Mayesvara melt down as he cites Mathura Pati 03 21 25

PADA: ISKCON GBC guru defender Mayesvara says there are 100% no symptoms of poison, and 100% there are symptoms of poison -- simultaneously. He is arguing with his own shadow. OK another GBC friendly person's mental melt down process. Keeps happening more these days!

Hanuman Dasa: -- Mayesvara says: “When I eventually did get to see a photo of Srila Prabhupada that some body had taken, he was skin and bones, and it was shocking, it was like “Oh my gosh! Prabhupada looks like he has been poisoned!”

That was many peoples first impression, “he looks like he’s been poisoned!”
There were people who hadn’t seen him, they had travelled a long way, and they would come into his room and say, “Prabhupada you look like you have been poisoned.”

And that’s why Srila Prabhupada said, “someone says that I have been poisoned.”
So here Mayesvara repeatedly informs us that disciples (including himself) felt that Srila Prabhupada looked like he was poisoned and openly declared this, even to Srila Prabhupada! After hearing these declarations multiple times, Srila Prabhupada raised concerns declaring, “someone says that I have been poisoned.”

But then Mayesvara cites Mathura Pati's site to prove that "PADA is a liar." OK we keep getting GBC guru folks -- or promoters of the GBC's homosexual and pedophile guru program (like Mayesvara) -- to send me links to this guy's (Mathura Pati / in orange coat) web site and / or Prahlad's (Paul Coats) site. Hmm, whose side are they on? 

It seems the Prabhupadanugas EU site is compromised with the GBC folks, which is why the GBC ilk keep citing them to me. The party that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas has found a hero to defend their program -- Prabhupadanugas EU! Oh yeah, they also poison pure devotees. 

Prabhupadanugas EU asks "Who is PADA"? Well we are the people who say it is not a good idea to worship homosexuals and pedophiles as God's messiahs. The next question is, why does Prabhupadanugas EU combat PADA, and promote the cheer leaders of the homosexual and pedophile messiahs project? And guru poisoners party? 

Oddly, someone told me Mathura Pati does not understand these issues. He does not understand that promoting the cheer leaders of homosexual and pedophile worship and guru poisoner's program is wrong, when any dog eating karmi knows it is wrong? How can he not know it is wrong is the actual question. Of course, all sorts of GBC folks always say to me "well we did not know" (pedophile worship is bogus). 

Of course, they MUST know that their program of promoting the cheer leaders of homosexual and pedophile messiahs is wrong. I am not buying that they do not know. But it is the same as the GBC folks, they also either know this is all wrong or ... how can they not know as well? 

Yep. It is somewhat amazing that some "Krishna devotees" evidently do not know that it is wrong and sinful to help or promote the ISKCON GBC guru defenders of the post-1978 homosexual and pedophile guru program, when even the dog eater society knows this is sinful. 

So many devotees have told me this over the years, "OK sure, it is a homosexual and pedophile guru program, no question, but so what, what is the big deal all about prabhu"? Really? Lets stop PADA from protesting! OK maybe 2,000 kids were abused, Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned, and yeah -- what is the big deal here indeed!

Sorry! A devotee of Krishna should ALREADY know that he should not promote those who are promoting homosexuals and pedophiles and assorted deviants as Krishna's guru successors. But even the karmis know this. 

Sometimes people ask me "who are you to criticize"? I once wrote to a UK devotee named Michael Powell (Mahavidya?) and told him we should go after the GBC's homosexual and pedophile worship process. He wrote angrily back to me very upset -- challenging me, "who the hell are you, you are not my boss, you are a nobody, you use bad language" etc. Oh no, we should not be using bad language when children are suffering from anal reconstructive surgery epidemics!

OK never mind, we will just expose them ourselves in other venues, and we are. But on no account did Michael EVER say, hey -- you are wrong. Nope, he knows he cannot challenge the facts. Bad language -- perhaps, but not bad facts.

Who am I? Hee hee, nobody really, but since Krishna does not approve of bogus people posing as His guru successors, and He says he casts such false religionists into the darkest regions, it is pretty much ALL of our duty as His parts and particles to agree with Him, and to thus challenge bogus people posing as His successors. Otherwise, we too are cast into a dark place for acquiescing with all these dark forces. I was reading Manu Samihita recently, the people who allow evil are almost as guilty as the people committing the evil.

In sum, Krishna is counting on us particles to do His dirty work and challenge these bogus out croppings posing as His pure representatives. Again! Otherwise we become implicated in acquiescing. 

As one devotee was telling me recently, these types of false devotees are asuras and have a long way to go to elevate to the modes of ignorance, where they at least worship someone like Jesus. Any Joe six pack on the street ALREADY knows that helping promote homosexual and pedophile messiahs projects is sinful, but not these guys! Therefore, followers of the GBC's pedophile messiahs program send me Mathura Pati's materials all the time, because evidently they are pedophile lover's club's team mates.  

Mathura Pati says -- the reason he is promoting his homosexual and pedophile messiahs club's cheer leader pals is -- they oppose PADA. And that explains why GBC people keep sending me links to his site, birds of the same feather. Of course all of the cheer leaders of homosexual and pedophile worship will oppose PADA. Duh-oh! Mathura Pati has to promote the pedophile messiah's program's cheer leaders to oppose PADA, and asura princes promoted Kamsa 5,000 years ago to oppose Krishna. What good is that producing?

Of course Mathura Pati's hero GBC cheer leader Bhakta das was also arrested for some sort of sex crimes in Puri India, and he was busted for selling (potentially harmful) designer drugs in the USA. Some say those drugs can cause spontaneously abortion miscarriages. And these are the people Mathura Pati wants us to promote as his authorities on spiritual life! 

Fine choice of shiksha gurus here! 

OK also promoting Gaudiya Matha's gurus and Saint Radhanath. Then Mathura Pati's pal Prahlad complains -- PADA is not promoting Saint Radhanath's cheer leaders -- which is -- disturbing the unity of the Prabhupadanugas! It is always the same thing with these guys, we have to unite under the banner of promoting their cheer leaders of the process of burying homosexuals and pedophiles in the dham. Neine danke!

