was no poisoning, the record shows he thought differently in 1977 when he clearly acknowledged the poisoning. Tamal never asked, “Who is it that has not poisoned?” And he asked this the day after Srila Prabhupada said,“He said like that, not that I am poisoned.” Even if we were to accept that Srila Prabhupada said he was not poisoned (which he did not say), still Tamal himself was so convinced on the NEXT day that he asks Srila Prabhupada who poisoned him. The final position was absolutely clear: There was a poisoning. Who did it?” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories, 1.42)

Yamuna Devi / Child Bride / Kartik / SP re: Narada (VIDEOS) 11 14 24

YAMUNA DEVI

PADA: I am sorry to hear that your daughter and her friend were in a bad car crash and Yamuna and Dinatarani just drove by and ignored your injured daughter -- because they were "the children of ritviks." And thus some "karmis" who came by -- had to stop and help your daughter and drove her to the hospital. 

I would have to agree, it means the karmis are more advanced than Yamuna and Dinatarine in that instance. And you say there are other evidences that Yamuna "could not stand the ritviks." And she also gave you other kinds of problems. This is very unfortunate. 

Well it is what it is. There has been a lot of sympathy for the molester messiahs project, and that is how ISKCON came to be what it came to. Yes agreed, people like Yamuna should have been at the forefront of defending Srila Prabhupada's worship and attacking the worship of homos, pedos, porno swamis, drunks, drug addicts, deviants and criminals as "Krishna's successors." 

Srila Prabhupada says -- a person who has uncontrolled senses has to go to the darkest regions. What happens to the people who promote persons with uncontrolled senses as -- Krishna's acharyas? These people are in severe illusion.  

And that explains why ISKCON leaders still advertise her even now, she has been more in their camp. She self evidently never understood the siddhanta properly. Agreed. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

 

PADA: Thanks prabhu. Yeah, some of the parents were just as bad as the leaders, not taking responsibility for their dependent citizens. Agreed. ys pd 

ange108b@yahoo.com

Analysis of Krishna's Conjugal Pastimes (VIDEO)

 

Lokasaranga Departs / Living Guru's Baffling Comment 11/13/24

HH Lokasaranga Maharaja just disappeared on Kartik shukla Ekadashi--Devotthana--and at Radha Kunda where he spent years and years chanting the Holy Names day in and day out. Pray that we can follow in his holy footsteps in some future life.

THIS IS AN ADVANCED DISCIPLE OF SHRILA PRABHUPADA.

(PLEASE ALSO SEE THE COMMENT BELOW OF BHAKTA DASA, WHO WAS HIS TP BACK IN SAN FRANCISCO, 1970s )

Meet Shri Lokasaranga dasa aka His Holiness Bhakti Prabhat Maharaja. That's him with the long beard, pictured next to the legendary Guru Kripa dasa. His Holiness Bhakti Prabhat has been living in a hut at Radha Kund for many decades, He sleeps and eats little, and spends all day chanting Hare Krishna japa. This has been his schedule since the 1970s.

One devotee just posted that many years back Lokasaranga Prabhup cooked an ecstatic feast for a group of devotees that was out of this world, Yet he did not take a bite due to being fearful of actually enjoying the taste.

Of all of my Godbrothers, he is the one I would call a true Rupanuga., a real followers of the 6 Goswamis. If you are going to Vrindavana, see if you can meet him and try to find some seva you can perform for him, That will not be easy since he naturally refuses any service., Just keep trying.

We are less than particles of dust at his lotus feet.

I only met him once,. and that was just for a few moments around 1983. He was walking on the streets of Loi Bazar in Vrindavana. I was so impressed by his humility I remember him to this day.

CC Madhya 22.54

'sādhu-saṅga', 'sādhu-saṅga'--sarva-śāstre kaya
lava-mātra sādhu-saṅge sarva-siddhi haya

"The verdict of all revealed scriptures is that by even a moment's association with a pure devotee, one can attain all success.

PADA: A few devotees told me they met Lokasaranga at Radha Kunda and he was favorable to our idea of making Srila Prabhupada the current acharya. So evidently, he was a type of Prabhupadanuga. But he was not really actively preaching about that, and I was told to keep his name out of this. 

