Friday, August 31, 2018
Bogus ISKCON leaders discover more unknown guru species!
This video is a hoot!
New species of GBC guru currently discovered:
The "not accepting disciples" species.
PADA's "new guru species" discovery project.
[PADA: The list of previously unidentified GBC guru species keeps growing. We have previously had:
The 2/3's show of hands voted in guru;
The machine gun guru;
The condom recommending guru;
The illicit sex with men, women and children guru;
The Vodka guru;
The chicken salad guru;
The porno swami guru;
The pro-women guru -- guru;
The anti-women guru -- guru;
The "there are no Indian bodied gurus, so lets make us Indian bodies folks into gurus -- guru;
The sex with taxi drivers guru;
The reinstators of the sex with taxi drivers guru;
Those gurus "voted in" when sex with taxi drivers was reinstated;
The Tibetan Book of The Dead reading guru;
The Sun King / Golden toilet fixtures guru;
The Cadillac / Volvo/ Town Car / Mercedes guru;
The LSD guru;
The decapitated for having sex with followers guru;
The dating minor aged female gurukula student guru;
The arrested for counterfeit money guru;
The arrested for fraud guru;
The arrested for shooting at occupied buildings guru;
The implicated in murders of dissenters guru;
The Brooklyn temple thieves program guru;
The book changer guru;
The drug rehab guru;
The percodan guru;
The Reno Hotel "good customer" guru;
The Gaudiya Matha loving guru;
The gopi rasika Narayan Maharaja club guru;
The sahajiya babaji club guru;
The Star Wars movie loving guru;
The bankrupting ISKCON by enabling molesting guru;
The burying sexual predators in samadhis guru;
The 50 man committee guru reform voted in gurus;
The Shastric Advisor Committee (SAC) managed guru;
The guru whose life we saved when we stopped the husband who wanted to blow the guru's head off, for having an affair with his wife;
AND SO ON, there are are thousands of more new species here, ad infinitum!
And NONE of these previously unknown guru species are found in Srila Prabhupada's books! And now we have, the "not accepting disciples" guru(s). OK what is that exactly? Apparently, its a scam so these people can still accept "donations from disciples" even after they have left the official GBC guru process. Yes, even after your guru ker-bloops back into the material world, he can still get money from disciples because, ok did we forget to mention this is a GURU BUSINESS!
And recently some of Gunagrahi's folks were "asking for donations" and, wait a minute, isn't he the former porno watching "parampara guru" swami? After taking the position that gurus in Krishna's parampara are maybe PORN ADDICTS, why would we still have this guy around, anywhere? Ooops, he is still on the guru list? He is still on Krishna's successor guru list, despite its well known he is a fallen conditioned soul?
Is this just like Satsvarupa was advertised by one of his followers as:
"Guru emeritus."
Emeritus: (of the former holder of an office, especially a college professor) having retired but allowed to retain their title as an honor. "Emeritus professor of microbiology." Right, but a retired Professor is a person who did the job properly, therefore he still deserves the title of respect? These deviated people promoted themselves as KRISHNA'S GURU SUCCESSORS, and they still deserve that title, after all of the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders their program generated?
Yep, Gunagrahi is still one of the good ole boys!
And while Gunagrahi and his pal Mahatma das (GBC guru) have been sitting around saying porno swamis are sometimes in the parampara, meanwhile "dissenters" (like us) are being banned, beaten and killed. And children are being abused, and there are various lawsuits, bad media, and so many other problems cropping up left, right and center, we cannot list them herein. So, the people who created this odious imbroglio are on some sort of permanent retirement payroll benefits system, complete with STILL HOLDING the titles of God's successor gurus and messiahs, like a retired congressman can still be addressed with that title?
OK except, the congressman did something beneficial to get rewarded, whereas these guys ruined ISKCON and bankrupted it, then -- they still get a big title, and financial benefits reward? Wow! They get to keep the title of parampara member / guru? Why! We cannot even print the cursing that various of the victims, like some ex-gurukulis, have had to say about these guru guys, who were eating giant feasts while these children were being fed rotten oatmeal etc.
Let me eat! OK fine! Oooops!
What happened to the kids eating program?
How can Gunagrahi still be a guru, albeit a not currently initiating guru, when he was watching porno while in the guru post? And how can we juxtapose "watching porno" -- and "guru," in any case? And! Are we telling children that: (A) the guru is God's pure successor and (B) God's guru successors are sometimes found to be watching porno? And he is still a guru now, its just that he is "not a currently initiating" guru"? Of course HANUMAN CROATIA's guru BVKS is "a member in good standing" in the porno swami guru parampara! His guru is a certified / voted in / member of that group.
What! Gunagrahi is a deviant, but still a link in the guru chain going back to Krishna, he is just not currently initiating? Why would we be telling children that God's guru successors are sometimes watching porno, at all? And Satsvarupa is still a guru, just a retired guru?
What planet is being shown in Satsvarupa's art?
Sorry, this art is not the work of "a resident of Vaikuntha" (!)
[PADA: And, why does Srila Prabhupada say we neophytes cannot become diksha gurus and absorb sins, in any event? That would mean none of these people should be on any diksha guru list, period.
Mukunda Goswami, messiah emeritus
Wait a minute? Didn't Nandini say Mukunda swami was covering up all sorts of complaints that came into his "ISKCON World Review"?, -- which in turn lead to all sorts of deviations if not crimes to flood ISKCON? And according to Nandini, the reason he covered things up is, "I have a career to protect." And so now he has been given an apparently unlimited medical and care treatment expense account, because we need to reward the people who co-created the deviant's infrastructure? And we need to give Gunagrahi, Jayapataka, and similar other leaders of the deviant guru process -- medical and care expense accounts too?
And lets not forget we need to care for many other leaders of the molester messiah's program like Bhavananda, Hari Sauri and similar others? And since Lokanath was caught abusing a young girl, he too is on the list of "Krishna's guru successors"? And many of these folks are gurus because, they had to be collectively sued for $400,000,000 for orchestrating mass child abuse?
Yes, we leaders (either individually or collectively) covered up the process of banning, beating, molesting, suing, murder of dissenters -- and unlimited other crimes, so we could later on milk the society for our personal retirement expense? Yep! And that proves -- I am God's successor, emeritus. Really! This is all word jugglery meant to keep the regime afloat, that's all. Hee hee. ys pd]
Atmanivedana Swami
Bhaktivaibhava Swami
Bhakti Bhrnga Govinda Swami
Bhakti Caitanya Swami
Bhakti Charu Swami
Bhakti Dhira Damodara Swami
Bhakti Gaurava Narayan Swami
Bhakti Gauravani Goswami
Bhakti Raghava Swami
Bhakti Sundar Goswami
Bhakti Vijnana Goswami
Bhakti Vikasa Swami
Bhaktivyasa Tirtha Swami
Bhakti VV Narasimha Swami
Bhakti-bhusana Swami
Bhaktimarga Swami
Bhurijana dasa
Bir Krsna dasa Goswami
Caitanya Candra dasa
Caitanya Candra Caran dasa
Candra Mukha Swami
Candramauli Swami
Caru dasa
Danavir Goswami
Devamrita Swami
Dhanvantari Swami
Dhirasanta Das Goswami
Drutakarma Das
Giridhari Swami
Giriraja Swami
Gopaswami Das
Gopal Krsna Goswami
Guru Prasad Swami
Hanumatpresaka Swami
Hrdayananda dasa Goswami
Indradyumna Swami
Janananda dasa Goswami
Jayapataka Swami
Jivananda Das
Kadamba Kanana Swami
Kalakantha Das
Kavicandra Swami
Kesava Bharati dasa Goswami
Kratu dasa
Kripamoya Das
Krsna Ksetra Swami
Lokanath Swami
Madhu Sevita dasa
Mahaman Das
Mahatma Das
Mahavisnu Swami
Manonatha Das
Matsya Avatara dasa
Medhavi Das
Nanda Kumar Das
Narahari Das
Navayogendra Swami
Niranjana Swami
Partha Sarathi dasa Goswami
Prahladananda Swami
Purushatraya Swami
Radha Govinda Swami
Radhanath Swami
Rama Govinda Swami
Ravindra Svarupa dasa
Romapada Swami
Rtadhvaja Swami
Sacinandana Swami
Samik Rsi Das
Sankarsana dasa
Satyadeva dasa
Sivarama Swami
Smita Krsna Swami
Subhaga Swami
Suresvara Das
Trivikrama Swami
Vaisesika Das
Varsana Swami
Vedavyasapriya Swami
Virabahu dasa
This list only gives the names of gurus currently approved and accepting disciples, but aspiring disciples are not limited to this list in their search for a guru. Devotees in ISKCON are free to approach any ISKCON devotee in good standing for initiation, whether or not they are on this list, with the following provisos:
1) If the prospective guru is a disciple of Srila Prabhupada or a departed guru and has not gone through the approval process, that prospective guru should go through the nomination process to accept disciples.
