PADA: Handing off the "investigation of the poison issue" to GBC's executive committee clone heads, i.e. cover ups, experts in the art of obstruction, obfuscation and waffling -- like Brahma Tirtha, is just not going to produce a result that will satisfy the Vaishnavas. The GBC is always trying to run out the clock on all sorts of controversies, and this is just another example.
Something really went wrong with Srila Prabhupada's UNTIMELY departure, and we are not going to be happy seeing more cover up and obfuscation experts handling the matter. Someone told me this is the same thing with "investigations" into politicians in the USA. The "investigation" goes endlessly on and on, and lasts for 4 years, or more, and then the guy is out of office. So nothing is ever concluded and the investigation stops because he ran out the clock.
We cannot handle Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint the same way. In other words, the GBC has already had since 1997 to "investigate" and make a sensible and concrete ruling, but none of that has ever happened because they are foot dragging the issue. We cannot rely on these foot dragging experts to come up with a rational and practical response.
A nurse friend of mine told me, if a holy man is assassinated gradually with toxic heavy metal poison, it would be like the crucifixion -- except it would have lasted for months and maybe years instead of a few days. This nurse has handled other poison cases, sometime intentional and sometimes accidental, and she says -- "poison is one of the worst ways to cause a death."
We need to put an end to all the foot dragging.
ys pd angel108b@yahoo.co
November 12, 2024
To: ISKCON GBC Executive Committee
Dear Guru Prasada Swami, Tapana Misra Prabhu and Govardhana Prabhu,
Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna. Thank you for your letter dated November 2nd, 2024, acknowledging receipt of our letter dated September 16th, 2024. “We are ready to meet with you and discuss the subject matter of the letter.” We are glad to hear this.
Our letter dated September 16th, 2024 included this report from Truth Labs Forensic Services-
Our letter dated September 16th, 2024 included this report from Truth Labs Forensic Services-
That letter dated September 16th also included this video-audio-text presentation, also prepared by the forensic scientists of Truth Labs-
We were hoping that close study of that report, in conjunction with the video-audio-text presentation, would move the ISKCON GBC, including the ISKCON GBC Executive Committee, to realize that their official position, “There is no evidence at this time to support the allegations of poisoning of Srila Prabhupada”, is scientifically and rationally untenable.
We are of the view, that is supported and strengthened by the responses received by us from hundreds of sincere followers of Srila Prabhupada, that the above stated evidence is sufficient, even for a layperson, to conclude that there was foul play involved in the departure of Srila Prabhupada in November 1977.
The contents of your acknowledgment letter, however, indicate that the GBC Executive Committee is still not ready to accept this fact but is more interested to conduct a post-mortem of the evidence with us through your institute, the Bhaktivedanta Institute for Higher Studies, as if the GBC Executive Committee is the final investigating and adjudicatory body.
The very purpose of sending the letter dated 16th September 2024 to the GBC, along with the pack of evidence, was to invite your attention to these latest credible pieces of evidence and to seek your cooperation in referring this immensely significant issue of the unnatural departure of Srila Prabhupada, to the investigating agencies for an open and fair investigation. In this way, this issue could finally see a logical conclusion and the voice of a large section of practitioners of Krsna consciousness like us who are fighting for Justice for Srila Prabhpada for a fairly long period could be heard and addressed.
We hope that the GBC Executive Committee will appreciate our concerns, that are not governed by any self-interest, and that are intended to serve the founder of the Hare Krishna Movement and ISKCON.
In this regard, we’re willing to arrange a preliminary meeting with all or some members of the GBC Executive Committee to discuss modalities for finding common ground in the interest of Srila Prabhupada, his followers, and devotees. We ask that you reply to this letter within two weeks of the date of the letter.
We hope this meets you well in service to Srila Prabhupada and his mission.
We hope this meets you well in service to Srila Prabhupada and his mission.
Your servants,
Naveen Krsna dasa
Dhira Govinda dasa
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“POISONING IS AFFIRMED AND ACCEPTED -
Dhira Govinda dasa
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“POISONING IS AFFIRMED AND ACCEPTED -
The previous day ended with Srila Prabhupada seemingly reluctant to talk about his poisoning, but now talk of actual poisoning is again in the forefront. No longer does Srila Prabhupada say, “It’s possible.” Poisoning now has become a factual reality and everyone is quite shocked, clearly evident by the consequent flurry of conversation.