One thing that has mystified me personally for so many years is -- when we said there are MAJOR problems that need to be fixed in ISKCON -- many times -- or all most all of the time -- most devotees would respond with "I can't get involved, I have to chant my rounds." 

OK sounds like a good plan -- except -- we are chanting our rounds to ask Krishna to give us service. Suppose the service Krishna wanted us to do is -- to make sure deviants and pedos are not sitting in our guru's temple on giant Vyasa seats. And they are being covered with flower garlands, while they are creating a program of banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating dissenters, thereby making a huge public media scandal in all the world's news medias. 

And in sum, these false gurus are orchestrating -- a mass child mistreatment process for the children, and numerous other crimes, while we are all sitting around doing essentially nothing -- except chanting to ask God for service -- while all these crimes are going on left, right and center. We are asking Krishna to give us some service, but we are not doing the service that is most needed. 

OK well never mind, who cares. We will leave that "service" to no one, and let ISKCON go to hell in a hand basket, and let our guru's books be hatchet job edited etc. and just chant to -- ask God for service. What service? Wait? Isn't that supposed to be our service, to keep ISKCON free of deviants and deviations, and imperiling Krishna's little children? 

Yep, I just don't get it. The ship is sinking, and people are sitting in deck chairs as the water starts to flow around them on their deck seats -- and instead of taking action -- they are sitting around doing -- just about nothing. They are asking God to give them service -- when they should be making a bucket brigade to bail out the sinking ship, and be emergency manning the bilge pumps, to save the ship from sinking. Of course many of them engaged in the service of tripping me up when I was trying to bucket out the water. 

God please give me service! Ummm, but the service we are supposed to be doing, is not being done. And so, the ship sinks, and many people on the ship -- like the children -- are going under -- while these "chanting" folks sit around asking God to give them service, but maybe God already gave them service, and they failed to do it. And thus, the responsibility for allowing or enabling the ship's sinking is -- on their karma's record book. 

Of couse then we have the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Mathura Pati guys "oh no Puranjan is upsetting our favorite anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club because, he is not sitting around with us and chanting his rounds, while we are watching the ship sink, and the children on the ship getting drowned. Why should we save children when we can ask God for service. And our service is? To harass and STOP anyone who IS saving the children." 

Umm, sorry, if we pray for service, and do not do the service when it comes up on the horizon, then we have failed to understand why we were chanting for service in the first place. God give me service! But don't expect me to do any actual service. Yep, baffling.

Having said all that, we wish this soul God speed towards Krishna. He is done with all the issues and problems here and he has moved on. We wish him well. Hopefully, all that chanting will get him engaged in service to Krishna. 

ys pd

angel108b@yahoo.com 

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Only by direct association

"There is two type of sound. One is material sound and the other is spiritual sound (sabda brahman). What sadhu speaks is not material sound. Also what Bhagavan speaks is not material sound. Sabda brahman is Krsna in the form of sound. So we should hear sabda brahman. But it is not the same to hear it by some media (Dvd, tape recorder, youtube...) or hearing directly.

...Guru mukha padma vakya, cittete koriya aikya...- my only desire is to hear the words emanating from the mouth of the spiritual master. Sadhu gives mercy by three things: by his glance, by his speech and by his heartly blessings, but you can get them only in the direct presence. Gurudev used to say: `Black box (tape recorder) will cheat you!` The meaning is that you can get the knowledge by them, but not the deep inside feeling. That you can get only by the direct sanga (association)."

Srimad Bhaktivedanta Damodara Maharaja

PADA: I see this all the time with the Gaudiya Matha, Narayan Maharaja, Gaura Govinda et al. folks. We cannot just read Prabhupada's books and hear his tapes, we need to hear from "the living person." 

Great. And the living persons are the people Narayan Maharaja supported like Tamal Krishna swami, founder father of the illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's club. We need to listen to the founders and cheer leaders of the Andy Warhol and Timothy Leary guru sampradaya process, and not listen to the pure devotee? Baffling. ys pd