2) If the prospective guru is a disciple of a living guru, that prospective guru must obtain permission from his guru to initiate, and then go through the regular nomination process.
Not accepting disciples:
Bhaktividya Purna Swami
Bhakti Visrambha Madhava Swami
Bhanu Swami
Ganapati Swami
Gunagrahi Das Goswami
Jayadvaita Swami
Mukunda Goswami
Satsvarupa Das Goswami
Vegavan dasa
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/01/gunagrahi-swamis-cancer-fund.html
Bhakti Visrambha Madhava Swami
Bhanu Swami
Ganapati Swami
Gunagrahi Das Goswami
Jayadvaita Swami
Mukunda Goswami
Satsvarupa Das Goswami
Vegavan dasa
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/01/gunagrahi-swamis-cancer-fund.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/04/gunagrahi-swami-admits-pornography.html
Rupanuga was another one of the 1986 guru reformers. Wow, he thinks the guru is a deviant / criminal who needs to go to reform school / jail! Yep, and who is going to fix Krishna's shaksat hari tvena messiahs when they break down into illicit sex with men, women and children, or crimes? We know! Mr. Rupanuga and his mobile guru fix-it mechanic's shop!
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2018/07/rupanuga-was-right-there-for-guru.html
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PADA @ angel108b@yahoo.com
Thursday, August 30, 2018
Tuesday, August 28, 2018
Hanuman das Croatia: Making Corrupt Guru Regimes Great Again?
Hanuman das Croatia: Making Corrupt Guru Regimes Great Again?
----- Forwarded message -----
From: Mahatma das
To: Hanuman das
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2018, 19:23:14 GMT+1
Subject: Re: 108 List
Hare Krishna prabhu. Thanks for taking the time. I got the quotes I sent you, as they are from another devotee. I did not edit them. Some edit was made to show important parts and make mistakes on dates too. I which I was more PC savvy, but older PC illiterate here. We all have challenges. Thanks for the corrections. I assume they are right. Srila Prabhupada wanted this type of Istagosthi. It helps put things into perspective and gives opportunity for a future of more mutual respect.
From my view and those of others. it is obvious that we could agree on that Srila Prabhupada said 'it is said" Veda Vyas is living. We can agree he said, "I will never die. I will live for ever in my books and you will utilize." Said, "spiritual master is eternal." So if we read Srila Prabhupada's books, we are following the eternal Srila Prabhupada and his instructions as he said about those who read the Bible are following the eternal guru Jesus Christ and his instructions.
2. Krishna says the parampara is sometime lost, and He has to constantly re-appear to re-establish it -- age after age -- "Yuge Yuge." That means there are not always "living pure persons" continuing the system. Otherwise the system would never be lost?
There is of course scope for us neophyte people, those who are not liberated souls, to "pick up from the prominent acharyas" and follow them. Why is Hanuman implying that Krishna has no idea what He is talking about when He says, the system becomes lost, because there are at various time NO "living persons" to carry on the system?
Of course -- if Krishna says He has to come often and repeatedly to re-establish the parampara system, that means there are NO living persons available to properly represent that parampara occurring repeatedly and constantly throughout time. Hanuman says, this never happens? Why is he not reading the books?
Sorry! That means no, there are not always "living persons" present to represent the parampara. And that means the neophytes have to take shelter of the last link in the parampara during that gap. And that means we need to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada as the guru for the present time.
Hare Krishna prabhu. Thanks for taking the time. I got the quotes I sent you, as they are from another devotee. I did not edit them. Some edit was made to show important parts and make mistakes on dates too. I which I was more PC savvy, but older PC illiterate here. We all have challenges. Thanks for the corrections. I assume they are right. Srila Prabhupada wanted this type of Istagosthi. It helps put things into perspective and gives opportunity for a future of more mutual respect.
From my view and those of others. it is obvious that we could agree on that Srila Prabhupada said 'it is said" Veda Vyas is living. We can agree he said, "I will never die. I will live for ever in my books and you will utilize." Said, "spiritual master is eternal." So if we read Srila Prabhupada's books, we are following the eternal Srila Prabhupada and his instructions as he said about those who read the Bible are following the eternal guru Jesus Christ and his instructions.
What Srila Prabhupada is saying here, is that Jesus Christ is not dead, but lives in the Bible and gives instructions from the Bible. Of course, Srila Prabhupada is saying the same about himself, that he is not dead, he is living in his books and that whoever reads his books is accepting the eternal living guru Srila Prabhupada and his instructions.
Based on this and your stand, many will say that it is obvious that you don't understand or accept, or maybe you question if Srila Prabhupada in fact taught these things .At least it appears that this is what you believe.
Based on this and your stand, many will say that it is obvious that you don't understand or accept, or maybe you question if Srila Prabhupada in fact taught these things .At least it appears that this is what you believe.
My original idea was not to change your views, but to help you understand why ritvik Prabhupadanugas think as we do. Regarding Srila Prabhupada not giving an order for priests as practiced in the Christian religion as taught by Srila Prabhupada himself representing the eternal guru, who lives in and instructs from his writings as the Bible in the case of Jesus and Srila Prabhupada's books in the case of Srila Prabhupada, first of all, Srila Prabhupada did teach about priests or ritviks in the Vedic culture.
The Mahabharata teaches that Veda Vyas the author of the theistic system, is the Supreme ritvik. Various other Vedic literatures like the Bhagavatamas translated by Srila Prabhupada, do teach about ritvik (Ritualistic priest.)
Srila Prabhupada used ritviks for the initiation ceremonies of most of his disciples, who never met the original body of Srila Prabhupada. So we know of an order and practical use or application of ritviks before Srila Prabhupada left his body and we also have the signed July 9 1977 order on Initiations. where he states ritviks will conduct the ceremony and three times states that the devotees in the ceremony will be his initiated disciples. So you appear to not have known about ritvik or priest order from Srila Prabhupada.
I won't burden you any more, but I must add that the reason why we rirvik Prabhupadanugas believe that the ritvik order stands still for after Srila Prabhupada left his body, is because the original question on May 28 1977, about initiations was for "AFTER" you are no longer with us. Also, because his last will and testament states that only his initiated disciples can be executive directors of the ISKCON properties. Also,Srila Prabhupada teaches that the guru can not be selected by and eclectic vote as is done in ISKCON.
Srila Prabhupada used ritviks for the initiation ceremonies of most of his disciples, who never met the original body of Srila Prabhupada. So we know of an order and practical use or application of ritviks before Srila Prabhupada left his body and we also have the signed July 9 1977 order on Initiations. where he states ritviks will conduct the ceremony and three times states that the devotees in the ceremony will be his initiated disciples. So you appear to not have known about ritvik or priest order from Srila Prabhupada.
I won't burden you any more, but I must add that the reason why we rirvik Prabhupadanugas believe that the ritvik order stands still for after Srila Prabhupada left his body, is because the original question on May 28 1977, about initiations was for "AFTER" you are no longer with us. Also, because his last will and testament states that only his initiated disciples can be executive directors of the ISKCON properties. Also,Srila Prabhupada teaches that the guru can not be selected by and eclectic vote as is done in ISKCON.
Also, the original 11 are devotees who disobeyed Srila Prabhupada in various orders like the Direction of Management in 1970 and 1974, no more sannyas order after that, etc, and because of their dark characters. Three are suspects in poisoning Srila Prabhupada, at least other three are suspects in other murders, two in Sulocan prabhus and one in the murder of a devotee in Nepal. Practically all of them were court ordered to pay 26 million for child abuse. Practically all of them also, were ordered by a court, that Srila Prabhupada was not a ghost writer of his books as they claimed, but was the author of his books and the same court gave authority for Krishna books Inc, to print the original books, while ISKCON keeps changing Srila Prabhupada's books.
Again. This is only for you to learn why, there is a growing ritvik Prabhupadanuga culture. Thanks for the inter-action and reception.