Yep, PADA is not a fan of burying homosexual pedophiles in the dham, so he is destroying the unity! That means they cannot find anyone else to protest PADA -- except these types of deviants. But I do love Mathura Pati's honesty, he admits he has to lick the jackboots of his favorite homosexual and pedophile messiah's program cheer leaders to challenge PADA. Another devotee was saying, there is unity here, they will all unite together on patala loka! 

Sulochana and me also used to say -- the hand maidens of the GBC's molester messiah's program like Mathura Pati are -- giving children an anal reconstructive surgery epidemic. Mathura Pati (above in orange coat) says PADA is bogus for opposing that program. Yep. Sulochana used to also say this is "anal sex pooja." 

And no one (like PADA) should oppose anal sex pooja! Who knew! For their part, Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur has never explained why they told PADA -- our opposing child beatings and rapes of Krishna's children "has no credibility," whereas defenders of the child abuse program ARE credible -- according to Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur's folks and HKC top cheer leaders like Prahlad das (Paul Coats). 

Umm wait, you mean homosexual and pedophile messiah's clubs are bona fide and credible, while anyone who opposes is not bona fide? No wonder the GBC's people love these guys, and cite them. And no wonder there has been so many children victims of their process. This is going to fly well at Yamaraja's court. We had to promote the cheer leaders of a homosexual and pedophile messiah's program, to defeat PADA, because he does not promote our rubbish ideas! 

Mayesvara Dasa

The reason I am disregarding PADA is he isn't capable of having a civil discussion and embellishes everything he says to suit his own temperment. (Just like Nico in fact!) I have caught him several times misrepresenting facts to suit just to boost his own over inflated ego. It is also clear by how he is responding to my comments, he doesn't even understand them or anything regarding the concept of jurisprudence. 

Yes. He does attract the media who want to join in his campaign to denigrate Lord Caitanyas movement and with that as their goal he is the right person for them to hang out with. But for those who understand how offensive it is to blaspheme those who have dedicated their lives to the propagation of the holy name, he is NOT the guy to be listening to. This is not just my personal opinion, it is a well known reputation he has widely earned, as is evident by the many testimonies provided here:

WHO IS PURANJANA – PADA – PART I

https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?

PADA: One thing these people also keep forgetting is -- personal attacks on me does not change the facts: many children have been abused; the books have been changed; Srila Prabhupada complains of poison, etc. These facts remain and will not change despite attacking the messenger. As my law enforcement friends have told me, attacking you (PADA) is ENABLING all these crimes to go on in ISKCON. 

So if people are proud of enabling mass child molesting, changing the books of the guru, and aiding and abetting the Judas poisoners sabha, so be it. That is their problem, their destiny and their karma.   

But yeah! Thanks Mayesvara for all that. OK Prabhupadanugas EU is run by Mathura Pati dasa -- and he says that PADA is doing the wrong thing by taking children away from a program where Krishna's children are being starved, beaten and raped. Mathura Pati cites cheer leaders of the child beating and raping messiah's club as his shiksha guru authorities.  

And Mathura Pati says he is with HKC Jaipur. Sorry, even people who cook and eat dogs in China know that child beatings and rapes of children programs need to be opposed. Some folks have said, these people are less than Tamas guna, they are supporters of evil programs that attack children.

For his part Prabhupadanuga EU friend Prahlad das said he is going to sic the molester messiah's enforcers upon me -- to do my physical harm, or maybe kill me. The defenders of the child beatings and rapes programs are very violent against the Vaishnavas, which is why we had to help the FBI investigate various murders that their program has been doing. So they want to promote the Radhanath program cheer leaders, ooops, same program that iced Sulochana and wanted to ice me.

I cannot post comments from victims when they comment on pedophile guru club defenders, because I try to tone down the language here. Prahlad was also crying that PADA was taking away funds from his favorite molester messiahs project, because now his favorite homosexual and pedophile messiahs project folks won't have a golden Cadillac! It is amazing that a program that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas needs to have big Cadillacs for its leaders, or else the people kissing the jack boots of the leaders like Prahlad will be crying. 

Oh no, my favorite program in the universe, the illicit sex with men, women and children pooja messiahs project, will not have its leaders riding in Cadillacs! I gotta go cry now! Sheesh, someone gimme a kleenex so my buckets of tears don't go all over! Anyway, these people are all the same, and that is why they promote each other. And when they promote each other, then thousands of children have had to suffer the consequences of their process. 

Well sorry, we are not liars, we said our opponents are defenders of poisoner and pedophile programs, and -- they are. And more and more and more people are agreeing every day. They know that, hence, they are having melt downs. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

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krishna1008: Mathura Pati's "International Hare Krishna Movement" etc. 03 27 24

SP: The kṣatriya, or the man who is qualified to protect the sufferers, is meant to rule the state. Untrained lower-class men, or men without ambition to protect the sufferers, cannot be placed on the seat of an administrator. Unfortunately, in the Age of Kali the lower-class men, without training, occupy the post of a ruler by strength of popular votes, and instead of protecting the sufferers, such men create a situation quite intolerable for everyone. Such rulers illegally gratify themselves at the cost of all comforts of the citizens, and thus the chaste mother earth cries to see the pitiable condition of her sons, both men and animals. That is the future of the world in the Age of Kali, when irreligiosity prevails most prominently. And in the absence of a suitable king to curb irreligious tendencies, educating the people systematically in the teaching of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam will clear up the hazy atmosphere of corruption, bribery, blackmail, etc. -SB 1.17.27

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Sunday March 23 5pm Eastern Time

Monday March 24 10am NZT

Dhira Govinda (Dr David B. Wolf) joins us in this episode to discuss Srila Prabhupada's hypothesis that someone gave him poison.

We will examine what Srila Prabhupada's hypothesis was, how followers should handle it, and what investigation has been done to validate or invalidate this hypothesis.

Many theories have been developed from this hypothesis, but we will be starting from first principles, and proceeding carefully step-by-step using the philosophical tools given to us by Srila Prabhupada himself, examining the strength and caveats at each point.

This will be a rigorous vada - a structured philosophical discussion aimed at discovering truth. Get ready for a fresh take that cuts through the complexity and brings illumination to the topic.