Whether Srila Prabhupada earlier said he was in fact poisoned is now irrelevant. Everyone present proceeds to affirm and acknowledge that Srila Prabhupada was saying that he thought he had been maliciously poisoned in an attempt to kill him. The acknowledgement of malicilous poisoning is evident by 11 confirmations:
(1) In TKG’s Diary, it is said: “Prabhupada disclosed his thoughts that someone has poisoned him.”
(2) Bhakticharu confirms: “...he thinks that someone gave him poison here.”
(3) The kaviraja also confirms: “...some demon has given (poison). This can happen. It’s not impossible.”
(4) Tamal repeats: “Prabhupada was thinking that someone poisoned him?”
(5) Bhakticharu answers Tamal’s question, “Yes.”
(6) Then the kaviraja: “This is what he says, then there must be some truth in it. In this there is no doubt.”
(7) Bhakticharu repeats the kaviraja’s words: “He said that when Srila Prabhupada was saying that, there must be something truth behind it.”
(8)Tamal’s “Sheessssh!” is an affirmation.
(9) Srila Prabhupada, while listening to all these affirmations of poisoning, never attempted to correct them, as he certainly would have done if there had been no poisoning. Srila Prabhupada confirmed their statements with no protest.
(10) Then Tamal poses his final question to Srila Prabhupada re: poisoning, another affirmation.
(11) They spoke about real poisoning cases- Calcutta man poisons his wife, Sankaracharya.
CONCLUSION: By the end of the poison discussions, Srila Prabhupada had still not named who had poisoned him or who told him about it. The discussion is about WHO said there was a poisoning, and it was NOT about IF there was a poisoning. There was no debate about if there was a poisoning. They all clearly acknowledged that Srila Prabhupada spoke of actual, malicious, homicidal poisoning by someone trying to kill him. By an honest examination of the poison discussions, we come to the conclusion that Srila Prabhupada believes he was poisoned.
From the start, he said that his being poisoned was possible, and later on, he solidifies his assertion to the extent that many confirmations of his poisoning are pronounced by those around him. “SOMEONE HAS POISONED ME.”
CHAPTER 9: WHO IS IT THAT HAS POISONED? SECTION EIGHT: THERE MUST BE SOME TRUTH TO IT
TAMAL: Srila Prabhupada, Shastriji says that there must be some truth to it if you say that. So who is it that has poisoned? (then- 13 seconds dead silence- Srila Prabhupada never answers this question)
TAMAL ACKNOWLEDGES THE POISONING Note that Tamal’s question is about WHO DID IT, not if it was done, or who told him. Tamal has now progressed to “Who did it” from his earlier “Who said it.” It has become very clear that Srila Prabhupada believes a poisoning has actually happened, and this is the cause of his “mental distress.”
On Nov. 10, 1977, the transcript clearly shows Tamal and others acknowledged Srila Prabhupada thought he had been poisoned. Yet incredibly, the GBC and Tamal (while still alive) adamantly maintained that Srila Prabhupada said he was not poisoned, and that there is no reason to conduct any further investigation because they already investigated and found nothing to be concerned about!
Although Tamal asserted after 1997 that there was no poisoning, the record shows he thought differently in 1977 when he clearly acknowledged the poisoning. Tamal never asked, “Who is it that has not poisoned?” And he asked this the day after Srila Prabhupada said,“He said like that, not that I am poisoned.” Even if we were to accept that Srila Prabhupada said he was not poisoned (which he did not say), still Tamal himself was so convinced on the NEXT day that he asks Srila Prabhupada who poisoned him. The final position was absolutely clear: There was a poisoning. Who did it?” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories, 1.42)
JD: Two days, two weeks, two years, two centuries, two million years, no matter what, they have no good answer. The GBC are just trying to run out the clock ... and hope all of them are dead and gone before everyone wakes up and asks them real questions.
ReplyDeleteThey are never going to answer, it is all bluff, has been ... all the whole time. We should ignore them and just expose them. Next they will make the committee to investigate the committee committee. We can fall for all that rubbish ... again. Look how well they investigated child abuse ... it is a scam.