Sincerely,
MD
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From Hanuman Das (Croatia)
Hare Krishna prabhu. The Prabhupada only paradigm or POP on Jesus and Christianity in part says, (I added two related quotes below).
TKG: Can a Christian in this age, without a spiritual master, but by reading the Bible and following Jesus words, preach the...
Again. This is only for you to learn why, there is a growing ritvik Prabhupadanuga culture. Thanks for the inter-action and reception.
Sincerely,
MD
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From Hanuman Das (Croatia)
Hare Krishna prabhu. The Prabhupada only paradigm or POP on Jesus and Christianity in part says, (I added two related quotes below).
TKG: Can a Christian in this age, without a spiritual master, but by reading the Bible and following Jesus words, preach the...
SP: When you read the Bible you follow the spiritual master. How can you say without? As soon as you read the Bible, that means you are following the instructions of Jesus Christ. That means you are following the spiritual master. So where is the opportunity of being without spiritual master?
Madhudvisa: I was referring to a living spiritual master.
SP: Spiritual master is eternal... so your question is, without a spiritual master. Without a spiritual master, you can not be at any stage of your spiritual life. When you read the Bible, you are following spiritual master represented by some clergyman, in the line of Jesus Christ. (July 21 1975. Room conversation.)
So such thing was said on July 21 1975 Check your sources, this is conversation from October 2, 1968, Seattle. Also, when you put three dots ... you are actually removing important parts to suit your agenda, full quote:
Prabhupada: Spiritual master is not the question of... Spiritual master is eternal. Spiritual master is eternal. So your question is without spiritual master. Without spiritual master you cannot be, at any stage of your life. You may accept this spiritual master or that spiritual master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept.
Madhudvisa: I was referring to a living spiritual master.
SP: Spiritual master is eternal... so your question is, without a spiritual master. Without a spiritual master, you can not be at any stage of your spiritual life. When you read the Bible, you are following spiritual master represented by some clergyman, in the line of Jesus Christ. (July 21 1975. Room conversation.)
So such thing was said on July 21 1975 Check your sources, this is conversation from October 2, 1968, Seattle. Also, when you put three dots ... you are actually removing important parts to suit your agenda, full quote:
Prabhupada: Spiritual master is not the question of... Spiritual master is eternal. Spiritual master is eternal. So your question is without spiritual master. Without spiritual master you cannot be, at any stage of your life. You may accept this spiritual master or that spiritual master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept.
As you say that "by reading Bible," when you read Bible that means you are following the spiritual master represented by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ. So any case, you have to follow a spiritual master. There cannot be the question without spiritual master. Is that clear?
So, Jesus Christ is represented by some priest in line of Jesus Christ. but Prabhupada never instructed his disciples to follow this system from pseudo, meat-eating parampara.
Reporter: Who will succeed you when you die?
SP: I will never die. I will live forever in my books and you will utilize. Berkeley California 1975
Regarding the parampara system. There is nothing to wonder for big gaps. We have to pick up from the prominent acarya and follow from him. (4/12/1968 Letter)
You are cheating again, removing part of the quote to fit your retarded agenda.
So, Jesus Christ is represented by some priest in line of Jesus Christ. but Prabhupada never instructed his disciples to follow this system from pseudo, meat-eating parampara.
Reporter: Who will succeed you when you die?
SP: I will never die. I will live forever in my books and you will utilize. Berkeley California 1975
Regarding the parampara system. There is nothing to wonder for big gaps. We have to pick up from the prominent acarya and follow from him. (4/12/1968 Letter)
You are cheating again, removing part of the quote to fit your retarded agenda.
Real quote:
Regarding parampara system: there is nothing to wonder for big gaps. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system—namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system.
Regarding parampara system: there is nothing to wonder for big gaps. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system—namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system.
We have to pick up the prominent acaryas, and follow from him. There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to.
As you can see from the quote, big gap doesn't mean that spiritual master is dead. When Madhva took initiation from Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva was alive and well.
SP: Just like Krishna can be simultaneously in millions of places, similarly, the spiritual master also can be present wherever the disciple wants. The spiritual master is the principle, not the body. (May 28-1968. Letter)
Yes, spiritual master is the principle, because all spiritual masters are preaching the same message, Krishna's message.
But, if you open Bhagavad-gita, Srila Prabhupada said that Bhagavad-gita is received in disciplic succession, and he listed all the gurus from him to Krishna. All the gurus in that line accepted initiation from the living spiritual master, not following the rtvik concoction.
ys Hanuman das
As you can see from the quote, big gap doesn't mean that spiritual master is dead. When Madhva took initiation from Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva was alive and well.
SP: Just like Krishna can be simultaneously in millions of places, similarly, the spiritual master also can be present wherever the disciple wants. The spiritual master is the principle, not the body. (May 28-1968. Letter)
Yes, spiritual master is the principle, because all spiritual masters are preaching the same message, Krishna's message.
But, if you open Bhagavad-gita, Srila Prabhupada said that Bhagavad-gita is received in disciplic succession, and he listed all the gurus from him to Krishna. All the gurus in that line accepted initiation from the living spiritual master, not following the rtvik concoction.
ys Hanuman das
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[PADA: A few problems with Hanuman's ideas.
1. The list of 32 gurus covering 5,000 years would mean, there are time gaps. Apparently Hanuman cannot do the math? In Hanuman's guru parampara, they worship Bhakti Vikas Swami as their guru. Why does Hanuman have to point out all the defects of the GBC's guru parampara, while Bhakti Vikas Swami is compromised and voted into the GBC's guru parampara?
Why isn't Bhakti Vikas Swami leading the charge to fight the GBC's deviations, and where has he been all this time as all these deviations have been piling up? Right, he has been hanging out with the GBC's gurus and acting as their best pal / supporter / voted in co-member.
Why isn't Bhakti Vikas Swami leading the charge to fight the GBC's deviations, and where has he been all this time as all these deviations have been piling up? Right, he has been hanging out with the GBC's gurus and acting as their best pal / supporter / voted in co-member.
Me and my guru bhai pals
2. Krishna says the parampara is sometime lost, and He has to constantly re-appear to re-establish it -- age after age -- "Yuge Yuge." That means there are not always "living pure persons" continuing the system. Otherwise the system would never be lost?
There is of course scope for us neophyte people, those who are not liberated souls, to "pick up from the prominent acharyas" and follow them. Why is Hanuman implying that Krishna has no idea what He is talking about when He says, the system becomes lost, because there are at various time NO "living persons" to carry on the system?
Of course -- if Krishna says He has to come often and repeatedly to re-establish the parampara system, that means there are NO living persons available to properly represent that parampara occurring repeatedly and constantly throughout time. Hanuman says, this never happens? Why is he not reading the books?
Sorry! That means no, there are not always "living persons" present to represent the parampara. And that means the neophytes have to take shelter of the last link in the parampara during that gap. And that means we need to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada as the guru for the present time.
Yep! Krishna Himself says that the guru chain system is lost over time, and He has to come personally and fix that. Hanuman says that is wrong, it is never lost because there is always a living person. Who is right? And again, why has Hanuman never studied these points, or even asked any of us, or read in Srila Prabhupada's books about these points? And why has Bhakti Vikas Swami never instructed Hanuman on these issues?
3. Visvanath accepted Narottama, but they were not living on the planet at the same time. I am not sure why Hanuman is implying that the system of accepting a so-called departed guru is a deviation, that would mean Hanuman Croatia is saying the entire parampara principle is a deviation. Why is Hanuman saying the Vaishnava parampara is a deviation, because there are gaps? That is what the smartas say, there is always a living person, and the Vaishnavas are bogus for having gaps. Why is Hanuman always taking the side of the atheists and pasandis? And why is he saying the acharyas are bogus people, at all?
4. How does Hanuman apparently propose that people can take initiation from Srila Vyasadeva, because he is living (but not manifest to us) somewhere in the Himalayas? That is the plan, we have to go find him? This is not practical, nor was this ordered.
5. Hanuman says that "2/3 show of hands voted in" Bhakti Vikas swami is a diksha guru, because he only says what Srila Prabhupada says. However, Bhakti Vikas swami is "voted in" to the GBC's deviated guru parampara. When was this guru voting process established by Srila Prabhupada? And why doesn't Hanuman know this is bogus?