Dhira Govinda is the Vice President of the Justice for Srila Prabhupada Foundation. He is the Founder of the ISKCON Central Office of Child Protection and was its Director from 1998 – 2004. He is the author of "Krsna, Israel, and the Druze: An Interreligious Odyssey", "Relationships That Work: The Power of Conscious Living", and "The Power of Bhakti: Ancient Spiritual Science for the Modern Distracted Mind".

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Sunday March 23 5pm Eastern Time

Ep #55. Srila Prabhupada's hypothesis that someone gave him poison | feat. Dhira Govinda das

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To: ISKCON GBC Executive Committee (GBC EC) 03 20 25

PADA: I don't see the GBC readily admitting there was a problem with Srila Prabhupada's departure. That would essentially dismantle their entire post-1978 guru system, by claiming the founders were corrupt or even -- murderers of their own guru. Not likely something any of them would want to admit.

Of course, all along they are reluctant to admit many other faults, such as -- their gurus are falling into scandals. And there is often a huge effort to keep these guru guys in office even after some scandal has been discovered. Anyway, the Justice for Srila Prabhupada committee is doing a good job of exposing this issue, and we look forward to them increasing the pressure on the GBC. Meanwhile more people are accepting that Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint is about a factual poisoning event, and that spread of information cannot be stopped. ys pd  

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Dear JW: I have no need to use argumentum ad hominem, nor do I. When I was having the GBC sued for $400,000,000, Mayesvara was one of the GBC people grimacing and glaring at me on Watseka. They have no ability to communicate on these issues, they have to stand behind a wall of lawyers. 

Had they listened to me in 1979, when I told them the children issue is going to eventually create a crisis, that would have saved them from being sued. Instead, in 1979 they removed me from the society. Then I had them sued in 1986 in Dallas for child mistreatment and we won that case hands down, and I warned them we would be back if they did not fix this. They didn't. I said there is a child mistreatment problem, a book changing problem, and a Srila Prabhupada complaint problem, and -- there is. 

The evidence speaks for itself. GBC gurus like Trivrikrama swami calling me "the junkyard dog of ISKCON," has not helped them change people's opinion from accepting my arguments. If everything I am saying is false, that does not explain why they could not say one word in the Dallas courts when we had them sued, twice, they had to plead no contest? If there is no contest, then that means -- I am correct and they cannot prove otherwise. Calling me the junkyard dog has proved -- nothing. ys pd

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March 19th, 2025

To: ISKCON GBC Executive Committee (GBC EC)

Dear Members of the ISKCON GBC EC,

Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Hare Krsna. We request that communications between the ISKCON GBC EC and Justice for Srila Prabhupada Foundation Inc. (JFSPF) in regards to Srila Prabhupada’s departure pastime are directly with you, the GBC EC, rather than through your deputed representatives. In that regard, we ask that we arrange a meeting between the members of the GBC EC and the JFSPF.

That meeting could be via internet (eg., zoom video), as that might be relatively more convenient and easier to arrange, and we’re open to and ready for the possibility that our meeting is in-person, if our schedules and situations reasonably allow for that. We request that this meeting between us takes place before April 5, 2025, and we’d like that meeting to be recorded.

Brahmatirtha Prabhu, representing the GBC EC, wrote on February 27, 2025, “I guess this closes the issue”. We are in agreement with him, that, whatever effectiveness may have resulted from the GBC EC communicating with us through the Executive Director of the Bhaktivedanta Institute for Higher Studies as your (GBC EC) representative, has likely run its course, and has come to closure. In a letter from Dhira Govinda dasa to Brahmatirtha Prabhu, dated March 12, 2025, that was copied to the ISKCON GBC EC, Dhira Govinda dasa wrote, “I’ve appreciated our communications on the topic of Srila Prabhupada’s departure pastime, dating back to May 2024, and including our correspondences in more recent weeks, when you’ve been officially representing the ISKCON GBC EC”.

If you, the GBC EC, would like, we’ll share in more detail, when the GBC EC and JFSPF meet and speak, regarding how come it’s clear to us that communications between the GBC EC and JFSPF, from now on, will be best done directly, rather than through representatives of the GBC EC.

On Feb. 27, 2025, Brahmatirtha Prabhu wrote, “You keep referring back to GBC statements of 20 years ago about no evidence. If the GBC believed there was NO evidence then they would have not have tasked Balavanta. The GBC statement can be adjusted…” The GBC resolution that states, “There is no evidence at this time to support the allegations of poisoning of Srila Prabhupada”, is from 2000. And, importantly, that GBC resolution is current, present. It is the GBC’s current, official position, not merely past history.

We appreciate hearing from Brahmatirtha, “The GBC statement can be adjusted”. We’re understanding from Brahmatirtha that that resolution does not actually reflect the GBC’s stance. And so, we request and suggest that the GBC rescind that resolution (GBC Resolution 617, Year 2000).

Also we ask that you publicly revoke the GBC’s official statement from December 2017, where you, the GBC, state that there is “no credible evidence” to support the viewpoint that Srila Prabhupada was criminally poisoned, and that the stance that Srila Prabhupada was given poison with homicidal intent is “ghastly” and “monstrous”, based on “pseudo-scientific arguments” and no “reliable science”. That GBC statement from December 2017 is found at

https://iskconnews.org/response-to-poison-allegation/

Our hope and wish is that the ISKCON GBC and JFSPF will cooperate towards the realities of Srila Prabhupada’s departure pastime becoming revealed to the worldwide community of Srila Prabhupada’s followers and supporters. We’ll continue our efforts for these truths to be known, and we’d like to do that conjointly with you. Regardless of whether you choose to meet and speak with JFSPF, and to collaboratively discuss, we will move forward. In this regard, we cite a section from the letter we wrote to the GBC EC on September 16, 2024.

“We take this opportunity to bring to your awareness that litigation in multiple jurisdictions and media campaigns have been proposed and are being planned in connection with the rigorously validated scientific findings related to the realities of Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance pastime. These findings confirm Srila Prabhupada’s own words about the circumstances surrounding his departure.”

We look forward to hear from you soon, and to meet and speak with you, and we wish you well in service to Srila Prabhupada and his movement.

Your servants,

Naveen Krsna dasa

Justice for Srila Prabhupada Foundation- President and Director

Dhira Govinda dasa

Justice for Srila Prabhupada Foundation- Director

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Sunday March 23 5pm Eastern Time

Monday March 24 10am NZT

Dhira Govinda (Dr David B. Wolf) joins us in this episode to discuss Srila Prabhupada's hypothesis that someone gave him poison.

