Sunday, April 30, 2017
Bhakti Vijnana Swami "Another Retired Guru"?
Bhakti Vijnana Swami and Radhanath
Bhakti Vijnana Goswami was born in Tashkent, former Soviet Union. He took to spiritual life in 1980, during a difficult time during the communist era in the former Soviet Union, when the National Security forces were harassing any type of spiritual practitioner. Despite these obstacles, Bhakti Vijnana Goswami—a scientist, a Moscow State University graduate and postgraduate student at Institute of Molecular Biology—decided to experiment with the Hare Krishna mantra.
To his great happiness, it moved him profoundly. He is a disciple of Radhanath Swami and resides primarily in Moscow, Russia, working tirelessly towards the building of a monumental temple there. He travels widely throughout Russia sharing Krishna Consciousness.
Since 1997 Bhakti Vijnana Goswami has acted as a member of ISKCON’s Governing Body Commission and since 2005 has served as one of the initiating gurus of ISKCON. His zonal responsibilities include Georgia (CIS) and Israel. He serves as co-zonal secretary for Eastern and Western Siberia, Northwest CIS, Ural Region, Moscow, Southern, Central Region, CIS, Golden Ring, Armenia, Far East and also co-GBC for North and South Korea.
On July 1, 2010 the Council for Public Awards of the Russian Federation awarded Bhakti Vijnana Goswami a medal “for professional and business reputation” third degree, “for his contribution in strengthening Russian-Indian friendly relations, and for his contribution to the popularization of the spiritual-cultural literary heritage of India.”
[PADA: OK wait a minute, he thinks he is like Jesus and he can be a diksha guru and absorb sins? Then he wonders why he "feels exhausted"?]
Dear Vaishnavas,
Please accept my obeisances. All Glories To Srila Prabhupada!
The last two months were very difficult for me. The tension over the past weeks has been superimposed upon my chronic fatigue, accumulated over some years now. And all of this has led to my complete nervous and physical exhaustion - the state in which I now reside. Similar, although not as severe, this is the condition I had occasionally before. Now it is much more severe.
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(Translated -- so there might be some errors)
Please accept my obeisances. All Glories To Srila Prabhupada!
The last two months were very difficult for me. The tension over the past weeks has been superimposed upon my chronic fatigue, accumulated over some years now. And all of this has led to my complete nervous and physical exhaustion - the state in which I now reside. Similar, although not as severe, this is the condition I had occasionally before. Now it is much more severe.
Short breaks helped me to recover a little, but my recovery was never complete. Even during the recovery periods of resting, a sense of duty did not allow me to fully retire. Now, however, the situation is much more serious, so the senior Vaishnavas recommended me to take an extended vacation for an indefinite period and to depart my management role. My communication with the outside world during this period will be reduced to an absolute minimum. My body and mind are in need of a complete rest and recuperation.
I really hope for your understanding and support this.
It is difficult to say how much time I will need, but I will not be able to participate in any programs planned for the coming months. As for the more remote scheduled dates, they are also open to question. Dina-Caitanya will contact the organizers of all planned programs, we will look at how to minimize undesirable consequences of this decision.
My condition forces me to look differently at what I was doing all this time. For many years I often acted against my real nature, being forced to deal with management issues. According to Krishna, it is dangerous for us and can lead to complete exhaustion. Just the opportunity to talk about the philosophy of Krishna consciousness has saved me all this time.
I really hope for your understanding and support this.
It is difficult to say how much time I will need, but I will not be able to participate in any programs planned for the coming months. As for the more remote scheduled dates, they are also open to question. Dina-Caitanya will contact the organizers of all planned programs, we will look at how to minimize undesirable consequences of this decision.
My condition forces me to look differently at what I was doing all this time. For many years I often acted against my real nature, being forced to deal with management issues. According to Krishna, it is dangerous for us and can lead to complete exhaustion. Just the opportunity to talk about the philosophy of Krishna consciousness has saved me all this time.
I love diving into the Scriptures, to talk about Krishna and to help people, but management is not my strength, although the role of manager constantly demanded me to act this way. Some time ago I wanted to pass this responsibility on to the younger devotees. I now feel a deep need to drastically take a more natural position, more appropriate to my abilities. At the same time, I am very grateful to Srila Prabhupada and senior Vaishnavas because they have given me the opportunity to serve - albeit imperfectly - for the mission.
I also feel a very deep gratitude to the devotees, with whom I share bonds of a joint service. I want to believe that by taking a more natural position, I can continue to help them, but not as a manager. So I can do the most good. Support from devotees has helped and I hope that this decision will also be accepted. I think that my more or less retirement and change of my role will help many young, talented devotees to more fully demonstrate their abilities in serving the mission of Srila Prabhupada and take on more initiative and more responsibility.
Take this opportunity to apologize to all the devotees who I wittingly or unwittingly offended or hurt. Relationship with the vaiṣṇavas is the most dear thing in my life.
Your servant, BV Goswami.
I also feel a very deep gratitude to the devotees, with whom I share bonds of a joint service. I want to believe that by taking a more natural position, I can continue to help them, but not as a manager. So I can do the most good. Support from devotees has helped and I hope that this decision will also be accepted. I think that my more or less retirement and change of my role will help many young, talented devotees to more fully demonstrate their abilities in serving the mission of Srila Prabhupada and take on more initiative and more responsibility.
Take this opportunity to apologize to all the devotees who I wittingly or unwittingly offended or hurt. Relationship with the vaiṣṇavas is the most dear thing in my life.
Your servant, BV Goswami.
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[PADA: Not really sure what you folks are managing?
For starters, Radhanath destroyed New Vrndavana by his encouraging the criminal regime of Kirtanananda there. And this created a huge criminal scandal for the entire movement worldwide, as these crimes were reported in the news media. And now you folks managed to bury the sexual predator Kirtanananda in the holy dham? Is this management we need?
Your folks are spending $$$ millions of dollars in Dallas after being sued for your child abuse program;
Your folks (headed by Radhanath) are spending perhaps $20 million dollars suing the Prabhupadanugas in India;
Your folks are now being charged with criminal contempt in the Bangalore court -- which we are told -- your folks will spend more millions defending your criminal agents;
Your folks (headed by Radhanath) got a lawyer to block us from getting our books from the printers;
Your folks are being taken to the Attorney General in New York for hi-jacking the Brooklyn temple;
Your folks are being charged by a number of ex-kulis with current mis-management of the Vrndavana gurukula, which is apparently still committing abuse, and which was recently involved in a student drowning there, in part because allegedly -- proper funds were not being used to maintain the facility and hire proper people.
Where is your managing?
The new people will not be able to "take over" and start managing properly, as long as your program is still blocking them, and you folks are still taking control of the over arching management. All of these lawsuits are the result of your folks blocking practical people who wanted to see things managed properly.
And worse, you are claiming to be a diksha guru who can absorb sins like Jesus is also doing. Srila Prabhupada said we neophytes will fail (have nervous and physical break downs?) if we try to act as sin absorbing messiahs. Who told you its a good idea to imitate Jesus? Of course you will fail. Long overdue!
And now you will simply join the ranks of many other retired GBC's gurus, like Bhagavan, Satsvarupa, Hrdayananda, Jayapataka, Harikesha, Ramesvara, Hansadutta, Bhavananda, Jayatirtha, Kirtanananda, Ravindra Swarup, Prithu, and many more, who have "retired from management" -- after you folks promoted fools as your acharyas and ruined the lives of countless people, and ruined the ISKCON movement in the process.
You make a big mess, then retire? How is that helping? You should not retire, you should fix the mess you made first, then retire. Anyway, now you folks have created yet another deviation, the retired acharya's syndrome, more foolishness on top of foolishness. Anyway, have a good rest, you will need it, because you will carry the accumulated sins of your followers along with you into many future lifetimes, and you will have a lot of work to do in the coal mines of the lower planets working off all this karma.
It is forbidden for us neophytes to act as a diksha guru and accept karma, this is rule no. 1 for us neophytes. We cannot violate these rules and expect a smooth ride, that will never happen, rather the ride will be very bumpy. Surrender all your assets and followers to Srila Prabhupada, and this might save you somewhat. ys pd]
"Krishna Killers" Book Needs Funds
https://www.gofundme.com/krishna-killers-book-printing
[PADA: I have worked with the author on many details in the books, its going to be pretty accurate. It details the rise and fall of the GBC's living guru empire, and one of its chief exponents Kirtanananda swami. ys pd
[PADA: I have worked with the author on many details in the books, its going to be pretty accurate. It details the rise and fall of the GBC's living guru empire, and one of its chief exponents Kirtanananda swami. ys pd
Torben Nielsen Flip Flops on Guru Issue
[PADA: First of all, Torben, Ajit Krishna, Kim Moller and many others argued with PADA that "any initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada who chants their rounds can be a diksha guru." What? Anyone who chants their rounds is equal to Jesus and he can accept sins like Jesus? Where did Srila Prabhupada say that anyone who "chants their rounds" can take the post of a parampara acharya or messiah and absorb sins etc.?
Torben was never able to show us quotes to that effect, because none exist! Torben was actually quoting Jayadvaita swami, who says "anyone who chants their rounds" can be a diksha guru. Probably same problem we have with Hanuman das, he thinks someone ELSE is going to be the diksha guru other than Srila Prabhupada. "Someone" who is chanting their rounds?
Torben was never able to show us quotes to that effect, because none exist! Torben was actually quoting Jayadvaita swami, who says "anyone who chants their rounds" can be a diksha guru. Probably same problem we have with Hanuman das, he thinks someone ELSE is going to be the diksha guru other than Srila Prabhupada. "Someone" who is chanting their rounds?
Worse! This idea simply drags these ersatz messiahs down, they absorb sins and then they fall down, get sick, or die. That is the way forward, people should fall down, get sick and die? Toben has never explained why he wanted all of the disciples of Srila Prabhupada to become ersatz messiahs and fall down, get sick -- and die, by being imitation messiahs?
And worse, Torben's program has had the entire ISKCON society offering their bhogha to Torben's conditioned soul gurus, so under the Torben plan, everyone is eating BHOGHA because we cannot offer bhogha to conditioned souls, whether they are chanting their rounds or not. Of course the GBC has made an executive order to have people monitor Jayapataka because, he was not chanting his rounds. How do we even know if Torben's messiahs are chanting their rounds? We don't! Rather we know in many cases, they are not!
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/04/offering-to-bogus-gurus-does-not.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/04/offering-to-bogus-gurus-does-not.html
Wow, so Torben, and not Krishna, has been the one "giving the order" that anyone of the disciples can be a diksha guru! Now he says, only the previous acharyas or Krishna can give this order. OK wait a minute, how did Torben previously take the place of Krishna, because he was ordering people to become diksha gurus, and he was by-passing God?
Anyway, he is now right, and this is what PADA said all along, the previous acharyas and / or Krishna gives the order for people to become diksha gurus, not the GBC or Bhakta Torben! So Torben appears to have woke up to the fact, he is not Krishna, and so he cannot give anyone the order to become a diksha guru, never mind he was previously giving the order to thousands of people to become diksha gurus up to now! He finally realized, he is not Krishna?
Anyway, we are glad he has started to do some research on this topic! Yes, the previous acharyas and / or Krishna are the persons who give the order for a person to be guru, NOT TORBEN or the GBC, or the Gaudiya Matha or etc. Good progress! This means, Torben agrees with the ritviks, all of these people were never diksha gurus because they did not have the order, and he was a complete fool to give thousands of people the order to become diksha gurus because he thought he was Krishna and he could give this order. He has finally realized, he is not Krishna! Goody! ys pd
Torben Nielsen — DENMARK —
"Indian man: When did you become the spiritual leader of Krsna consciousness?
Srila Prabhupada: What is that?