What if some / many of the "2/3 show of hands voters" who voted in BVKS as the next acharya were watching football, or even watching porno, and then they went over to vote in Bhakti Vikas swami as the next guru in the parampara? How does Hanuman even know if some -- or even one -- of the GBC's persons who voted in BVKS as a guru are authorized to vote for acharyas in the first place?
And again, when and where does Srila Prabhupada order this guru voting system? And why does Hanuman think a guru is a person who is subordinated to the votes, authority and restrictions of -- a committee? In short, how do we know that some -- or any -- of "the 2/3 show of hands guru voters" are even qualified to vote for "best bag of peanuts in the store" much less -- vote for acharyas?
Did we forget to mention many / most devotees no longer accept that the GBC's guru parampara system as bona fide, including one of its top most critics -- Hanuman das of Croatia. How can we simultaneously accept a bogus guru parampara, and reject it?
What if some / many of the "2/3 show of hands voters" who voted in BVKS as the next acharya were watching football, or even watching porno, and then they went over to vote in Bhakti Vikas swami as the next guru in the parampara? How does Hanuman even know if some -- or even one -- of the GBC's persons who voted in BVKS as a guru are authorized to vote for acharyas in the first place?
And again, when and where does Srila Prabhupada order this guru voting system? And why does Hanuman think a guru is a person who is subordinated to the votes, authority and restrictions of -- a committee? In short, how do we know that some -- or any -- of "the 2/3 show of hands guru voters" are even qualified to vote for "best bag of peanuts in the store" much less -- vote for acharyas?
Did we forget to mention many / most devotees no longer accept that the GBC's guru parampara system as bona fide, including one of its top most critics -- Hanuman das of Croatia. How can we simultaneously accept a bogus guru parampara, and reject it?
6. Bhakti Vikas Swami is the sannyasa disciple of Jayapataka swami, and some of his followers say he is suffering from taking their sins. Ooops! Srila Prabhupada says we neophytes cannot absorb sins. Why is BVKS encouraging neophytes to take sins, and suffer, go mad, get sick, fall down, and die?
Sorry! Neophytes are ordered to NOT take the post of diksha guru and absorb sins, or they will have to SUFFER. Why doesn't Hanuman das know any of these facts? And why does he not even see the results going on right before his eyes, these people are suffering from taking sins, and they were told NOT to do so.
Conditioned souls cannot absorb sins, and if they artificially attempt to do so, they have to suffer.
Sorry! Neophytes are ordered to NOT take the post of diksha guru and absorb sins, or they will have to SUFFER. Why doesn't Hanuman das know any of these facts? And why does he not even see the results going on right before his eyes, these people are suffering from taking sins, and they were told NOT to do so.
Did I forget to mention that in the BVKS guru parampara, those of us who point to the banning, beating, molesting and murders program -- are shunned, vilified, exiled, beaten and murdered and so on? Srila Prabhupada says we should not make ISKCON into another Gaudiya Matha or Catholic Church.
Why is Hanuman supporting the BVKS guru program, which has us folks shunned (if not beaten and murdered) for opposing corruption? Did I forget to mention that the Hanuman / BVKS program of having us exiled and repressed is how all this banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders were enabled? And why does Hanuman never address any of this, neither does BVKS? ys pd
Why is Hanuman supporting the BVKS guru program, which has us folks shunned (if not beaten and murdered) for opposing corruption? Did I forget to mention that the Hanuman / BVKS program of having us exiled and repressed is how all this banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders were enabled? And why does Hanuman never address any of this, neither does BVKS? ys pd
Sunday, August 26, 2018
Pope Greeted by Protesters Over Sex Abuse (Dublin Ireland)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pope-ireland-visit-dublin-protesters-sex-abuse-scandal-catholic-church-francis-a8507541.html
PADA: This is also what we wanted the Krishna devotees to do years ago, protest the pedophile infrastructure / criminal operation / problems in ISKCON. Instead, we generally got a lot of flack for "making offenses," "making things up," being "a liar," "criticizing Srila Prabhupada's dearmost senior leaders and / or his God brothers" and so on and so forth.
Sorry!
The rank and file devotees also have had a duty to do -- what these people are doing, make a protest to have the religion cleaned up. And take action to hold the leaders accountable for orchestrating these types of criminal programs to flourish under their managing process. Sulochana said unless the rank and file wake up and demand justice, things will not change substantially.
Yep, religion and -- pedophiles. That's great advertising for God's church and / or the Krishna religion as well. Its sad that religion has come to such a state, but hey, it is Kali Yuga and we cannot ever overlook that fact. Unfortunately for them, Srila Prabhupada says the people who misuse religion for exploiting others are -- gliding towards hell. Agreed. ys pd]
Friday, August 24, 2018
Appearance of Lord Balarama Aug 25th (California time)
PURNIMA: Appearance of Lord Balarama is Saturday, August 25, 2018
(Fast till noon)
Who is Lord Balarama?
The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna, is the fountainhead of all incarnations. Lord Balarama is His second body. They are both one and the same identity. They differ only in form. Balarama is the first bodily expansion of Krishna, and He assists in Lord Krishna's transcendental pastimes. He is the source of the entire spiritual world and is the adi-guru, the original spiritual master.
He assumes five other forms to serve Lord Krishna. He Himself helps in the pastimes of Lord Krishna, and He does the work of creation in four other forms called the catur-vyuha (four armed) forms known as Vasudeva, Sankarshana, Pradyumna and Anirudha. He executes the orders of Lord Krishna in the work of creation, and in the form of Lord Sesa He serves Sri Krishna in various ways. In all the forms He tastes the transcendental bliss of serving Krishna. No one can approach Krishna without first getting the mercy of Baladeva.
Descent of Balarama
Whenever Krishna appears in the material world, He is accompanied by His associates and paraphernalia. Five thousand years ago when Krishna descended into the material world, He was first preceded by Baladeva. Only after Baladeva give His mercy did Krishna descend, such is the intimate relationship between Krishna and Baladeva.
When Baladeva appeared as the seventh child in the womb of Devaki, she could understand that this was a divine child and this made her all the more concerned about His safety. Even Kamsa could sense His potency and he became fearful, thinking he may have been tricked by the prophecy that he will be slain only by the eight child of Devaki. At this time Krishna instructed Yogamaya, His internal potency, to transfer the unborn child from the womb of Devaki to that of Rohini, one of the other wives of Vasudeva, who was hiding from Kamsa in the house of Nanda Maharaja in Gokul.
In this way Balarama was born in Gokul under the protection of Nanda Maharaja. Garga Muni the venerable kulguru (family priest) of the Yadu dynasty revealed to Rohini that the child she was carrying was indeed that of her husband Vasudeva. At the time of the name-giving ceremony he named the child Rama, one who gives all pleasures. Referring to the immense strength of the child, Garga Muni predicted that He will also be known as Balarama (bala meaning strength). Since He was forcibly attracted from the womb of Devaki to that of Rohini, He was also be called Sankarshana. As the son of Rohini He was known as Rohini-nandan and as the elder brother of Krishna He was also called
Douji.
The form of Lord Balarama
Powerful Lord Balarama is sixteen years old, full of the luster of youth and has a fair complexion the color of crystal. He wears blue garments and a garland of forest flowers. His handsome hair is tied in a graceful topknot. Splendid earrings adorn His ears and His neck is splendidly decorated with garlands of flowers and strings of jewels. Splendid armlets and bracelets ornament Douji's graceful and very strong arms and His feet are decorated with splendid jeweled anklets.
Lord Balarama's beauty is enhanced by the earrings touching His cheeks. His face is decorated with tilaka made from musk, and His broad chest is ornamented with a garland of gunja. Balarama’s voice is very grave and His arms are very long, touching His thighs
The splendor of Lord Balarama's transcendental form eclipses many millions of glistening rising moons, and the slightest scent of His boundless strength is sufficient to destroy many armies of demons. Although He knows the supernatural power of His younger brother, Krishna, still, out of love for Him, He never leaves Krishna alone in the forest even for a moment. Balarama is Sri Krishna's dearest friend and is a great reservoir of the nectar mellows of many kinds of transcendental pastimes.