We will examine what Srila Prabhupada's hypothesis was, how followers should handle it, and what investigation has been done to validate or invalidate this hypothesis.

Many theories have been developed from this hypothesis, but we will be starting from first principles, and proceeding carefully step-by-step using the philosophical tools given to us by Srila Prabhupada himself, examining the strength and caveats at each point.

This will be a rigorous vada - a structured philosophical discussion aimed at discovering truth. Get ready for a fresh take that cuts through the complexity and brings illumination to the topic.

Dhira Govinda is the Vice President of the Justice for Srila Prabhupada Foundation. He is the Founder of the ISKCON Central Office of Child Protection and was its Director from 1998 – 2004. He is the author of "Krsna, Israel, and the Druze: An Interreligious Odyssey", "Relationships That Work: The Power of Conscious Living", and "The Power of Bhakti: Ancient Spiritual Science for the Modern Distracted Mind".

STAY TUNED! Sita Pati Video: https://www.youtube.com/live/1ZZDH4EJDzI?si=EsJnnjudbxtK4w_s

Sunday March 23 5pm Eastern Time

Ep #55. Srila Prabhupada's hypothesis that someone gave him poison | feat. Dhira Govinda das

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Dhira Govinda (Dr David B Wolf) joins us in this!

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Dayanidhi das vanacari: Demon in the Dress of Devotee? 03 19 25

 

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THE VIOLENCE OF DAYANIDHI DAS VANACARI

Orlando Cecchini aka Dayanidhi das Vanacari runs the ISKCON temple in Athens, 

Greece, named after Sri Prabhupada Loka.

He poses as a pure devotee, he has even learnt Srila Prabhupada's entire life by heart, but only because he believes that this way no one can oppose him and he can pass as a great pandit. Fortunately, and to his chagrin, Dayanidhi the ‘choke’ did not get too high in his career. Those who know him well know that he is one of the great scourges of Italian and now Greek ISKCON.

We have already told you how Dayanidhi has already swindled so many Krishna devotees, including Govardhana Puja Prabhu and the devotees of Genoa. A poor old man also fell into his net and he squeezed him to the bone, even taking away his pension before he finally kicked the bucket.

We have also repeatedly pointed out his fraternal friendship with the notorious paedophile Michele Rombola' alias Mayapurchandra dasa, former president of the ISKCON temple in Puri before being banned for life from all the temples of the movement for having sexually abused a 12-year-old girl, daughter of Yadubar das (disciple of Srila Prabhupada).

We have already mentioned that horrible story of when it was Daya who covered up the murders of male calves by a certain Aldo, a breeder linked first to the Genoa temple and then to the Savona temple.

But the most devastating and atrocious episode happened when, around the mid-1980s, Dayanidhi das Vanacari, with the cigarette lighter of his car caused four serious burns on the body of the then very young Sanaka Rsi who was in the car with him. The child's only fault was that he was a little too lively.

Any child of the Villa Vrindavana gurukula at the time can confirm this incident. In fact, Sanaka's companions such as Draupada (Donatello Zanovello), Acarya called Aci and his wife Gopalprasada (respectively Matzyavatara Prabhu's right-hand man and secretary) and Gadhadara still remember it very well. But also Krsna lila, Krishna's daughter Caitanya das, Parameswara, Pancaratra das and also Pandu Putra Prabhu (Srila Prabhupada's disciple).

It has to be said that Sanaka's father and mother (including her two sisters Sradha and Sruti) also saw her injuries and the serious incident was also reported to the authorities. It is not known exactly whether the family was threatened or there was a plea bargain, what we do know is that after a while it was never spoken of again.

Some say that Sanaka never even received a letter of apology from Dayanidhi after the very serious incident. Nowadays, Sanaka Rsi successfully fights daily for the rights of abused children within the ISKCON movement.

In reality, Dayanidhi is a creep and sounds like a rattlesnake when he speaks.
In the 1990s Dayanidhi had a real fixation with sex, in fact many people remember an incident when he had illicit sex in a car with a Bhaktin when they had just left for sankirtan.

Or when in 1995 he stung a Bhaktin who was only 18 years old and was later saved thanks to the intervention of a devotee. In those years Dayanidhi was even in the running to get Sannyasa, but his penchant for young girls was officially reported to the foreign GBCs and nothing more was done about it.

Dayanidhi is the one who knows all the skeletons in the wardrobe of the mafioso Massimo Brioli Madhusevita Prabhu, GBC chief of the Italian ISKCON.

In fact, he is aware of the money that was sent to Switzerland with the briefcases and knows all the details of the sale of the Villa Vrindavana gurukula. The ‘loan shark’ is aware of all the shady dealings of the Italian Yatra, if he opens his mouth all hell breaks loose.

That's why Madhusevita instead of chasing him away has seen fit to protect him by treating him like a senile uncle who can't be kept at home but must be protected. It was Madhusevita's decision to exile him to Greece, ensuring him a monthly pension in exchange for his silence.

Some time ago we received a testimony from the devoted Eyona Tsolaki (see screenshots) who knows Dayanidhi very well and who works as an ISKCON volunteer with him in Athens, Greece.

She has known him for about two years and has also donated a lot of money to him, thus satisfying his constant and pressing demands. In fact, she also claims to know Paola Bonetti aka Bhaktin Paola in depth, who together with Dayanidhi is focused on raking in money at all costs and from whoever comes her way.

Eyona confides to us that she initially believed Paola to be Dayanidhi's wife because she caught them in overly affectionate behaviour many times. This confirms the already known rumours that Dayanidhi, while wearing orange, very often calls his sweet viper Paola ‘love’.

Bhaktin Paola has a very bad temper and is not ashamed to charge 30 euros for simple Indian incense, just as she did with our friend Eyona. Tsolaki, who also often helps with the sale of books (at great expense) on the streets of Athens, also told us an anecdote. Once a homeless old man came to the temple wanting to buy the Bhagavad Gita but did not have much money on him.