Brahmananda: He's asking when did you become the spiritual leader of Krsna consciousness?
Prabhupada: When my Guru Maharaja ordered me. This is the guru-parampara.
Indian: Did it...
Prabhupada: Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.
Indian woman 2: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi) Sadhi mam prapannam. "I am surrendered to You. Whatever You say, I shall carry out." That's all.
Indian man: When did he tell you to...?
Prabhupada: What is the business, when did he tell me? And why shall I disclose to you? It is so very insignificant thing that I have to explain to you?
Indian man: No, I am just curious when...
Prabhupada: You should be curious within your limit. You should know that one can become guru when he is ordered by his guru, this much." (Srila Prabhupada Bg Lecture - Nairobi, 1975)
So we can understand from this exchange that Srila Prabhupada is not referring to the general order from Mahaprabhu to become guru:
yāre dekha, tāre kaha 'kṛṣṇa'-upadeśa
āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra' ei deśa
"Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land."
Anyway, we are glad he has started to do some research on this topic! Yes, the previous acharyas and / or Krishna are the persons who give the order for a person to be guru, NOT TORBEN or the GBC, or the Gaudiya Matha or etc. Good progress! This means, Torben agrees with the ritviks, all of these people were never diksha gurus because they did not have the order, and he was a complete fool to give thousands of people the order to become diksha gurus because he thought he was Krishna and he could give this order. He has finally realized, he is not Krishna! Goody! ys pd
Torben Nielsen — DENMARK —
"Indian man: When did you become the spiritual leader of Krsna consciousness?
Srila Prabhupada: What is that?
Brahmananda: He's asking when did you become the spiritual leader of Krsna consciousness?
Prabhupada: When my Guru Maharaja ordered me. This is the guru-parampara.
Indian: Did it...
Prabhupada: Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.
Indian woman 2: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi) Sadhi mam prapannam. "I am surrendered to You. Whatever You say, I shall carry out." That's all.
Indian man: When did he tell you to...?
Prabhupada: What is the business, when did he tell me? And why shall I disclose to you? It is so very insignificant thing that I have to explain to you?
Indian man: No, I am just curious when...
Prabhupada: You should be curious within your limit. You should know that one can become guru when he is ordered by his guru, this much." (Srila Prabhupada Bg Lecture - Nairobi, 1975)
So we can understand from this exchange that Srila Prabhupada is not referring to the general order from Mahaprabhu to become guru:
yāre dekha, tāre kaha 'kṛṣṇa'-upadeśa
āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra' ei deśa
"Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land."
(Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya-lila 7.128)
Srila Prabhupada in the above conversation is talking about becoming initiating guru, diksa guru, because the order from Mahaprabhu is public knowledge. It is written in many places. That is the order of becoming a siksa guru. And Srila Prabhupada mentions it in innumerable places.
Srila Prabhupada says that his order from Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati was significant and confidential, 'Why I shall disclose to you?'
Therefore by logic, Srila Prabhupada must be referring to the order of him taking disciples personally. Otherwise he could easily have answered the question referring to the Mahaprabhu order. He did not.
This sheds light to the ongoing guru / Ritvik/ GBC controversy of who is a bona fide guru. The order must be there. Either the general order to become guru (siksa) or the specific order to take disciples (diksa).
This will raise a natural question, 'How can Srila Prabhupada order a disciple to become initiating guru after Srila Prabhupada has departed?' The answer is quite obvious and can best be illustrated by a personal experience I had five years back: "Torben!".
Hope this will clear some of the many misunderstandings which have marred ISKCON since His Divine Grace´s departure in 1977.
Srila Prabhupada in the above conversation is talking about becoming initiating guru, diksa guru, because the order from Mahaprabhu is public knowledge. It is written in many places. That is the order of becoming a siksa guru. And Srila Prabhupada mentions it in innumerable places.
Srila Prabhupada says that his order from Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati was significant and confidential, 'Why I shall disclose to you?'
Therefore by logic, Srila Prabhupada must be referring to the order of him taking disciples personally. Otherwise he could easily have answered the question referring to the Mahaprabhu order. He did not.
This sheds light to the ongoing guru / Ritvik/ GBC controversy of who is a bona fide guru. The order must be there. Either the general order to become guru (siksa) or the specific order to take disciples (diksa).
This will raise a natural question, 'How can Srila Prabhupada order a disciple to become initiating guru after Srila Prabhupada has departed?' The answer is quite obvious and can best be illustrated by a personal experience I had five years back: "Torben!".
Hope this will clear some of the many misunderstandings which have marred ISKCON since His Divine Grace´s departure in 1977.
[PADA: Right the general order is for people to become shiksha gurus, and for Torben to say he (or the GBC?) can order people to be diksha gurus is bogus and wrong. So the only person who has this order is Srila Prabhupada, so he is still the current diksha guru. Great progress Torben! ys pd]
Saturday, April 29, 2017
We Cannot Afford One More Child (Sanaka Rsi Das)
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/04/iskcon-millions-for-salaries.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/04/iskcon-gurukula-child-drowning-incident.html
A Child Drowns at the Vrindavana Gurukula
BY: SANAKA RSI DAS (UK)
On the 25th of April Kartik Sharma, one of the students at the Vrindavana Gurukula drowned in the school swimming pool. The police said that on a first impression it appears to be a case of negligence on the part of the school management because there was no life-guard on duty at the time of the incident.
What is troubling is that we have known for more than a decade that the children in the Vrindavana Gurukula under the management of Gopal Krishna Maharaj have been abused and neglected on an ongoing basis. The school management has known, Gopal Krishna Maharaj has known, Tamohara has known, Anuttama has known, Sesa has known, the GBC has known, we have also known, but most importantly these children have paid the price of our indifference.
Over the years many devotees have attempted to alert the ISKCON child protection authorities that the Vrindavana Gurukula was a disaster waiting to happen. A few years ago I asked a question that today is more relevant than ever; "Who will stand accountable now?"
I trust that now that we have lost a child, there will be a race to shift the blame. I doubt if ISKCON authorities will have the courage to acknowledge their responsibility and FINALLY prioritise and invest in child protection.
In February this year the GBC released a rosy report on child protection in India. This year's GBC Resolutions on child protection are a magnificent piece of propaganda seemingly intended to appease the devotee community that the GBC actually cares. These Resolutions will have no doubt placated and convinced some concerned devotees and congregation members that the GBC is responsibly addressing this issue. The uninformed reader would be forgiven for walking away thinking that the GBC has finally seen the light. They use firm sounding language; they inform us that they have placed the schools on probation.
The truth is that presenting the appearance that the problem has been solved is far cheaper than actually solving the problem, but as far as the needs of GBC are concerned, it serves their requirements...
Upon further scrutiny however, one will discover that the GBC had already placed the Vrindavana Gurukula on probation last year, and that the school had breached these sanctions without any consequences. One would also discover that despite several reports of abuse and negligence in the Vrindavana Gurukula spanning over 10 years, the GBC did not take any measures to correct those in charge of the school.
But perhaps the two most reliable indicators of how much the GBC values child protection are the fact that despite everything, this year the GBC did not increase the budget allocated for the International Child Protection Office, and India still does not have a regional child protection office.
How much money has ISKCON spent this year in building new temples? How about in publishing and advertising personal biographies of high flying swamis? Or court cases trying to retain possession of assets? Is it millions? Is it $10s of millions? The GBC allocated 10,000 US$ for the international Child Protection Office. Is it a surprise that child protection in ISKCON is inadequate?
Essentially the problem is a lack of value for the lives of these children. In India ISKCON has a long history of using children to acquire funds and credibility; the children have been used as a means to an end.
When a school exists for the purpose of making ISKCON look good, or as a fundraising tool, then the children become expendable. To serve these purposes, the school only needs to APPEAR functional from a brief external examination. Whereas, when the objective of the existence of a school is to actually serve the highest interest of the children, then each child is offered the highest degree of care and protection.
ISKCON has been at a moral crossroad for too long. It can wait no longer. ISKCON needs to find the social will to invest the resources necessary to transform education and child protection to bring it to world class standards. The only other responsible alternative is to acknowledge that ISKCON's attempts for education have been a disaster and shut down these schools.
We cannot afford one more child.
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/04/iskcon-gurukula-child-drowning-incident.html
A Child Drowns at the Vrindavana Gurukula
BY: SANAKA RSI DAS (UK)
On the 25th of April Kartik Sharma, one of the students at the Vrindavana Gurukula drowned in the school swimming pool. The police said that on a first impression it appears to be a case of negligence on the part of the school management because there was no life-guard on duty at the time of the incident.
What is troubling is that we have known for more than a decade that the children in the Vrindavana Gurukula under the management of Gopal Krishna Maharaj have been abused and neglected on an ongoing basis. The school management has known, Gopal Krishna Maharaj has known, Tamohara has known, Anuttama has known, Sesa has known, the GBC has known, we have also known, but most importantly these children have paid the price of our indifference.
Over the years many devotees have attempted to alert the ISKCON child protection authorities that the Vrindavana Gurukula was a disaster waiting to happen. A few years ago I asked a question that today is more relevant than ever; "Who will stand accountable now?"
I trust that now that we have lost a child, there will be a race to shift the blame. I doubt if ISKCON authorities will have the courage to acknowledge their responsibility and FINALLY prioritise and invest in child protection.
In February this year the GBC released a rosy report on child protection in India. This year's GBC Resolutions on child protection are a magnificent piece of propaganda seemingly intended to appease the devotee community that the GBC actually cares. These Resolutions will have no doubt placated and convinced some concerned devotees and congregation members that the GBC is responsibly addressing this issue. The uninformed reader would be forgiven for walking away thinking that the GBC has finally seen the light. They use firm sounding language; they inform us that they have placed the schools on probation.
The truth is that presenting the appearance that the problem has been solved is far cheaper than actually solving the problem, but as far as the needs of GBC are concerned, it serves their requirements...
Upon further scrutiny however, one will discover that the GBC had already placed the Vrindavana Gurukula on probation last year, and that the school had breached these sanctions without any consequences. One would also discover that despite several reports of abuse and negligence in the Vrindavana Gurukula spanning over 10 years, the GBC did not take any measures to correct those in charge of the school.
But perhaps the two most reliable indicators of how much the GBC values child protection are the fact that despite everything, this year the GBC did not increase the budget allocated for the International Child Protection Office, and India still does not have a regional child protection office.
How much money has ISKCON spent this year in building new temples? How about in publishing and advertising personal biographies of high flying swamis? Or court cases trying to retain possession of assets? Is it millions? Is it $10s of millions? The GBC allocated 10,000 US$ for the international Child Protection Office. Is it a surprise that child protection in ISKCON is inadequate?
Essentially the problem is a lack of value for the lives of these children. In India ISKCON has a long history of using children to acquire funds and credibility; the children have been used as a means to an end.
When a school exists for the purpose of making ISKCON look good, or as a fundraising tool, then the children become expendable. To serve these purposes, the school only needs to APPEAR functional from a brief external examination. Whereas, when the objective of the existence of a school is to actually serve the highest interest of the children, then each child is offered the highest degree of care and protection.
ISKCON has been at a moral crossroad for too long. It can wait no longer. ISKCON needs to find the social will to invest the resources necessary to transform education and child protection to bring it to world class standards. The only other responsible alternative is to acknowledge that ISKCON's attempts for education have been a disaster and shut down these schools.
We cannot afford one more child.
Friday, April 28, 2017
Hanuman says Prabhupadanugas "Worship A Dead Graveyard"
[PADA: Wow! Rocana has been preaching to these poor Hanuman, Ajit, Torben, Kim Moller types, and since Rocana says that Srila Prabhupada is the posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem dead person in a graveyard, ... Rocana's disciples are now saying that too: i.e. worship of Srila Prabhupada is for dead persons in a graveyard. Evidently, not only are pure devotees post mortem, the worship of pure devotees like Srila Prabhupada is only for dead corpses as well.