Specific Pastimes of Lord Balarama Balarama slays Dhenukasura
Dhenukasura was a powerful demon who had assumed the form of an ass. With his demon friends he was occupying Talavana, one of the twelve forests of Vrindavana. Out of fear of these demons no one could approach Talavana and enjoy the numerous flowers and fruits in the forest. Balarama, induced by His cowherd friends, entered the forest desiring to kill the demons. He began shaking the fruit trees, making a big noise. Dhenuka, furious at the intrusion, attacked Balarama with his rear legs, but Balarama easily picked him up by his legs and whirled him around until he died. As the other demon friends of Dhenuka rushed to attack, Krishna and Balarama picked them up and threw them on trees, killing them. Soon the forest was free of all demons, and it appeared that the bent trees were being directed by Balarama to pay obeisances to Krishna.
Balarama kills Pralambasura
Once when Krishna and Balarama were playing with the cowherd boys, a demon named Pralamba entered their midst, disguised as a cowherd boy. Understanding the invincible potency of Krishna, he instead decided to abduct Balarama. At the end of the game, as the losing party he was supposed to carry Balarama on his shoulders. Carrying the Lord on his shoulders he ran swiftly, but Balarama realizing the true identity of demon began to make himself heavier and heavier. Unable to bear the weight, the demon assumed his original form which was like a huge dark effulgent cloud, decorated with golden ornaments. Balarama then bought His fist down the head of the demon splitting it into two and causing him to give up his life.
Balarama glorified by Krishna
As the elder brother of Krishna, Balarama was the object of His love and respect. Once when walking in the forest of Vrindavana, Krishna observed the trees bending down as if paying obeisances. He glorified the lotus feet of Balarama as being the object of devotion even for the demigods. He said that the trees, which were impersonalists in previous life times, witnessing the personal form of Balarama were now praying for His devotion. At other times when Balarama would get tired by playing, He would lie down the lap of one of the cowherd boys and Krishna would personally massage His feet, fan Him and give Him service. Such was the sweet reciprocation of love between Krishna and Balarama.
Yamuna devi chastised
Once Lord Balarama, Who was at the time living in Dwarka, came back to stay in Vrindavana for two months. At this time He enjoyed pastimes with His gopi friends (who were different from the gopis of Krishna). Enjoying such pastimes on the bank of Yamuna at Rama-ghata, the Lord summoned Yamuna so that He could sport in the waters. When Yamuna devi did not respond. Lord Balarama took up His favorite weapon, His plow, and began to drag Yamuna in a hundred streams. Understanding the position of Balarama, Yamuna devi personally appeared and offered her obeisances to the Lord with many prayers in His glorification. Thus appeased the Lord entered and bathed in the waters of the river.
Kauravas chastised Samba, the darling son of Jambavati and Krishna, kidnapped Laksmana the daughter of Duryodhana from the assembly were she was supposed to choose her husband. The furious Kauravas after a prolonged fight, finally arrested Samba by sending in six of their greatest warriors. When the Yadavas heard of this they prepared for battle but Lord Balarama pacified them, preferring to find a peaceful solution. However when He requested the Kauravas to return Samba and Laksmana, the Kauravas responded by insulting Him and the Yadava dynasty.
Understanding them to be ignorant in their false prestige, Balarama took His plow and began to drag Hastinapura into the Ganges. The terrified Kauravas now surrendered to the lotus feet of Balarama, begging for His mercy. They immediately returned Samba and Laksmana and had them married ceremoniously with many opulent gifts.
Balarama marries Revati
In Satya yuga there was a King named Raivata whose daughter Revati was excellent in all respects. Unable to find a match suitable for her, the king took her to the court of Brahma for his advise. After waiting for some time when the king met with Brahma, he was shocked to learn that in the short time he spent in the Brahmaloka, millions of years had already passed on Earth and at the time Dvapara yuga was concluding. However Lord Brahma informed King Raivata that present at this time was Lord Balarama Who was more than qualified to be the husband of Revati.
King Raivata returned and approached Balarama to accept Revati as His wife. However Revati belonged to an earlier yuga when people were much larger physically. So Lord Balarama placed His plow on her head until she shrunk to an appropriate size and accepted her as His wife.
Balarama and Mahabharata
In general Balarama was equally affectionate to both the Pandavas and the Kauravas. He accepted both Duryodhana and Bhima as His disciples in the art of mace-war. As a teacher He appreciated the superior technique of Duryodhana as opposed to the raw strength of Bhima. At the time of Mahabharata, He refused to take sides and instead went on an extended pilgrimage to the holy places. In the battle between Bhima and Duryodhana, He became angry at Bhima for killing Duryodhana by trickery, but was appeased by Sri Krishna.
Killing of Romaharshana
Towards the end of Dvapara yuga thousands of sages assembled on the banks of Naimyasharana to perform a thousand year yajna in an effort to reverse the onset of Kali yuga. They appointed as their leader Romaharshana, one of the main disciple of Vyasadeva, who was also present when Sukadeva Goswami narrated Srimad Bhagavatam to King Parikshit.
When Lord Balarama entered the assembly, understanding Him to be the Supreme Personality of Godhead, all present rose to offer Him respect. However Romaharshana, proud at occupying the position of the leader did not get up. Lord Balarama could understand that even though Romaharshana was a an expert Vedantist, he had not yet realized these teachings. Considering him unqualified to lead the ceremony, Balarama touched him with a blade of grass causing him to die. He then instituted Suta, the son of Romaharshana as the leader of the assembly and continued with His pilgrimage.
Mercy of Lord Balarama
Lord Balarama exemplifies the service attitude to Krishna. His only mission is to please Krishna by rendering service to Him, whether it is in the creation of the material worlds, maintaining the spiritual world or as His personal paraphernalia.
Lord Balarama is the eternal companion of Sri Krishna. He came as Lakshmana with Rama and later as Nityananda Prabhu with Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He is the original spiritual master, and any one desiring to make spiritual progress must first get the mercy of Lord Balarama.
All glories to Lord Balarama !! Reference : Srimad Bhagavatam, Tenth Canto.
Government Cover Up of Seer Laxmivara Theertha's Cause of Death?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mangaluru/shiroor-mutt-seer-lakshmivara-theertha-died-of-liver-cirrhosis-not-poisoning-forensic-report/articleshow/65502236.cms
[PADA: Yes, even us non-medical professionals cannot understand how the original investigation claimed to have discovered toxic weed killer type chemicals, causing internal intestinal bleeding and other severe symptoms, and now all of a sudden -- he instead died from apparent alcohol poisoning -- which generally does not produce these sudden and dramatic symptoms?
There were people saying there would be a cover up as to the actual cause of death due to paying off government officials and so on, to allow the apparent culprits a free pass, and this might be what happened? Or what?
Then people wonder why its so hard for our folks to get the poison investigation of Srila Prabhupada launched in India. Ummm, because justice is not easy to obtain there perhaps? If anyone has some inside info on this case, send to angel108b@yahoo.com. ys pd]
[PADA: Yes, even us non-medical professionals cannot understand how the original investigation claimed to have discovered toxic weed killer type chemicals, causing internal intestinal bleeding and other severe symptoms, and now all of a sudden -- he instead died from apparent alcohol poisoning -- which generally does not produce these sudden and dramatic symptoms?
There were people saying there would be a cover up as to the actual cause of death due to paying off government officials and so on, to allow the apparent culprits a free pass, and this might be what happened? Or what?