Dayanidhi sold him the holy book without even giving him a discount, leaving him with no money to eat. According to the girl, it would have been fairer to give the book to the poor man. Eyona states that Dayanidhi's greed is one of the reasons why curious people who approach the temple then never return.

She ends the valuable testimony by saying that her experience with the thug Dayanidhi das Vanacari and his girlfriend Bhaktin Paola in Greece led her to think that the ISKCON movement is a big fraud and nothing else. If you also have the impression that this Dayanidhi is one of those demons disguised as devotees mentioned by Srila Prabhupada, you are not that far from the truth.

Missing Tapes / Kali's Religious Wars 03 18 25

 

 https://youtu.be/GdfWbNm8JWw?si=7PI_5QQwuB4b0KO6 

Gangaputra Pitamaha Das

Srila Prabhupada's Missing Tapes 

In this ompelling video, Dhira Govinda Prabhu (David B Wolf Ph.D.) explores the difficult topic of the suspicious disappearance of some of Srila Prabhupada's audio recordings from 1977, shedding light on a controversial chapter in ISKCON's history. Key Topics Discussed: 

• Testimony from Rajasekhara Prabhu about the missing tapes. 

• The critical role of preserving Srila Prabhupada's teachings for future generations. 

• Unusual gaps in the recording patterns during Srila Prabhupada’s final year. 

• Allegations of Tamal Krishna Goswami’s involvement in destroying some audio tapes. 

• Theories on the content of the missing tapes, including discussions on poison allegations. 

• A call for viewers to reflect on transparency and trust in organizational leadership. This video provides a balanced and thought-provoking analysis of a sensitive issue within the Hare Krishna community. It encourages open dialogue and further investigation into the preservation and potential manipulation of spiritual legacies. Whether you are a devoted follower of Srila Prabhupada or a student of religious history, this exploration offers valuable insights into the complexities of spiritual succession and institutional integrity. 

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PADA: Thanks prabhu. Yeah I agree that Israel looks bad for wiping out Gaza, and now wiping them out again. And we look bad for arming them. These Hamas type guys come out of tunnels, shoot the crap out of the Israel guys, then sneak back to the tunnels, knowing the civilians are now going to get clobbered because they are near the entrance where they came out of the tunnels. 

It almost looks like the Jihadi guys are hoping a bunch of civilians will be wiped out, to show how bad their opponents are. But what good does that accomplish? I don't honestly see any.

In sum, I see little to no regard for the lives of the above ground citizens by these guys hiding in the tunnels. That does not mean I endorse Israel either, but making the civilians into a human shield in this situation is not very helpful. It is just making it way worse for the civilians, as if it could get any worse for them. OK the guys in the tunnels already know the civilians are going to be bombarded.

Meanwhile 1,000 Alawites were wiped out by other Arabs, and not much of the other Arab nation's media made much complaints? It seems to me they mainly complain when someone -- other -- than Arabs are taking out fellow Arabs. But when Arabs take out other Arabs, where is the protest? 

All kinds of Arab land refugees are fleeing here there and everywhere from their own internal fighting, but it does not look like a whole lot of protest ever happens? Nor do we see much protesting of the guys in tunnels coming out and making the civilians suffer the consequences. 

So I would say, the people who are making a Jihad all the time are not helping themselves or their citizens. Now the citizens have no house, no heating, no electricity, no running water, no sewer, no stores to buy food or goods, and this is a giant win! 

They are "winning" by having their own cities being reduced to rubble, and that is a sign of victory. Now Russia is also artillery leveling their own cities in Kursk, reducing them to rubble, and claiming that is a victory. It is not a victory for the citizens who live there. 

But yeah, this is the same type thing that happened in ISKCON. The leaders drove out all the devotees, bankrupted the society, made endless bad media scandals, and essentially reduced ISKCON to burnt out rubble. Then they declared victory for all their wonderful gurus who made this mess! We burnt ISKCON to toast, and that is a victory! Yeah a victory for Kali Yuga. Unfortunately, that is what happens with religion in Kali Yuga, it is mis-used and people suffer the results. 

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PADA's VIDEO Picks 03 17 25

 

Govinda Dasi RE: Poison Issue 03 16 25

GOVINDA DASI: 

THIS one is easy to answer. If he was being poisoned, as HE HIMSELF SAID, and some of the other disciples found this out, there would have been fratricidal war. The amazing part of this lila is that although Srila Prabhupada said this, talked about it, and even alluded to some of the people around him, he became quiet when he was asked who was poisoning him.

I think you need to listen to the tapes, as you obviously have not. And if you are in fact in the legal profession, then you will get a glimpse of what was being said by Srila Prabhupada direct.

I was not there. I was told not to come just like the rest of Prabhupada’s disciples. Srila Prabhupada sent a telegram asking all his disciples to come to Vrindaban, but certain leaders blocked this, according to one of them, due to financial concerns (how will we pay the mortage if the devotees don't do the marathon, and never mind that Srila Prabhupada is calling them to his bedside….)

I respect that you may know law, but I also suspect that you weren't around in those days, and you don't really know much about what really happened. Maybe you should do more investigating.

So far as I am concerned, I had a front row seat. Before and after. I was traveling with Srila Prabhupada from November to Late February. He was preaching like a lion. We were with him at Kumbha Mela and he was roaring at the sanyasis he was so displeased with them, saying, “this is not the meaning of sanyas, you have made a mockery of sanyas, no more sanyas initiations from now on….” 

See a similar tape on Feb 7 1977 marked as Bombay, though the Mela tape was “lost.” Srila Prabhupada himself told me our parents may try to kill him. I think you don't know much about governments, because Srila Prabhupada became a huge threat to the rakshasa governments of the world. 

And I think you don't know who Chandra Swami was, the assassin associated with the Rajiv Gandhi assassination, and other similar events. And I think you also don't know that Chandra Swami supplied the makardvaj medicine that suddenly disappeared after Srila Prabhupada left this world — though his soap, cloths, and other things remained. 

And I think you also dont know that Chandra Swami was seen traveling with Adi Kesha Swami. The “devotee” who sold New York Temple, and whose father was a government agent. And you may also not know about Srila Prabhupada writing a letter to Adi Kesava Swami warning him to be careful of such men as Chandra Swami.

In fact, I think there is really a lot you dont know about, and before you speak about it, you should do more research. Unless you are being paid by someone to decry it that is. 