According to these folks, Srila Prabhupada is post mortem, and he is thus only worshiped by dead graveyard bodies, that makes the whole process of the Krishna religion dead? The dead worship the dead? Definite proof Hanuman is a disciple of Rocana!
So Hanuman agrees with Rocana, the acharyas are all dead and post mortem, and his worshipers (the ritviks) are also dead people, self-evidently because they worship a dead person. What to expect when Hanuman's guru Rocana says pure devotees are all post mortem dead corpses in a graveyard, and so now they are saying, anyone who worships the post mortem is also post mortem. Wow! Places us in good company, Srila Prabhupada is post mortem, and so are we!
Umm, Srila Prabhupada is the post mortem dead person in the graveyard, and so are his worshipers, according to these fellows? Notice that these folks always use the same medical terms to describe an acharya, that the undertaker uses at the county morgue! And who was first to describe the acharyas as posthumous, post samadhi and post mortem, ok it was GBC's folks! Of course they have some nice illicit sex living people for us to worship instead!
This makes the Christians way more advanced than these folks, because they know the guru is eternal, he lives forever, and its an offense to say the pure devotee and his worshipers are the same as post mortem graveyard corpses. Worship of Srila Prabhupada is for the corpse sector? So if the pure devotee is post mortem, and the worshipers of the pure devotees of Krishna are all dead corpses, that makes Krishna also a dead corpse, because the followers take the quality of what they worship. Ooops, except the number of Prabhupadanugas is increasing, because its a living process, while the worshipers of Rocana's post mortem acharya's process, well, its dying out.
Hanuman das / Rocana ilk etc. also say that "there is no proof that Srila Prabhupada is accepting bhogha offerings, or disciples, so there is no need to offer bhogha or disciples to Srila Prabhupada." So we should stop offering bhogha (and disciples) to Krishna via media the pure devotee, because there is no proof that Srila Prabhupada and Krishna are accepting?
Of course, only if Srila Prabhupada and Krishna are post mortem, then they cannot accept? Yes, they want to say that Krishna and Srila Prabhupada are post mortem, then the theory -- that they cannot accept offerings -- will work. People should quit their worship of God, because there is "no proof" God accepts their worship. What! Pretty much what atheists say all the time!
So we should offer bhogha, and disciples etc. to -- no one at all? Notice that they never tell us who the bhogha and the disciples etc. should be offered to? Right, because they cannot "prove" that they have a better idea either. So they never name this alleged living person they want us to make the offerings to? Lets face it, they are the living persons they want others to listen to, they are self made messiahs. We cannot listen to the GBC, we cannot listen to the worshipers of Prabhupada, and we cannot even listen to Prabhupada since he is post mortem, we need to listen to -- these guys?
That also means, they want people to eat bhogha and never have any prasadam, ever, because "there is no proof" that the offerings are accepted. Srila Prabhupada says eating bhogha is like eating sinful material! Why do these guys want people to eat dead and sinful material all the time? Rocana tells people not to bother offering bhogha to Prabhupada because its an offering to the post mortem, and now his followers are parroting. And Srila Prabhupada says people who eat bhogha have to stay here in the material world, is that Hanuman's plan?
And! How can they prove that Srila Prabhupada and Krishna are not accepting?
Anyway, this is amazing, we should not offer bhogha (or disciples) to the pure devotee, because "there is no proof he is accepting." So that means, Hanuman wants us to all eat bhogha and not bother offering anything to Prabhupada and Krishna, because we cannot "prove" that they are accepting?
Wow! This is what Rocana and Kailash (and Torben and Ajit) are also saying, there is no need to continue the process of offering bhogha to the pure devotee since, there is no proof he is accepting? So we also should NOT offer the new disciples to Krishna because we cannot prove they are being accepted by Him, just like we cannot prove the bhogha is accepted? So how can we have a religion where nothing is being offered to God via His pure devotee?
And worse, our brand new people cannot offer bhogha to the pure devotee either, and thus our folks need to stop making bhogha offerings, and offer the bhogha to -- no one? Why do these people want Krishna to starve? Where does Srila Prabhupada say we should stop offering bhogha or new disciples or anything else to him because "there is no proof" he accepts?
This is what the atheists are saying, what is the use of making offerings to God, there is no proof He accepts? How can they prove these offerings are not accepting? Anyway, this is amazing, when discussing the whole idea of worship of the pure devotee -- these guys always talk about the same morbid dead things: ghosts, posthumous dead corpses, dead people in a casket, morgues, post samadhi, post mortem, worshipers in a graveyard of dead bodies, etc. They are clearly overly obsessed with death and dying, and so much so, they think acharyas and Krishna are also dead and so "they cannot accept offerings now."
Yep, now they are simply saying that worship of Krishna and His pure devotee is post mortem, and thus its only for dead people in the graveyard, because Krishna's gurus are also in the dead graveyard! Are these guys watching too many Stephen King Horror movies on the Channel 44 fright night show? Worship of the dead, night of the living dead, zombie attacks, wow that is all they meditate on! Did we forget to mention, Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura says its an offense to consider that guru is dead!
Well jeepers, the real problem for these guys is, we are always gaining lots of new people into the idea they should worship the pure devotee, and our people know that the reason these guys always talk about their dead posthumous corpse worship is, they are dead corpses themselves, and so they think even pure devotees and their followers are just like them. Worship of the pure devotee is corpse worship, for a person who is himself a corpse. Hee hee! And if the ritviks are all corpses, why do they always talk about us? Maybe because we are doing things, and they are not!
Anyway, I am glad they are finally just coming out and saying worship of the pure devotee is worship of a post mortem dead corpse, and he and his followers are all in the posthumous graveyard, that makes their position very clear, this is also what Kamsa, Ravana and others have said as well, so now its clear where they stand.
So its pretty simple, our idea is spreading and expanding, while Rocana and his idea that worship of Jesus is worship of a posthumous corpse in a casket is simply, not going to be popular. ever! This is amazing, Rocana thinks Jesus is a rotten corpse in a casket and only dead fools would worship such a post mortem dead guy. Did we forget to mention, that is why Srila Prabhupada says that people who consider the guru an ordinary (dead) person, are ALREADY residents of narakah? Hee hee, this is getting great, their real colors are emerging!
Of course Hanuman has had some sympathy for Bhakti Vikas swami, who is voted in as acharya simultaneously with sex with taxi drivers acharyas. Swell! Meanwhile Rocana and Hanuman never seem to show us where their actual program is? Do they have any? And is this because they are telling people, you will have to worship the graveyard of post mortem gurus to get to God? Who wants to join such a religion?
ys pd
What are these guys watching on TV?
Thursday, April 27, 2017
Wednesday, April 26, 2017
ISKCON Millions For Salaries
https://lastingimpression.info/salary_prema/
But not enough money to hire proper personnel to care for the children?
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/04/iskcon-gurukula-child-drowning-incident.html
But not enough money to hire proper personnel to care for the children?
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/04/iskcon-gurukula-child-drowning-incident.html
Tuesday, April 25, 2017
ISKCON Gurukula Child Drowning Incident
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/mathura-boy-drowns-in-swimming-pool-of-iskcon-run-school-4627847/
Mathura, Apr 25 (PTI) A 13-year-old boy karthik of 7th class drowned in the swimming pool of a boarding school run by the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISCON), police said today.
The incident took place yesterday when Kartik, a 7th class student in Delhi, was taking a bath in the pool of the Bhakti Vedanta Gurukul and International School (BGIS), Vrindavan station incharge Uday Pratap Singh said.
The victim’s friends alerted the school staff when they spotted him struggling in the waters, he said, adding the boy was rushed to a hospital where he was declared dead on arrival.
“Prima facie it is a case of negligence on part of the school management as no trainer was deployed near the pool at the time of the incident. Only, the school vice principal, who is not a trained swimmer, was present at the spot,” Singh said.
The body has been sent for postmortem, he said. The police added that no FIR has been registered in the case so far as no one (to date) has come forward with a complaint.
[PADA: Usual story, there are hundreds of millions of dollars on hand to pay for lawyers, and to make sure these lawyer have plenty of nice new Mercedes, while there is not fifty cents in the empty cupboard to hire a qualified supervisor for their school children.
Plenty of bucks for the $400,000,000 Dallas child abuse case.
Plenty of bucks for the $20,000,000 suing Bangalore case.
Plenty of bucks for the Syracuse case where they were sued for fraud.
Plenty of bucks for the BBTI lawsuit, allegedly, over $1,000,000.
Plenty of bucks to defend their foolish disciples in the Karnataka case.
Plenty of bucks to sue devotees for printing original books -- and to block these books from leaving the printers.
No bucks to hire proper care takers for children?
And now the 2017 GBC report says they might have to close these schools due to so many troubles there, well yep, the first trouble is, you have never given this project proper funding? ys pd]
Monday, April 24, 2017
Bhakti Vikas Swami "using arguments to justify child abuse"?
In Response to Bhakti Vikasa Swami
BY: SANAKA RSI DAS
Apr 23, 2017 — ENGLAND — Bhakti Vikasa Maharaj, could you clarify your Position on the use of Corporal Punishment?
Hare Krsna Bhakti vikas Maharaj,
Please accept my obeisance. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I am grateful that you have taken the time to reply to and for your Asirvaadam. I noted, however, that you omitted to address some of the more important points raised the first time around and that your reply published on the Sun is slightly different from the version you posted on your website.
It is concerning that in your response you make no mention about your views on the use of corporal punishment. I am told that some of your disciples are running schools; this would make it that much more imperative that your position on the use of corporal punishment is thoughtful, unambiguous and in line with the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.
I am grateful that you have taken the time to reply to and for your Asirvaadam. I noted, however, that you omitted to address some of the more important points raised the first time around and that your reply published on the Sun is slightly different from the version you posted on your website.
It is concerning that in your response you make no mention about your views on the use of corporal punishment. I am told that some of your disciples are running schools; this would make it that much more imperative that your position on the use of corporal punishment is thoughtful, unambiguous and in line with the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.
[PADA: First of all, the GBC is teaching children that God's successor acharyas are often falling into illicit sex with men, women and children. Why is the Bhakti Vikas program teaching this to children? At all? Is this not giving children corrupted teachings? Why does BVKS think we need to tell children that God's successors are often: Debauchees; Porno swamis; People who shoot machine guns; People who drink Vodka; People who smoke marijuana; People who gamble in Los Vegas; People who have oral sex with taxi drivers, and so on?]
For the benefit of the children involved, your disciples and for the ISKCON community at large, could you kindly clarify your stance? I apologize for my oversight in misquoting you when I omitted the word little in your statement "A little fear is good." I only listened to your class once and I didn't pay sufficient attention. Thank you for highlighting this.
For the benefit of the children involved, your disciples and for the ISKCON community at large, could you kindly clarify your stance? I apologize for my oversight in misquoting you when I omitted the word little in your statement "A little fear is good." I only listened to your class once and I didn't pay sufficient attention. Thank you for highlighting this.
[PADA: Well right, people who do not tow the line in the BVKS guru program are often banned, some have been beaten and some even killed. Has that increased the respect people are giving his regime? Nope! One ex-gurukuli told me that the gurukuli's program was like North Korea, the big shots were eating like Saudi Princes, and we got to eat old rotten moldy oatmeal, if we could find any. Yes, people fear North Korea, do they respect it? OK! Not so much ...]
While I agree with the first part of your statement, "Thus both state and religion invoke fear for the betterment of their wards." I don't share your conclusion. The intention in invoking fear in citizens is seldom as noble as you make out. More often than not, fear is just an expedient used by religious and secular authorities to control, exploit and manipulate the masses.