Then people wonder why its so hard for our folks to get the poison investigation of Srila Prabhupada launched in India. Ummm, because justice is not easy to obtain there perhaps? If anyone has some inside info on this case, send to angel108b@yahoo.com. ys pd]
Thursday, August 23, 2018
108 Names Of Krishna
108 NAMES OF SRI KRISHNA
Achala — Who is Still and Motionless
Achyuta — Who is Infallible
Adbhutah — Who is Opulant and Wondrous
Adidev — Who is the God of gods and goddesses
Aditya — who is the Son Of
Aditi Ajanma — Who Is Infinite And Boundless
Ajaya — Who is Beyond both Life And Death
Akshara — Who is Indestructible
Amrut — Who Is Sweet As Nectar and Immortal
Anaadih — Who Is The First Cause
Anandsagar — Who is an Ocean of Bliss
Ananta — Who is Infinite
Anantajit — Who is Ever Victorious
Anaya — Above Who There is None
Aniruddha — Who is the Lord of Obsticles
Aparajeet — Who Cannot Be Defeated
Avyukta — Who Is As Clear As Crystal
Balgopal — The Child Krishna, The All Attractive One
Bali — The Lord Of Strength
Chaturbhuj — Four-Armed Lord (Vishnu)
Danavendra — Who is the Granter Of Boons
Dayalu — Who is the Repositiory Of Compassion
Dayanidhi — From Whom Compassion is Born
Devadidev — Who is Supreme among Gods
Devakinandan — Who is the Son Of Mother Devaki
Devesh — Lord Of The Lords
Dharmadhyaksha — The Lord of Dharma
Dwarkapati — Lord Of Dwarka
Gopal — Who Plays With The Cowherds (Gopas)
Gopalpriya — Lover Of Cowherds
Govinda — Who pleases the cows, the Earth and all of Nature
Gyaneshwar — The Lord Of Knowledge
Hari — The Lord Of Nature
Hiranyagarbha — The All Powerful Creator
Hrishikesh — Who is the Lord of the Heart
Jagadguru — Preceptor Of The Universe
Jagadisha — Protector Of All
Jagannath — Lord Of The Universe
Janardhana — Who bestows boons on one and all
Jayantah — Who is the Conqueror of all Enemies
Jyotiraaditya — Who shines with the Effulgence of a Billion Suns
Kamalnath — Who is the Lord of the Goddess Lakshmi
Kamalnayan — Whose eyes are like Lotuses
Kamsantak — Slayer Of Kamsa
Kanjalochana — The Lotus-Eyed God
Keshava — Who Has Long, Black Matted Locks
Krishna — Dark-Complexioned Lord
Lakshmikantam — The Lord Of Goddess Lakshmi
Lokadhyaksha — Who is the Lord Of All The Three Lokas (Worlds)
Madan — The Lord Of Love
Madhava — Who is Lord of Nature
Madhusudan — Slayer Of Demon Madhu
Mahendra — Lord Of Indra
Manmohan — Who Captivates the mind utterly
Manohar — Who Attracts
Mayur — Who Has A Peacock Feathered-Crest
Mohan — Whose Beauty Intoxicates
Murali — Who plays the Flute
Murlidhar — One Who Holds The Flute
Murlimanohar — The Flute Playing God
Nandgopala — The Son Of Nand
Narayana — The Refuge Of All Beings
Niranjana — The Unblemished
Nirguna — Who is Beyond All Descriptions
Padmahasta — Whose Hands are Like Lotuses
Padmanabha — The Lord Who Has A Lotus Shaped Navel
Parabrahmana — Who is the Supreme Absolute Truth
Paramatma — The Soul of Souls
Parampurush — Supreme Personality
Parthasarthi — Charioteer Of Partha — Arjuna
Prajapati — Who is the Creator Of All Creatures
Punyah — Who is Supremely Pure
Purshottam — Krishna as the Supreme Soul
Ravilochana — Whose Eye Is The Sun
Sahasraakash — Thousand-Eyed Lord
Sahasrajit — Who Vanquishes Evil Hordes by the Millions
Sahasrapaat — Thousand-Footed Lord
Sakshi — All Witnessing Lord
Sanatana — The Eternal Lord
Sarvajana — Omniscient Krishna
Sarvapalaka — Protector Of All
Sarveshwar — Who is in Charge of all Gods
Satyavachana — Who speaks only the Truth
Satyavrata — The Truth Dedicated Lord
Shantah — Lord of Pure Peace
Shreshta — The Most Glorious Lord
Shrikanta — Who is Beautiful
Shyam — Dark-Complexioned
Shyamsundara — The All Attractive Dark Colored
Sudarshana — He Whose Sight is Auspicious
Sumedha — Lord of Intelligence
Suresham — Lord Of All Demi-Gods
Swargapati — Who Rules all Heavens
Trivikrama — Conqueror Of All The Three Worlds
Upendra — Brother Of Indra
Vaikunthanatha — Lord Of Vaikuntha, The Heavenly Abode
Vardhamaanah — The Formless Lord
Vasudev — Son of Vasudeva
Vishnu — All Prevailing Lord
Vishwadakshinah — Skilfull And Efficient Lord
Vishwakarma — Creator Of The Universe
Vishwamurti — The Universe Whose Form Is
Krishna Vishvarupa — Whose Universal Form Encompasses All
Vishwatma — Soul Of The Universe
Vrishaparvaa — Lord Of Dharma
Yadavendra — King Of The Yadav Clan
Yogi — The Supreme Master
Yoginampati — Lord Of The Yogis
Wednesday, August 22, 2018
Sinead O'connor Deserves an Apology / Tower of Babel
https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/sinead-oconnor-apology-catholic-church-child-abuse
[PADA: Yes. She called it correctly a long time ago, she said the Catholic Church is corrupt and is covering up large scale child abuse. She was then apparently vilified, shunned, banned from performing at shows, and she reportedly got threats. Its amazing that people like her, leading the charge on these issues, are given so much resistance, harassment, threats and so forth.
It seems like most people are very much concerned with "saving the mother Church" (or the mundane structure of the institution) rather than saving individuals, especially victims of corrupt institutions. This is the same identical problem we at PADA have had with the ISKCON GBC and their allies.
As soon as we began to object to the "big sannyasa guru leaders" (aka GBC) and their "guru schools" program, we were given a lot of resistance from their followers, and even a number of our own "senior" God bothers and sisters gave us a lot of grief. The good news is: a number of our God brothers and sisters -- by this time -- have apologized to us -- for their supporting the false gurus and their by-product abusive "schools" project.
Have some people, maybe only a smaller number of people, apologized to Sinead O'connor and / or PADA? Yep. And! Will many / most eventually apologize. Ever? Nope. Of course, that is because there are always going to be majority numbers of hold outs who still think that their support of the regime has been the right idea all along. All glories to the church! The church that stands for -- what?
Sinead O'conner seems to have had somewhat the same experiences as us at PADA.
Worse, we still have "hold out" folks -- like the followers of Sridhara Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja, Gaura Govinda Maharaja etc. who try to tell us these "senior advisors to the GBC guru leaders" were "just trying to keep ISKCON together" when they supported the false guru's regime. Oh yes, they were doing wonderful service ... keeping Satan in the seat of God's successor? Hee hee!
Is it "serving" the fire department -- by pouring petrol on the fire, and tripping up those of us trying to put out the flames? How is propping up the evil false messiahs project "helping" anything? Why don't they know that?
Same problem as the Church's folks. They mistook the external people dressed in robes and their buildings, or the corporate shell, for the actual essence of the religion. Its not. Its the same as mistaking the external shell of the material body for the soul. The external body is not the life essence. Its only the external shell. And the external shell will become lifeless if the essence is drained out, or taken away, just like a material body is a useless carcass once the soul is removed.
This is perhaps why an ex-gurukuli told me that the ISKCON temples are more like dead and empty ghost towns, graveyards, or mausoleums, the life force has been taken out. Are corrupted priests going in the same direction? OK there are some nice people in the institution, but can they save the institution without having the levers of power to do so? Not likely?
Another interesting parallel is that there was apparently only one main whistle blowing fellow who spear headed the Pennsylvania Church investigation. He was also ignored and shunned for many years together. He was interviewing victims and not making much headway with bringing this to the attention of the Church authority. Ditto for PADA. Me (and Sulochana especially) published complaints about the child abuse process -- and we simply made little headway. Or worse, we were banned, exiled, vilified, and in the case of Sulochana -- assassinated, for our efforts to clean things up.
Thus, the main person heading up the Pennsylvania investigation realized eventually, he would have to take the issue OUTSIDE of the Church authority to LAW ENFORCEMENT and the MEDIA. Yep, same exact thing we had to do. Oddly, many devotees tell PADA, "If there is a problem, why not go to the police, courts, and media"? Great idea! Ooops! As soon as we do that, then these same folks cry like lost puppies, why are people taking down the bogus Catholic priests and bogus GBC gurus by using external interventions? Oooh boo hoo!
So its a problem all over the Kali Yuga world apparently, the people who try to rectify women and children exploiting processes in a corrupted institution are often seen as evil agents who are "destroying the Church" and so forth. Needless to say, after we had several hundred children liberated from the GBC's program, by our making propaganda on this issue, we made many enemies from the corrupt corporate shell's worshiping program's followers.
Even way back when all of this started, people like Rupa Vilas, Visoka, and so many similar other of our God brothers could simply not believe that guys like Satsvarupa Das Goswami would have any ill intent in promoting himself and the other 10 GBC as "gurus." There has been a lot of sympathy for the leaders of the regime, and that has been the same case in the Catholic Church. "Well these leaders are doing their best" and so forth, its what we hear all the time.