PADA: Yep, I am seeing more comments by folks in and around ISKCON who are accepting the poison issue as valid. As Mayesvara says, the poison issue is spreading like a cancer all over ISKCON. OK but the people who started the cancer are the people in charge, and / or the people who were in charge of Srila Prabhupada's health in his final days here. 

Even Narayan Maharaja originally tried to join with Tamal and say PADA is a rascal for bringing out this issue, but he later agreed it is valid. As soon as we introduced the issue, GBC guys, and other guys like Krishna Kant, Kamsahanta, the IRM etc. all told me not to bring it forward. They wanted to defend the regime. It is not working, the cracks in the regime's explanation of all this are bad and getting worse. Anyway, the fact that Govinda Dasi is on board is a bad sign for the regime, she does have a circle of influence and it is going in our direction.

Overall, all sorts of naysayer said I was a lunatic for bringing this out, but it looks like -- our opponents are the ones looking like lunatics. Srila Prabhupada is the person who started "the poison theory." And the fact they hid the tape means, they knew he was making much more than a theory complaint. ys pd 

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PADA: Yes. When I got the tape in 1997, I was unable to transcribe it my self because I don't know Hindi enough. I also could not trust any GBC person to help me either, they would destroy the tape, or notify the GBC to come after me (again)? So I took it to a Bengali newspaper writer. He made the original transcript, which was pretty good, Naveen made a few minor tweaks later. The Bengali man listened for 30 seconds, stopped the tape and said, "this is a homicide." He also begged me to never give out his name since he has relatives in Bengal and they could be in jeopardy. "These people are very dangerous." So that was the first transcript ever, because I wanted to compare it with an existing transcript, but there was none. Then I walked around Santa Monica mall with my sony walkman and played the tape 100 times or more. I knew that bringing it out would re-write history, and I wanted to make sure that it was going to be accurate. I believe it is accurate. ys pd 

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Purport to the HARE KRISHNA MAHA MANTRA 03 15 25

 

PURPORT TO THE HARE KRISHNA MAHA MANTRA:

(By His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Founder and Acharya of the Krishna Consciousness Movement, New York, USA 1966)

As explained on the cover of the record album, this transcendental vibration– by chanting of Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare – is the sublime method for reviving our Krishna consciousness. As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krishna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter since time immemorial, our consciousness is now polluted by material atmosphere. In this polluted concept of life, we are all trying to exploit the resources of material nature, but actually we are becoming more and more entangled in our complexities.

This illusion is called Maya, or hard struggle for existence over the stringent laws of material nature. This illusory struggle against the material nature can at once be stopped by revival of our Krishna consciousness.

Krishna consciousness is not an artificial imposition on the mind. This consciousness is the original energy of the living entity. When we hear the transcendental vibration, this consciousness is revived. And the process is recommended by authorities for this age. By practical experience also, we can perceive that by chanting this maha-mantra, or the Great Chanting for Deliverance, one can at once feel transcendental ecstasy from the spiritual stratum. When one is factually on the plane of spiritual understanding, surpassing the stages of sense, mind and intelligence, one is situated on the transcendental plane.

This chanting of Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is directly enacted from the spiritual platform, surpassing all lower states of consciousness–namely sensual, mental and intellectual. There is no need of understanding the language of the mantra, nor is there any need of mental speculation nor any intellectual adjustment for chanting this maha-mantra. It springs automatically from the spiritual platform, and as such, anyone can take part in this transcendental sound vibration, without any previous qualification, and dance in ecstasy.

We have seen it practically. Even a child can take part in the chanting, or even a dog can take part in it. The chanting should be heard, however, from the lips of a pure devotee of the Lord, so that immediate effect can be achieved. As far as possible, chanting from the lips of a nondevotees should be avoided, as much as milk touched by the lips of a serpent causes poisonous effect.

The word Hara is a form of addressing the energy of the Lord. Both Krishna and Rama are forms of addressing directly the Lord, and they mean ”the highest pleasure, eternal.” Hara is the supreme pleasure potency of the Lord. This potency, when addressed are Hare, helps us in reaching the Supreme Lord.

The material energy, called as Maya, is also one of the multipotencies of the Lord, as much as we are also marginal potency of the Lord. The living entities are described as superior energy than matter. When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with the spiritual potency, Hara, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity.

The three words, namely Hara, Krishna and Rama, are transcendental seeds of the maha-mantra, and the chanting is a spiritual call for the Lord and His internal energy, Hara, for giving protection to the conditioned soul. The chanting is exactly like a genuine cry by the child for the mother. Mother Hara helps in achieving the grace of the supreme father, Hari, or Krishna, and the Lord reveals Himself to such a sincere devotee.

No other means, therefore, of spiritual realization is as effective in this age, as chanting the maha-mantra:

Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare

Mahaprabhu's Mercy VIDEO 03 14 25

 

Srila Prabhupada Describes a Summary of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's Childhood Lila..Part 1

TRANSLATION

After some days the Lord began to crawl on His knees, and He caused various wonderful things to be seen.

PURPORT

The Caitanya-bhagavata describes that one day while the Lord was crawling upon His knees, the bells on His waist ringing very sweetly, a snake came out to crawl in the yard of the Lord, who captured the snake like a curious child. Immediately the snake coiled over Him. The Lord as a child then rested on the snake, and after some time the snake went away, leaving the Lord aside.>>> Ref. VedaBase => 

Adi 14.21

TRANSLATION
The Lord caused all the ladies to chant the holy names of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra on the plea of His crying, and while they chanted the Lord would smile.

PURPORT

In the Caitanya-bhagavata this pastime is described as follows: "The Lord, with His beautiful eyes, would cry, but He would stop immediately upon hearing the Hare Krsna maha-mantra. When the ladies, understanding the fun of the Lord, discovered that He would cry and then stop upon hearing the chanting of the Hare Krsna mantra, they all took it as a clue to chant Hare Krsna as soon as the Lord cried. Thus it became a regular function. 

The Lord would cry, and the ladies would begin chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, clapping their hands. In this way all the ladies of the neighboring houses would assemble in the home of Sacimata to join in the sankirtana movement twenty-four hours a day. As long as the ladies continued to chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, the Lord would not cry but would very pleasingly smile upon them.">>> Ref. VedaBase => Adi 14.22

TRANSLATION

On one occasion the Lord ate the food of a brahma?a guest three times, and later, in confidence, the Lord delivered that brahma?a from material engagement.