Frequently there are plenty of quotes supporting both sides of an argument. For this reason, rather than digging the Vedabase to find a quote that supports my current world-view and agenda, I prefer to attempt to gain an understanding of the overall body of instructions given on a specific topic. Just as an example, here Srila Prabhupada offers a very different perspective from the one you are promoting:
"Regarding your question should force be used on children, no, there shall be no forcing the children to do anything. Child should not be forced. This is all nonsense. Who has devised these things? If we want them to become great devotees, then we must educate the children with love, not in a negative way." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, December 10, 1972)
Using the fear of hell to inspire people to take up Krsna Consciousness is hardly ideal. I agree that material social norms are not a reliable reference for conduct because they tend to change whimsically with the times. When I mentioned social norms, I was making the point that, if our senior preachers (Indradyumna Swami and Bhaktividyapurna Swami) interact with young women and children in a manner that is not socially acceptable, this will likely have counterproductive effects on their preaching efforts.
[PADA: Right, under the GBC and BVKS regime ISKCON has had a huge divorce rate, supposedly around 90 percent. In any case its way above the standards for the karmi society. The GBC regime is creating more divorce than the normal secular society.]
In your class you openly endorsed and at least minimized the gravity of the inappropriate behaviour of Indradyumna Swami and Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj. Is your approval aligned with the standard set by Mahaprabhu in the story of Chota Haridas? Your position in the class is in stark contrast with your more recent letter:
"I certainly agree that everyone, especially sannyasis, should be extremely careful in dealing with women and children. It is good to be vigilant, as you are, to highlight serious errors so that they may be rectified".
[PADA: These problems are not being rectified, rather they are going on for decades.]
As these statements of yours appear to be contradictory, could you kindly clarify once and for all, what is your view on the way these two Sannyasis have interacted with women and children? I am not saying this to put you on the spot. They have breached the code of conduct required by their ashram and you have endorsed it.
While I agree with the first part of your statement, "Thus both state and religion invoke fear for the betterment of their wards." I don't share your conclusion. The intention in invoking fear in citizens is seldom as noble as you make out. More often than not, fear is just an expedient used by religious and secular authorities to control, exploit and manipulate the masses.
Frequently there are plenty of quotes supporting both sides of an argument. For this reason, rather than digging the Vedabase to find a quote that supports my current world-view and agenda, I prefer to attempt to gain an understanding of the overall body of instructions given on a specific topic. Just as an example, here Srila Prabhupada offers a very different perspective from the one you are promoting:
"Regarding your question should force be used on children, no, there shall be no forcing the children to do anything. Child should not be forced. This is all nonsense. Who has devised these things? If we want them to become great devotees, then we must educate the children with love, not in a negative way." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, December 10, 1972)
Using the fear of hell to inspire people to take up Krsna Consciousness is hardly ideal. I agree that material social norms are not a reliable reference for conduct because they tend to change whimsically with the times. When I mentioned social norms, I was making the point that, if our senior preachers (Indradyumna Swami and Bhaktividyapurna Swami) interact with young women and children in a manner that is not socially acceptable, this will likely have counterproductive effects on their preaching efforts.
PADA: Gurukulis children reported eating old rotten food, what do these get to eat?
[PADA: Well duh, preaching that God's successors are usually debauchees is not going to win people over to a religion, no kidding! This may however attract sexual deviants, sexual predators, and criminals, which is perhaps why they preach that way?]
Isn't Mayapura a source of a lot of these complaints?
What kind of gurus are you guys producing?
What? Returning the sins back to the disciples?
Have they fixed the Hrdayananda problem yet?
Hence I was highlighting the importance of being considerate and respectful of social norms. Their breach of social norms also happen to be unacceptable from the standpoint of the Vedic requirements of their Sannyas Ashram. I wasn't suggesting that we encourage abortion and divorce so as to gain the approval of the masses.
[PADA: Right, under the GBC and BVKS regime ISKCON has had a huge divorce rate, supposedly around 90 percent. In any case its way above the standards for the karmi society. The GBC regime is creating more divorce than the normal secular society.]
In your class you openly endorsed and at least minimized the gravity of the inappropriate behaviour of Indradyumna Swami and Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj. Is your approval aligned with the standard set by Mahaprabhu in the story of Chota Haridas? Your position in the class is in stark contrast with your more recent letter:
"I certainly agree that everyone, especially sannyasis, should be extremely careful in dealing with women and children. It is good to be vigilant, as you are, to highlight serious errors so that they may be rectified".
[PADA: These problems are not being rectified, rather they are going on for decades.]
As these statements of yours appear to be contradictory, could you kindly clarify once and for all, what is your view on the way these two Sannyasis have interacted with women and children? I am not saying this to put you on the spot. They have breached the code of conduct required by their ashram and you have endorsed it.
Try to imagine the far reaching repercussions this could have 50 years from today! A clear statement from you would help avoid confusion among your disciples in the future… or that you get misquoted by future generations.
I have taken an interest in the CPO for over 10 years now. I am aware that the CPO is flawed and that they have made many mistakes. The devotees that have served with the CPO over the years are, after all, fallible human beings like the rest of us, and for a number of reasons their service hasn't been ideal. To the best of my knowledge, cases where offenders were falsely accused or punished excessively are extremely rare.
Generally speaking, however, these shortcomings have favoured the perpetrators. Incidentally the cases you quote, Dhanurdhara Swami and Varkesvara Pandit are, along with Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, some of the individuals that benefited the most from the lack of a reliable and efficient CPO. Another element these three cases have in common is that Sesa das, our Minister of Justice, Education and GBC, decided to interfere in their defence.
Just to give you a brief example: the CPO normally operates by a standard of evidence known as "preponderance of evidence" which is commonly used in many civil courts of law around the world. Adjudications are determined by weighing up all the available evidence. If the majority of the evidence points to a guilty verdict, the defendant is determined guilty, without the need for overwhelming proof or certainty of guilt.
I have taken an interest in the CPO for over 10 years now. I am aware that the CPO is flawed and that they have made many mistakes. The devotees that have served with the CPO over the years are, after all, fallible human beings like the rest of us, and for a number of reasons their service hasn't been ideal. To the best of my knowledge, cases where offenders were falsely accused or punished excessively are extremely rare.
Generally speaking, however, these shortcomings have favoured the perpetrators. Incidentally the cases you quote, Dhanurdhara Swami and Varkesvara Pandit are, along with Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, some of the individuals that benefited the most from the lack of a reliable and efficient CPO. Another element these three cases have in common is that Sesa das, our Minister of Justice, Education and GBC, decided to interfere in their defence.
Just to give you a brief example: the CPO normally operates by a standard of evidence known as "preponderance of evidence" which is commonly used in many civil courts of law around the world. Adjudications are determined by weighing up all the available evidence. If the majority of the evidence points to a guilty verdict, the defendant is determined guilty, without the need for overwhelming proof or certainty of guilt.
This standard is used in CPO adjudications because the CPO has limited resources and does not have access to forensic investigators, but also because the penalties that the CPO can impose are very limited. For Dhanurdhara Swami's case however, Sesa das introduced a far greater standard of evidence known as "evidence beyond reasonable doubt" commonly used in criminal courts of law. This change effectively eliminated many statements and witnesses that would have otherwise weighed against Dhanurdhara Swami; this action alone greatly favoured his defence.
As if all of that was not sufficient, the GBC then issued an official apology to Dhanurdhara Swami for the troubles he underwent during the adjudication.
In the case of Varkesvara Pandit, many ISKCON leaders, most notably Radhanath Swami, Sesa das, Mother Malati among others, stepped up in his help. On the case of Varkesvara Pandit I encourage you to read the observations made by Kirtan Rasa dasa, who has served as a criminal prosecutor in New York. Should you be interested, here you can see a more recent update on Varkesvara Pandit's adventures.
I apologize for not providing clear references. The 1990 report on Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj is not publicly available, however, here you can read a transcript of the official CPO interview of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj. This interview explores the problems in the Mayapur Gurukula addressed by the 1990 investigation. It is a lengthy document, but if you take the time to read through it, you will gain a greater understanding of the extent and severity of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj's responsibility and negligence.
The 2015 investigation report for Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj that I mentioned is available here, under the name "Sri Radhe's Official CPO Case File". While this document is more focused on Sri Radhe's mishandling of the girls gurukula, under the supervision of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, it also covers the improprieties of Maharaj, and confirms many of the problems raised by the 2007 investigation.
Please note that the two investigations and adjudications that took place in the 2007 and 2015 were conducted and reviewed by an entirely different group of devotees.
Even if we want to allow for a very generous margin of error, we'd still have to accept that Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj's conduct over the years remained unacceptable.
If you take the time to read the history of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj and the sanctions imposed upon him for his crimes, you may well agree that the CPO was exceptionally lenient with him.
You mention that the 2007 investigation report includes letters of appreciation for Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj. What you don't seem to recognise is that the abuse of even one child is unacceptable, and it disqualifies a teacher.
It is true that many have good things to say about Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, and this certainly goes to his credit. This does not however, cancel out the dozens of children that he has directly and indirectly abused. You highlight the appreciations and completely disregard the several problems listed in the document as if they do not exist or are of no relevance on account of the fact that some parents were happy with his work.
You bring up the fallibility of the CPO as a justification to warrant your otherwise, seemingly arbitrary endorsement of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, but that's hardly satisfactory.
As if all of that was not sufficient, the GBC then issued an official apology to Dhanurdhara Swami for the troubles he underwent during the adjudication.
In the case of Varkesvara Pandit, many ISKCON leaders, most notably Radhanath Swami, Sesa das, Mother Malati among others, stepped up in his help. On the case of Varkesvara Pandit I encourage you to read the observations made by Kirtan Rasa dasa, who has served as a criminal prosecutor in New York. Should you be interested, here you can see a more recent update on Varkesvara Pandit's adventures.
I apologize for not providing clear references. The 1990 report on Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj is not publicly available, however, here you can read a transcript of the official CPO interview of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj. This interview explores the problems in the Mayapur Gurukula addressed by the 1990 investigation. It is a lengthy document, but if you take the time to read through it, you will gain a greater understanding of the extent and severity of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj's responsibility and negligence.
The 2015 investigation report for Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj that I mentioned is available here, under the name "Sri Radhe's Official CPO Case File". While this document is more focused on Sri Radhe's mishandling of the girls gurukula, under the supervision of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, it also covers the improprieties of Maharaj, and confirms many of the problems raised by the 2007 investigation.
Please note that the two investigations and adjudications that took place in the 2007 and 2015 were conducted and reviewed by an entirely different group of devotees.
Even if we want to allow for a very generous margin of error, we'd still have to accept that Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj's conduct over the years remained unacceptable.
If you take the time to read the history of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj and the sanctions imposed upon him for his crimes, you may well agree that the CPO was exceptionally lenient with him.
You mention that the 2007 investigation report includes letters of appreciation for Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj. What you don't seem to recognise is that the abuse of even one child is unacceptable, and it disqualifies a teacher.
It is true that many have good things to say about Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, and this certainly goes to his credit. This does not however, cancel out the dozens of children that he has directly and indirectly abused. You highlight the appreciations and completely disregard the several problems listed in the document as if they do not exist or are of no relevance on account of the fact that some parents were happy with his work.
You bring up the fallibility of the CPO as a justification to warrant your otherwise, seemingly arbitrary endorsement of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, but that's hardly satisfactory.
You rightly pointed out that making serious allegations that are not substantiated with concrete evidence can be perceived as abusive. Yet that is precisely what you have done; your support of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj and undermining of the CPO is highly disrespectful to his victims. All you have offered to support your position are two unrelated (to Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj) and unsubstantiated articles you found on the Sun…
Taking into account the severity of the actions and negligence Maharaj is responsible for, unless you provide convincing and tangible reasons backed by evidence / documents that show how, in the specific case of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, the CPO made serious blunders that have unfairly affected the outcome of his case, or that the sanctions imposed were excessive and unwarranted, you will come across as lacking in objectivity and credibility. At the very least you will be seen as placing your friendship towards Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj above your duty to defend Dharma.