In other words, there are folks that Srila Prabhupada calls "religious sentimentalists." And bogus religionists take advantage of these people who are on the sentimental plane, because they cannot fully discriminate the situation. Anyway, another interesting parallel is -- Sinead O'connor and a number of ISKCON devotees have apparently had subsequent bouts with some forms of depression, and that is natural when a person knows about the suffering of others -- and they cannot effectively challenge the situation. Its frustrating and we get that.
And now some folks are feeling guilty and apologizing, and that is good, but it does not benefit me personally really. However, its good for them to do that, to get a load off their own soul's burdens.
At the same time, we would say its FAR better to be depressed, but knowing that the ship is sinking. Better to be in a realistic frame of mind -- than to be an oblivious ostrich? Better to know our situation than to start dining, dancing and partying on the top deck, as the lower decks are filling with water and the people in the below decks are dying one by one as the ship sinks gradually. In sum, I'd rather know the reality than -- not?
Then! While we have had these major league large GBC ilk sharks trying to bite our heads off, an ex-gurukuli says we also have had to deal with the minor league smaller scale piranhas chasing us, who are ALSO trying to bite our heads off, such as: Bhakta das / Swarup Hebel / Kamsahanta / Peter / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardan / Krishna Kirtan / Pancali / HKC Jaipur group et al. ilk and crew.
They too essentially said that our efforts to halt the abuse is "destroying the mother Church." Oh boo hoo, the molester agenda is being disturbed. Gimmee a kleenex already! Recently a devotee said the Hitler-anugas part of this group was giving him severe harassment which discouraged him from preaching. OK they are bully boys, just like the GBC.
And prominent leaders of their group started advertising that PADA needs to promote and start to listen to Bhatka das, chief apologist, boot licker, advocate and overall pal of the GBC's gurus. Bhakta das has been a big defender of the GBC's gurus like Trivrikrama, Radhanath and others. Yep, the way to fix the sewage spill mess is, to promote the people defending and supporting adding more sewage to the mess! Wasn't Bhakta das busted for selling designer drug components, and later busted for some sort of sex complaint in Puri? And some of them say -- we also need to maybe listen to Hitler? That will fix things?
Then we have guys like Kailash / Rocana / Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia etc. The way to fix the first wave of bogus gurus, is to vote in another wave of bogus gurus? These guys are amazing, they seem to be saying -- just about anyone in the universe can be the guru, as long as its NOT Srila Prabhupada.
That would be the horrible ritvik deviation!
Yep, this basic idea was ALSO expressed even when Krishna was here. Sisupala said, we should worship this person, maybe that person, maybe all kinds of other people, as long as its NOT Krishna! Heh heh heh! These thinkers have been around since time began. Worship anyone, as long as its not the bona fide representative of God. In fact, some of these folks apparently think its better to worship the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara members -- like Bhakti Vikas swami, than to worship the pure devotee. Ya think so pilgrims?
In any case, the Bible has the story of the tower of Babel. They thought they could get to heaven by their own concocted process. Instead, they angered God and He thus condemned them and they fell into infighting and chaos, and the tower building was halted. Srila Prabhupada says; An artificial thing cannot stand; Do not go to the Gaudiya Matha; Suspend sannyasa; Make farms; Don't cheat the public; Take care of the children; Protect the women; When the leaders deviate they have to be replaced (they are not gurus), and so on.
These orders have to be taken up.
Or the whole thing becomes a deteriorated mess like the tower of Babel. Now there are many different camps competing and fighting over the left over remnants of the ISKCON society. None of these camps will have long range success unless and until the begin to follow the actual orders.
Personally, I have to say that the material energy is very amazing and totally expert at foiling various cheating efforts in the name of religion. As soon as people want to divert from the actual path, and disobey the orders of the pure devotee and Krishna, things will start to disintegrate. And then various signs of corruption will gradually over take the mission. And if Srila Prabhupada complained of being poisoned, then where does that leave things?
Therefore, all of this confusion, corruption and deviation is a sign that the superior orders are not being followed. And that means the material energy will more and more bind up the folks making these deviations, and make their situation more and more complex, and not so much enjoyable. To sum then, as soon as devotees deviate they become ensnared once again in the material energy, and this creates all sorts of problems both individually and collectively.
As we have witnessed in spades?
All glories to the Goddess of the material energy of the Lord! She keeps the conditioned souls, including materially minded so-called devotees, captured in a complex web of illusion, as long as they do not surrender to Krishna. That is the duty of Krishna's sevakas in the material world. Jaya Srila Prabhupada for helping us see through these illusions. ys pd
"So we have to be very careful in understanding Krishna Consciousness. ... To understand Krishna as He has spoken in the Bhagavad Gita or in other Vedic literatures through the right sources of disciplic succession that is our real knowledge. The idea is everyone should try to pace himself as if he doesn't know anything. His position is secure. But as soon as he says that "I know everything, and I was previously such and such...," That is actually rascal. So I know that you are trying to know things from the real source, and you are not puffed up like other fools who think that they know everything. Your humbleness is very much appreciated by me.
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Janardana (January 21st 1968)
"Our, this life, this conditioned life in the material world is just like the ocean of ignorance, ocean of ignorance. So Lord Caitanya, therefore, He prayed to Śrī Kṛṣṇa like this, ayi nanda-tanuja patitaṁ kiṅkaraṁ māṁ viṣame bhavāmbudhau: "My dear Lord Kṛṣṇa, I am just fallen in the ocean of ignorance." So we are in the ocean of ignorance. Now, in the ocean, if you get a very good boat or very good ship, as you can cross over, similarly, if we have the ship or the boat of perfect knowledge, then there is no fear. We can cross the ocean very easily. We can cross this ocean very easily."
Bhagavad-gītā 4.34-38
New York, August 17, 1966
"As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master. But unless he is on that platform he should not attempt it. Then both of them will to go to hell, like blind men leading the blind.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, December 14th, 1972)
”Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them.”(Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.7.14)
”And the rascal, blind leaders are leading everyone to hell. They are simply misleaders. People do not like to accept any authority. Still, they have accepted these rascals as leaders and are being misled. In this way both the rascal leaders and their unfortunate followers remain bound up by the stringent laws of material nature.”(The Laws of Nature, chapter 1)
”Generally a fashionable materialist engages a so-called spiritual master without any profit. The pseudo spiritual master flatters the so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and his ward go to hell without a doubt.”
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.19.37, purport)
[PADA: Yes. She called it correctly a long time ago, she said the Catholic Church is corrupt and is covering up large scale child abuse. She was then apparently vilified, shunned, banned from performing at shows, and she reportedly got threats. Its amazing that people like her, leading the charge on these issues, are given so much resistance, harassment, threats and so forth.
It seems like most people are very much concerned with "saving the mother Church" (or the mundane structure of the institution) rather than saving individuals, especially victims of corrupt institutions. This is the same identical problem we at PADA have had with the ISKCON GBC and their allies.
As soon as we began to object to the "big sannyasa guru leaders" (aka GBC) and their "guru schools" program, we were given a lot of resistance from their followers, and even a number of our own "senior" God bothers and sisters gave us a lot of grief. The good news is: a number of our God brothers and sisters -- by this time -- have apologized to us -- for their supporting the false gurus and their by-product abusive "schools" project.
Have some people, maybe only a smaller number of people, apologized to Sinead O'connor and / or PADA? Yep. And! Will many / most eventually apologize. Ever? Nope. Of course, that is because there are always going to be majority numbers of hold outs who still think that their support of the regime has been the right idea all along. All glories to the church! The church that stands for -- what?
Sinead O'conner seems to have had somewhat the same experiences as us at PADA.
Worse, we still have "hold out" folks -- like the followers of Sridhara Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja, Gaura Govinda Maharaja etc. who try to tell us these "senior advisors to the GBC guru leaders" were "just trying to keep ISKCON together" when they supported the false guru's regime. Oh yes, they were doing wonderful service ... keeping Satan in the seat of God's successor? Hee hee!
Is it "serving" the fire department -- by pouring petrol on the fire, and tripping up those of us trying to put out the flames? How is propping up the evil false messiahs project "helping" anything? Why don't they know that?
Same problem as the Church's folks. They mistook the external people dressed in robes and their buildings, or the corporate shell, for the actual essence of the religion. Its not. Its the same as mistaking the external shell of the material body for the soul. The external body is not the life essence. Its only the external shell. And the external shell will become lifeless if the essence is drained out, or taken away, just like a material body is a useless carcass once the soul is removed.