PURPORT

The story of the deliverance of this brahmana is as follows. A brahmana who was touring all over the country, traveling from one place of pilgrimage to another, reached Navadvipa and became a guest in the house of Jagannatha Misra. Jagannatha Misra gave him all ingredients for cooking, and the brahmana prepared his food. When the brahmana was offering the food to Lord Visnu in meditation, child Nimai came before him and began to eat it, and because of this the brahmana thought the whole offering had been spoiled. 

Therefore by the request of Jagannatha Misra he cooked for a second time, but when he was meditating the child again came before him and began to eat the food, again spoiling the offering. By the request of Jagannatha Misra the brahmana cooked for a third time, but for a third time the Lord came before him and began to eat the food, although the child had been locked within a room and everyone was sleeping because it was late at night. 

Thus, thinking that on that day Lord Visnu was not willing to accept his food and that he was therefore ordained to fast, the brahmana became greatly agitated and cried aloud, haya haya: "What has been done! What has been done!" When Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu saw the brahmana in that agitated state, He told him, "Formerly I was the son of Mother Yasoda. At that time also you became a guest in the house of Nanda Maharaja, and I disturbed you in this way. I am very much pleased by your devotion. 

Therefore I am eating the food you have prepared." Understanding the favor offered to him by the Lord, the brahmana was greatly pleased, and he was overwhelmed with love of Krsna. He was thankful to the Lord, for he felt himself greatly fortunate. Then the Lord asked the brahmana not to disclose the incident to anyone else. This pastime is very elaborately explained in the Caitanya-bhagavata, Adi-khanda, Chapter Five.>>> Ref. VedaBase => Adi 14.37

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USA ECONOMY

Ray Dalio warns the U.S. faces an imminent debt crisis as its debt-to-GDP ratio climbs past 122%, with experts worried foreign buyers will pull back or raise interest payments, making borrowing unsustainable. He suggests drastic measures may be needed, including debt restructuring, political pressure on buyers, and potentially cutting payments to certain countries.

PADA: Thanks prabhu. Yes a tariff is simply another tax. None of this is producing wealth. Real wealth is to produce a product, not to tax a product. Especially not to tax something made in another land like China. It just means the prices will raise, and that will cause more inflation, or in sum -- making the already artificial bloated currency being more bloated than it already is.  

Formerly people would produce wealth in the shape of agriculture, cows, and making actual concrete things like furniture, clothes, shoes, jewelry, boats etc. Making more taxes is not producing anything, except, more deficits. Yeah this bloated currency problem is not being solved with more bloat. Agreed. ys pd 

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Balavanta Health / Children's Mental Health / Ukraine Karma etc. 03 12 25

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Meal Train for Radhika Erving

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Prayers requested for His Grace Balavanta Das, ACBSP.

Balavanta prabhu had a heart attack while jogging on the beach in Daytona. He fell to the ground. By Krishna's mercy someone on the beach witnessed it, resuscitated him and called 911. He is currently in hospital.

We pray that Krishna protect him and his consciousness. May he recover fully to continue his service to Srila Prabhupada and the devotees. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to His Grace Balavanta prabhu.

PADA: I think he is now scheduled for surgery. 

Someone told me Balavanta was active with the GBC up to the time they all had their reform meetings at New Vrndvana. A person who was at those meetings said I was correct, Kirtanananda was sitting on a big seat covered with the hands of many boys. Everyone could see -- since this was on a big raised stage. 

And yet no one complained, or probably even noticed this was a problem. He said Balavanta was present at that meeting, pretty much siding with the reformers (who wanted to be voted in as gurus). 

He said at the meeting there was a lot of anger, even shouting, by the people who wanted to be voted in as gurus. But just about no one was complaining that these 11 gurus were never authorized, they just wanted to have themselves authorized as gurus. 

Overall, there was a lot of Prabhupada devotees there, those residing at New Vrndavan, and many visting. But none of them were discussing the real problem -- Srila Prabhupada's guru position was being hi-jacked by these deviants. Or that the CBS TV news crew's idea of these meetings was -- that Kirtanananda is "in pedophile heaven" being covered with the hands of these boys. Why did no one grab him off that seat?, the CBS newslady asked me.

Balavanta did say that he recalls Kirtanananda starting to initiate in late 1977, and he thought that was premature and not well thought out. OK long story short, these guys like Kirtanananda, Ramesvara, Rupanuga, Satsvarupa, Ravindra, Balavanta and many others were part of the post-1978 ISKCON steering committee -- which was steering the society off a cliff -- into homosexual and pedophile deviated guru cults and criminal programs. 

Then, when the society's house was burning down, and the ISKCON citizens in the house were on fire and screaming for help, the steering committee guys -- who were doing most of the steering -- and helped drive the ISKCON house into this madness -- mostly just left. Exit stage right! "I resign." OK so now the suffering citzens are left in the mess these folks helped co-create and orchestrate, with no help on the horizon. 

That is my biggest complaint about these guys. Me and Sulochana are being hunted like dogs, and they are having a big meeting making a reform with the leaders of the hunting party. And one of the main leaders is sitting on a big throne covered with the hands of a number of boys. That means we whistle blowers are left flapping in the breeze, nevermind all the women, children and other victims. 

Later on Balavanta was involved with the poison issue, maybe the year 2000, and same thing, he could not make a firm assist for us then either. He did write me once to tell me, do not send me your newsletters. OK. 

The person at the reform meeting says -- Balavanta is a lawyer who specializes in helping victims. Well sure, and he should have helped us ISKCON victims first. Anyway! All that being said, I do not wish him unwell. I hope he recovers and he starts to spill the beans on the whole guru hoax. 

In any case, God speed spirit soul. Good luck on your soul's journey. Unfortunately, I also do believe that the people who were at the steering wheel of the steering committee will -- at some stage -- have to be held accountable for that activity. I can forgive others, and I often do. However, the laws of God are vastly more powerful and superior to any of my flimsy recommendations.