What troubled me the most about the statements you made in your class is that these are some of the very same arguments that have been used to justify / dismiss the abuse of hundreds of devotee children over the last 5 decades.
P.S. Could you also clarify what is your understanding of the appropriate application of the verse Bhagavad-gita 9.30?
[PADA: Yep, Bhakti Vikas swami types have created arguments "used to justify and dismiss the abuse of hundreds of devotee children over the past 5 decades." You got it! ys pd]
Taking into account the severity of the actions and negligence Maharaj is responsible for, unless you provide convincing and tangible reasons backed by evidence / documents that show how, in the specific case of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, the CPO made serious blunders that have unfairly affected the outcome of his case, or that the sanctions imposed were excessive and unwarranted, you will come across as lacking in objectivity and credibility. At the very least you will be seen as placing your friendship towards Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj above your duty to defend Dharma.
What troubled me the most about the statements you made in your class is that these are some of the very same arguments that have been used to justify / dismiss the abuse of hundreds of devotee children over the last 5 decades.
P.S. Could you also clarify what is your understanding of the appropriate application of the verse Bhagavad-gita 9.30?
[PADA: Yep, Bhakti Vikas swami types have created arguments "used to justify and dismiss the abuse of hundreds of devotee children over the past 5 decades." You got it! ys pd]
At least Satsvarupa knows his future birth.
Sunday, April 23, 2017
Book Changers Revival in India
PADA: As we can see, Jayadvaita swami is worshiped recently as a big hero in India by GBC's clone heads. Here he is with Lokanath swami, who is called "Jokernath" by the female he was abusing some years ago, when she was only 11 years old. Yep, the whole gang is assembling to revive their changed books program by starting new legal actions against the original books, folks like Radhanath, Jayadvaita, Bhakti Caru, Jokernath, Jayapataka, and then we have people who lick the boots of the above like Bhakti Vikas Swami.
What makes Jayadvaita swami such a wonderful hero for the GBC folks?
1) He says members of ISKCON's guru succession (acharyas) are often falling into "illicit sex with men, women and children." Why does the GBC promote the worship a person who says their succession of acharyas are often debauchees, because they agree with this idea ... why else?
2) The BBTI lawsuit says Srila Prabhupada is Jayadvaita's "writer for hire." Yep, the acharya is the hired servant of Jayadvaita? Really?
3) Jayadvaita asks on a video, "Why in the hell are people chanting Prabhupada's name and pranams at the samsara prayers ceremony"? Oh I dunno, maybe because he is the acharya?
4) Then the Jayadvaita team legally blocked our books from being released from the printers.
5) Meanwhile the JAS program is worshiping Bhakti Balabha Tirtha, whose guru was perhaps the worst person to insult Srila Prabhupada (Madhava Maharaja), and Madhava is the founder of the bi-sexual acharya deviation of the Gaudiya Matha. That what we need in ISKCON, to worship the founder fathers of the illicit sex acharya's program of 1936? Why do they always end up promoting the illicit sex acharya's program's leaders and their disciples?
Of course, we could go on here extolling the other virtues of Jayadvaita's illicit sex guru's program, asking for example, why are they teaching little children that God's guru successors are often illicit sex debauchees? Is this part of the official ISKCON legal charter, statement of purpose, and / or corporate description, "Henceforward, little children shall be taught to worship an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara." Where is this stated in any official documents?
Its not, its fraudulent misrepresenting of Krishna and the Vedas.
Thus! What I would do, had I the facility and organizational powers in India, I'd start a fraud lawsuit in India. I would say these people have no authority to say Krishna and his guru succession are an "illicit sex with men, women and children guru lineage," and worse, to say Krishna's successive acharyas are often debauchees and deviants is an insult to the Vedic teachings of India, never mind its a total attack on Srila Prabhupada himself, he never agreed to this idea. And do we want the people who say Krishna's successors and India's holy saints are often debauchees, to be in charge of India's Vedic literatures?
Therefore, Jayadvaita is attacking India and its heritage, and he is discrediting the India culture and values world wide, therefore, he should not be handed off the job of re-writing the Vedas of India. Probably this would get into the press media and they would have a field day with this issue.
And lets not forget that Radhanath is, according to his ex-disciple, not even displaying Srila Prabhupada's books at his programs because they are "too controversial." And who is Radhanath? Oh I forgot, he is the ex-henchman of the worship of another illicit sex acharya, Kirtanananda, and who buried this sexual predator in the holy dham. We need to bury debauchees and sexual predators in Vrndavana? More evidence for a court case over there, they worship known sexual predators as their messiahs in the holy land.
Then we have guys like Yadubara and Visaka, who according to some associates, told some people recently they should cooperate with the "Krishna House" in Gainesville. Right, that's where they full on worship the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's spokesman / book changer / and so-called acharya Jayadvaita swami. Why does Yadubara think its a good idea to tell children they need to worship his illicit sex debauchees messiah's programs, ... because he is another Jayadvaita clone head himself? And why doesn't Yadubara even know that God and His successors are not debauchees? Ever!
Poor fellow Hanuman thinks we need to worship Bhakti Vikas swami, because he kisses the feet of all these people and he worships the founder father of the illicit sex acharyas / book changing / Third Reich book removal program named Jayapataka.
Of course ALL this begs the question, why do they want children to worship illicit sex with men, women and children guru lineages, and to re-write the Vedas to suit that agenda? Anyway, this is all fraud, its not what Krishna says, He never says the path to ME is to worship the JAS, Yadubara, GBC's molester messiahs project. So its simple, take that argument to court and sue them for fraud, and have them barred from the legal rights to control / edit / re-write the Vedic literatures. Anyone who says the Vedic acharyas are often having illicit sex with men, women and children has no authority to control the Vedas, and we think a court in India would agree. ys pd
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/03/iskcon-gbc-launches-third-reich-book.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2015/08/srila-prabhupada-is-writer-for-hire.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2015/04/radhanath-swami-vs-book-changes.html
Saturday, April 22, 2017
Deadly Radhanath Disease / BVKS / Bhakti Ballabha Tirtha etc.
By Hanuman das
Deadly disease
Deadly disease was spreading in ISKCON for years in form of Radhanath baba’s mayavadi philosophy. The idea is that by being philosophically deviated, associating with Mayavadis and sahajiyas and considering them friends, and generally being “smarter” than Prabhupada, you will attract a lot of followers and bring them to Srila Prabhupada lotus feet. In theory, this sounds nice, but it will never work.
Exactly the opposite is happening, as you will see from this article, as Radhanath’s clone army is growing, it is no longer possible to preach Srila Prabhupada’s original philosophy. You could see in last few days, I published articles where Radhanath baba’s own disciples, namely Jvalamukhi and Radha Madhava are rejecting him because of his cover ups and desire to change Prabhupada's teachings.
But today, I am going to publish something much worse. I will show you how disciples of other gurus are rejecting their own gurus, because their own gurus are covering up for Radhanatha baba.
The war is on.
This movie is not 100% about Radhanath baba, but it has a lot of his philosophy and his book is directly mentioned on couple of occasions. Keep in mind that one of main leaders in Russia, Bhakti Vijnana Goswami, is also follower of Radhanath baba. So, all the weirdness that is happening there is partially Radhanath baba’s responsibility.
[PADA: Not really, the whole GBC is responsible for this mess, since they have known all along that the Kirtanananda / Radhanath empire are deviated from the early 1980s, when they were sued by the Syracuse FEDERAL court (and lost), they had their drug mules arrested, and they were creating a criminal enterprise at New Vrndavana that was eventually raided by Federal Marshals. There was also the deviation where devotees dressed in brown monk robes, and countless other bogus things were going on there, and the GBC knew about all this and more because they sometimes went there, had meetings there etc.
After all this was made public, including the Sulochana murder and the Federal Raid, then the GBC made Radhanath, Devamrta, Kuladri,, Tapah Punjah and others -- their biggest leaders. And then later other big GBC folks buried the carcass of Kirtanananda in Vrndavana, along with Radhanath. The entire GBC are the people who have been enabling, empowering and foisting Radhanath and his henchmen upon the society, for decades.
Of course, apart from Radhanath other "reformers" like Trivrikrama, Indradyumna, Sacinandan, Prithu, Jayadvaita, Ravindra swarupa, Bhakti Vikas swami and many others were also "voted in" as acharyas alongside with the deviant ex-New Vrndavana group. So they are all co-conspirators or co-acharyas with Radhanath, and they are thus in the same voted in GBC guru party.]
In this movie, Krishna Nama das, is talking with his own guru, Indradyumna Swami, about all the weird preaching going on in Russia, and how authorities are oppressing him because he wants to preach Prabhupada’s original message. And he is especially mentioning 3 major issues propapaged by Radhanath baba: Mother Theresa's saintliness, Neem Karoli baba's divinity and mayavadi Krishna das.
It’s a very long video, so, I have broken it up to pieces so you can rewind to the part that which you want to listen.
Initial exposee by Mathura Nama das
1:20 Indirect preaching nonsense
1:55 Torsonov nonsense.
2:10 - Definition of indirect preaching
2:50 - We should not preach as Prabhupada preached
3:16 - Everyone will go away if we preach like Prabhupada,
MY COMMENT: This idea that if we preach like Prabhupada, everybody will leave, that is essential though behind everything that Radhanath baba is doing. Well, let me tell ya one thing, some of us will leave if we start preaching like
Radhanath baba.
3:42 - They asked Bhakti Vikasa Swami the same question
4:48 - Bhakti Vikasa Swami’s reply to this question.
[PADA: Right, Bhakti Vikas Swami was "voted in" simultaneously when the GBC recoronated Bhavananda as their acharya, which means in 1986 the GBC re-certified that sex with Taxi drivers if the qualification of an acharya. So Bhakti Vikas swami (BVKS) is an official "sex with Taxi drivers certified acharya" himself. BVKS says he is a diksha guru, because he is part of the sex with Taxi driver's guru parampara?
BVKS has never explained, why is he a card carrying member of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara? And why does BVKS keep saying that worship of his illicit sex guru sampradaya is in "the tradition"? Is there any religion on earth that has "the tradition" of worship of illicit sex as their acharyas and messiahs?
OK, BVKS has no discrimination, that ISKCON should not promote the worship of sex with Taxi drivers as its acharyas, rather he has promoted that deviation himself all along by being voted in ALONG with it. Did we forget to mention that the 1986 BVKS "guru reform" program excommunicated Sulochana, which lead to his murder, because Sulochana said there was rampant crimes going on here. So the GBC / Radhanath / BVKS program had to remove and discredit him, as the GBC and BVKS did? And by their demonizing Sulochana, they got him killed.]
5:37 - Indirect preaching means devotees dressed like karmis
6:14 - Indirect preaching - No preaching about Krishna or surrender to Krishna
7:20 - Nationalism = Materialism
11:28 - Restriction placed on teacher not to argue with devotees, because he didn’t accept mother Theresa is saintly.
[PADA: Right, mother Theresa is a saint, while the Prabhupada devotees are not. And that is why Radhanath and his GBC program is spending $20,000,000 suing the Prabhupada devotees to drive them out of Prabhupada's temples.]
12:43 - In the book Journey Home, mayavadis are glorified: Neem Karoli baba, Dalai Lama.
13:57 - Devotees are not given chance to give counter arguments to indirect preaching.
15:19 - Audarya Nama preaching not bonafide.
16:58 - Cancer treatment by Audarya Nama.
18:20 - Mathura Nama wanted open discussion, Mathura Nama was treated as rebel, REQUESTED TO STEP DOWN FROM BOARD AND LEAVE THE ASRAMA.