This is perhaps why an ex-gurukuli told me that the ISKCON temples are more like dead and empty ghost towns, graveyards, or mausoleums, the life force has been taken out. Are corrupted priests going in the same direction? OK there are some nice people in the institution, but can they save the institution without having the levers of power to do so? Not likely?
Another interesting parallel is that there was apparently only one main whistle blowing fellow who spear headed the Pennsylvania Church investigation. He was also ignored and shunned for many years together. He was interviewing victims and not making much headway with bringing this to the attention of the Church authority. Ditto for PADA. Me (and Sulochana especially) published complaints about the child abuse process -- and we simply made little headway. Or worse, we were banned, exiled, vilified, and in the case of Sulochana -- assassinated, for our efforts to clean things up.
Thus, the main person heading up the Pennsylvania investigation realized eventually, he would have to take the issue OUTSIDE of the Church authority to LAW ENFORCEMENT and the MEDIA. Yep, same exact thing we had to do. Oddly, many devotees tell PADA, "If there is a problem, why not go to the police, courts, and media"? Great idea! Ooops! As soon as we do that, then these same folks cry like lost puppies, why are people taking down the bogus Catholic priests and bogus GBC gurus by using external interventions? Oooh boo hoo!
So its a problem all over the Kali Yuga world apparently, the people who try to rectify women and children exploiting processes in a corrupted institution are often seen as evil agents who are "destroying the Church" and so forth. Needless to say, after we had several hundred children liberated from the GBC's program, by our making propaganda on this issue, we made many enemies from the corrupt corporate shell's worshiping program's followers.
Even way back when all of this started, people like Rupa Vilas, Visoka, and so many similar other of our God brothers could simply not believe that guys like Satsvarupa Das Goswami would have any ill intent in promoting himself and the other 10 GBC as "gurus." There has been a lot of sympathy for the leaders of the regime, and that has been the same case in the Catholic Church. "Well these leaders are doing their best" and so forth, its what we hear all the time.
In other words, there are folks that Srila Prabhupada calls "religious sentimentalists." And bogus religionists take advantage of these people who are on the sentimental plane, because they cannot fully discriminate the situation. Anyway, another interesting parallel is -- Sinead O'connor and a number of ISKCON devotees have apparently had subsequent bouts with some forms of depression, and that is natural when a person knows about the suffering of others -- and they cannot effectively challenge the situation. Its frustrating and we get that.
And now some folks are feeling guilty and apologizing, and that is good, but it does not benefit me personally really. However, its good for them to do that, to get a load off their own soul's burdens.
At the same time, we would say its FAR better to be depressed, but knowing that the ship is sinking. Better to be in a realistic frame of mind -- than to be an oblivious ostrich? Better to know our situation than to start dining, dancing and partying on the top deck, as the lower decks are filling with water and the people in the below decks are dying one by one as the ship sinks gradually. In sum, I'd rather know the reality than -- not?
Then! While we have had these major league large GBC ilk sharks trying to bite our heads off, an ex-gurukuli says we also have had to deal with the minor league smaller scale piranhas chasing us, who are ALSO trying to bite our heads off, such as: Bhakta das / Swarup Hebel / Kamsahanta / Peter / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardan / Krishna Kirtan / Pancali / HKC Jaipur group et al. ilk and crew.
They too essentially said that our efforts to halt the abuse is "destroying the mother Church." Oh boo hoo, the molester agenda is being disturbed. Gimmee a kleenex already! Recently a devotee said the Hitler-anugas part of this group was giving him severe harassment which discouraged him from preaching. OK they are bully boys, just like the GBC.
And prominent leaders of their group started advertising that PADA needs to promote and start to listen to Bhatka das, chief apologist, boot licker, advocate and overall pal of the GBC's gurus. Bhakta das has been a big defender of the GBC's gurus like Trivrikrama, Radhanath and others. Yep, the way to fix the sewage spill mess is, to promote the people defending and supporting adding more sewage to the mess! Wasn't Bhakta das busted for selling designer drug components, and later busted for some sort of sex complaint in Puri? And some of them say -- we also need to maybe listen to Hitler? That will fix things?
Then we have guys like Kailash / Rocana / Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia etc. The way to fix the first wave of bogus gurus, is to vote in another wave of bogus gurus? These guys are amazing, they seem to be saying -- just about anyone in the universe can be the guru, as long as its NOT Srila Prabhupada.
That would be the horrible ritvik deviation!
Yep, this basic idea was ALSO expressed even when Krishna was here. Sisupala said, we should worship this person, maybe that person, maybe all kinds of other people, as long as its NOT Krishna! Heh heh heh! These thinkers have been around since time began. Worship anyone, as long as its not the bona fide representative of God. In fact, some of these folks apparently think its better to worship the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara members -- like Bhakti Vikas swami, than to worship the pure devotee. Ya think so pilgrims?
In any case, the Bible has the story of the tower of Babel. They thought they could get to heaven by their own concocted process. Instead, they angered God and He thus condemned them and they fell into infighting and chaos, and the tower building was halted. Srila Prabhupada says; An artificial thing cannot stand; Do not go to the Gaudiya Matha; Suspend sannyasa; Make farms; Don't cheat the public; Take care of the children; Protect the women; When the leaders deviate they have to be replaced (they are not gurus), and so on.
These orders have to be taken up.
Or the whole thing becomes a deteriorated mess like the tower of Babel. Now there are many different camps competing and fighting over the left over remnants of the ISKCON society. None of these camps will have long range success unless and until the begin to follow the actual orders.
Personally, I have to say that the material energy is very amazing and totally expert at foiling various cheating efforts in the name of religion. As soon as people want to divert from the actual path, and disobey the orders of the pure devotee and Krishna, things will start to disintegrate. And then various signs of corruption will gradually over take the mission. And if Srila Prabhupada complained of being poisoned, then where does that leave things?
Therefore, all of this confusion, corruption and deviation is a sign that the superior orders are not being followed. And that means the material energy will more and more bind up the folks making these deviations, and make their situation more and more complex, and not so much enjoyable. To sum then, as soon as devotees deviate they become ensnared once again in the material energy, and this creates all sorts of problems both individually and collectively.
As we have witnessed in spades?
All glories to the Goddess of the material energy of the Lord! She keeps the conditioned souls, including materially minded so-called devotees, captured in a complex web of illusion, as long as they do not surrender to Krishna. That is the duty of Krishna's sevakas in the material world. Jaya Srila Prabhupada for helping us see through these illusions. ys pd
"So we have to be very careful in understanding Krishna Consciousness. ... To understand Krishna as He has spoken in the Bhagavad Gita or in other Vedic literatures through the right sources of disciplic succession that is our real knowledge. The idea is everyone should try to pace himself as if he doesn't know anything. His position is secure. But as soon as he says that "I know everything, and I was previously such and such...," That is actually rascal. So I know that you are trying to know things from the real source, and you are not puffed up like other fools who think that they know everything. Your humbleness is very much appreciated by me.
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Janardana (January 21st 1968)
"Our, this life, this conditioned life in the material world is just like the ocean of ignorance, ocean of ignorance. So Lord Caitanya, therefore, He prayed to Śrī Kṛṣṇa like this, ayi nanda-tanuja patitaṁ kiṅkaraṁ māṁ viṣame bhavāmbudhau: "My dear Lord Kṛṣṇa, I am just fallen in the ocean of ignorance." So we are in the ocean of ignorance. Now, in the ocean, if you get a very good boat or very good ship, as you can cross over, similarly, if we have the ship or the boat of perfect knowledge, then there is no fear. We can cross the ocean very easily. We can cross this ocean very easily."
Bhagavad-gītā 4.34-38
New York, August 17, 1966
"As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master. But unless he is on that platform he should not attempt it. Then both of them will to go to hell, like blind men leading the blind.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, December 14th, 1972)
”Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them.”(Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.7.14)
”And the rascal, blind leaders are leading everyone to hell. They are simply misleaders. People do not like to accept any authority. Still, they have accepted these rascals as leaders and are being misled. In this way both the rascal leaders and their unfortunate followers remain bound up by the stringent laws of material nature.”(The Laws of Nature, chapter 1)
”Generally a fashionable materialist engages a so-called spiritual master without any profit. The pseudo spiritual master flatters the so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and his ward go to hell without a doubt.”
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.19.37, purport)