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BRAHMATIRTHA

I am reaching out on behalf of a old, dear friend. He wants to live in our community, he is a senior citizen (healthy etc) and wants to live with like-minded devotees. Initially (could be long term depending on compatibility) he is looking for a shared home or separate living space, until he is settled with a job, car etc, He is limited on his budget, so this is more of a favor and act of love. Of course he will pay etc

I know him 40 years, I personally vouch for his character, he is professional, not married, has grown children and grandchildren . He is a disciple of HDG 1st and 2nd initiation. He is a stage 4 cancer survivor and wants to be here with us.

I am asking the vaisnava community to help him relocate to a peaceful environment temporarily or could be long term please contact Brahmatirtha das at bobcohen@bihstudies.org

PADA: Why are all these senior devotees getting stage 4 cancers? Why are they always struggling to find a place to live? Why are all the elite leaders getting top notch medical and housing, vehicles etc. but not the peons? ys pd 

CHILDREN's MENTAL HEALTH

I think a lot of people fail to realize, forcing children to worship conditioned souls as their eternal links to God is psychological and spiritual abuse -- right out of the gate. Of course this has made a situation ripe for actual physical abuse, which has been rampant as well. A middle aged ex-Krishna kid -- now a mom -- has now realized that her parents coercing her to take Satsvarupa as her guru was -- severely misguided advice. 

She says when she sees the madness art of Satsvarupa, she is mortified to think anyone would have coerced her to worship this lusty mad artiste man -- as her eternal link to God. So now she is feeling mentally shocked and mortified at her parents making her worship this man, and that is called psychological abuse. Worse, her devotee husband's parents told them to have their kids initiated by another ISKCON guru, who was also another lusty and fallen person. 

So the people giving bad advice to children are part of the issue, not just the gurus themselves. Anyway this mother is right, just looking at the art of SDG is mortifying, even if he is not your guru. This reminds me of my high school girl friend crush. She was ordered to kiss the face of a departed relative at a funeral, and after that, she was too mortified -- to kiss me or anyone else. Making children do mortifying things when they are kids can last for a long time, even a lifetime. ys pd


UKRAINE AND KARMA

The mills of God grind slowly; but, They grind extremely well.

Posted by Ananta Shesha Das (ISKCON Kiev - Ukraine)

After the war of Kuruksetra, Dhritarashtra asked Krishna: I had a hundred children and all of them were killed. Why?

Krishna replied: Fifty lives ago, you were a hunter and during a hunt, you tried to shoot a bird, but it flew away, in anger, you ruthlessly killed its hundred chicks in the nest, so the bird had to watch your cruelty in helpless agony. Because you caused this bird the pain of seeing its hundred children die, you also had to endure the pain of seeing your hundred children dead.

Dhritarastra said: But why did I have to wait fifty lives?

Krishna replied: You have been accumulating Punya (credits for pious deeds), for the last fifty lives, to obtain a hundred children, because this requires a lot of Punya. Then then, you had the reaction to the Pope (sin) that you committed fifty lives ago.

Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita (4.17) "Ghana Karmano Gatih" The way action and reaction work is very complex. God knows best what reaction to be given, at what moment and under what condition. Therefore, Some reaction may come in this life, Some in the next life and some in a distant future life. There is a saying that goes, "God's mills grind slowly, but they grind perfectly well."

Thus, every action will be accounted for, sooner or later the reaction will come. Srimad Bhagavatam gives an example: If we place a thousand calves in a stable and then the mother cow of only one of those calves, the cow will easily find out where her calf is among all those calves, as she has this mystical ability. 

Similarly, 

Our karma will find us among millions of beings on this planet. Sometimes, there can be thousands of people on a road, but only one or more suffers an accident. It's not by chance, it's by Karma. Therefore, the Law of Karma works very well; it may be Slow to act, but no one can escape it.
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KM: So many devotees talk about being concerned about child abuse etc. But very few will actually stand up and do something about it. Yes the GBC definitely have to take responsibility for their part but so do temples and individuals.

In South Africa there are a few known child abusers but just about everyone pretends like they don’t know, partly because they are so called older devotees, nice people, their wives were lovely people and on it goes. So how many more children have been abused by them.

If more individuals made a noise in their temples it would help. Child protection has to be everyone’s business.

PR: When I was staying at the Hillbrow temple, with our kids and other children were there too, a known child abuser came to reside there. I made some noise about it to the TP and he soon left. Like you said, we should all put our hands up, make some noise, so to speak, and protest agaisnt these things.

TP: Killing someone's bhakti is worse than killing a body of a person!

PC: That would require a human quality called 'empathy' those people and their peers are so evidently missing. but even without empathy, just following their scriptures and preceptors should be enough. an offender must humbly beg forgiveness from the offended, that's Mahaprabhu's teaching, and even after that he should lead a life of humble service. Bhaktisiddhanta considered himself an offender and never ate mangos having eaten an unoffered one as a child of 5ys.

but gbcs claim 'authority' as a synonim of 'power', whereas in their role they should be 'authoritative' and respected for their character and wisdom. How long will iskcon wait for that, if ever?.. 

GP: From studying the pattern of abuse statics show us some of the victims of abuse become abusers abusing others in the way they were themselves were abused, and some victims do not abuse others.

Being systemic in society this subject is extensively studied and well documented, it is offen used as a weapon of war by governments and others against populations they wish to dominate.

SF: Laypersons, especially devotee know very little about nature of evil people. (Sometime long into after they 've been caught in their trap ).

That is also why it is so hard to clean up ISKCON. It is hard to comprehend at first, but evil people think differently. Smart ones amongst the evil -doers are good at hiding their true nature.

But , the essence of it is that very malicious, sinister people actually have hard time finding pleasure in regular ,expected,"normal " ways.It seems for more serious evil -doers , they are so twisted that the only way to find enjoyment is in destroying.

Seeing others suffer and their lives destroyed is what actually makes them happy. Many are taking it out on others for what some perpetrator did it to them long ago when they were children. Therefore they think they have earned the right to do.it to others '-" as they have suffered greatly, too."

That is the essence of evil in people.

They want others to suffer.

It is known fact that certain kind of murderers don't stop at just crime on one victim. Some like to taunt families of their victims, too.

Some cannot stop themselves from visibly enjoying solely memories of their crimes. Even during the trial.