Accused they wanted to usurp the power. They told situation to BVKS, he replied that we want develop traditionally, no indirect preaching, guru-sadhu-sastra, another BVKS disciple Jagadish das kicked out from Kazan temple, BVKS said that Jagadish acted properly.
[PADA: BVKS has had us kicked out, and even murdered, by his ongoing support of the overall GBC. He has all along supported them and their idea that we need to worship these living deviants as acharyas. He says our Prabhupada pooja idea is bogus. And he is best pals with Jayapataka, where there are still problems in their schools because they never weeded out the deviants since 1977. Jayapataka was one of the people who said we need to keep the sex with Taxi driver acharya's program, and BVKS is his sannyasa disciple. BVKS is the car carrying disciple of the sex with Taxi driver acharyas program.]
21:06 - Jagadish das, brahmacari, distributing Prabhupada’s books for 15 years, was giving lectures according to sastra, temple president, regional secretary, told him: “You should not speak like Prabhupada, otherwise we will kick you out”, and this is what happened.
22:01 - We are exactly same position, declared banned out of ISKCON structure, can’t get books for distribution. Although they need Srila Prabhupada’s books to distribution.
MY COMMENT: This is how crazy ISKCON is today: Only way to get Prabhupada’s books and to distribute them, is to agree not to preach like Prabhupada. What a schizophrenic society did Radhanath baba create.
[PADA: No, whole GBC and their bucket boys like BVKS created this regime.]
Reply by Indradyumna Swami
MY COMMENT: This is most funny reply in the history of ISKCON. Instead of blasting nonsense, and there was ton of nonsense mentioned: Mother Theresa, Neem Karoli baba, you name it, Indradyumna Swami is silent about all the nonsense, but he says “I am traditionalist”. That is a new kind of traditionalist, who is not able to say one word against Radhanath baba nonsense preaching.
23:19 - Why not both?
MY COMMENT: Why not both, why not preach from Prabhupada’s books, and in the same time preach that Neem Karoli is saint, and that mother Theresa, cow meat distributor is also saintly. Ahm, I don’t think that will work.
[PADA: Right, this came up before, that Radhanath is saying that a meat eater is a saint and we should not be doing that, but the GBC failed to check his program. And people like BVKS were voted in as gurus simultaneously to Radhanath being voted in, they have the same guru beeja.]
24:20 - I am traditionalist, I am old school.
MY COMMENT: LOL
24:41 - People complain that I speak too directly.
MY COMMENT: LOL
25:45 - Festival of India
27:00 - Dressed as devotees
27:56 - There is room for another approach
29:00 - Airport karmi dress, distribute yoga, meditation
32:00 - Many people joined over psychology.
MY COMMENT: I met some Russian people, who were kicked out from ISKCON, such as Mathura Nama, for not accepting psychology nonsense.
33:55 - Prasadam, secret weapon.
[PADA: What is prasadam? Hanuman himself never explain this point either? You have to offer bhogha to the pure devotee, or its not prasadam. He never explains if he accepts this system or what?]
34:15 - PERSONALLY, I AM VERY TRADITIONAL.
35:00 - We preach WITHOUT COMPROMISING MESSAGE
MY COMMENT: Here, Indradyumna Swami is getting schizophrenic, message of Prabhupada is compromised by Radhanath baba long time ago. Otherwise, why Mathura Nama is complaining??? Why Mathura Nama is being kicked from his temple if message is not compromised? All he wants to do is to preach what Prabhupada preached. But he is not allowed to do that in Prabhupada’s own movement.
35:45 - Caitanya Mahaprabhu is innovative because of singing and dancing instead of lecturing in the temple
36:59 - PEOPLE DON’T LIKE CHANGE, CHANGE WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE MESSAGE,
MY COMMENT: So, when Radhanath baba, who is supposed to be sannyasi, engages in eye camps, and Prabhupada said: “In Bhagavad-gita there is no such statement that you take care of the eyes of the people. There is no such statement. That is your manufactured idea.” (Room Conversation – January 8, 1977, Bombay) Is that a compromised message or not?
37:45 - Change - Bhaktivinoda introduced nama-hatta
37:53 - Bhakti siddhanta innovator who shocked
38:15 - I am suprised Bhakti Vikasa Swami is speaking so strongly against innovative preaching BECAUSE HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT BHAKTI SIDDHANTA.
38:25 - Bhaktisiddhanta radical innovative preaching, that was him.
39:04 - I read book 3 times, I LOVE THAT BOOK.
MY COMMENT: Imagine this, Indradyumna Swami is defending Radhanath nonsense and all other nonsense by using Bhakti-siddhanta Sarasvati as an example, amazing stuff. So, when Radhanath Swami writes in his book Journey Home, that Neem Karoli baba is saintly, that Ramesh baba is his lifelong friend, that is same innovative preaching as Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati was going.
Well, dear Indradyumna Swami, since you claim that you read Bhaktisiddhanta Vaibhava three times, you surely know that Bhaktisiddhantha Sarasvati was greatest enemy of sahajiyas and mayavadis. Comparing Bhaktisiddhanta with Radhanath is really beyond level of good taste, and constitutes offence towards Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati.
[PADA: Yep, just see how foolish the GBC and their gurus are, they think that Radhanath, BVKS and others are acharyas, because they are certified as acharyas simultaneously when sex with Taxi drivers is certified as acharyas and all the above is "the tradition." That is what BVKS keeps saying, we have to worship his sex with Taxi driver guru certificate or "we are not in the tradition." The tradition is -- sex with Taxi drivers?]
39:15 - That’s where I get idea that you can be non traditional and get away with it.
39:43 - kurta coat, motors, festivals that people didn’t know they are coming to Krishna consciousness at all.
41:10 - Festivals Bhakti siddhanta, material and spiritual, jiu jitsu, circus, film shows, athletics, spiritual inner circle. Detailed explanation.
MY COMMENT: Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Vaibhava states that there were many mundane attractions at the Mayapura Pradarsani, for attracting non-devotees. But in his writing and speaking Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati was always straightforward, unlike deliberately vague, verging on Mayavadi, Radhanath baba.
47:20 - Kali progresses, vaisnavas must be innovative
48:00 - Tax your brains how to spread this movement.
MY COMMENT: Please, dear Indradyumna Swami, tell Radhanath baba to turn off his brain, if he starts taxing his brain how to spread this movement, some of us find it hard to survive that nonsense.
48:20 - Fine line
48:45 - I DISAGREE THAT RADHANATH MAHARAJ IS LIKE THAT.
MY COMMENT: Well, dear Indradyumna Swami, you can agree that Radhanath Swami didn’t cross the line, we are very happy that you finally aligned yourself as supporter of Radhanath Swami, you just lost a disciple for saying that, and I am sure you’ll lose many more.
50:00 - Bhakti for the Divine.
51:00 - They like him because he is not pushy,
51:44 - Maharaj makes more devotees than me.
MY COMMENT: Yea? Devotees of who? Idea is to be devoted to Prabhupada. Radhanath baba makes devotees who are devoted to hospitals, mayavadis and eye camps. And all those people are not really interesting in Prabhupada, finding him politically incorrect and old fashioned. Therefore, having failed to become fascinated by Srila Prabhupada, they are lingering on the sahajiya level of consciousness, often insulting to Prabhupada, and persecuting his real followers, their future is very dark.
52:02 - Politicians take initiation, I can’t do that.
52:10 - My most indirect preaching, is I wear jacket which says Russia.
54:45 - I agree with Bhakti Vikasa Swami, too much compromise is not good.
MY COMMENT: Yes, Indradyumna Swami maharaja, we agree at least once in this video.
55:25 - We must be very strict, but that will not attract people ??? Purity is the force.
57:00 - It’s not sinful Maya.
MY COMMENT: How about Ramesh baba disco dance? Is that sinful? Should we consider people like Ramesh baba to be our lifelong friends?
57:45 - Rock music
59:45 - I never go to rock concert and don’t allow devotees.
1:00:00 - Poison get washed away
1:01:30 - Crap rock music
1:02:30 - Given women gayatri mantra
1:03:20 - Room for both
1:03:40 - There is place for Sacinandana Swami and Radhanath Swami.
MY COMMENT: Yes, this is what I wanted to her, finally somebody made a place for sannyasis with girlfriends.
1:04:18 - Judge by result
1:05:00 - Both parties should preach, not fight, side by side
MY COMMENT: Seriously, you are telling this to your disciple who is getting
kicked from temple because he wants to preach what Prabhupada preached?
THIS IS EPIC
Reply by Mathura nama das:
1:06:30 - Devotees are influenced by mayavada sahajiya, leader of bhakti sanga claims mother Theresa is saintly. Krishna das is mayavadi.
Reply by Indradyumna Swami:
1:07:25 - Whenever you go to preach, there is always a chance for contamination.
1:10:00 - Strong sadhana, will not be attracted. We should preach to mayavadis, Krishna das should also get the mercy.
MY COMMENT: Dear Indradyumna Swami, preaching to Krishna das is one thing, ISKCON people organising tours for him and allowing him to contaminate devotees by his singing is another thing. Preaching to sahajiyas is one thing, And [claiming that they are out lifelong friends] is another thing.
1:11:00 - Prabhupada was associating with mayavadi dr Misra, and cured him from disease. Prabhupada many devotees by singing, not by preaching.
MY COMMENT: Prabhupada never converted mayavadi dr Misra to vaisnavism
1:12:00 - When associating with mayavadis, we speak their language a little bit.
MY COMMENT: Interesting, but Prabhupada never “spoke mayavadi language” a little bit. And Radhanath baba is speaking mayvadi language a lot, not little.
1:13:00 - Times have changed.
MY COMMENT: Yes, times have changed, Prabhupada’s followers were tolerating Radhanath baba for some years, and now we go to war
[PADA: Well the GBC is not merely tolerating, they are supporting and they also support his $20,000,000 lawsuit.]
Reply by Mathura nama das:
1:14:00 - How to develop simultaneously?
MY COMMENT: This is too painful to watch, disciple is pleading to be allowed to preach what Prabhupada preached.
Reply by Indradyumna Swami:
1:14:59 - Loyal independent, loyal to ISKCON but have my independent program. Generally, I don’t criticize , not publicly.
MY COMMENT: You are not loyal independent, you are loyal to Radhanath baba and agree with him 100%, you didn’t say one word against his deviations. And you are having no problems to disagree with Bhakti Vikasa Swami. There is no such thing as loyal independent.
[PADA: Right, when the deviation of sex with Taxi drivers was being discussed, people like BVKS said he needed to get voted into that sampradaya, and he is. None of them are independent of that deviation because they all went along with it, and they still support pillar members of that group like JPS. Indradyumna is BVKS fellow member because he too was voted into the sex with Taxi driver sampradaya.]
1:15:30 - If they want to become siksa disciples of Bhakti Vikasa Swami, that’s ok.
MY COMMENT: Damn right is ok, having Radhanath babas supporter as guru sucks big time, this video is proof of that.
[PADA: Why is taking shiksha from the sex with Taxi dirver's sampradaya ok?]
1:15:50 - Other persons are not doing anything devious, we should recognize the validity of it.
MY COMMENT: Here you have it, preaching about Neem Karoli baba is not deviation, mother Theresa is who was feeding people with meat is actually divine, organizing concerts with mayavadi Krishna das also not deviation, speaking mayavadi language “a little bit” is also not deviant.
And where is the line? Line is when you start opening brothels and selling drugs I guess. Everything before that is ok, as long as you are making devotees (since when Radhanath closed who don’t like Prabhupada are called devotees?)
1:16:51 - You can’t criticise their preaching because that is exactly what Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati was doing.
MY COMMENT: Epic, Radhanath baba is new Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati. EPIC, THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR FROM INDRADYUMNA SWAMI. NOW EVERYTHING IS CLEAR.
1:18:00 - All our acaryas, including Caitanya Mahaprabhu, preached indirectly.
MY COMMENT: LOL, no comment needed. At this point, I reached my limit. There is only certain amount of nonsense I can digest, you can watch the rest of video. there are around 50 minutes more.
The aftermath
As a result of this video, Mathura Nama das no longer considers himself disciple of Indradyumna Swami, doesn’t recite his pranama mantra, and he took shelter of real ISKCON guru.
[PADA: Mathura Nama took shelter of the sex with Taxi driver's acharya's sampradaya? Why is that better? Better than what? It might be better to worship mother Teresa and Jesus -- than BVKS and his sex with Taxi drivers acharyas?]
Basic function of real ISKCON guru is to explain difference between illusion and reality for the benefit of all. Indradyumna Swami obviously didn’t do this in this video, rather he sided with traitor of Prabhupada, Radhanath baba, who is promoting Ramesh baba, doing eye camps, opening hospitals, and preaching nonsense philosophy which is nowhere to be found in Prabhupada’s books.
Do you want to live in Radhanath’s new nonsense ISKCON where you are not allowed to repeat Prabhupada’s words? If you do, then stay silent, don’t complain and let Radhanath’s clone army conquer everything.
[PADA: Radhanath's program has gone on forever and no one really complained much about it for years, now that its deviations are emerging more clearly, the GBC is in a pickle because they promoted him so widely, how to retract that now without looking even more foolish than they already look?
Incidently, the GBC's and Jayapataka's Mayapura project, their world head quarters no less, is hosting the departure of a disciple of Madhava Maharaja, the person who insulted Prabhupada (I was there) and this is the BVKS sannyasa guru program? Why is the GBC promoting Bhakti Ballabha Tirtha, a disciple of Madhava Maharaja, one of the founder fathers of the 1936 bi-sexual acharya's program and one of the worst insulters to Prabhupada?
After Madhava left, Srila Prabhupada said we have to post a guard at my door because these God brothers might try to harm OR KILL ME. And these are the same people whose sampradaya we worship now? Of course Paramadvaiti swami from the Gaudiya Matha is also a fan of the Bhakti Ballabha Tirtha program, they are all united on these issues with the GBC.
And why is BVKS saying these Mayapura deviants are his sannyasa gurus? And why do these guys always end up glorifying the founders of bi-sexual acharyas, sex with Taxi drivers, Prabhupada insulting acharyas, and in sum, what Jayadvaita swami says is "illicit sex with men, women and children" acharyas? And why does BVKS say that his illicit sex acharya's program is "the tradition"? YS PD]
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/04/jehovahs-witness-group-banned-in-russia.html
Bhakti Vikas swami demonizes Prabhupada worship as "shameless deviation" is this because, he wants to get more of us killed?
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/01/is-bhakti-vikas-mj-inciting-more.html
Bhakti Vikas swami creates a society no one can live in?
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/12/bhakti-viksa-swami-iskcon-society-no.html
Deadly disease
Deadly disease was spreading in ISKCON for years in form of Radhanath baba’s mayavadi philosophy. The idea is that by being philosophically deviated, associating with Mayavadis and sahajiyas and considering them friends, and generally being “smarter” than Prabhupada, you will attract a lot of followers and bring them to Srila Prabhupada lotus feet. In theory, this sounds nice, but it will never work.
Exactly the opposite is happening, as you will see from this article, as Radhanath’s clone army is growing, it is no longer possible to preach Srila Prabhupada’s original philosophy. You could see in last few days, I published articles where Radhanath baba’s own disciples, namely Jvalamukhi and Radha Madhava are rejecting him because of his cover ups and desire to change Prabhupada's teachings.
But today, I am going to publish something much worse. I will show you how disciples of other gurus are rejecting their own gurus, because their own gurus are covering up for Radhanatha baba.
The war is on.
This movie is not 100% about Radhanath baba, but it has a lot of his philosophy and his book is directly mentioned on couple of occasions. Keep in mind that one of main leaders in Russia, Bhakti Vijnana Goswami, is also follower of Radhanath baba. So, all the weirdness that is happening there is partially Radhanath baba’s responsibility.
[PADA: Not really, the whole GBC is responsible for this mess, since they have known all along that the Kirtanananda / Radhanath empire are deviated from the early 1980s, when they were sued by the Syracuse FEDERAL court (and lost), they had their drug mules arrested, and they were creating a criminal enterprise at New Vrndavana that was eventually raided by Federal Marshals. There was also the deviation where devotees dressed in brown monk robes, and countless other bogus things were going on there, and the GBC knew about all this and more because they sometimes went there, had meetings there etc.
After all this was made public, including the Sulochana murder and the Federal Raid, then the GBC made Radhanath, Devamrta, Kuladri,, Tapah Punjah and others -- their biggest leaders. And then later other big GBC folks buried the carcass of Kirtanananda in Vrndavana, along with Radhanath. The entire GBC are the people who have been enabling, empowering and foisting Radhanath and his henchmen upon the society, for decades.
Of course, apart from Radhanath other "reformers" like Trivrikrama, Indradyumna, Sacinandan, Prithu, Jayadvaita, Ravindra swarupa, Bhakti Vikas swami and many others were also "voted in" as acharyas alongside with the deviant ex-New Vrndavana group. So they are all co-conspirators or co-acharyas with Radhanath, and they are thus in the same voted in GBC guru party.]
In this movie, Krishna Nama das, is talking with his own guru, Indradyumna Swami, about all the weird preaching going on in Russia, and how authorities are oppressing him because he wants to preach Prabhupada’s original message. And he is especially mentioning 3 major issues propapaged by Radhanath baba: Mother Theresa's saintliness, Neem Karoli baba's divinity and mayavadi Krishna das.
It’s a very long video, so, I have broken it up to pieces so you can rewind to the part that which you want to listen.
Initial exposee by Mathura Nama das
1:20 Indirect preaching nonsense
1:55 Torsonov nonsense.
2:10 - Definition of indirect preaching
2:50 - We should not preach as Prabhupada preached
3:16 - Everyone will go away if we preach like Prabhupada,
MY COMMENT: This idea that if we preach like Prabhupada, everybody will leave, that is essential though behind everything that Radhanath baba is doing. Well, let me tell ya one thing, some of us will leave if we start preaching like
Radhanath baba.
3:42 - They asked Bhakti Vikasa Swami the same question
4:48 - Bhakti Vikasa Swami’s reply to this question.
[PADA: Right, Bhakti Vikas Swami was "voted in" simultaneously when the GBC recoronated Bhavananda as their acharya, which means in 1986 the GBC re-certified that sex with Taxi drivers if the qualification of an acharya. So Bhakti Vikas swami (BVKS) is an official "sex with Taxi drivers certified acharya" himself. BVKS says he is a diksha guru, because he is part of the sex with Taxi driver's guru parampara?
BVKS has never explained, why is he a card carrying member of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara? And why does BVKS keep saying that worship of his illicit sex guru sampradaya is in "the tradition"? Is there any religion on earth that has "the tradition" of worship of illicit sex as their acharyas and messiahs?
OK, BVKS has no discrimination, that ISKCON should not promote the worship of sex with Taxi drivers as its acharyas, rather he has promoted that deviation himself all along by being voted in ALONG with it. Did we forget to mention that the 1986 BVKS "guru reform" program excommunicated Sulochana, which lead to his murder, because Sulochana said there was rampant crimes going on here. So the GBC / Radhanath / BVKS program had to remove and discredit him, as the GBC and BVKS did? And by their demonizing Sulochana, they got him killed.]
[PADA: Of course they are also killing the books, the GBC / Radhanath / BVKS program always glorifies the books changers. And now the GBC / Radhanath / BVKS folks are holding our books hostage with a lawsuit in India. We are not allowed to get our books ...!]
5:37 - Indirect preaching means devotees dressed like karmis
6:14 - Indirect preaching - No preaching about Krishna or surrender to Krishna
7:20 - Nationalism = Materialism
11:28 - Restriction placed on teacher not to argue with devotees, because he didn’t accept mother Theresa is saintly.
[PADA: Right, mother Theresa is a saint, while the Prabhupada devotees are not. And that is why Radhanath and his GBC program is spending $20,000,000 suing the Prabhupada devotees to drive them out of Prabhupada's temples.]
12:43 - In the book Journey Home, mayavadis are glorified: Neem Karoli baba, Dalai Lama.
13:57 - Devotees are not given chance to give counter arguments to indirect preaching.
15:19 - Audarya Nama preaching not bonafide.
16:58 - Cancer treatment by Audarya Nama.
18:20 - Mathura Nama wanted open discussion, Mathura Nama was treated as rebel, REQUESTED TO STEP DOWN FROM BOARD AND LEAVE THE ASRAMA.
Accused they wanted to usurp the power. They told situation to BVKS, he replied that we want develop traditionally, no indirect preaching, guru-sadhu-sastra, another BVKS disciple Jagadish das kicked out from Kazan temple, BVKS said that Jagadish acted properly.
[PADA: BVKS has had us kicked out, and even murdered, by his ongoing support of the overall GBC. He has all along supported them and their idea that we need to worship these living deviants as acharyas. He says our Prabhupada pooja idea is bogus. And he is best pals with Jayapataka, where there are still problems in their schools because they never weeded out the deviants since 1977. Jayapataka was one of the people who said we need to keep the sex with Taxi driver acharya's program, and BVKS is his sannyasa disciple. BVKS is the car carrying disciple of the sex with Taxi driver acharyas program.]
BVKS: I love to promote the worship of sex with Taxi drivers acharyas (and kick out the worship of Srila Prabhupada)!
21:06 - Jagadish das, brahmacari, distributing Prabhupada’s books for 15 years, was giving lectures according to sastra, temple president, regional secretary, told him: “You should not speak like Prabhupada, otherwise we will kick you out”, and this is what happened.
22:01 - We are exactly same position, declared banned out of ISKCON structure, can’t get books for distribution. Although they need Srila Prabhupada’s books to distribution.
MY COMMENT: This is how crazy ISKCON is today: Only way to get Prabhupada’s books and to distribute them, is to agree not to preach like Prabhupada. What a schizophrenic society did Radhanath baba create.
[PADA: No, whole GBC and their bucket boys like BVKS created this regime.]
Reply by Indradyumna Swami
MY COMMENT: This is most funny reply in the history of ISKCON. Instead of blasting nonsense, and there was ton of nonsense mentioned: Mother Theresa, Neem Karoli baba, you name it, Indradyumna Swami is silent about all the nonsense, but he says “I am traditionalist”. That is a new kind of traditionalist, who is not able to say one word against Radhanath baba nonsense preaching.
23:19 - Why not both?
MY COMMENT: Why not both, why not preach from Prabhupada’s books, and in the same time preach that Neem Karoli is saint, and that mother Theresa, cow meat distributor is also saintly. Ahm, I don’t think that will work.
[PADA: Right, this came up before, that Radhanath is saying that a meat eater is a saint and we should not be doing that, but the GBC failed to check his program. And people like BVKS were voted in as gurus simultaneously to Radhanath being voted in, they have the same guru beeja.]
24:20 - I am traditionalist, I am old school.
MY COMMENT: LOL
24:41 - People complain that I speak too directly.
MY COMMENT: LOL
25:45 - Festival of India
27:00 - Dressed as devotees
27:56 - There is room for another approach
29:00 - Airport karmi dress, distribute yoga, meditation
32:00 - Many people joined over psychology.
MY COMMENT: I met some Russian people, who were kicked out from ISKCON, such as Mathura Nama, for not accepting psychology nonsense.
33:55 - Prasadam, secret weapon.
[PADA: What is prasadam? Hanuman himself never explain this point either? You have to offer bhogha to the pure devotee, or its not prasadam. He never explains if he accepts this system or what?]
34:15 - PERSONALLY, I AM VERY TRADITIONAL.
35:00 - We preach WITHOUT COMPROMISING MESSAGE
MY COMMENT: Here, Indradyumna Swami is getting schizophrenic, message of Prabhupada is compromised by Radhanath baba long time ago. Otherwise, why Mathura Nama is complaining??? Why Mathura Nama is being kicked from his temple if message is not compromised? All he wants to do is to preach what Prabhupada preached. But he is not allowed to do that in Prabhupada’s own movement.
35:45 - Caitanya Mahaprabhu is innovative because of singing and dancing instead of lecturing in the temple
36:59 - PEOPLE DON’T LIKE CHANGE, CHANGE WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE MESSAGE,
MY COMMENT: So, when Radhanath baba, who is supposed to be sannyasi, engages in eye camps, and Prabhupada said: “In Bhagavad-gita there is no such statement that you take care of the eyes of the people. There is no such statement. That is your manufactured idea.” (Room Conversation – January 8, 1977, Bombay) Is that a compromised message or not?
37:45 - Change - Bhaktivinoda introduced nama-hatta
37:53 - Bhakti siddhanta innovator who shocked
38:15 - I am suprised Bhakti Vikasa Swami is speaking so strongly against innovative preaching BECAUSE HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT BHAKTI SIDDHANTA.
38:25 - Bhaktisiddhanta radical innovative preaching, that was him.
39:04 - I read book 3 times, I LOVE THAT BOOK.
MY COMMENT: Imagine this, Indradyumna Swami is defending Radhanath nonsense and all other nonsense by using Bhakti-siddhanta Sarasvati as an example, amazing stuff. So, when Radhanath Swami writes in his book Journey Home, that Neem Karoli baba is saintly, that Ramesh baba is his lifelong friend, that is same innovative preaching as Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati was going.
Well, dear Indradyumna Swami, since you claim that you read Bhaktisiddhanta Vaibhava three times, you surely know that Bhaktisiddhantha Sarasvati was greatest enemy of sahajiyas and mayavadis. Comparing Bhaktisiddhanta with Radhanath is really beyond level of good taste, and constitutes offence towards Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati.
[PADA: Yep, just see how foolish the GBC and their gurus are, they think that Radhanath, BVKS and others are acharyas, because they are certified as acharyas simultaneously when sex with Taxi drivers is certified as acharyas and all the above is "the tradition." That is what BVKS keeps saying, we have to worship his sex with Taxi driver guru certificate or "we are not in the tradition." The tradition is -- sex with Taxi drivers?]
39:15 - That’s where I get idea that you can be non traditional and get away with it.
39:43 - kurta coat, motors, festivals that people didn’t know they are coming to Krishna consciousness at all.
41:10 - Festivals Bhakti siddhanta, material and spiritual, jiu jitsu, circus, film shows, athletics, spiritual inner circle. Detailed explanation.
MY COMMENT: Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Vaibhava states that there were many mundane attractions at the Mayapura Pradarsani, for attracting non-devotees. But in his writing and speaking Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati was always straightforward, unlike deliberately vague, verging on Mayavadi, Radhanath baba.
47:20 - Kali progresses, vaisnavas must be innovative
48:00 - Tax your brains how to spread this movement.
MY COMMENT: Please, dear Indradyumna Swami, tell Radhanath baba to turn off his brain, if he starts taxing his brain how to spread this movement, some of us find it hard to survive that nonsense.
48:20 - Fine line
48:45 - I DISAGREE THAT RADHANATH MAHARAJ IS LIKE THAT.
MY COMMENT: Well, dear Indradyumna Swami, you can agree that Radhanath Swami didn’t cross the line, we are very happy that you finally aligned yourself as supporter of Radhanath Swami, you just lost a disciple for saying that, and I am sure you’ll lose many more.
50:00 - Bhakti for the Divine.
51:00 - They like him because he is not pushy,
51:44 - Maharaj makes more devotees than me.
MY COMMENT: Yea? Devotees of who? Idea is to be devoted to Prabhupada. Radhanath baba makes devotees who are devoted to hospitals, mayavadis and eye camps. And all those people are not really interesting in Prabhupada, finding him politically incorrect and old fashioned. Therefore, having failed to become fascinated by Srila Prabhupada, they are lingering on the sahajiya level of consciousness, often insulting to Prabhupada, and persecuting his real followers, their future is very dark.
52:02 - Politicians take initiation, I can’t do that.
52:10 - My most indirect preaching, is I wear jacket which says Russia.
54:45 - I agree with Bhakti Vikasa Swami, too much compromise is not good.
MY COMMENT: Yes, Indradyumna Swami maharaja, we agree at least once in this video.
55:25 - We must be very strict, but that will not attract people ??? Purity is the force.
57:00 - It’s not sinful Maya.
MY COMMENT: How about Ramesh baba disco dance? Is that sinful? Should we consider people like Ramesh baba to be our lifelong friends?
57:45 - Rock music
59:45 - I never go to rock concert and don’t allow devotees.
1:00:00 - Poison get washed away
1:01:30 - Crap rock music
1:02:30 - Given women gayatri mantra
1:03:20 - Room for both
1:03:40 - There is place for Sacinandana Swami and Radhanath Swami.
MY COMMENT: Yes, this is what I wanted to her, finally somebody made a place for sannyasis with girlfriends.
1:04:18 - Judge by result
1:05:00 - Both parties should preach, not fight, side by side
MY COMMENT: Seriously, you are telling this to your disciple who is getting
kicked from temple because he wants to preach what Prabhupada preached?
THIS IS EPIC
Reply by Mathura nama das:
1:06:30 - Devotees are influenced by mayavada sahajiya, leader of bhakti sanga claims mother Theresa is saintly. Krishna das is mayavadi.
Reply by Indradyumna Swami:
1:07:25 - Whenever you go to preach, there is always a chance for contamination.
1:10:00 - Strong sadhana, will not be attracted. We should preach to mayavadis, Krishna das should also get the mercy.
MY COMMENT: Dear Indradyumna Swami, preaching to Krishna das is one thing, ISKCON people organising tours for him and allowing him to contaminate devotees by his singing is another thing. Preaching to sahajiyas is one thing, And [claiming that they are out lifelong friends] is another thing.
1:11:00 - Prabhupada was associating with mayavadi dr Misra, and cured him from disease. Prabhupada many devotees by singing, not by preaching.
MY COMMENT: Prabhupada never converted mayavadi dr Misra to vaisnavism
1:12:00 - When associating with mayavadis, we speak their language a little bit.
MY COMMENT: Interesting, but Prabhupada never “spoke mayavadi language” a little bit. And Radhanath baba is speaking mayvadi language a lot, not little.
1:13:00 - Times have changed.
MY COMMENT: Yes, times have changed, Prabhupada’s followers were tolerating Radhanath baba for some years, and now we go to war
[PADA: Well the GBC is not merely tolerating, they are supporting and they also support his $20,000,000 lawsuit.]
Reply by Mathura nama das:
1:14:00 - How to develop simultaneously?
MY COMMENT: This is too painful to watch, disciple is pleading to be allowed to preach what Prabhupada preached.
Reply by Indradyumna Swami:
1:14:59 - Loyal independent, loyal to ISKCON but have my independent program. Generally, I don’t criticize , not publicly.
MY COMMENT: You are not loyal independent, you are loyal to Radhanath baba and agree with him 100%, you didn’t say one word against his deviations. And you are having no problems to disagree with Bhakti Vikasa Swami. There is no such thing as loyal independent.
[PADA: Right, when the deviation of sex with Taxi drivers was being discussed, people like BVKS said he needed to get voted into that sampradaya, and he is. None of them are independent of that deviation because they all went along with it, and they still support pillar members of that group like JPS. Indradyumna is BVKS fellow member because he too was voted into the sex with Taxi driver sampradaya.]
1:15:30 - If they want to become siksa disciples of Bhakti Vikasa Swami, that’s ok.
MY COMMENT: Damn right is ok, having Radhanath babas supporter as guru sucks big time, this video is proof of that.
[PADA: Why is taking shiksha from the sex with Taxi dirver's sampradaya ok?]
1:15:50 - Other persons are not doing anything devious, we should recognize the validity of it.
MY COMMENT: Here you have it, preaching about Neem Karoli baba is not deviation, mother Theresa is who was feeding people with meat is actually divine, organizing concerts with mayavadi Krishna das also not deviation, speaking mayavadi language “a little bit” is also not deviant.
And where is the line? Line is when you start opening brothels and selling drugs I guess. Everything before that is ok, as long as you are making devotees (since when Radhanath closed who don’t like Prabhupada are called devotees?)
1:16:51 - You can’t criticise their preaching because that is exactly what Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati was doing.
MY COMMENT: Epic, Radhanath baba is new Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati. EPIC, THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR FROM INDRADYUMNA SWAMI. NOW EVERYTHING IS CLEAR.
1:18:00 - All our acaryas, including Caitanya Mahaprabhu, preached indirectly.
MY COMMENT: LOL, no comment needed. At this point, I reached my limit. There is only certain amount of nonsense I can digest, you can watch the rest of video. there are around 50 minutes more.
The aftermath
As a result of this video, Mathura Nama das no longer considers himself disciple of Indradyumna Swami, doesn’t recite his pranama mantra, and he took shelter of real ISKCON guru.
[PADA: Mathura Nama took shelter of the sex with Taxi driver's acharya's sampradaya? Why is that better? Better than what? It might be better to worship mother Teresa and Jesus -- than BVKS and his sex with Taxi drivers acharyas?]
Basic function of real ISKCON guru is to explain difference between illusion and reality for the benefit of all. Indradyumna Swami obviously didn’t do this in this video, rather he sided with traitor of Prabhupada, Radhanath baba, who is promoting Ramesh baba, doing eye camps, opening hospitals, and preaching nonsense philosophy which is nowhere to be found in Prabhupada’s books.
Do you want to live in Radhanath’s new nonsense ISKCON where you are not allowed to repeat Prabhupada’s words? If you do, then stay silent, don’t complain and let Radhanath’s clone army conquer everything.
[PADA: Radhanath's program has gone on forever and no one really complained much about it for years, now that its deviations are emerging more clearly, the GBC is in a pickle because they promoted him so widely, how to retract that now without looking even more foolish than they already look?
Incidently, the GBC's and Jayapataka's Mayapura project, their world head quarters no less, is hosting the departure of a disciple of Madhava Maharaja, the person who insulted Prabhupada (I was there) and this is the BVKS sannyasa guru program? Why is the GBC promoting Bhakti Ballabha Tirtha, a disciple of Madhava Maharaja, one of the founder fathers of the 1936 bi-sexual acharya's program and one of the worst insulters to Prabhupada?
After Madhava left, Srila Prabhupada said we have to post a guard at my door because these God brothers might try to harm OR KILL ME. And these are the same people whose sampradaya we worship now? Of course Paramadvaiti swami from the Gaudiya Matha is also a fan of the Bhakti Ballabha Tirtha program, they are all united on these issues with the GBC.
And why is BVKS saying these Mayapura deviants are his sannyasa gurus? And why do these guys always end up glorifying the founders of bi-sexual acharyas, sex with Taxi drivers, Prabhupada insulting acharyas, and in sum, what Jayadvaita swami says is "illicit sex with men, women and children" acharyas? And why does BVKS say that his illicit sex acharya's program is "the tradition"? YS PD]
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/04/jehovahs-witness-group-banned-in-russia.html
Bhakti Vikas swami demonizes Prabhupada worship as "shameless deviation" is this because, he wants to get more of us killed?
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/01/is-bhakti-vikas-mj-inciting-more.html
Bhakti Vikas swami creates a society no one can live in?
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/12/bhakti-viksa-swami-iskcon-society-no.html